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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-02-03

---Logopened Wed Feb 03 00:00:22 2021
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00:02<prg>Okay looks like I wasn't in the right group. Systemd output suggests joining the "systemd-journal" group or the "adm" group, but user journals need the "adm" group and I wasn't in that yet
00:02<prg>Derp
00:04<prg>Actually I guess not - I can read /var/log/user.log, but still can't access any of the user logs through "journalctl --user". This works in bullseye hmm
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00:37<Guest12171>can anyone recommend an lxc image to use for unprivileged containers with debian buster?
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05:08<sobin>Hello, I have some problem in Debian installion. Can I get help here?
05:08<grove>!ask
05:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
05:10<sobin>I have some problem in Debian installion.
05:10<wb9688>What problem?
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05:11<FelixActually>We can't help you if you don't explain what's wrong, sobin :)
05:11<sobin>when it install the kernal, the error occured when it install the linux-image-amd64
05:12<FelixActually>What is the error?
05:13<sobin>an error was returned while trying to install the kernal into the target system
05:13<sobin>this is the error message
05:14<FelixActually>Is there an option to view more details?
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05:15<sobin>it let me to see /var/sys/syslog
05:16<FelixActually>Such a directory doesn't exist. Do you mean /var/log/syslog?
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05:16<sobin>and i see dpkg return an error code (1)
05:16<sobin>yes
05:17<sobin>sorry, it's /var/log/syslog
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05:17<FelixActually>Can you paste the contents of /var/log/syslog at paste.debian.net?
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05:19<alex11>a problem with installation probably means they can't access a graphical web browser for paste.debian.net
05:20<alex11>maybe try cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
05:20<sobin>yes, please wait
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05:21<alex11>that's a really weird error
05:21<alex11>trying to think of why it's having trouble with the kernel
05:22<FelixActually>Maybe the processor is too old to support amd64?
05:23<alex11>'too new' i get... 'too old' would be quite an impressive feat
05:23<alex11>you'd basically have to be using a commodore 64 or something
05:23<FelixActually>You'd be surprised :)
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05:25<u03bb>that's quite hyperbolic statement"< alex11> you'd basically have to be using a commodore 64 or something"
05:25<grove>I remember when amd64 was introduced, that was long after C64's had gone out of fashion. And many processors exist that doesn't support amd64 (and are newer than C64)
05:25<u03bb>yep
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05:26<alex11>i'm exaggerating for effect but it surprises me something can be too old for kernels
05:26<grove>Too new to support amd64 is quite unheard of (unless we're talking different architectures)
05:26<alex11>yeah sobin may be using the wrong image
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05:26<alex11>though it probably doesn't even boot if it's the wrong image
05:27<u03bb>then it's not exactly "too new"
05:27<grove>I don't think the installer would even boot in that case, but I have no experience
05:27<alex11>well they're not back yet so oh well
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05:28<grove>(That's probably not true, I ran Debian on a NAS box that had an arm or something)
05:28<grove>(but it's 15 years back)
05:29<u03bb>debian runs on the ibm 360 mainframe even doesnt it ?
05:29<grove>I believe the architecture is called s390, but is that relevant?
05:30<u03bb>just saying it runs on heaps of archs
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05:31<grove>(It's actually s390x now)
05:34<grove>(and it might have been a mips that was in that NAS box, and historically I've also run Debian on alphas - but in any case the only somewhat plausible explanation that has been offered for the problem we were presented is a processor that is too old, like a 486)
05:36<alex11>honestly chances are sobin is running a derivative and not debian
05:36<u03bb>or a pentium 4
05:36<alex11>who knows
05:36<u03bb>even
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05:42<dreamer>plenty of archs have been dropped though. does the alpha build still exist? :P
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05:52<sobin>hello, I am back
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05:55<sobin>I have problem when I try to install debian on my computer
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05:57<FelixActually>sobin: Still the same problem, right?
05:57<sobin>hello?
05:57<sobin>yes
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05:58<FelixActually>What processor do you have?
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06:00<sobin>CPU? CPU is Intel Core i5
06:01<FelixActually>That's that ruled out then
06:01<FelixActually>Where did you download Debian from?
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06:03<sobin>Offical mirror
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06:04<sobin>http://mirrors.hust.edu.cn/debian-cd/10.7.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
06:04<sobin>from this URL
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06:05<sobin>http://paste.debian.net/1183821/
06:05<sobin>my machine is real computer, so i take a picture...
06:06<FelixActually>Pictures can't be uploaded to paste.debian.net, only text
06:06<sobin>......
06:06<Fraggle2>!paste
06:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
06:06<sobin>How could I copy the message out?
06:07<Fraggle2>you can upload an image elsewhere, see dpkg's message sobin
06:07<sobin>Oh, thanks
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06:08<sobin>https://ibb.co/hdWsnKL
06:09<sobin>as it shows, the error occured when dpkg installed the package 'linux-image-amd64'
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06:10<Fraggle2>that is really, really strange, maybe an corrupted image?
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06:11<sobin>But I have installed it on virtual machine and succeed.
06:11<Fraggle2>or a problem with the installation for you language which has not been reported yet? Which language is this actually? Although I doubt the existence of such an error in the stable installer.
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06:11<demo_>hello
06:11<Fraggle2>sobin: yes, but something might have gone wrong when writing the image to the stick/disk
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06:12<Fraggle2>your cpu is compatible with this kernel image
06:13<sobin>Do I need to tell you my more detailed hardware information?
06:14<sobin>Oh, no. it throw a new error when i retry to install
06:15<sobin>its english mean is: debootstrap exited with code 1
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06:19<sobin>https://ibb.co/SQGSS3f
06:19<sobin>I used english to install again
06:19<sobin>this is the error message
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06:20<sobin>hello?
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06:22<alex11>do you know how to get to virtual console 4?
06:22<alex11>should just be ctrl alt f4
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06:25<alex11>sobin, how did you write the image?
06:25<alex11>that should've been the first thing i (we) asked
06:28<sobin>I use U-disk
06:29<alex11>i'm not sure what u-disk is. were you on windows?
06:29<sobin>UltraISO write iso file to USB-disk
06:30<sobin>https://ibb.co/dDD7pm8
06:30<ach>maybe try livecd to detect hardware error
06:31<alex11>'libgcc1 not found' hmm
06:31<alex11>sobin, as a preliminary thing, you might try to re-write the image, use win32diskimager if you're on windows
06:31<alex11>in addition to ach's suggestion
06:32<sobin>OK
06:32<sobin>use LiveCD is an good idea
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07:00<sobin>https://ibb.co/q1xWdTz
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07:01<sobin>I use win32diskimager to create the image disk. LiveCD installation throw this error
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07:03<muppis>Hello. I stumbled around with sudo a little bit. I copied /etc/sudoers -file to /etc/sudoers.d -directory and after that sudo started complain about nested includes and refused to work at all. I figured my way out from the situation, but I started wondering is this known feature of sudo as it may cause lot of harm in production, if done purposely?
07:05<sobin>https://ibb.co/q1xWdTz I use win32diskimager to create the image disk. LiveCD installation throw this error
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07:05<muppis>I did the copy as I planned to use original file as template.
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07:06<grzesiek11>muppis: files sudoers.d will be included *alongside* with /etc/sudoers
07:06<grzesiek11>so you should just not copy it, or comment out the entire /etc/sudoers
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07:10<sobin>?? Problem resolved?
07:10<sobin>Nice!
07:10<sobin>Thanks a lot!
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07:11<muppis>grzesiek11: I know that. I just didn't realize that "include /etc/sudoers.d" could cause problems when copied under sudoers.d and it raised a question from security view that has it taken a count some one could do harm with doing so?
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07:23<webmind>I ran into this issue again, and it seems like an old thing, but still security nightmare. I'm running debian-stable+mate. When I close my laptop, and open it. It gives a black screen before it gives the unlock screen. During this black screen however, the screen is not locked and I can type stuff in any window that might be open
07:23<webmind>Seems like a massive security flaw right?
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09:15<yathu>Hello, is G-sync implemented in Bullseye yet?
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09:30<Fraggle2>you are talking about this nvidia feature? I think there is only a test driver for Linux available yet.
09:30<Fraggle2>!left
09:30<dpkg>Don't you just hate when a user leaves right in the middle of your writing a reply?
09:30<wb9688>Yes
09:31<wb9688>!right
09:31<dpkg>right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says.
09:31<Fraggle2>:-D
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09:31<Fraggle2>whoever cafuego was.
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09:31<debhead>you guys rock!! keep rocking!! :)
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10:00<deadalnix>I see that ovn-central and ovn-host have been removed from buster onward. What is the new way to do things?
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10:06<grove>Do what? I've never heard of either (and have done plenty of things on Debian for 20+ years)
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10:18<deadalnix>grove, these packages provide serives relates to ovn (virtual network facilities)
10:18<deadalnix>I was wondering if these services where packages somewhere else, or if there was a new way to do things in bullseye
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10:40<Sqrt{not}>deadalnix, it looks like they were part of the openvswitch package, which has versions going forward in bullseye and beyond, but not providing those 2 binary packages, at least at the moment. I only know what I see from the tracker and packages webpages
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10:42<deadalnix>Indeed, they create variosu services attaches to ovn (which is part of openvswitch) features.
10:45<Sqrt{not}>right, the source package https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/openvswitch provides those binaries in buster, but I don't see them in https://packages.debian.org/source/testing/openvswitch
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10:47<Sqrt{not}>the tracker provides a different view of the situation https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openvswitch
10:49<Sqrt{not}>(sorry, I don't know a real answer -- it may be those binaries will return in testing if something needs to get fixed? )
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10:52<deadalnix>Sqrt{not}, thx that's already something
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10:55<deadalnix>zigo, if you are around, some infos would be greatly appreciated.
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12:37<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>hello, i have a question about how to modify a debian/ubuntu live dvd iso image with one midification only: add the "toram" option to always load all contents to RAM - and thus allow for disconnecting the live medium after the X session has loaded fully (and will alos allow for faster access/load times since all apps are running directly from RAM). how do I modify the livedvd iso image to...
12:37<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>...do this?
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12:51<IPFreely>Hi. I'm trying to make a bootable USB from a CD/DVD .iso (https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/nl/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-w-series-laptops/thinkpad-w530/downloads/ds029169) , I tried using dd, unetbootin, etc., no luck.. any help please?
12:52<maxrazer>What iso is it? Debian, Linux?
12:52<IPFreely>It's a bios update from lenovo.
12:52<IPFreely>I'm working on debian, also fedora at hand.
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12:53<IPFreely>The downloaded file is this;
12:53<IPFreely>g5uj39us.iso
12:53<IPFreely>BIOS Update (Bootable CD)
12:54<maxrazer>I think because it is meant to be put on a CD.
12:55<IPFreely>Yeah, and I tried using isohybrid to get around that.. But I'm getting;
12:55<IPFreely>$ isohybrid g5uj39us.iso
12:55<IPFreely>isohybrid: g5uj39us.iso: unexpected boot catalogue parameters
12:56<maxrazer>I've researched the whole hybrid or not thing. I don't remember everything. I know hybrids will boot on USB and maybe most iso's you see are actually hybrid and they don't tell you.
12:56<maxrazer>But, if you ever get one which is not and is truly for CD, maybe old stuff, it may be hard to get it working.
12:57<maxrazer>Have you tried Rufus? https://rufus.ie
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12:58<IPFreely>I suspect this one is one is not hybrid then. Even after dd'ing the iso, there is no files under /dev/sda1
12:58<IPFreely>I didn't try Rufus actually.. yeah, worth a shot
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12:58<maxrazer>I'm not sure if it has an option to make it bootable from non-hyrid or what.
12:58<maxrazer>I was looking for my notes on which application I preferred and worked for me, but couldn't find my notes. I get them confused.
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12:59<maxrazer>I think rufus was the preferred one.
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13:00<IPFreely>Is Rufus only for Windows?
13:00<maxrazer>Etcher was the linux tool.
13:00<Fraggle2>dd is the linux tool
13:00<maxrazer>I think it is only windows. I may have ran it with wine, or booted into windows I don't remember.
13:00<maxrazer>I normally use dd
13:00<IPFreely>Me too
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13:03<maxrazer>I was trying to research the whole iso thing a while back. I believe iso was not meant for usb, but I forget what would actually be appropriate if anything, but whatever it would be is not common.
13:03<IPFreely>Etcher is giving me a warning after selecting the iso;
13:03<maxrazer>It must know that it is not a typical bootable iso.
13:03<maxrazer>For USB. Do you have a CD drive?
13:03<IPFreely>"It looks like this is not a bootable image. The image does not appear to contain a partition table..."
13:04<maxrazer>Yeah, is this an old PC and does it have a CD drive?
13:04<IPFreely>I'm surprised at this because the vendor site and readme suggest that it should be burned to CD/DVD and bootable as such.
13:04<IPFreely>I do have a CD drive yes.
13:04<maxrazer>Yes, it would work. That is different.
13:05<maxrazer>It will boot if copied to a CD, but not USB. USB is not meant for bootable ISO. I think it is a modern hack with images made for that.
13:05<sney>dd works for isos that are built as hybrid images. many linux installers are, but not random vendor stuff. that iso is probably only intended to work with an actual optical disc
13:05<maxrazer>The bootable stuff will be built in when you burn too CD.
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13:05<maxrazer>So, you probably need a CD-R. DVD-R may work too I think.
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13:06<IPFreely>I see. Any practical way around this? Else I will have to buy a CD for this...
13:06<maxrazer>I don't know any way around it. There may be a way I don't know.
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13:06<maxrazer>You may be able to convert it.
13:06<IPFreely>Cool. At least I tried. :)
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13:07<maxrazer>Mount the iso, take the files, create a hybrid etc.
13:07<IPFreely>Well I just wanted to save the hassle of burning a CD, but now this is a bigger hassle.
13:07<maxrazer>You want to try mounting the file and copying the files and figure out how to create a hybrid iso from those files?
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13:07<IPFreely>Is that safe to do? Considering this is a bios update.
13:08<sney>it's probably just freedos with an updater executable
13:08<sney>mount it and look
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13:09<IPFreely>$ sudo mount g5uj39us.iso mounted/
13:09<IPFreely>mount: /home/user/Downloads/mounted: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.
13:09<IPFreely>user@my-new-qube:~/Downloads$ ls mounted/
13:09<IPFreely>user@my-new-qube:~/Downloads$
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13:10<IPFreely>(nothing there)
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13:10<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>if your laptop has a SD-card slot, try using dd to copy onto a SD-card, and try booting from SD-card instead of USB
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13:10<IPFreely>:p
13:10<IPFreely>No files in there.. :/
13:10<Fraggle2>in't it mount -t isofs?
13:11<sney>mount can autodetect. if it was the wrong filesystem type it would error out
13:11<sney>an empty iso suggests maybe the download was borked?
13:11<bmarley83>mount -o loop
13:11<IPFreely>I do get this tho; unknown filesystem type 'isofs'.
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13:11<bmarley83>its mount -o loop
13:11<sney>because it's iso9660 not isofs
13:12<IPFreely>sney: I did sha256sum on it, checked out OK.
13:12<sney>and you do probably need -o loop, though I wouldn't be surprised if mount can autodetect that now too
13:12<Sqrt{not}>I don't know about lenovo, but my Dell ships BIOS updates for my desktop as XXXX.xxxxx.nn.nn.nn.exe files. But if I copy the file to a USB and boot into the maintenance mode, it sees the .exe in the USB drive, and asks if I want to update the BIOS from it
13:12<sney>yeah, newer efis can often update themselves
13:12<bmarley83>uefi should have it built into boios need fat32 formatted usb
13:13<IPFreely>Sqrt{not}: This machine doesn't have any built-in update from the BIOS, that would've worked I suppose.
13:13<Sqrt{not}>yes, it is an old fat usb I use for that
13:13<bmarley83>you need windows otherwise
13:14<bmarley83>if its an exe
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13:14<bmarley83>or am i wrong?
13:14<Sqrt{not}>often those vendor downloads that are xxxxx.exe are really just a self extracting zip file
13:14<IPFreely>$ sudo mount -o loop g5uj39us.iso mounted/
13:14<IPFreely>mount: /home/user/Downloads/mounted: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.
13:14<bmarley83>it worked
13:14<IPFreely>Again, nothin in it though.
13:14<bmarley83>now its mounted
13:15<bmarley83>can you send me a link?
13:15<IPFreely>https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/nl/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-w-series-laptops/thinkpad-w530/downloads/ds029169
13:16<IPFreely>bmarley83: There is an .exe - I'm trying not to use it, or windows, and below it is a .iso (bootable CD)
13:17<Fraggle2>weird, the iso is really empty
13:17<sney>lol gj lenovo
13:17<Fraggle2>copy protection</paranoia>
13:18<Fraggle2>more of a usage protection...
13:18<IPFreely>Could it be some security feature to protect the code?
13:19<bmarley83>why cant you burn it to usb are you using conv=sync during dd?
13:20<IPFreely>Is that the same as &&sync at the end?
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13:21<IPFreely>When I burned with dd, the device showed up as 33MB (size of the iso) instead of the actual 2GB. Mounts fine, but no contents. Gparted shows no boot flag nor partition table.
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13:22<maxrazer>Could it be some proprietary file system to hide the data?
13:23<maxrazer>Also, do sd cards share the same bootable features like a CD and unlike a USB?
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13:25<maxrazer>Trying to get these older PC's working can be a lot of trouble. You may want to just get something newer.
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13:27<IPFreely>And do without this Intel i7-3840 with ME neutered... My paranoia won't let me go beyond 3rd gen CPU. :)
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13:28<IPFreely>Well, first I want to stock-upgrade the BIOS - in order to update the EC - and then comes coreboot.
13:28<blast007>Fraggle2: that ISO isn't really that empty. The contents is just mostly a boot image, which won't show up as "files" if you look at the mounted ISO, and contains IBM PC DOS 6.0 plus the BIOS file.
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13:29<Fraggle2>OK
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13:39<bmarley83>can anyone help me delete my user mail, its driving me mad
13:39<bmarley83>i type mail, then d* then q and its all still there everytime
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13:40<bmarley83>delete* delete * delete 1-25 always exiting with q or quit but it wont go away
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13:44<debhead>bmarley83: sudo rm -r /var/mail/<username>
13:45<bmarley83>yeah but why doesnt the command work?
13:45<bmarley83>it should work
13:45<bmarley83>has worked before but now it wont
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13:49<zigo>deadalnix_: There's currently no OVN support in Bullseye, because I had no time to work on it...
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13:50<zigo>Someone could look at the packages from Ubuntu and contribute it.
13:50<zigo>But it's already too late for Bullseye.
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13:53<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>hello, i have a question about how to modify a debian/ubuntu live dvd iso image with one modification only: add the "toram" option to always load all contents to RAM - and thus allow for disconnecting the live medium after the X session has loaded fully (and will alos allow for faster access/load times since all apps are running directly from RAM). how do I modify the livedvd iso image to...
13:53<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>...do this?
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13:56<deadalnix_>dude, you just asked that question
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13:57<deadalnix_>zigo, :( I understand, it's unfortunate, though.
13:58<bmarley83>deadanix do you know why mail is not deleting
13:58<bmarley83>deadalnix do you know why mail is not deleting
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13:58<maxrazer>You can try asking in #debian-live or see the other options here: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/
13:59<xormor>bmarley83: sudo rm -rf /var/mail/<username>
13:59<bmarley83>yeah i know that works by why doesnt the functionality in the program work?
14:01<deadalnix_>BTW, zigo thank for all your work!
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14:01<maxrazer>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: Check out #debian-live and these resources for support: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/
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14:03<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>right, but i'm looking for a quick command-line tool to modify files within iso files (like the grub configuration) to add the "toram" option - so, my question is not specific to debian/ubuntu iso images , but rather to all linux bootable isos
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14:08<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>if that is not possible, then if its possible to mount a live-dvd iso file read-write, modify the grub configuration - and then unmount it - is this possible?
14:08<deadalnix>you can put isos on usb drive and modify from there
14:08<deadalnix>you can also mount isos, but idk if you can modify this this way
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14:10<avu>AFAIK, iso9669 filesystems are never writeable, the fs is not built for it
14:10<avu>so if you "put isos on usb drive and modify from there" as you say, you likely mean copying to contents to another fs before modifying
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14:13<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>so, once i use dd to copy the live-dvd image onto a usb-drive/sd-card, i then mount that partition read-write, modify the grub configruation (with the "toram" option), save and then unmount - will that work - in other words, will the resulting usb-drive/sd-card still be bootable live?
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14:15<avu>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: as I said, I don't think you can write on iso9660 filesystems, no matter what medium they're on
14:15<avu>if it would work on a usb drive, it would work with -oloop
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14:29<Sqrt{not}>IPFreely, I assume you did it right, but just to be sure: did you do "dd g5uj39us.iso /dev/sdc" as opposed to "dd g5uj39us.iso /dev/sdc1" ?
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14:48<IPFreely>Sqrt{not}: That's correct.
14:50<IPFreely>And the GUI tools didn't solve it either. Eventually I installed windows and ran the executable.
14:51<maxrazer>The executable can flash the bios from windows?
14:51<maxrazer>Can the executable run with wine from linux?
14:51<towo`>no
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15:00<Sqrt{not}>I have a supply of re-writable "RW" DVD stock, that I use for booting live systems on an old,old PC here that can't boot USB .. (and for watching videos on the old,old TV in the basement)
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15:04<maxrazer>Yeah, I was thinking have a cd/dvd RW disc(s) would be good for an old PC instead of just a usb flash drive.
15:05<sney>I bought a spindle of CDRs and a spindle of DVDRs in, oh, 2013 or so, expecting them to be a 1-2 year supply. still got both
15:06<maxrazer>I got a 100 spindle of DVD+R discs over 10 years ago and still have well over half of them. I used almost none until recently when I got a DVD drive.
15:07<maxrazer>I wasn't really expecting to use them, but I had a new PC back then with an optical drive so thought I should have them.
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15:07<sney>it was amazing how quickly burning optical media went from a common, everyday thing in IT, to practically unheard of
15:07<maxrazer>I'll post more in #debian-offtopic if I have more to say about that.
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15:13<chillysurfer>quick question regarding debian packaging. does the package maintainer sign the package with their pgp key? but wouldn't the package needed to be signed by a debian key that is recognized by everybody's apt?
15:14<chillysurfer>i guess the better way to ask is... how does package/file signing come into play with debian packaging (and pushing to repos)?
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15:14<imMute>chillysurfer: the maintainer signs it so that the archive software will accept it and process the package.
15:15<chillysurfer>imMute: thanks for the answer! so the archive software then has to sign it right?
15:15<imMute>chillysurfer: when the repo is published, the index files are signed by the FTP keypair (which is what apt verifies against)
15:15<chillysurfer>imMute: ahhhh ok that makes sense
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15:15<chillysurfer>imMute: when you say the maintainer signs it, which files are they signing? just the .dsc and .changes files?
15:16<imMute>I'm not sure exactly, but that sounds right.
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15:17<chillysurfer>imMute: thanks for the info!
15:17<IPFreely><maxrazer> The executable can flash the bios from windows? - Yes. It then reboots and does the flashing at POST.
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15:18<sney>chillysurfer: see man debsign
15:18<chillysurfer>sney: ah that's good info. thanks for the pointer
15:18<maxrazer>I don't know what that POST is exactly or how it does that. Maybe it changes the boot loader from windows to include the bios.
15:19<sney>probably loads the update into some flash that automatically triggers the update at power-on
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15:20<IPFreely>It did considerable computing in windows, then also considerable flashing after reboot at bios. Rebooted automatically 2-3 times.
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15:22<IPFreely>You could be right, maybe the boot loader. It just looked a lot like a bios/POST screen.
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16:59<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>hey, so supposing you have a swapfile located in one disk that is currently in use. Then you create another swap file/partition on another disk. Can you enable the newly-created swap, and then swapoff the old-swap - will it simply transfer the contents from the old-swap to the new-swap?
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17:00<sarnold>excellent question
17:01<sarnold>my guess is no, it probably goes through something a lot more complicated
17:02<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>right, i really dont care what it does - i'm only interested in knowing that it is safe to do - that it wont crash/panic the kernel.
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17:04<sarnold>I think there's a small risk of one of your processes triggering the OOM killer, but I'd say it's *very* small
17:04<sarnold>the kernel itself shouldn't care, none of its memory is swappable
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17:05<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>right, i'm swapoff the old-swap *only after* I swapon the new-swap ... i figure that's safer, although OOM killer is still a possibility...
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17:06<sarnold>how much of your swap space is actually in use? how much memory do you have, how much is cached?
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17:07<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>192GB phsycial - but waterfox and sedamonkey are using ~30GB each
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17:12<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>although the 192GB is quite misleading - its dual socket - so , 96 per physical processor
17:12<sarnold>hmm, those *are* big blobs, but probably the amount of memory marked with mprotect is much smaller
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18:22<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>so i'm in swapoff now... and its been running for a few minutes... i'm starting to worry
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18:26<sarnold>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: cripes, how much was swapped? :)
18:27<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>well, there was 24GiB of swap in use... and i's not done yet... 5+minutes now
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18:27<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>it was on a USB3 disk - bad idea since usb gets boggled down easy when in use
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18:28<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>and disconnection would lead to kernel panic
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18:28<mimkykelly>Hello
18:28<sarnold>oh maaaaaaan. no wonder you wanted to do this :)
18:29<mimkykelly>im new here
18:29<sarnold>what does vmstat 1 report for the si/so/bi/bo columns?
18:29<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>yeah switching over from usb3 to nvme3.0 - big performance improvement...
18:29<sarnold>welcome mimkykelly
18:29<mimkykelly>thx
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18:30<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>vmstat reports : "1 4 5466 2716"
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18:30<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>before i did the sapoff
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18:33<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>is that bad?
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18:36<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>still running with no end in sight.....
18:36<sney>it's a lot of memory pages to shuffle around. give it time.
18:37<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>but it kind of makes sense since usb3 is also being bogged down in other file transers that i'm doing
18:37<blast007>even a couple GB of swap on a SATA3 SSD can take several minutes to clear out when I swapoff
18:38<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>ok, good to know ... so i should expect this to take more than an hour then
18:38<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>i wish it showed a progress bar or progress of sometype
18:39<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>add that as a bug to mkswap
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18:39<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>or swapoff rather
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18:40<sney>it's not a bug for huge i/o to take a long time over usb
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18:41<sney>linux will probably manage your weird edge case if you have patience, but a progress bar for swapon/swapoff is not a thing that needs to exist for the vast majority of systems
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18:42<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>no, i meant the bug was not showing a progress bar
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18:44<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>(anything that takes more than 10 seconds to complete should show a progress bar of some type - user-interface design guideline)
18:45<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>and there's no output in the dmesg log indicating the gprogress either
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18:49<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>btw, the reason I finally had to do this is because, when I started doing other USB3 file transfers, emacs would start stalling on me for long periods of time... (even after I pressed C-g multiple times) making, working very frustrating... so, yes enablign swap on a usb3 device was a very stupid idea.
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20:01<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>so, swapoff did finally complete - but it took more than 1.5 hours to complete, and it froze my system for about a minute at the very end, before the machine started to respond again... but was well worth it.. my swap is exclusively on the NVMe and not on the USB3 anymore :-)
20:02<sarnold>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: is your swapoff done yet? I had an idea while out for a walk that drop_caches *might* help speed it up
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20:02<sarnold>hah
20:02<sarnold>that's crazy timing
20:02<sarnold>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: are there any ooms in dmesg?
20:02<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>yeah its karma
20:04<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>no, so does that mean nothing has been killed?
20:04<sarnold>yay! :)
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20:05<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>the linux kernel is designed and engineered by real pros - so i'm not surprised in that sense...
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20:07<KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV>but i still think some1 should file a bug-report for swapoff not showing any progress - at the very least there should be progress output in dmesg if nothing else
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20:11<sarnold>KWqpk8hcYaS4nl7vgCwr3wV: I haven't checked but I'd expect /proc/swaps to show the correct amount in a swap device even during swapoff events
20:11<sarnold>(I never have enough in swap for a manual swapoff to take more than a few seconds anyway :)
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21:29<lol>hi
21:30<lol>I have had an issue with debian for some time, I think a year at least, I can't seem to be able to disable automatic updates check
21:31<lol>disabling them through the GUI is useless ofc
21:31<lol>I tried with gsettings but didn't work
21:33<lol>does anyone has any idea what I could be missing?
21:33<sarnold>is unattended-upgrades installed?
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21:34<lol>just checked, yeah... didn't know this was a thing
21:36<lol>thanks man I guess this was it... the description of the package talks about automatically installing, not checking, though
21:36<sarnold>lol: next thing to check: systemctl list-timers '*apt*'
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21:36<sarnold>I know unattended-upgrades really only in the context of ubuntu, where it's configured to install security updates by default, not all updates
21:37<sarnold>so it's possible it might look like it's just downloading lists overnight, when it might *also* install security updates if those are available
21:37<sarnold>but I don't know how it's configured to work in debian
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21:38<lol>sarnold: if I run that command it shows 2 timers
21:38<lol>are those the times apt is supposed to update?
21:39<lol>and if yes, what program is making it do this?
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21:41<lol>I mean, is it apt itself that set those timers?
21:42<sarnold>lol: systemd timers are a lot like crontab entries; check "systemctl show apt-daily.timer" to get information on the timer -- it'll include a note about apt-daily.service; systemct cat apt-daily.service will show the file that it executes..
21:42<sarnold>yes
21:42<sarnold>/usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily can do a *ton* of things, and you can enable/disable them with apt configuration things..
21:42<sarnold>edit that script to get a feeling of what it does
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21:44<lol>ok thanks a lot, sarnold
21:45<lol>actually I suspected it was systemd-related, even if I'm clearly not knowledgeable about this stuff, but it felt like a relatively new part of the system was overriding the normal settings, if this makes sense
21:46<sarnold>there's a similar crontab entry installed in /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat -- so even on systems without systemd, this would run daily
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21:48<lol>I see, but in the years before I think disabling the automatic checks through the gui was enough
21:48<lol>or maybe I just didn't notice it
21:48<sarnold>ah! I see what you mean. I've never had enough of a gui installed to know, sorry
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21:57<awal1>!unattended-upgrades
21:57<dpkg>somebody said unattended-upgrades was a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
21:58<awal1>lol, i guess that if you just remove the pkg unattended-upgrades that will solve your problem if that is what you want
21:58<lol>I did it but the timers are still there
21:58<lol>but now I was looking at apt.systemd.daily
21:59<lol>and it seems like the variable I should look at is APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists
21:59<lol>but it looks like the checks are already disabled
22:00<awal1>you can start reading about all that checking https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
22:01<awal1>i don't have the pkg installed, so clueless
22:01<sarnold>awal1: well, that's the thing, these timers / cronjobs from apt are separate from unattended-upgrades and might *also* be something that lol is trying to disable
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22:06<awal1>lol, sarnold, " systemctl disable apt-daily-upgrade.service apt-daily.service " maybe?
22:07<lol>yeah I don't know if unattended-upgrades was the issue, doesn't seem so, but the wiki page you linked as a little more info on how to interact with this timers so I'm getting to understand this thing better
22:07<awal1>+ " systemctl disable apt-daily-upgrade.timer apt-daily.timer "
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22:09<sarnold>awal1: that might disable other housekeeping functions that lol might want; it'd certainly help stop a source of updates :)
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22:10<awal1>sarnold, clueless here :)
22:10<awal1>lol, btw, why do you want to disable those stuff?
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22:13<lol>I've tried to run the last command, the timer is still listed as "active" but is "disabled" when I use the status command, maybe this was it? I have to read more about it anyway
22:13<lol>I want to disable automatic apt jobs
22:14<lol>since I don't forget to do manual checks anyways
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22:14<lol>but I have no idea what kind of housekeeping activities sarnold could be referring to
22:15<lol>if I run "systemctl list-timers '*apt*'" one timer is still there though, don't know where the other one went
22:16<sarnold>lol: the comment at the top of /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily describes at least some of the things it does
22:16<sarnold>apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean, a whole bunch of 'backup' stuff that's entirely new to me..
22:16<lol>awal1: I think I need to learn to use apt.systemd.daily but your advice maybe has fixed the problem thank you
22:17<awal1>lol, what i told you are just suggestions; just apply after reading, if tat doesn't have negative effect over other system stuff
22:18<lol>sarnold: I don't want you to teach me how to use all the options, but help me just with this one, just to be sure
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22:18<lol>at the top I read this:
22:18<lol>APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";
22:18<lol>- Do "apt-get update" automatically every n-days (0=disable)
22:18<lol>this is commented ofc
22:18<lol>while in the uncommented area of the file I see:
22:19<lol>UpdateInterval=0
22:19<lol>eval $(apt-config shell UpdateInterval APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists)
22:19<lol>so that option is disabled, right?
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22:26<awal1>lol, thhere is also #debian-apt
22:26<awal1>...
22:26<sarnold>it's a bit more about development *of* apt than how to use apt
22:26<awal1>ah, ok
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22:37<lol>oh I see I had to do stop and then disable, now there are no timers
22:37<lol>I just have to understand if I need the apt-daily.timer for anything else
22:38<lol>but I don't think so since I was already doing apt autoclean manually
22:39<lol>and from what I see I didn't have other automated jobs
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22:42<awal1>well, i guess you upgrade manually regularly...
22:42<awal1>that is important if you disable automated upgrades...
22:42<lol>yeah I was already doing it
22:42<lol>I swear it!
22:42<lol>lol
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22:43<awal1>:)
22:43<awal1>bcoz if you don't do, sarnold will be seriously angry :P
22:43<lol>that's why it took me a lot of time to realize it was doing automatic checks by itself
22:44<lol>plus, it actually feels good to update your system
22:44<sarnold>:D
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