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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-02-04

---Logopened Thu Feb 04 00:00:24 2021
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00:05<ionkv>Hello
00:06<ionkv>I want to contribute in debian. Is there any rust based project in debian so I can try on ?
00:07<ionkv>I have little bit experience in rust and gtk4
00:07<anix>in what way do you want to contribute?
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00:08<ionkv>anything that helps debian community, I'm also open to learn new things
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00:11<anix>yes, it's not easy to help the debian project, I would be interested in that too. but who knows how debian is coordinated?
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00:14<themill>You don't need to know anything about how debian is coordinated to look at any of the thousands of bugs that exist in the packages that you are interested in and send a patch that fixes them.
00:14<themill>(also, Debian is not coordianted)
00:15<ionkv>would you guide me to get into any rust based project ?
00:18<anix>is there a way to follow the progress of a package? i.e. does debian have something equivalent to an issue tracker or a general/meta discussion? e.g. that explains what you need to do to contribute?
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00:22<anix>ionkv: maybe try following the alacrity project?
00:22<anix>its a rust terminal emulator
00:23<ionkv>I can't find it on debian salsa
00:24<anix>i dont think its packaged yet
00:24<anix>that's why I thought it might need contributers
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00:26<ionkv>okey.. I will try there is cargo-deb for rust packaging, right ? Should I package it use cargo-deb or other way ?
00:27<anix>I think there is a mailing list for proposing packages - I think the initialism debian uses is "ITP" - "intent to package"
00:30<anix>but debian prob won't accept you as a maintainer - you need a "sponsor"
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00:32<ionkv>:(
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00:34<anix>how does debain use the salsa/gitlab instance?
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00:39<anix>do they version control the debian source-packages there?
00:39<anix>does debian use salsa exclusively - or do they have source on other platforms too?
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05:12<EmleyMoor>I am trying to run a tar job under a cpulimit of 25, but if I don't specify the -f parameter it seems to be trying to run ahead of itself, and if I do specify it, it doesn't seem to go at all. How do I proceed?
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05:17<EmleyMoor>Ah, no, I think I had a stale lockfile. I'll see now...
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05:17<diogenes_oftc>EmleyMoor, beeter to: systemd-run -p CPUQuota=25% --scope tarjob
05:18<diogenes_oftc>better*
05:19<EmleyMoor>diogenes_oftc: Unfortunately I am not sure I will ever agree that involving systemd is better. However: (a) would that cover compress programs the tar invokes too? (b) Is there any problem using this in a shell script? If (a) yes (b) no, I might give it a try.
05:20<EmleyMoor>I am still not certain the cpulimit will solve my problem, though
05:21<EmleyMoor>(still getting rather hot!)
05:23<diogenes_oftc>man systemd-run will answer your questions, it works better than cpulimit and more reliable.
05:23<jm_>it probably will as it uses cgroups
05:24<EmleyMoor>diogenes_oftc: Of course, if you can clear that up, I can modify the script if my machine overheats. man *might* merely add to my problems
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05:32<EmleyMoor>I will try the systemd-run thing either "on fail" or "next month"
05:32<EmleyMoor>As it is, it seems my system is stable enough for now
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06:36<Y4KL>hi there, i need help pinpointing a weird problem: i use debian 10 on an x220, no DE, just a window manager. Today i noticed that i can not change/toggle Volume or toggle the internal mic. I use pulseaudio and xbindkeys to issue pactl-commands to talk to pulse via the volume-keys. In pavucontrol i was able to toggle the mic etc. I logged out and back in, now pulseaudio was not running (usually gets started without the need for action, i guess by systemd?). I ran
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06:39<joaquinito2051>wRAR I can compile sources packages from DVD???
06:39<joaquinito2051>I can compile sources packages from DVD???
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06:40<azeem>joaquinito2051: which DVD?
06:41<joaquinito2051>azeem Debian 10.
06:42<azeem>if the DVD contains the sources, and you have a development environment, you can compile the sources, yes
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06:43<joaquinito2051>azeem So, if the DVD contains the sources, so, i can compile the sources???
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06:43<joaquinito2051>azeem Yes or no???
06:44<azeem>see my above answer
06:44<joaquinito2051>azeem I can do it without internet???
06:44<azeem>I don't know whether you can compile it, but it is possible in general
06:44<azeem>you didn't mention that constraint so far
06:44<jhutchins>joaquinito2051: Why?
06:44<joaquinito2051>azeem Please, invite wRAR to this channel.
06:44<azeem>no
06:45<joaquinito2051>azeem Why???
06:45<azeem>joaquinito2051: this is not a chat channel
06:45<joaquinito2051>azeem I can install packages and compile sources without internet from DVD???
06:46<jhutchins>joaquinito2051: Why?
06:46<azeem>if the build-essential packages and the build-dependencies are also available on the DVD, sure
06:46<jhutchins>azeem: Sry.
06:46<azeem>joaquinito2051: did you try?
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06:47<joaquinito2051>azeem build-essential is available in DVD. And i can install packages without internet from DVD???
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06:47<Mister00X>joaquinito2051: in general you can provide dvds as sources for binarys too
06:48<joaquinito2051>Mister00X I need to become a op.
06:49<olasd>no, you definitely don't
06:50<joaquinito2051>olasd Why???
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06:50<joaquinito2051>olasd Op, but not ban to me.
06:51<@olasd>joaquinito2051: please avoid wasting our contributors' time, and you'll be fine
06:51<joaquinito2051>olasd Sorry.
06:52<joaquinito2051>olasd Sorry, do not ban to me, and remove you op.
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06:54<@olasd>I'll deop when I feel it's appropriate, don't worry too much for me :)
06:54<joaquinito2051>Bye.
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06:59<xormor>does anybody anymore play omega-rpg the role playing game? I want to find out, because I am thinking of publishing bug fixes to it and putting the fixes into the repo's: both the binary and the source code repo.
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07:00<xormor>I have done the bug fix privately and I published the source code online, but am not certain if anybody still plays the game or uses my source code?
07:00<xormor>omega-rpg is an orphaned package in Debian GNU.
07:03<@olasd>xormor: our popularity contets shows some installations of the game: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=omega-rpg; now whether that converts into actual users, we can't really tell
07:03<@olasd>(popcon is opt-in and the usage statistics are... let's say very inaccurate)
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07:55<xormor>olasd: the fixes to make Omega (from the orphaned package omega-rpg) more playable are simple: add dataprint(); to guild2.c after the hp.current = hp.max and add your own user to the "games" group, and "sudo chown root.games /var/games/omega-rpg". but I guess I am the only one currently playing the game. The original source code is from 1987 and it was developed during the 1990's, and in the 2000's the
07:55<xormor>source code and the game became largely abandoned.
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08:05<bremner>xormor: you could send a patch with reportbug
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08:05<xormor>bremner: yes.
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08:18<xormor>bremner: the technology of the game is outdated, and it can be fairly well said that it is a "Nethack clone". But the thing is - the basic version of the game runs in a terminal - either colored or without color, and it does not require any special hardware. The original version was in some UNIX-like system, and the source code can be compiled in Debian, as well as MS-DOS that very rarely is used nowadays.
08:18<xormor>The binary package in the Debian repo is of course the GNU/Linux version. The source is very generic and can be adapted to almost any kind of text user interface. Character graphics, a roguelike. I would rather not start maintaining the project with my e-mail address. I would rather contribute. Guus Sliepen abandoned (orphaned) omega-rpg in 2020. The code is C. I can read and change the code easily.
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08:44<bremner>xormor: unfortunately orphaned packages are not likely to see anything beyond critical bugs (like not building) fixed, and eventually people just lose patience and remove them from Debian
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08:47<olasd>and, unfortunately (bis) maintaining a package in Debian requires the use of an email address
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08:50<xormor>olasd: what if I use my e-mail address friberg.lauri@gmail.com?
08:50<olasd>any email address will do, as long as it reaches you
08:50<olasd>(and you don't mind it being on display on the open internet)
08:51<xormor>olasd: maybe I should create a special e-mail address just for maintaining the package.
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08:52<olasd>yeah, some people choose to have/create an email address specifically for their debian contributions
08:53<xormor>olasd: if no one else save me plays the game, maybe I should just take backups of the game and keep it to myself. the license is still LGPL, unless Laurence Raphael Brothers decides to revoke it and take the copyright solely to himself.
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08:54<olasd>up to you; maintaining software you care about is definitely one of the best ways you can get motivated to start contributing to Debian, but there's certainly no obligation!
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09:17<bentham>Is there any way to access IPv6 port numbers of netfilter traffic in systemtap?
09:17<bentham>I'm using netfilter.ip.local_out, although it seems that for IPv6 I get nothing.
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09:18<bentham>(I mean, I get addresses but zero for the port numbers)
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09:32<xormor>so if I took the omega-rpg orphaned project to myself, how would I make sure that no one used my privileges to send trash to the repos?
09:34<xormor>by trash I mean random ones and zeros, Trojans, virii, indecent images, copyrighted proprietary content etc.
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09:39<avu>what privileges are you talking about? You won't be granted any special privileges just because you send a patch using reportbug
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09:53<user01>hi i have a 3rd projector display attached to my dock and when i turn it off sometimes my 2nd display disappears as a screen option to select in "Display". . . is there a way to reset the displays so it reappears?
09:53<user01>instead of rebooting?
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10:52<Sqrt{not}>user01, what dock exactly? how connected? what DE or WM are you using? What "Display" program are you referencing? give us more info please
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10:59<user01>Sqrt{not}, im using xfce, and settings-->display
10:59<user01>xfce 4.12
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11:00<user01>Sqrt{not}, it just says "Display" when i open it
11:00<user01>Sqrt{not}, no version info
11:01<user01>Sqrt{not}, using a thinkpad dock
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11:04<user01>Sqrt{not}, this dock https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Thunderbolt-40AN0135US-Capability/dp/B07M6S81CM/ref=pd_lpo_147_t_1/132-3479509-5653617?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07M6S81CM&pd_rd_r=d5deddc9-cc3e-4935-99b8-c7975076656f&pd_rd_w=QFL0d&pd_rd_wg=GHkH1&pf_rd_p=16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&pf_rd_r=YYZS3GGS6W3PD02W66BX&psc=1&refRID=YYZS3GGS6W3PD02W66BX
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11:25<user01>Sqrt{not}, need any more information or you still cant figure it out even with it?
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11:33<bumb1ing>I wrote as script that toggles my local development server on and off as root, but the sound portion does not work. It starts as a normal user, then pkexecs to root and does everything perfectly. I used mpg123 to play an mp3 which uses alsa - but I hear nothing. anyone happen to know why?
11:34<bumb1ing>jack server is not running or cannot be started JackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock JackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock Segmentation fault
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14:54<deptrai>First time I ever had a uefi/secure-boot machine, came with windows pre-installed, want to install debian-testing, did some reading but confused: am I better disabling secure-boot or letting debian-installer automatically handle it as it sees fit?
14:55<Sqrt{not}>not necessary to disable it, the installer is fine either way
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14:57<Sqrt{not}>(The old version of the install manual says to disable it, but that is obsolete now, and fixed in new edition of the manual)
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14:57<deptrai>Sqrt{not}: ok, thanks!
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14:58<deptrai>Next question, I want to wipe windows, replace with Debian, should I blast the partitions prior to install or let the installer? And which partitions to delete, there's two ntfs partitions, an efi, and some "microsoft reserved" one.
14:59<deptrai>I guess leave the efi intact and delete the other three partitions, then run the installer.
14:59<Sqrt{not}>maybe keep the efi, but the installer can re-do all of them, not necessary to wipe in advance
15:00<deptrai>Sqrt{not}: ah OK, thanks so much, that's what I figured. You've been very helpful. It's a whole new world for me, this UEFI. :-)
15:00<sarnold>deptrai: it might be worth keeping a copy of the thing first in case you need to debug / troubleshoot / send it back to the factory or something
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15:01<deptrai>sarnold: yeah, I copied the heck out of it already, booted to systemrescuecd then dd'd the entire disk over ssh, saved the complete disk image to another machine, then each partition individually again just to be sure.
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15:03<deptrai>I guess that restoring the whole disk image would let it boot back up into the factory install, I hope they don't store some crazy stuff in non-volatile storage somewhere on the motherboard that would let it know that it had been booted to an alternate OS. ;-p
15:03<sarnold>deptrai: excellent :)
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16:20<boud>Does someone know if the old debian home page is still available? If yes, then what's the URL? <rant>/me moans about making the home page too fashionable and less useful after having read absolutely none of the debate about updating the page</rant>
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16:21<boud>https://www.debian.org/devel/ looks sort of like the old page :)
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16:23<epigon>hello, i'm running debian testing with gnome on a laptop, and i've noticed that tracker-miner-fs keeps restarting tracker-extract every 10 seconds or so. tracker-extract keeps exiting with a 'succeeded' message, and as far as i can see no new data is added to the tracker store. i don't think i'm downloading anything or continuously writing to any file that tracker-miner-fs is watching.
16:23<epigon>any idea what it could be? is there any way to get tracker-miner-fs to log _why_ it's requesting tracker-extract to run?
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16:48<sney>boud: nope, that's the only homepage currently. constructive feedback can be sent to the debian-www@lists.debian.org mailing list, we don't deal with the website much in here.
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16:52<hoonetorg>hi, buildah does not install on bullseye testing anymore. See http://paste.debian.net/1184079
16:54<hoonetorg>for sure after "apt update" ;)
16:54<sney>hoonetorg: as you can see from the topic, testing support is in #debian-next, though this is a common-ish situation on testing/unstable due to the frequency of uploads
16:56<sney>it looks like there was a new upload to sid only a few days ago, so if you were using a testing-unstable mix it could probably install now. or you can wait. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/golang-github-containers-buildah
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17:12<hoonetorg>sney thx. i will wait for the package to arrive in testing
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17:54<deptrai>Sqrt{not},sarnold: thanks for your kind help: I've now got a new install of debian-testing going on my first UEFI laptop, w/o any special prep to the disk, and you were right, debian-installer "just worked"! :-)
17:55<sarnold>deptrai: sweet :)
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18:54<Sqrt{not}>deptrai, OK, good job :)
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19:25<johnc>hello?
19:25<johnc>so this is irc huh
19:25<sarnold>yup
19:25<johnc>cool
19:25<Unit193>If not I'm pretty lost right now.
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19:47<johnc>is it true that discord has censorship?
19:47<johnc>ive heard about it but never experienced it
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19:48<sney>that's more a topic for #debian-offtopic, this is intended as a support channel for debian users
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19:49<johnc>oh thank you!
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20:55<battaglin>hi
20:57<Sqrt{not}>hi battaglin
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21:04<battaglin>debian 11 gonna be released 1st half of 2021 ?=
21:04<battaglin>any estimates..
21:06<dvs>probably not
21:06<dvs>!wwbr
21:06<dpkg>methinks wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready."
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21:20<alex11>not before june at the very least
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21:26<sney>The buster freeze was ~6 months, the stretch freeze was ~7 months, the jessie freeze was ~6 months, barring anything weird happening we're probably in for a similar length for bullseye
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23:40-!-wallacer_ is "wallace" on #mobian #osm-ru #bcache #olga #ceph #Qubes_OS #C #badgeteam #ceph-devel #virt #freedombox #debian #qemu #oftc #debian-xfce #alpine-linux #bcachefs #mm #llvm #debian-next
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23:50-!-wallacer [~quassel@2001:bc8:1824:9a:cafe:babe:b00b:aa01] has joined #debian
23:50-!-wallacer is "wallace" on #mobian #osm-ru #bcache #olga #ceph #Qubes_OS #C #badgeteam #ceph-devel #virt #freedombox #debian #qemu #oftc #debian-xfce #alpine-linux #bcachefs #mm #llvm #debian-next
23:50-!-wallacer_ [~quassel@2001:bc8:1824:9a:cafe:babe:b00b:aa01] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
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23:51-!-depX is "anubhav" on @#kde #debian
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23:54-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
23:56-!-hybridwipe [~null@cpe-173-174-98-162.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
23:56-!-hybridwipe is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #msys2 #msys2-ci #qemu #llvm #llvmlinux
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