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| 00:15 | <sazamoracl> | Hi it is possible to encrypt a ' in use' /home partition, so password should be required before mounting next boot ? or its only possible when installing the systems? thanks. |
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| 00:17 | <milkt> | sazamoracl: probably you will need to encrypt it somehow after unmounting it, or you can try ecryptfs |
| 00:19 | <sazamoracl> | I'm able to boot without mounting /home partition ? |
| 00:20 | <milkt> | maybe with external bootable device? or maybe possible without other device but i do not know well |
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| 00:21 | <sazamoracl> | Ok, I'll try it. Thanks !! |
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| 00:43 | <shreeya> | Hi Everyone |
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| 00:43 | <shreeya> | I am using dell XPS 15 9500 |
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| 00:44 | <shreeya> | I am trying to install debian but it just keeps on getting stuck at no ethernet card detected. |
| 00:45 | <shreeya> | For your information, XPS 15 doesn't have ethernet port embedded into the system |
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| 00:45 | <shreeya> | it has an external adaptor which needs to be connected |
| 00:45 | <shreeya> | I have tried all types of debian images but nothing works |
| 00:46 | <shreeya> | Can you please help me with this issue? |
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| 01:01 | <jmcnaught> | shreeya: cannot use networking at all during installation? |
| 01:03 | <jmcnaught> | shreeya: that looks like a fairly recent model, released after Debian 10/buster was. Using a large ISO image with lots of packages on it will help you get things installed, like this one perhaps: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:03 | <shreeya> | Yes, it doesn't let me go forward or backword to console |
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| 01:03 | <shreeya> | I have to force shutdown |
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| 01:04 | <jmcnaught> | shreeya: have you tried a testing/bullseye installer? With the newer kernel your computer's hardware might be better supported. |
| 01:04 | <shreeya> | I did use this image as well |
| 01:04 | <shreeya> | but no luck |
| 01:05 | <milkt> | shreeya: i think you can choose go back menu then it let you to skip configuring network |
| 01:05 | <milkt> | i always install debian with netinst iso without internet |
| 01:06 | <jmcnaught> | You could also look at tty4 for any errors when this happens. |
| 01:07 | <shreeya> | milkt: it doesn't let me skip network configuration |
| 01:07 | <milkt> | shreeya: which installer are you using? |
| 01:09 | <shreeya> | I tried latest stable release, testing image, netinst image |
| 01:09 | <shreeya> | also non free firmware image |
| 01:10 | <milkt> | pretty sure that you can skip it, i'll make bootable disk and actually try again now |
| 01:13 | <milkt> | which install option do you choose in installer by the way? |
| 01:13 | <shreeya> | graphical install |
| 01:13 | <milkt> | graphical install? install? or something else? |
| 01:14 | <milkt> | in "detect network hardware" section now |
| 01:14 | <shreeya> | great |
| 01:15 | <milkt> | i select "no ethernet card" then hit "continue" button |
| 01:15 | <milkt> | then it says "no network interface detected", then i choose "go back" button |
| 01:15 | <shreeya> | it doesn't let me go forward after that |
| 01:16 | <milkt> | then it show me list of installation process where i can skip "configure the network" and select "set up users and passwords" |
| 01:20 | <milkt> | try clicking some "go back" and "continue" button maybe |
| 01:20 | <shreeya> | which installer are you using? |
| 01:20 | <shreeya> | and are you currently doing installation on Dell XPS 15 9500? |
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| 01:20 | <milkt> | can you access installer now? |
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| 01:20 | <milkt_> | /nick milkt |
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| 01:21 | <shreeya> | sorry, didn't get your question |
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| 01:22 | <milkt> | sorry i got disconnected |
| 01:23 | <shreeya> | jmcnaught: I did try bullseye/testing image |
| 01:24 | <shreeya> | I hope following is the correct link for it |
| 01:24 | <shreeya> | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:24 | <shreeya> | milkt: can you tell me which installer are you using |
| 01:25 | <milkt> | shreeya: i'm using debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:42 | <shreeya> | milkt: yes it works with netinst image |
| 01:42 | <shreeya> | but this wasn't the case with other images I guess |
| 01:43 | <shreeya> | I think I didn't try to go forward after seeing the ethernet error again in netinst image when I tried it |
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| 01:43 | <milkt> | i see, good to hear that |
| 01:44 | <shreeya> | thanks, you really solved a big problem for me :D |
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| 01:49 | <milkt> | no problem, just netinst image without network may not install enough for you so you will have to configure network manually and install some |
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| 01:51 | <shreeya> | hmmm yes, is there any documentation for it which I can refer for basic steps? |
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| 01:52 | <shendong> | haha |
| 01:52 | <milkt> | not sure but you will probably want some desktop environment i guess? |
| 01:53 | <milkt> | shreeya: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 01:53 | <shreeya> | yes and will need all the basic drivers |
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| 01:54 | <milkt> | most driver will be installed with X i think |
| 01:54 | <milkt> | or you may need some nonfree one |
| 01:56 | <shreeya> | yes |
| 01:56 | <shendong> | test 汉字 |
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| 02:03 | <FelixActually> | I'm doing an upgrade and it says "grub-pc is being upgraded" and wants me to select the "GRUB install devices". Would that be the device with root (/) or the hard drive itself (without a number, i.e /dev/sda)? |
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| 03:07 | <FelixActually> | Does anyone have an answer to my question? |
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| 03:29 | <jm_> | FelixActually: most likely the latter, is there any other OS on it? |
| 03:29 | <FelixActually> | jm_: I have Kubuntu on one partition of the drive and Debian on the other |
| 03:30 | <FelixActually> | The partition for the Kubuntu install isn't listed |
| 03:30 | <FelixActually> | (In the GRUB install devices list) |
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| 03:35 | <jm_> | FelixActually: then go with /dev/sda |
| 03:35 | <FelixActually> | Okay, thank you |
| 03:35 | <jm_> | np |
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| 03:40 | <shreeya> | milkt: I am stuct at Configure a package manager |
| 03:41 | <shreeya> | whatever I select, it gives error in next step saying, incorrect mirror specified; mirror is not available; mirror is broken..... |
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| 03:43 | <jm_> | if you have no networking that step will fail |
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| 03:52 | <shreeya> | yes, so basically the issue is that network card is not detected |
| 03:52 | <shreeya> | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/bullseye_di_alpha3+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 03:52 | <shreeya> | I tried above image but even it doesn't detect my network card |
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| 03:54 | <jm_> | perhaps start by finding out which card it is, you can use shell on tty2 |
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| 03:54 | <shreeya> | shell |
| 03:55 | <shreeya> | it is AX1650s network adaptor |
| 03:56 | <jm_> | PCI? USB? |
| 03:57 | <shreeya> | Dell adapter USB-C to USB-A/HDMI-DA20 |
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| 03:57 | <jm_> | that seems to be wireless adapter |
| 03:58 | <shreeya> | DA20u is the external adapter which I have to connect to dell XPS 15 9500 |
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| 03:58 | <jm_> | apparently you need 5.1 kernel |
| 03:59 | <shreeya> | but I tried 5.9 kernel |
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| 03:59 | <shreeya> | even the latest kernel isn't working in my case |
| 03:59 | <jm_> | is that used on testing ISO? |
| 03:59 | <shreeya> | yes |
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| 04:00 | <jm_> | perhaps it's missing newer firmware, would need to look at kernel messages with 5.9 kernel |
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| 04:01 | <shreeya> | so if the latest kernel is missing newer firmware, I should assume there is no way to get debian working? |
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| 04:02 | <jm_> | no, the kernel and firmware are separate packages, you can download the needed firmware files and copy them manually if that assumption is correct |
| 04:02 | <shreeya> | okay |
| 04:03 | <shreeya> | I am not sure what would be the right firmware to download in my case |
| 04:03 | <shreeya> | and from where |
| 04:03 | <jm_> | normally the driver tells you the missing filename |
| 04:04 | <shreeya> | is there are way to see kernel messages when detecting ethernet card |
| 04:05 | <jm_> | again, on tty2 |
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| 04:08 | <shreeya> | okay |
| 04:08 | <shreeya> | what if I try to boot using grub command line |
| 04:08 | <shreeya> | I'm not sure how to use tty2 |
| 04:09 | <jm_> | ctrl-alt-f2 or maybe just alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-<left/right> to switch tty-s |
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| 04:10 | <shreeya> | okay let me try |
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| 04:12 | <shreeya> | where are these commands to be executed? |
| 04:12 | <shreeya> | when I am on the graphical install section? |
| 04:14 | <jm_> | when installer is running |
| 04:14 | <shreeya> | it doesn't work |
| 04:14 | <shreeya> | tried all commands that you provided |
| 04:15 | <jm_> | they are supposed to be keys you press, not commands |
| 04:15 | <jm_> | maybe try non-graphical installer |
| 04:15 | <shreeya> | okay |
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| 04:18 | <shreeya> | I see firmware failed to load iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-ht-b0-44 |
| 04:21 | <jm_> | don't see such file in firmware repository |
| 04:22 | <shreeya> | they have also given repo details |
| 04:22 | <shreeya> | 1 min |
| 04:22 | <shreeya> | oh no it's a generic URL |
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| 04:23 | <shreeya> | iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-ht-b0-44 do not use the last code 44 in this |
| 04:23 | <shreeya> | it has various numbers at the end and it states minimum version 39 and maximum version 56 |
| 04:24 | <jm_> | well similar files, nut no exact match here https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/ |
| 04:24 | <jm_> | you might want to give https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi a try |
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| 04:26 | <jm_> | sorry have to run now |
| 04:27 | <shreeya> | Okay so is it possible to add firmware files before installation? |
| 04:27 | <shreeya> | okay no problem |
| 04:27 | <shreeya> | thanks for all the help |
| 04:27 | <shreeya> | :) |
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| 05:09 | <Guest13320> | im having a small issue with udev trying to make a symlink name for a USB device |
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| 05:41 | <FelixActually> | Guest13320: Can you elaborate? |
| 05:46 | <Guest13320> | FelixActually when i do something like SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", SYMLINK+="ender5-0" |
| 05:46 | <Guest13320> | it works just fine |
| 05:46 | <Guest13320> | but i have several 3D printers that have the same vendor/product/ serial so when i try something like SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:1.7:1.0", SYMLINK+="ender3-0" its just doesnt work |
| 05:46 | <Guest13320> | instead of ATTRS{ID_PATH i also tried ENV{ID_PATH} but it just doesnt work. i followd someone else's example but its not working for me |
| 05:47 | <Guest13320> | its the path i get when i do udevadm info /dev/ttyUSB0 E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:1.7:1.0 |
| 05:47 | <FelixActually> | That's... way over my head, sorry D: |
| 05:47 | <FelixActually> | Hopefully someone who understands what you mean will see this |
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| 07:24 | <jm_> | Guest13320: have you checked with «udevadm info ...» to see which attributes are set for it? |
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| 07:44 | <Guest13320> | jm_ not sure why it fixed it but i just put my rules into a file starting with a letter i.e. a-usb.rules then it worked immediately |
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| 07:48 | <jm_> | Guest13320: how was it named before? |
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| 08:06 | <Guest13320> | jm_ i was using /etc/udev/rules.d/100-usb.rules |
| 08:07 | <jm_> | Guest13320: looks OK to me :) |
| 08:08 | <Guest13320> | it seems like this was an issue with premature processing of the rule, but that seems strange that USB devices arnt ready by the time this rule processes |
| 08:08 | <Guest13320> | so now my rules is /etc/udev/rules.d/a-usb.rules |
| 08:10 | <Guest13320> | jm_ nothing worked until the rule begins with a letter |
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| 08:11 | <jm_> | so that means even with this name it could probably fail |
| 08:14 | <Guest13320> | i have no idea, i dont fully understand how this fixes the issue or under what circumstances it would cease to function. i was following this example https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/541156/udev-rules-for-usb-serial-by-path-not-working |
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| 08:16 | <jm_> | maybe udevadm monitor can point out something |
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| 08:21 | <Guest13320> | jm_ ok thank u |
| 08:24 | <jm_> | no problem, I didn't help anyway |
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| 08:47 | <jochum> | Can i leave a notice for a offline user somewhere in IRC? |
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| 08:51 | <bentham> | jochum: not in general |
| 08:51 | <avu> | jochum: some networks have MemoServ for this |
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| 08:52 | <avu> | seems like OFTC doesn't, though |
| 08:53 | <IPFreely> | jochum: You could rent a vps, or shell account, install an IRC bot, run a script on the bot to handle this kind of "mailbox" messages, and have the bot join the network where you expect this user to be. :) |
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| 08:54 | <IPFreely> | Other people may find the service usable even. |
| 08:55 | <avu> | just what you want, random bots messaging you once you come online :) |
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| 10:20 | <jochum> | yesterday someone asked me for help in here at the same time my friend i'm living with died.... :/ |
| 10:21 | -!- | tech_exorcist is "Set this as your IRC real name." on #osm-ru #matrix @#whatever #praxis #ita #help #oftc-hacker @#dontlookarrghejvd @#ethical #tor-it # @#_ #---------- #C #linux #osm-it ##WorldChat #gentoo-it #tor-uncensored #tor-research #tor-libre #tor-ipv6 #tor-bot-test #tor-project #i2p-dev #tor-dev #zcash @#cryptoparty-bots #cryptoparty #https-everywhere #privacytech @#tor-social @#italiano #suckless #moocows #tor-bots #i2p #oftc @#flood @#tempchannel #432 |
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| 10:22 | <ham5urg> | I have a problem with my AMD GPU 01:00.0, Radeon RX550. After suspend and resuming the machine, it hangs and is not coming back. Inside the boot log I find the message that no firmware is found. I find a package called firmware-amd-graphics. Is this package mandatory for such GPU? I believed that with module AMDGPU the need for blobs has vanished, am I wrong? |
| 10:23 | <jochum> | ham5urg: you'r wrong yes |
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| 10:25 | <ham5urg> | jochum, thanks. Is there any GPU out there which works alone with a vanilla kernel? |
| 10:25 | <jochum> | idk these things |
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| 10:27 | <ham5urg> | The build-in Intel GPUs are doing their job but after many years I wanted to give an external card a try. |
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| 10:33 | <FLD> | i thought even the new intel igpus require a binary blob to function? |
| 10:34 | <FLD> | "pick your poison" type of situation |
| 10:36 | <duclicsic> | I was under the impression that the open source drivers for AMD were decent.. |
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| 10:37 | <duclicsic> | if the proprietary driver doesn't bother you though, I've been running nvidia for years and had no trouble |
| 10:38 | <anonym> | erqqrq |
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| 10:39 | <anonym> | 0 |
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| 10:56 | <jochum> | duclicsic: i have a 5700XT on >5.4 kernel runs fine |
| 10:56 | <jochum> | duclicsic: but i'm running testing |
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| 12:21 | <remzzzzzz> | i configured tigerVNC on my Debian 10. The service seems to run fine, but when i try to connect to it from another box (a VNC client), all i get is "VNC server closed the connection". Where do I start to figure out what's wrong? There's no information in /var/log/syslog (why??) and also nothing in the vnc server log |
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| 12:23 | <sney> | if there's nothing in the vnc server log that sounds like the connection is being reset by something else in between, possibly a firewall? |
| 12:23 | <chele> | would nautilus-nextcloud package for xfce4 (thunar) environment? |
| 12:24 | <remzzzzzz> | sney: i'm connecting via Tor but afaik there's nothing that should block tcp 5901 |
| 12:25 | <remzzzzzz> | the server is a VPS. could the VPS host have a firewall or something? |
| 12:26 | <sney> | of course |
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| 12:26 | <remzzzzzz> | oh wait there's an option to enable/disable VNC somewhere in the control panel on the host's client website, could be it? |
| 12:27 | <remzzzzzz> | what exactly would such a setting do? |
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| 12:40 | <sney> | remzzzzzz: it would probably disable whatever filtering you're running into, though vps provider control panels vary wildly |
| 12:40 | <sney> | !tias |
| 12:40 | <dpkg> | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 12:41 | <sney> | though for secure remote znc access, it's usually recommended to use a ssh tunnel |
| 12:41 | <sney> | er, vnc. |
| 12:42 | <bremner> | both ;) |
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| 12:42 | <bremner> | well, I guess znc should actually use tls, nvm |
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| 12:47 | <remzzzzzz> | looks like that setting started another vnc server (not the one i installed). on another port. also it doesn't work either. from the client i still get "VNC server closed the connection" |
| 12:47 | <remzzzzzz> | there's a VNC client on the VPS hosts' website too. can't connect with that either, so i guess there's something i did |
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| 12:52 | <jhutchins> | The problem is often that the default security configuration on the host and the client is not compatible. It can be really frustrating, because even if they're both from the same project, the won't talk with each other. |
| 12:52 | <jhutchins> | the/they |
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| 12:54 | <remzzzzzz> | what security configuration? even if i do ufw disable and iptables is otherwise empty this doesn't work :( |
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| 14:28 | <insufficient-entropy> | feeling stupid, read bug 928607 as need to install firmware-amd-graphics from unstable. I have it in sources, if I do an apt-cache search, I see the latest release I want, but can't find the command to install the version from unstable. "apt-get reinstall -t unstable fimware-amd-graphics" gets me the version from stable?!?! |
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| 14:31 | <mentor> | insufficient-entropy: reinstall is the wrong verb? |
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| 14:40 | <insufficient-entropy> | I tried install... Urm "upgrade" downgraded some packaged I had "unpinned". The preferences had some old stuff relating to getting firefox from unstable. |
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| 14:40 | <insufficient-entropy> | I removed that and the firefox packaged downgraded. I guess my pinning is TOO effective. |
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| 14:44 | <insufficient-entropy> | Hmm if I pin the package I want, that tries to install it. I guess that'll do. Now to persuade it that it doesn't care that this breaks firmware-nonfree dependencies... |
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| 14:46 | <insufficient-entropy> | Ah the default pin is greater than 990, so that overrides the "-t unstable" - you live and learn... |
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| 14:54 | <insufficient-entropy> | Okay editing /etc/apt/preferences making the pin on stable 900, and the command "apt-get install -t unstable firmware-amd-graphics" pulls in three packages that looks plausible. Now to shrink initramfs |
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| 15:40 | <jhutchins> | insufficient-entropy: Probably best to download and install it manually. You can have stable and unstable sources in your sources list, but you will find yourself doing a clean reinstall fairly quickly. |
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| 15:42 | <jhutchins> | insufficient-entropy: There isn't a mechanism to protect the system from unstable packages replacing stable ones. |
| 15:42 | <jhutchins> | (Doesn't work like backports.) |
| 15:42 | <sney> | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:42 | <judd> | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20201218-3; sid/non-free: 20210208-1 |
| 15:42 | <sney> | ah, it is actually updated. |
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| 15:42 | <jhutchins> | !ssb |
| 15:42 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:42 | <sney> | the other option is to grab the linux-firmware.git tarball from kernel.org, and bypass apt altogether. |
| 15:43 | <jhutchins> | insufficient-entropy: You can try that method. |
| 15:43 | <sney> | ssb is silly in this case because they are binary files, nothing is being built against different libc etc |
| 15:44 | <jhutchins> | sney: True. |
| 15:44 | <sney> | though 'apt source firmware-linux-nonfree' would also download the firmware blobs, and you could cp them from your tempdir directly to /lib/firmware |
| 15:46 | <jhutchins> | sney: Wouldn't it make sense to just download the unstable .deb and install it? Shouldn't be any dependencies. |
| 15:47 | <sney> | sure. |
| 15:49 | <jhutchins> | sney: Wouldn't apt source just download the stable files? |
| 15:49 | <sney> | I had an idea that these firmware-nonfree packages should be a contrib downloader that grabs the newest tarball from kernel.org, so debian doesn't necessarily have to stay on top of making sure a bunch of binary packages are new enough for commonplace hardware |
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| 15:50 | <sney> | apt source is supposed to grab the newest available version from configured sources, though there are some quirks with deb-src which make that unpredictable. so: maybe. it's hard to recommend that option to less experienced users. |
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| 18:22 | <David> | Question... is there a way to fix a second hard drive in debian that's not being recognized... but it was fully operational before.. |
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| 18:23 | <sney> | start by making sure the hard dr... ok |
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| 18:26 | <sney> | David: step 1 is to make sure the hard drive is physically ok. boot from ubcd or the manufacturer's test utility if they have one, and test it. if low level utilities can't detect it, it's probably just broken, and linux can't magically undo that |
| 18:29 | <abrotman> | what is supposed to be on the drive? |
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| 18:32 | <David> | sney: I'll give that a try... thank you... |
| 18:33 | <David> | abrotman: I have a lot of data in that drive that I'll collected over time... due to my home lab.. Hopefully when i get the drive working again... I'm going to think about a better backup method... |
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| 18:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | David, hi again. exactly how is it not being recognized? |
| 18:41 | <abrotman> | does it show up as a device in dmesg? |
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| 18:42 | <betaraddish> | hi |
| 18:42 | <David> | the drive is connected... and it shows up in the gui version of disk manager but for ext4 it says unpartitioned but I know for fact there's data in that file... |
| 18:42 | <David> | and i can't mount the drive... |
| 18:43 | <ach> | !testdisk |
| 18:43 | <dpkg> | TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk See also <photorec>. |
| 18:44 | <ach> | if really should... |
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| 18:45 | <Sqrt{not}> | David, what does it show in your gui view? and please tell us more about "but for ext4 it says unpartitioned" ? |
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| 18:47 | <David> | sorry, that's not a good explanation... I will take screenshots and share it as soon as possible... |
| 18:47 | <betaraddish> | does anyoe know how to exit the bunsenlabs gui and drop to terminal? |
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| 18:48 | <sney> | !bunsenlabs |
| 18:48 | <dpkg> | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 18:49 | <betaraddish> | thanks |
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| 19:35 | <keycollector> | A client of mine mine installed a package from bullseye instead of backports, upgraded a whole bunch of packages we do not want upgraded, causing issues. Is there a clean way to revert this with apt? |
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| 19:42 | <blast007> | reinstall Debian clean |
| 19:42 | <keycollector> | lol.. thats what i was advising |
| 19:43 | <blast007> | the package upgrade steps might have changed configurations or data in a way that can't be reversed (or if it can, will require YOU to do it manually) |
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| 19:45 | <keycollector> | Agreed, thanks for input! |
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| 21:35 | <tst_> | hi all, im new to linux, i want to know about instant file search inside file manager just like i do in windows? |
| 21:37 | <tst_> | im using rox-filer and space-fm |
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| 21:43 | <sney> | tst_: indexing search is built in to some file managers, I don't know about spacefm though. if it's not already present you might be able to find a plugin that uses gnome tracker or locate or some other backend |
| 21:47 | <tst_> | sir, which file manager have built in? actually i need to quick acces to my music files just list in windows beside start menu or in opened drive volume , just need to type it will auto search from hard drive quick instant |
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| 21:49 | <sney> | dolphin and nautilus have it for sure. others I don't know, ask google |
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| 21:49 | <tst_> | thanks! |
| 21:50 | <sney> | for a command line tool that does a similar thing, there's mlocate |
| 21:50 | <sney> | ,i mlocate |
| 21:50 | <judd> | Package mlocate (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: quickly find files on the filesystem based on their name. Version: 0.26-3; Size: 95.4k; Installed: 492k; Homepage: https://pagure.io/mlocate; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mlocate |
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| 21:51 | <tst_> | noted |
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| 22:25 | <Ack3r> | Hi |
| 22:25 | <ach> | Hi |
| 22:26 | <craigevil> | everyone is sleeping :) |
| 22:27 | <Ack3r> | Ya it is that time |
| 22:28 | <craigevil> | only 9pm here but most are in EU |
| 22:36 | <ea> | hello everyone |
| 22:37 | <sney> | hi |
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| 22:38 | <craigevil> | noone here but silent mice |
| 22:39 | <sney> | if someone needed help it'd be more active |
| 22:39 | <craigevil> | of course |
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| 22:40 | <craigevil> | this close to a freeze not many problems |
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| 22:42 | <Ack3r> | I am checking out the Debian distro |
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| 22:42 | <Ack3r> | just getting familiar with documentation |
| 22:43 | <Ack3r> | was going to ask about sudo being updated to fix the buffer overflow issue reported last month but I see stable has fixed it |
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| 22:49 | <ach> | !hi |
| 22:49 | <dpkg> | hello, ach |
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| 22:52 | <radhitya> | Good Morning Everybody |
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| 22:52 | <sney> | good localtime |
| 22:53 | <radhitya> | is safe to dist-upgrade from debian stable? |
| 22:53 | <dvs> | to what? |
| 22:53 | <sney> | !moving target |
| 22:53 | <dpkg> | Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
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| 22:57 | <radhitya> | dvs : from jessie to buster |
| 22:58 | <dvs> | radhitya: in that case, yes. Just read the release notes for buster. |
| 22:58 | <dvs> | !jessie |
| 22:58 | <dpkg> | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 22:58 | <dvs> | oh wait. You can't do that straight. |
| 22:58 | <blast007> | you have to update to stretch first, THEN buster |
| 22:59 | <blast007> | !jessie->stretch |
| 22:59 | <radhitya> | is it safe? |
| 22:59 | <blast007> | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 22:59 | <dpkg> | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 23:00 | <blast007> | dpkg: stretch->buster |
| 23:00 | <dpkg> | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 23:00 | <blast007> | have backups if you're worried |
| 23:01 | <blast007> | (or really, have backups even if you're not worried) |
| 23:02 | <radhitya> | thank you blast007 for advice :D |
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