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02:56<nithir>Hello i'm Nithir and I have an issue with my almost fresh debian Buster Install... I experiance some trouble when i want to switch between user. I have a black screen, the cursor of the mousestay and move if i want but i don't go to the login screen... so i'm unable to switch user... anyone have an idea ? a log file to watch for clues or something... don't what to say please help =)
02:58<nithir>I have official Nvidia driver installed... but with nouveau the problem is always there.
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03:15<mambang[m]>maybe can find something useful on dmesg
03:15<jhutchins>nithir: Please describe how you are trying to change users.
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03:16<nithir>well... i clic at the top right corner of the screen then on my login name and to finish "change user"
03:17<nithir>mambang[m], thank for the idea
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03:19<mambang[m]>if you are human.. maybe you want to use `dmesg --human` :P
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03:19<nithir>yes i'am... i think
03:19<nithir>maybe
03:19<milkt>nithir: which DE are you using?
03:20<nithir>what does it mean : "DE" ?
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03:20<esum>Desktop Environment
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03:20<nithir>ok, gnome3
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03:21<jm_>might also be worth looking in session log
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03:26<milkt>also check status or log of gnome service gdm? with systemd maybe
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03:33<nithir>journalctl start when i reboot because I was stuck between session... i need few second before that...
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03:35<milkt>nithir: if you stuck in black screren, you can access virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+F2-6 probably and restart gdm or whatever
03:36<jm_>you can also enable persistent journal - I thought that's the default nowadays
03:36<milkt>also i had similar problem when installing debian with nvidia graphic, but unlike your case i get black screen right away after boot
03:36<milkt>so i switched to nonfree driver and never had issue... so maybe you can try nonfree driver
03:37<nithir>sorry, i made a mistake
03:40<nithir>i found that in the journalctl log : https://0bin.net/paste/f4IPrBGk#nAmXemCA9+d9CRV4qnrtsFvtKl5ms3vrnBGkOdeIJnx
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03:41<nithir>i seems that the system lost my GPU...
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03:44<kd>hey
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03:45<kd>hey
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03:47<jm_>nithir: might try a newer kernel or non-free nvidia driver, but that means you'll need to switch to non-wayland session in gdm config
03:50<nithir>ok
03:50<nithir>thanks non-wayland session
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03:50<jm_>!bpo kernel
03:50<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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03:54<milkt>nithir: for your information, installing "firmware-misc-nonfree" fixed my case
03:54<aidalgol>I'm building some Debian packages myself. What's the recommended way to host a local apt repo for this purpose?
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03:56<milkt>aidalgol: maybe look at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup
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03:58<nithir>thank a lot to everyone for your help, i have some test to do now
03:58<nithir>bye
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03:58<aidalgol>Sounds like I want local-apt-repository.
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04:02<aidalgol>milkt: thanks!
04:04<milkt>aidalgol: no problem, hope it help
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04:18<aidalgol>Is there a glossary of terms used on packages.debian.org? (e.g. adep)
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04:30<joostvb>aidalgol: there's an attempt @ https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary
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04:49<milkt>aidalgol: found this https://litter.catbox.moe/rw1qxl.txt, in packages/lib/Packages/DoShow.pm line 412-414, of https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/packages.git
04:50<milkt>if this what you want
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06:03<bleh>So yesterday I tried to install Debian from the non-free iso, but when it detected network hardware it wouldn't let me install firmware even though its on the USB - when I pressed 'Yes' to find it on removable media the menu just refreshed again. I think this meant my network wasn't configured and so I couldn't select software to install later in the installation process.
06:04<bleh>Anyone know how to properly get firmware on ths system during installlation?
06:05<milkt>bleh: do you know which firmware do you need for your network hardware?
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06:06<bleh>yes, it said I was missing a bunch of iwlwifi stuff
06:06<milkt>i think you can manually select firmware for your hardware on network configuration section
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06:08<bleh>before network config I think there's the screen I saw, it said do I want to look for firmware on removable media Y/N , I said N in the end because when I said Yes it wouldn't progress
06:09<grove>I would check when the installer output on tty4 to see if you had just named the file with the firmware wrong
06:09<bleh>when I got to network config it tried DHCP, but I'm on wifi only and it wouldn't configure, just asked me for IP, Gateway - I provided that but it didn't work
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06:10<bleh>I used Rufus to set up the USB direct from the iso, the firmware is all in F:/firmware - there's a tonne in there, e.g. firmware-iwlwifi_20190114-2_all.deb
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06:11<grove>!rufus
06:11<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
06:11<themill>if you're using the non-free iso, you don't need to be adding extra firmware packages
06:11<themill>(and yeah, rufus seems more likely to break things than help)
06:11<bleh>Okay, so I will try and remake the USB under DD, I think I used the other setting...
06:12<bleh>I didn't add any extra firmware packages, I mean from unpacking the non-free ISO to the USB it just creates the firmware folder and puts all the firmware in there that is included on non-free
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06:33<bleh>!usb install
06:33<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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07:23<jochum>Very old systems don't work with ventoy.
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08:44<homer>coming over from Windows, using Rufus to make an MBR partitioned DD image on my USB.
08:44<homer>would putting firmware files in the directory still be detected by the installer?
08:45<homer>as DD limits the size of the USB theoretically, so I can't put the firmware on the partition?
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09:00<milkt>did dd have size limitation?
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09:01<bremner>probably not
09:01<bremner>at least, not in debian
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09:02<bremner>I think they meant something different though, just that dd-ing an existing image fixes the partition sizes
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09:04<milkt>i see
09:05<milkt>homer: which firmware are you trying to add? there are installer containing nonfree firmware if that is what you need
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09:08<bremner>I think they left
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09:31<tomek>hi
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09:33<milkt>hi
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09:38<joostvb>hi
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09:40<deb>Cmos fail
09:40<deb>Already bought a new batterie
09:40<deb>Did a bios reset
09:40<deb>And still
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09:42<Sqrt{not}>deb, is this computer connected to any external power ever?
09:42<mambang[m]>chill.. type slowly.. in sentence
09:43<deb>What do you by external ppwer
09:43<blast007>deb: did you reset the time/date is your BIOS/UEFI? might still complain until you do that.
09:43<blast007>s/reset/set/
09:43<deb>When i enter the setup its empty
09:43<blast007>"its" being what?
09:44<deb>I Can't do anything its blank and it freezes and I can't go back
09:45<blast007>well, this isn't a Debian problem
09:45<deb>Is there a channel that can help me
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09:46<blast007>there is ##hardware on the Freenode network
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10:26<grove>I want to (r)sync all the locally stored content under ~/.xyz to remote:~/xyz, but .xyz contains an NFS mounted subdirectory, so I can't use `rsync ~/.xyz/* remote:xyz/`. How do I accomplish that? My current plan is to make the script doing it less ortable by making it depend on zsh and use that's extended globbing features - but I don't know those, so I'm asking to learn if there's another ...
10:26<grove>... way, where I already know all the components?
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10:29<jm_>grove: why does NFS mount matter?
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10:35<_0>h
10:35<_0>what with yt-dl?
10:36<_0>i was here a month ago, nothing was changed?
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10:37<_0>may be you need devs;-)?
10:37<_0>i'm quite free)
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10:38<blast007>_0: which version of youtube-dl are you using?
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10:38<milkt>youtube-dl is not frequently updated in debian stable
10:38<_0>stable
10:38<blast007>I'm looking for the version number
10:39<_0>ok
10:39<blast007>youtube-dl --version
10:39<_0>wait a half an hour approximetely
10:40<_0>it's not in my install, but i guess it is not updated;-)
10:40<blast007>2021.01.08 is in the buster-backports repository
10:41<_0>currently i install wine
10:41<_0>i got yours, it is working?
10:41<_0>you*
10:42<blast007>I don't use the one from the debian repo
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10:42<Sqrt{not}>!youtube-dl
10:42<dpkg>youtube-dl is a command line utility for downloading videos from <youtube> and other sites, and is available from debian repositories, but that version is not usually the newest. The most up-to-date version can be installed directly by instructions at https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html There is also #youtube-dl on irc.freenode.net
10:42<milkt>!youtube-dl
10:43<_0>2019.01.17
10:43<blast007>yeah, you're using the version in the buster repo, not the buster-backports repo
10:43<blast007>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
10:45<Sqrt{not}>_0, if you need new,new version use that one from github, and do "youtube-dl -U" when you need it to update itself. don't use winde
10:45<Sqrt{not}>....wine
10:45<Fraggle2>what Sqrt{not} says, I reccomend too on stable
10:46<Fraggle2>not sure why it is packaged anyway, as video servers change often
10:47<_0>backports in my sources.list
10:47<_0>but it does not update yt-dl
10:47<_0>apt is broken?:-/
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10:48<Fraggle2>did you install it via apt -t buster-backports? do you know how debian backports work?
10:48<Sqrt{not}>_0, no, apt is not broken
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10:50<_0>thanks, i did not know about -t
10:51<_0>i do not know how backports work=(
10:52<milkt>youtube-dl still not so frequently updated also in backports though
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10:56<_0>heh, -t means /
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10:56<Fraggle2>?
10:57<Fraggle2>apt -t buster-backports install youtube-dl
10:57<_0>nothing, does nto matter
10:57<_0>not*
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10:58<david>Just installed Debian Bullseye to try it out and found a couple of issues
10:58<david>1 - The kernel 5.10.0.3 has a broken pwc driver meaning that some older webcams no longer work (5.9 and previous versions worked fine). Seems this is a known issue (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210777), with a patch produced, but I cannot see if/when it will be released in the kernel. Does anyone know how to find out?
10:58<david>2 - I installed the packages gnome-dvb-client and gnome-dvb-daemon. Can setup the DVB card fine, but gnome-dvb-control fails to load the GUI:
10:58<david>File "/usr/bin/gnome-dvb-control", line 25, in <module>
10:58<david> from gnomedvb.ui.controlcenter.ControlCenterWindow import ControlCenterWindow
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10:58<bopeep>recommend checking this out: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
10:58<bopeep>link for _0
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10:59<bopeep>basically add backports to sources.list then use apt-get install <package>/buster-backports
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11:00<amigo_relearn>Hey everybody, anybody here playing dwarf-fortress? I found that there is a debian package for it. I was wondering if anybody here is using DFHack (for Stonesense) with it, and if so, where did you get a .deb package for it, or how did you build it yourself? many thanks.
11:01<david>ust installed Debian Bullseye to try it out and found a couple of issues
11:01<david>1 - The kernel 5.10.0.3 has a broken pwc driver meaning that some older webcams no longer work (5.9 and previous versions worked fine). Seems this is a known issue (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210777), with a patch produced, but I cannot see if/when it will be released in the kernel. Does anyone know how to find out?
11:03<david>2 - I installed the packages gnome-dvb-client and gnome-dvb-daemon. Can setup the DVB card fine, but gnome-dvb-control fails to load the GUI
11:03<david>Final error message is File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnomedvb/ui/widgets/ChannelsStore.py", line 24, in <module>
11:03<david> from cgi import escape
11:03<david>ImportError: cannot import name 'escape' from 'cgi' (/usr/lib/python3.9/cgi.py)
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11:04<mendel_munkis>I got LNP which includes dfhack which you can get at https://github.com/McArcady/lnp-forge
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11:10<Fraggle2>david: try at #debian-next
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11:12<amigo_relearn>mendel_munkis Did you compile it yourself, or did you use the provided .deb package? The .deb package I got from github/releases depends on openjdk-8-jre which is not in debian anymore.
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11:12<mendel_munkis>This was several years ago I used a provided binary.
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11:28<Fraggle2>amigo_relearn: according to the documentation it is easy to install dfhack manually; just download and put the files somewhere
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11:30<amigo_relearn>I was hoping to get or build a .deb package, but I couldn't find documentation on that/ don't know enough to just do it in a standard way.
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11:43<mimi89999>> ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/me/libc-2.28.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored.
11:43<mimi89999>Why doesn't this work?
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11:51<Sqrt{not}>mimi89999, exists? permissions?
11:52<mimi89999>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 me me 1947056 Feb 19 17:32 /home/me/libc-2.28.so
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12:01<amigo_relearn>Hey so I have a source tarball https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/archive/0.47.04-r5.tar.gz, short build instructions https://docs.dfhack.org/en/stable/docs/Compile.html#build, and the -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=<path to DF> path to the /usr/share/games/dwarf-fortress/gamedata folder from debian's dwarf-fortress package. How do I turn that into a debian package (.deb) instead of using ninja install?
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12:03<Fraggle2>amigo_relearn: I tried to built a deb package too out of curiousity. I do not know much about cmake, but my plan was to issue "cmake .." in the build directory, then try to build a dirty .deb with dh_make
12:03<Fraggle2>unfortunately already the "cmake .." does not work and I could not understand the error messages
12:04<Fraggle2>you could also play with checkinstall, but already the makefile generation fails
12:07<Fraggle2>if you find out how to do it, please tell me, I am always looking for understanding the process of generating deb packages better :)
12:07<amigo_relearn>Fraggle2 for me it looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/1186124/ , what have you got?
12:09<Fraggle2>amigo_relearn: similar, did you git submodule update --init
12:09<Fraggle2>I did not try this, let's try again
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12:10<amigo_relearn>I used he source tarball here, was hoping that that would include the submodules. probably not ... https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/archive/0.47.04-r5.tar.gz
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12:11<Fraggle2>AHA! seems this was the missing step, now it downloads the submodules
12:13<amigo_relearn>We need to compile a release that is compatible with the debian dwarf-fortress package. If you just build the master/develop branch the version numbers will not match
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12:14<Fraggle2>building deb file right now :-D
12:14<amigo_relearn>correction: "master" is what they call stable and "develop" is what they call unstable. so we need git clone https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack.git --recursive && git checkout master
12:15<Fraggle2>works
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12:15<amigo_relearn>let's see if we arrive at the same destination
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12:19<Fraggle2>1. git clone https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack.git 2. cd dfhack, git submodule update --init 3. cd build, cmake .. 4. dh_make -p dfhack_versionnumber -n 5. fakeroot debian/rules binary
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12:19<Fraggle2>this seems to make a quick and dirty .deb
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12:20<amigo_relearn>does this work / run too or just compile for you?
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12:20<Fraggle2>I do not use the game, so I can not check
12:20<Fraggle2>but it builds a deb
12:21<Fraggle2>you will probably have to play with cmakes arguments
12:21<Fraggle2>for example you mentioned DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX; I just ignored it
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12:22<Fraggle2><Fraggle2> 1. git clone https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack.git 2. cd dfhack, git submodule update --init 3. cd build, cmake .. 4. dh_make -p dfhack_versionnumber -n 5. fakeroot debian/rules binary
12:22<Fraggle2>in case you missed it
12:24<Fraggle2>but for real world usage I would probably take the binaries from the page
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12:25<amigo_relearn>That's totally non-debian, the cmake script wants to download vendored binaries as part of the build process... * Downloading linux64-libruby187.so.gz ... status: [6;"Couldn't resolve host name"]
12:25<amigo_relearn>
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12:25<amigo_relearn>annnoying
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12:27<amigo_relearn>the problem with to provided binary was that it was looking for the dwarf-fortress lib binaries in a folder different from the place the debian package installs them at, and I don't know how to change that.
12:27<Fraggle2>i think those are not binaries but sources
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12:28<Fraggle2>amigo_relearn: you could perhaps work around this with symbolic links. however the software has the right name: it is really hacky
12:28<Fraggle2>if hacky is an english word :)
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12:29<amigo_relearn>Probably the reason why there is no package in debian for it, even though all build dependencies and dwarf-fortress are. Would be lovely to have it though
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12:31<Fraggle2>btw, the deb generation failed with: dh_usrlocal: error: debian/dfhack/usr/local/dfhack is not a directory
12:31<Fraggle2>after compiling everything
12:32<Fraggle2>I give up now, but hope you got some usefull building blocks for your further adventures
12:33<amigo_relearn>I am not knowledgable enough to know what I am doing and don't want to put the time in anymore, so I'll run the Windows version with wine. Was an interesting experiment though
12:33<Fraggle2>one key might be DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX
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12:33<amigo_relearn>the page says that it should compile without. For reference these were my steps:
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12:35<Fraggle2>but we got quite far for not knowing what we are doing, right? ;-)
12:36<amigo_relearn>git clone https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack.git --recursive && git checkout master && git submodule update && cd build && cmake .. -G Ninja -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:string=Release -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/share/games/dwarf-fortress/gamedata
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12:37<amigo_relearn>yeah (sorry I closed the window by accident there)
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12:38<amigo_relearn>Is there an irc client that supports scrolling up past the point where you connected? basically automatically fetching the public irc archives? that would be handy...
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12:39<grawity>amigo_relearn: there is no standard "public irc archive"
12:39<grawity>the client can't do much about it
12:40<grawity>(there *are* attempts to work it out as part of the actual irc protocol, but some networks already say they won't use it due to privacy issues)
12:41<grawity>I guess it would be possible for a client to do this for channels which have a logging bot, but... it'd practically need to be done individually for every single channel
12:41<Sqrt{not}>amigo_relearn, you didn't miss anything while you were gone
12:42<grawity>I haven't seen any client do it and it seems like it'd be tedious to implement
12:43<amigo_relearn>having it just for irc.debian.net would be cool enough.
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12:44<Sqrt{not}>amigo_relearn, some clients (hexchat for example) can be configured to save logs of what they see when they _are_ connected.
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12:56<grove>(I got caught up in something different and forot I had asked this, and now jm_ who responded has left :-( )I want to (r)sync all the locally stored content under ~/.xyz to remote:~/xyz, but .xyz contains an NFS mounted subdirectory, so I can't use `rsync ~/.xyz/* remote:xyz/`. How do I accomplish that? My current plan is to make the script doing it less ortable by making it depend on zsh and ...
12:56<grove>... use that's extended globbing features - but I don't know those, so I'm asking to learn if there's another way, where I already know all the components?
12:56<grove>(to address jm_
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12:59<Mister00X>grove: rsync has an exclude option IIRC
12:59<grove>(oops hit the enter key by mistake) +'s question: The importance of mentioning the NFS mount is to say that there are files that are not locally stored, and the location of it means I won't get any effect of out specifying --one-file-system)
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13:01<grove>Mister00X: I know that, but my testing seems to suggest that rsync basically ignores it when the dir is among the arguments, which it becomes when I use '.xyz/*' (which the shell expands, including the NFS-dir)
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13:04<grove>(That test was what made me think of the zsh extended globbing)
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13:06<Mister00X>grove: rsync has an incredible huge man page maybe you could use a filter rule instead of the --exclude option.... but I dont rsync that much to know it for certain
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13:08<grove>Mister00X: I didn't know about filter rules, I'll read about those
13:08<grawity>grove: why are you using xyz/* instead of just xyz/
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13:11<grawity>rsync -r or -a will already know that it needs to include the directory's contents
13:12<grove>grawity: Because I haven't found a way to make rsync ignore the name of the given argument - and it is '.xyz' on the source and 'xyz' (without the dot) on the target
13:12<grawity>hence the trailing slash in my example
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13:12<grawity>in rsync, src/ means the contents of src
13:13<grawity>kinda like when you ls some_symlink vs ls some_symlink/
13:14<grawity>it's possible to trick cp -a or cp -r into doing the same, too, using src/. (dot included)
13:14<grawity>though with rsync it's a deliberate feature and with cp it's a hack
13:15<grove>grawity: Wow, it seems there was a combination of / and no-/ (how to write that nicely) that I hadn't tried
13:15<grawity>it's fine for the destination to have a /, I usually add it
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13:15<grawity>I don't remember if there are cases where it'd be bad for the destination to be missing a /
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13:20<amigo_relearn>Fraggle2 just to put a close on it. With wine it doesn't work either (when Windows executables want to edit each others memory wine still shows it's limitations sometimes), but installing a tileset https://github.com/DFgraphics/Mayday/releases for some grahics is easy enough. Just the cool https://github.com/DFHack/stonesense/blob/master/docs/Stonesense.rst#usage is eluding me on debian now...
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13:23<grove>grawity: Thanks, that was a lot easier that what I was about to get myself into
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15:24<PaulePan1er>Hi. Should `apt -y` or `apt-get -y` be used in scripts?
15:25<PaulePan1er>The problem is, `apt` shows `WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.`
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15:25<PaulePan1er>… which is unwanted to have in log files.
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15:25<jhutchins>PaulePan1er: Messages like that exist for a reason. Apt should not be used in scripts.
15:25<PaulePanter>Thanks.
15:26<jhutchins>PaulePanter: Use aptitude or apt-get.
15:26<PaulePanter>Will do.
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15:28<jhutchins>PaulePanter: I'm not entirely sure aptitude is recommended for scripts either.
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15:34<PaulePanter>Yes, I am using apt-get from now on.
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15:35<PaulePanter>Though, in my opinion, it’s not a good design to have two commands. It’s too confusing, and ofter, writing a script, you copy something from the history or it’s just muscle memory.
15:35*PaulePanter likes apt because it’s so short.
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15:44<conny>also, ich halte bald nix mehr von linux, wenn man nichtmal einen SIS treiber integriert.. alles funktioniert, nur das Bild ist unscharf. was mach ich da falsch
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15:44<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org
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15:49<tableggg>There is no internet connection after I've successfully connected to my OpenVPN server. Does this IP route look right for my client (debian 10)? https://pastebin.com/raw/WvrfRaes
15:50<Passerby>After upgrading a server, I would like to avoid rebooting but still reap the security benefits of libraries' new versions. Is restarting daemons (nginx, postfix, dovecot...) enough to accomplish this?
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15:59<sarnold>Passerby: yes, that'll work for the services you restart; you won't get kernel fixes that way, though
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16:03<sarnold>tableggg: I'm no expert, but the 10.8.0.1 via 10.8.0.5 rule feels redundant, I don't think the default route should ever be picked (but maybe something else 'requires' a default route?) -- and the 10.137.0.8 rule feels a bit surprising, why is that one IP local but nothing else is?
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16:05<Passerby>Thank you for the reassurance, sarnold.
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16:12<tableggg>sarnold: 10.137.* is my router i think. Here's ip route when the VPN client isn't running https://pastebin.com/raw/PNFGp0Eu
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16:14<Echoz>if your default route is through the VPN you'll need routes to your vpn server via your local gateway
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18:21<brainping>hi, i old, i forget alot of simple command line ...commands, but i have questions about how to tweak other stuff, ie, joystick
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18:22<Sqrt{not}>hi brainping, welcome, feel free to ask
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18:24<brainping>ok mx 12.4 or something but and xbox 360 always drift
18:24<brainping>and how do i make joy not a mouse control
18:25<brainping>360 controlers drify right
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18:26<ach>!gamepad
18:26<dpkg>A gamepad/joypad is a game controller held in two hands, generally featuring action buttons and a direction controller. The Linux kernel input drivers support several gamepad models. The joystick Debian package contains test and calibration utilities; calibration settings can be saved using jscal-store for loading at device insertion time via <udev>. See also <xboxdrv>.
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18:28<ach>!xpad
18:29<brainping>i think that gonna help
18:29<hermande>Good Morning everybody. I'm trying to force the debian-installer to load a module prior to starting the installer process. I've successfully modified the modules.conf and created a modprobe.d. But the module never loads.
18:29<brainping>i dont want the joy as a mouse
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18:31<Sqrt{not}>brainping, if you are on MX linux, there is better help available on the MX linux forums -- we don't really know about it here.. dpkg will give you a link to the forum
18:31<Sqrt{not}>!mxlinux
18:31<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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18:37<Sqrt{not}>hermande, I see you are getting your answers in the other channel. usually, it is not considered polite to ask the same question in multiple channels at the same time.
18:38<hermande>I'll remember that *if* I get an answer.
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18:39<Sqrt{not}>hermande, no *if* about it. and you won't find a better answerer than Sledge
18:40<hermande>What about that "IF"?
18:41<Sqrt{not}>!crosspost
18:41<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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18:49<hermande>Sqrt{not}, Now that the question has not been answered, Shall I now go to a cave and await an answer to arrive in this forum.
18:50<hermande>Why help when suggesting that the question is wrong?
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18:53<ach>if needed livecd can in running do install?
18:53<sney>ach: debian live has the calamares installer included. other live environments can install debian via debootstrap
18:54<ach>i am wondered
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19:00<Sqrt{not}>hermande, now that your question _has_ been answered, we stand outside your cave, and await an apology
19:02<hermande>Sqrt{not}, Question is still not answered. Again thanks for playing.
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19:06<sarnold>you guys have caves?
19:07<sney>technical debian-installer discussion can sometimes be found in #debian-boot but it's not likely to be faster than the mxlinux forum. really, if you want to be mad at someone, it's mxlinux who didn't bother to have any kind of real-time support chat.
19:08<Sqrt{not}>actually, I think MX was the other visitor
19:08<Sqrt{not}>3rd cave on the left
19:08<sney>ah, and they were different colors even. I have no excuse.
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22:09<mambang[m]>how can command the pbuilder to use my local `~/.pbuilderrc` instead of using `/root/.pbuilderrc` (I have root access but I don't create root account. So I think it easier to use own acc to keep track dotfiles)
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22:11<sney>mambang[m]: packaging questions are best asked in #debian-mentors. I would guess that you could symlink it, but there's probably a more direct solution.
22:12<mambang[m]>i think just to symlink too.. but maybe there is more good solution. thanks for suggesting the channel, i will be there
22:14<jrtc27>sudo HOME="$HOME" pbuilder is one way to achieve that
22:15<jrtc27>sudo -E pbuilder is the bigger hammer
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22:16<jrtc27>(note that pdebuild uses sudo -E by default)
22:16<jrtc27>mambang[m]: ^
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22:24<mambang[m]>thanks. but that one mean I need to always sudo home everytime on new terminal session, right?
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