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---Logopened Sun Feb 21 00:00:48 2021
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00:02<milkt>sorry i ran out of idea
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00:09<rick_>ok
00:09<rick_>thanks for your response
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00:14<milkt>rick_: try logging in with "ssh -vvv" and check log maybe
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00:17<rick_>yea. after they asked to type password
00:17<rick_>debug3: send packet: type 50 debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password Permission denied, please try again.
00:18<rick_>debug3: send packet: type 50. debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password Permission denied, please try again.
00:18<rick_>this is what I got
00:19<milkt>wait
00:19<milkt>are you logging into root or other user
00:21<rick_>root
00:21<milkt>if you are trying to login as root through ssh, you probably need to check "PermitRootLogin" in sshd_config as well
00:22<milkt>probably default is "no" or "prohibit-password"
00:22<milkt>try setting it to "yes"
00:22<rick_>thanks man
00:22<rick_>that worked
00:22<milkt>allowing root password ssh login is not so safe though
00:22<milkt>good to hear that
00:23<rick_>yea, I'll add a new user
00:23<milkt>check "man sshd_config" for other option etc
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00:25<rick_>sure
00:25<rick_>it'll throw an error while using sudo command if you're already a root user, right?
00:26<milkt>i do not get error when doing that though
00:26<rick_>weird
00:26<rick_>it says:
00:27<rick_>-bash: sudo: command not found
00:27<milkt>install package "sudo" maybe
00:27-!-mendelmunkis is now known as mendel_munkis
00:29<mendel_munkis>I accidentally ran two screen lockers which loccan anyone give me advice on fixing this?ked up my system, I killed both of them so X mostly works, however my DM (LXDE) no longer controls the root window.
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00:31<milkt>mendel_munkis: maybe restart LXDE?
00:32<milkt>i am not sure what is exact situation
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00:40<mendel_munkis>I tried restarting a bunch of dm/wm pieces got it to work, but lost my open windows, oh well. thank you
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00:52<dreamer>woops
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02:29<alibal>مرحبا
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03:13<joostvb>صبح بخير
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04:25<Joaquinito2051>Hello, i need to package https://github.com/openshift/origin.
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06:49<new-user-feb>Hello, How add permanent routes during boot Debian 10.8?
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07:44<metbsd>Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused
07:44<metbsd>geting this everytie i do apt update
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07:53<metbsd>https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nzXDT9PbWt/
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07:55<multiiid>why is logging into ssh with root and a password not recommended? if my password is extremely complex, what's the danger?
07:56<abrotman>multiiid: it's still an opportunity
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07:59<blast007>multiiid: it's generally recommended to only keep root for as long as necessary, not for continued general use. So the use of 'su -' or 'sudo' lets you run commands as root but then return to a normal user when you're done with whatever administration action.
08:00<multiiid>abrotman: 300+ bit entropy though. i'll take my chances i think
08:00<multiiid>blast007: i see
08:00<abrotman>blast007: that doesn't really answer his question, because I think he's alluding to that you can configure sshd to allow root+keys, whereas root+password is considered bad
08:00<multiiid>yes
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08:02<metbsd>https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sbHkRkmCzj/
08:02<metbsd>help
08:03<multiiid>my SSH server is also only available on .onion, and its .onion address is not made public
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08:05<abrotman>metbsd: please post only in one place, most of us are in both
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08:05<metbsd>no
08:05<metbsd>i need help plz
08:06<metbsd>just cut the crap and help me out plz
08:06<multiiid>lol
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08:10<blast007>abrotman: I just don't like logging in as root in general unless there's no other option (such as a new VPS where they only give you root)
08:11<multiiid>blast007: in case you make a mistake like running a command you shouldn't do as root?
08:12<blast007>because I generally don't need root for 95% of the stuff I do
08:13<multiiid>i see
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08:16<AIBL>Could someone program/code .. or suggest a program, which would beep if the computer/pc/laptop is on idle .... letting the user to switch off the idle pc/computer/laptop ?. power management allows to dim out screen or go into sleep or hibernate.. it doesn't have notification or beeper option, so if one is away from the laptop, you might as well forget.. and leave it on for long time.
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08:18<AIBL> I don't know any , it would be much better for prime OS distributions like debian/ubuntu/fedora/suse, rather than their derivatives to develop/distribute them inbuilt in the platform.. just an opinion
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11:14<Katrame>!list
11:14<dpkg>katrame: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ !
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11:24<passsrc>if i want to disable all logging on my server, need i do more than just simply "systemctl disable syslog"? (debian 10)
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11:25<passsrc>also is it safe to delete all files in /var/log/?
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11:27<abrotman>no, and that's up to you
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11:36<multiiid>ok i'll run rm /var/log/*
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11:39<multiiid>maybe there's software that at least expects there to be an empty log file present though
11:40<multiiid>i'll write a script to empty the files instead
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11:50<fll>can i really change my username in the terminal using the useradd or some other command?
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11:54<wb9688>What will Debian do when they've ran out of Toy Story characters?
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11:57<bentham>wb9688: do you have any suggestions?
11:57<wb9688>No
11:59<wb9688>I was just curious if a plan already existed
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12:01<wb9688>Even though it will probably take quite a few years until that's needed
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12:07<petn-randall>wb9688: At that point Debian will be perfect and there will be no further releases.
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12:19<fll>petn-randall: what is the topic... I kinda missed out
12:20<azeem>17:54 < wb9688> What will Debian do when they've ran out of Toy Story characters?
12:21<fll>azeem: Toy Story characters?
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12:22<azeem>fll: Toy Story characters are the characters of the animated movie Toy Story and its sequels
12:22<azeem>or what part is unclear?
12:23<fll>azeem: it's all clear...
12:23<fll>azeem: thank you
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12:27<multiiid>so this didn't work: cat /dev/null > $(find /var/log/ -type f)
12:27<multiiid>how can i do this
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12:28<multiiid>ie empty files recursively
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12:30<joostvb>multiiid: you're sure you don't want rm -r ?
12:30<multiiid>i don't want to delete the files, i just want to empty the contents @joostvb
12:30<joostvb>the one you tried fails because after > there's just one file expected
12:31<wb9688>fll: Debian releases are named after Toy Story characters
12:31<multiiid>i see, that's what i figured. so how would i do it? @joostvb
12:31<petn-randall>multiiid: find -type f -print0 /var/log/ | xargs -I{} -0 truncate {}
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12:31<wb9688>multiiid: truncate
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12:36<fll>wb9688: I guess they will look for a new movie or maybe write the characters names in a new way. One thing I'm sure @petn-randall is that Debian will never be perfect at a point of no further releases. There is a long long longer way to go.
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12:39<multiiid>petn-randall: wb9688: thanks. This worked fine: find /var/log/ -type f -print0 | xargs -I {} -0 truncate -s 0 {}
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12:40<petn-randall>fll: Yes, I should have added the irony tags.
12:40<petn-randall>multiiid: Ah, good point, -s 0 is needed.
12:41<multiiid>yep
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12:41<fll>petn-randall: yeah, sure
12:42<twl>hello, i think i installed a package on my server that replaces systemd with anoter init program, how could i remove it? (the process is just called "init")
12:43<twl>and if i run systemctl or anything it tells me systemd is not on pid 1
12:43<abrotman>twl: look in your apt logs to see what was installed recently?
12:44<fll>can I actually program entirely with vim or do I have to use a different editor? I want to learn vim but I just want to be sure I will be on the right track
12:44<fll>twl: have you tried init.d...
12:44<fll>twl: not init.d... but init.d
12:45<twl>abrotman: i think i installed package git-daemon-run that came with "runit-sysv"
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12:47<twl>it also said i apt pruged the same package which would have removed runit as well...
12:48<Sqrt{not}>fll, vim is an excellent editor choice for programmers
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12:48<twl>https://i.imgur.com/GL5j289.png
12:49<twl>it removed the package systemd-sysv, so i installed that again and rebooting...
12:49<fll>Sqrt{not}: thanks a lot...
12:49<rajulocal>fll: If you want to program in python, I suggest to use pycharm instead of vim.
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12:50<rajulocal>fll: You can definitely program in vim or any editor. But how efficiently can you do it with minimal configuration is the key.
12:50<joostvb>fll: or try emacs
12:51<fll>rajulocal: it's not entirely python. There is C, C++, Java and I guess PHP/Ruby somewhere
12:51<bremner>pycharm is not in debian, so not the best suggestion here
12:51<bremner>unless it has a weird unsearchable name
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12:52<Mister00X>I think for python programing the next best IDE for python is spyder
12:52<rajulocal>fll: I understand. In general, I found the IntelliJ tools are much better if you want to write code. But if you want to stick to pure Debian, you can use vim or emacs or any editor.
12:53<fll>there is one that is usually found by default in Ubuntu and I used to use it greatly but when I changed OS, I forgot the name
12:53<twl>...it worked! thanks for your "help" (though it did lead me in the right direction so im still thankful)
12:54<fll>joostvb: thank you
12:54<rajulocal>bremner: pycharm is not in Debian. But you can install if you want to. You have to use the right tool for the job whether it is in Debian or not.
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12:57<rajulocal>I have used vim for > 20 years for programming in C/C++/Fortan/Perl/Python etc., But when I used pycharm for Python programming, I was able to focus on the "program" instead of "editor".
12:58<rajulocal>I would be more than happy to change my recommendation if there is an editor that can beat IntelliJ tools in terms of usability.
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13:00<fll>rajulocal: I think you are trying to say that working with vim kinda makes you feel like you are multitasking
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13:05<rajulocal>fll: Not really. Vim has its place (ex:- remotely editing programs). You can also do everything that pycharm does in vim using plugins, changing configuration etc., But the thing is then you are spending all that time on "mastering your editor" than "mastering programming".
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13:15<Mister00X>Vim keybinds are neat nevertheless
13:16<Mister00X>I even use them in PyCharm
13:17<Noisytoot>You can also use them in Emacs
13:17<Mister00X>right with evil mode
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13:19<maxrazer>Does anyone know how to play a DVD-Audio disc on Debian?
13:19<rajulocal>Mister00X: Yes, agreed.
13:20<ullbeking>I'd like to learn how to use/configure/etc the drivers for Intels iGPU's, siluch as the P630, which is on the E3-1245 V6, which I'm about to build a system with. How can I check upstream as to status and docs for driver for this iGPU?
13:20<ullbeking>How do I know these drivers are enabled?
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13:31<tarzeau>maxrazer: ocp can do so...
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13:33<maxrazer>this? https://stian.cubic.org/project-ocp.php
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13:35<maxrazer>Ok, I'm running it now. Seems confusing terminal application
13:37<maxrazer>I don't think I'm going to figure that program out.
13:38<tarzeau>maxrazer: yes you can actually apt install it
13:38<maxrazer>I found it and did. I couldn't figure it out.
13:38<tarzeau>it does't show your dvd audio disc?
13:38<maxrazer>It just looked like a terminal list of stuff and I saw cd-rom and selected that, but nothing I could figure out.
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13:39<tarzeau>i see, and file -s /dev/sr0 says what on your dvd audio disc?
13:39<tarzeau>because i've never heard of audio dvd, only audio cd-rom
13:39<maxrazer>/dev/sr0: UDF file system data (version 1.5) 'ALBUM TITLE'
13:40<tarzeau>you burnt that yourself? udf file system data doesn
13:40<tarzeau>'t sound like a dvd audio, but more like a UDF file system with audio tracks?
13:40<maxrazer>No, I did not. It is original stamped disc.
13:40<tarzeau>can you mount it?
13:41<tarzeau>aha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
13:41<maxrazer>It is moutned to /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0
13:42<tarzeau>and ls -la shows anything in there?
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13:43<maxrazer>Yes, I see files
13:43<tarzeau>can you aplay/play them? otherwise there's some software listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio
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13:43<tarzeau>or run file on those files? probably cdda
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13:44<maxrazer>There is authoring tools. I don't see playing. https://dvd-audio.sourceforge.io/
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13:45<tarzeau>vlc i saw
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13:45<tarzeau>but there was a note about copy protection...
13:45<maxrazer>It does say VLC. I tried VLC though. VLC did play the menu
13:49<maxrazer>Maybe foobar with that plugin in wine.
13:49<Mister00X>ullbeking: you could try searching on linux-hardware.org for your device ID there are unfortunately only 9 devices registered it seems https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search&deviceid=591D#list
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13:57<ullbeking>Mister00X: thank you!! the iGPU on the CPU I am planning to use is on that list, but all the implementations listed are in PCI card form... does this mean the integrated GPU -- even though it's the same as the one on the Intel E3-1245v6 CPU -- won't be supported?
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13:59<ullbeking>or maybe one of the search fields is off?
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14:00<blast007>ullbeking: the PCIe controller is in the CPU, so the iGPU can be attached with PCIe inside the same package. The same thing is done for other stuff like USB controllers, networking (both wired and wireless), etc.
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14:01<blast007>There isn't (yet) any consumer available PCIe add-on card with an Intel graphics core.
14:01<blast007>Intel iGPUs are well supported on Linux, so unless you're using a very recent one it shouldn't be an issue.
14:02<ullbeking>blast007: how do I confirm that using linux-hardware.org ?
14:02<ullbeking>thank you for the info, btw
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14:03<ullbeking>in the list above, it says PCI, not PCI-e bus... my point is i am trying to interpret how to find a GPU that is on the PCI-e bus and connected to the CPU/SoC?
14:04<blast007>why are you worrying about that?
14:04<ullbeking>i'm trying to learn how to use the search tool and how to interpret its results
14:05<blast007>what are you actually trying to discover though?
14:05<ullbeking>will the iGPU (Intel P630) on my E3-1245v6 be supported by Debian?
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14:06<ullbeking>https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97473/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v6-8m-cache-3-70-ghz.html
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14:07<blast007>I would think an iGPU in a chip from 2017 would be quite well supported
14:08<ullbeking>thank you blast007
14:08<blast007>I'm pretty sure I've, at some point, tested a graphical interface on my E3-1225 v5 which has a P530
14:09<ullbeking>whoa! can you _please_ explain what this page means? https://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:8086-591d-15d9-0884 ....
14:09<ullbeking>i'm actually considering buying that very same mainboard !!
14:09<ullbeking>coincidence :D
14:10<ullbeking>nvm
14:10<ullbeking>i think i can figure it out myself
14:10<ullbeking>my main question has been answered, thank you blast007
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14:15<maxrazer>tarzeau: I got foobar2000 to play it with the component add-on.
14:15<blast007>ullbeking: I'm using both older and newer intel iGPUs, including whatever is in an i7-3770 from 2012, an i5-8265U from 2018, and a M-5Y10c from 2014
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14:16<ullbeking>blast007: and it "just worked"? or did you need to enable non-free or something like that?
14:17<blast007>I think there is some (optional?) firmware for newer chips
14:17<blast007>!i915 firmware
14:17<dpkg>Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
14:18<blast007>!i915
14:18<dpkg>The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, from the i810, i915 and 945 series to the more recent UHD and Iris, but not the <GMA 500>. Firmware is required for some models; see <i915 firmware>. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net.
14:18<ullbeking>yes, indeed, i get a lot of errors re: i915 and i945
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14:19<ullbeking>what is a good way of suppressing these errors, either by using an alternative driver, or using non-free, or some other way?
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14:20<blast007>Linux can be noisy about stuff. Unless you're actually having issues, you can generally just ignore it.
14:20<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, it is hard to avoid needing the non-free firmware, for something.
14:20<ullbeking>maybe dpkg's adv
14:20<ullbeking>maybe dpkg's advice is relevant?
14:20<tarzeau>maxrazer: cool
14:21<blast007>impossible to say without knowing what error you're talking about
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14:21<Sqrt{not}>you will see explicit firmware errors, the error message will probably name the exact firmware file it wants to load
14:21<ullbeking>how do i reproduce the list that systemd produces on startup where you have [OK] or [FAIL] at the start of each line?
14:22<ullbeking>OK in green, FAIL in red, etc
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14:23<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, the firmware is non-free, only in the sense that the source code for it is not public
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14:26<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, as root, do this: dmesg | grep -i irmware
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14:29<ullbeking>Afk brb
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14:32<ullbeking>dpkg: are you particularly familiar with non-free firmware for iGPU's?
14:32<dpkg>ullbeking: i haven't a clue
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14:32<Mister00X> dpkg is a bot
14:32<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Mister00X
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14:33<ullbeking>Lol!!!
14:34<jhutchins>ullbeking: The problem with trying to predict hardware support is that it requires someone to maintain the web page and database, someone to buy exactly that hardware and try it, then report the results to the database.
14:34<blast007>ullbeking: above, when I typed "!i915 firmware" it was to trigger dpkg to write out the information about i915 firmware
14:35<jhutchins>One of the things we used to recommend to someone who was desperate for support on specific hardware is that they buy the hardware and send it to the developers. This sometimes actually worked for sound and graphics cards.
14:36<Mister00X>btw does dpkg have an escape character?
14:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 744] by debhelper
14:38<blast007>Mister00X: I just type something else first, such as the name of who I'm telling that dpkg is a bot :)
14:38<Mister00X>blast007: Thanks. noted
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14:47<ullbeking>"19:26 <Sqrt{not}> ullbeking, as root, do this: dmesg | grep -i irmware" I did this on an issue with a related issue, and realized everything there worked OK because it had i915 iGPU and nonfree-firmware package installed
14:47<ullbeking>s/issue/machine/
14:48<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, OK, I suggested it for your current problem machine, to find out what firmware it might be missing?
14:48<ullbeking>My point is this... With i915, those machines are fine
14:48<Noisytoot>ullbeking: Why search for "irmware" instead of "firmware"?
14:49<tarzeau>
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14:49<petn-randall>Noisytoot: My guess would have been because of capitalization, but the command already includes -i.
14:50<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, if you have if you have the non free firmware package installed, that will solve most such problems. Is it installed on the machine we are talking about?
14:50<ullbeking>Sqrt{not}: there is no problem with the P630 iGPU (as opposed to the i915) because I am taking precautions before buying other he to build the system.
14:50<Sqrt{not}>ahhh, we are talking about a theoretical machine that you are considering to build.
14:51<ullbeking>That is, I haven't built the machine with the P630 iGPU yet, and I wanted to ask what I can reasonably expect
14:51<ullbeking>Yes
14:51<ullbeking>Due diligence
14:52<ullbeking>Because the thing is, if it DOES work in the kernel, then that influences what main board I will buy
14:52<jhutchins>ullbeking: I guess I'm not really paying attention. If you're specifically asking about a graphics card, x.org has a database of supported chipsets.
14:53<ullbeking>I will get a "workstation" board with IPMI, instead of a server board and dGPU, etc
14:53<ullbeking>Ty jhutchins
14:55<ullbeking>I would rather a board supported by libre drivers, but can that provide 1080p or 4k for an HTPC?
14:56<Sqrt{not}>ullbeking, If you are afraid of the non-free firmware, I think you should be even more afraid of IPMI and such remote-control schemes
14:57<ullbeking>Sqrt{not}: I'm working on OpdnBMC, for a start
14:57<ullbeking>OpenBMC*
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14:58<ullbeking>But I'm NOT afraid of non-free in the meantime
14:59<tecno>emerosom
14:59<tecno>nlhlj
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15:00<ullbeking>If I need to get a job done then libre computing will not be allowed to trip me up
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15:01<ullbeking>It's all on the path to more libre computing, but libre computing can feel like a prison sometimes
15:01<ullbeking>If implemented to the extreme
15:02<Sqrt{not}>There is discussion about re-classifying secret firmware as not exactly "non-free" but also not exactly "libre"
15:02<blast007>yeah - for instance, if you limit yourself to free software, you won't be able to use anything newer than 802.11n wifi (as ac and ax require non-free firmware in all current drivers)
15:03<Noisytoot>Sqrt{not}: What do you mean by "secret"?
15:04<Sqrt{not}>Noisytoot, I mean you don't see the source code of the firmware you load into all your devices
15:04<ullbeking>You mean blobs?
15:04<topyli>sounds like non-free to me :)
15:04<Noisytoot>How can that be classified as anything other than non-free?
15:05<Sqrt{not}>yes, firmware blobs are usually offered without source code
15:06<ullbeking>jhutchins: I can't find this page on x.org. do u have a link plz?
15:06<Sqrt{not}>Noisytoot, I just point out that this is being discussed. This channel is probably not the appropriate place for such a discussion.
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15:21<jhutchins>ullbeking: Let me see.
15:23<jhutchins>ullbeking: You might get better help in #xorg. I'd start with a google search for the chipsets, becuse that'll usually link to the driver.
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15:24<jhutchins>Try this in your search engine: intel site:http://www.x.org/wiki/
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15:26<DwarfSec>kernel 4.19.0-13 is giving me kernel panics, should I try to fix it in emergency mode or just use 4.19.0-12 which works
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15:30<blast007>DwarfSec: there is a -14 version out as well, bit if you install that make sure that the -12 version doesn't get removed in case -14 also breaks for you
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15:31<sney>DwarfSec: it's usually safe to hold the kernel at an older revision to keep a system working. You can make sure by looking at the changelong to see if any updates are important to you (warning, long) from here to 4.19.152-1: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux-signed-amd64/changelog-4.19.1712
15:31<DwarfSec>sorry yeah just saw that and It boots, lol nvm
15:31<sney>ah, there you go then
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15:33<jhutchins>,kernels
15:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
15:33<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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15:37<ullbeking>jhutchins: thank you
15:38<ullbeking>Sqrt{not}: blast007: Mister00X: thank you to you all too. I now have enough to get me on my path :-)
15:40<jhutchins>ullbeking: Just get hardware you can return if it's not supported, make use of search engines, and be brave!
15:40<jhutchins>I think Tom's Hardware usually mentions linux compatibility in their reviews.
15:40<ullbeking>Thanks again for the kind words jhutchins !!! <3
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15:41<sney>in case nobody mentioned this: intel is a major linux kernel contributor. so anything they make, if it isn't supported yet, it almost certainly will be before long
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15:41<sney>there have been a handful of exceptions over the years, but nothing recently afaik
15:41<jhutchins>ullbeking: To be honest, it's been a long time since I did component builds. I usually go with (returnable) refurb systems from MicroCenter.
15:42<jhutchins>ullbeking: Dell has pretty good linux support, they even sell systems with linux installed (usually Ubuntu).
15:43<huhuhu>Lenovo too?
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15:43<ullbeking>I'm finishing off a few projects I started, having a massive hardware clear out, and starring a new job in a few weeks (maybe).
15:43<jhutchins>huhuhu: They're usually pretty good, but I get better deals on the Dells.
15:44<huhuhu>I see.
15:44<jhutchins>I just realized that this new laptop doesn't have a camera!
15:44<ullbeking>In the future I'll be purchasing already Integrated systems
15:44<sney>the Big 3 (dell, lenovo, hp) have pretty reliable linux support in their *business* class models specifically. the consumer stuff is all over the place, and not guaranteed to work at all
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15:45<ullbeking>I am keen to see how this PowerPC laptop project works out
15:45<jhutchins>sney: I bought an HP laptop and it was just about unusable with Windows.
15:45<ullbeking>I use Lenovo X200 .. X230 and install coreboot.
15:46<jhutchins>sney: It kept trying to re-set any customizations I made, like differernt browser.
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15:46<sney>jhutchins: every OEM makes duds sometimes, what's your point?
15:49<blast007>HP just tends to do it more often than Dell, in my experience
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15:52<blast007>I had HP servers that came pre-installed with Windows Server and couldn't successfully reboot without a BIOS update. I had HP laptops that came with mismatched antennas (either 1 antenna with a dual antenna card or the other way around). I had HP desktops that had a defect with their displayport that caused wavy lines on the right.
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15:54<huhuhu>What do You think about Acer/Asus?
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15:54<sney>I had a whole pallet worth of dell desktops with bad dvd drives, and a profoundly stupid warranty runaround getting the OEM to fix it. I've had more thinkpad shenanigans than I can count off the top of my head. and yes, I've had to replace a lot of hard drives in HPs over the years. But if I'm buying a $500 refurbished computer, I'll buy one of those 3 brands without even really looking at which one it is
15:55<sney>acer and asus are usually fine, just stay FAR away from their budget models
15:57<blast007>oh yeah.. on those same HP desktops, the SATA cable for the DVD drive would short out after a while, melt, and scorch the back of the DVD drive.
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15:59<blast007>I don't like the touchpad on my Dell Latitude 3400 though.. no buttons and tapping to click tends to move the mouse a bit, so clicking accuracy is a bit "meh".
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16:13<jochum>I'm using IBM and then Lenovo laptops since a long time, not that they got better in quality.
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16:27<matheth444>hello
16:27<matheth444>i have a problem enabling bluetooth on Debian 10 Buster
16:28<matheth444>mainly i get the error "Unable to get on D-Bus"
16:28<matheth444>any ideas how to fix this?
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16:31<jhutchins>matheth444: What's it say in dmesg?
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16:32<matheth444>[ 19.085978] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22 [ 19.086008] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [ 19.086014] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [ 19.086018] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [ 19.086028] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
16:32<matheth444>```[ 19.085978] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22 [ 19.086008] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [ 19.086014] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [ 19.086018] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [ 19.086028] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized```
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16:49<sss3cg>i did "systemctl disable syslog" but when i try to enable it again i get "Unit file syslog.service does not exist". why? i need to create the unit file again manually?
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16:55<jhutchins>sss3cg: You shouldn't have to. Try " service syslog start"
16:56<jhutchins>sss3cg: You might check to see if it's looking for the rsyslog service.
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16:58<sss3cg>jhutchins: "service syslog start" gives "Job for syslog.socket failed. [..] Failed to start syslog.service: Unit syslog.service not found."
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17:01<jhutchins>dpkg -l | grep syslog
17:01<dpkg>ii | grep syslog 2.9-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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17:01<jhutchins>(Forgot to escape the bot)
17:02<sss3cg>ii rsyslog 8.1901.0-1 amd64 reliable system and kernel logging daemon
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17:14<jhutchins>sss3cg: So does that give you any ideas?
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17:17<sss3cg>yes i did systemctl enable rsyslog and then systemctl start syslog
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17:18<sss3cg>ty
17:20<pentium3>From what I can tell, the hinted version of the Roboto font has been replaced by the unhinted. Is this correct? If so, why? Isn't the hinted version better?
17:22<jochum>nice nick pentium3
17:22<jochum>that was one of the best
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17:57<pentium3>Ah, managed to find out that Google has discontinued the hinted version.
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18:23<huhuhu>I can't display graphics in GPicView, but feh and LXImage have no problem. The graphics were created in GIMP in png format. Is it about some drivers?
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18:26<huhuhu>300 × 300 ppi, RGB color, 8-bit gamma integer, PNG image
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18:33<Sqrt{not}>huhuhu, what happens when you try in GPicView? Do you have all the depends installed for GPicView?
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18:38<huhuhu>I see black background only. This happened for the first time, and I want to know why the program suddenly stopped showing graphics. That is, for this graphic only.
18:39<huhuhu>I think I have all depends.
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18:48<jochum>huhuhu: not sure did you try to save the pic again with gimp?
18:48<jochum>somewhere else ofc
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18:51<huhuhu>https://www.udrop.com/dndO/platforma.png
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18:52<huhuhu>or here https://ibb.co/zGGcM1n
18:55<jhutchins>huhuhu: Something off in the file, possibly an incompatible format option.
18:56<jhutchins>huhuhu: png is a pretty solid standard, so I would suspect a bad file.
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18:56<huhuhu>But other programs can open it.
18:58<huhuhu>I try with SAVE RESOLUTION, SAVE BACKGROUND COLOR, in GIMP.
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18:59<huhuhu>I think why this is happening and I don't know how to check it, therefore I will just stop using this program.
19:00<Passerby>That sounds like a good idea.
19:00<Passerby>The PNG looks fine here, by the way. Nothing unusual shows up with exiftool, either.
19:00<huhuhu>So what is generally used on Debian, something proven?
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19:04<huhuhu>apt-cache depends gpicview, I have all libs, but I see: Recommends: xdg-utils
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19:06<huhuhu>what do you use in the desktop environment to display photos? something simple and what works?
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19:09<craigevil>mirage, and photoflare for the occassional minor edit
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19:11<jochum>i just use what came with my mate desktop, now using i3 with mate tools
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19:18<huhuhu>I think "feh" is good option.
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19:23<huhuhu>anyway thank You for hints
19:23<jochum>huhuhu: i'm using "eye of mate"
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19:25<jochum>dpkg: apt show eom
19:25<dpkg>jochum: are you smoking crack?
19:26<jochum>`eom
19:26<jochum>!eom
19:26<jochum>!show eom
19:26<jochum>whatever idk that bot
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19:28*jochum kicks the ass of the dpkg bot
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19:32<blast007>judd: info eom
19:32<judd>Package eom (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: Eye of MATE graphics viewer program. Version: 1.20.2-2; Size: 186.4k; Installed: 631k; Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/eom
19:32<jochum>thanks blast007
19:32<jochum>blast007: can it also show deps?
19:33<blast007>you're welcome
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19:33<Sqrt{not}>judd: depends eom
19:33<judd>Package eom in buster/amd64 -- depends: eom-common (= 1.20.2-2), librsvg2-common (>= 2.36.2), mate-desktop-common, shared-mime-info, libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libexempi8 (>= 2.5.0), libexif12 (>= 0.6.21-1~), libgdk-
19:33<judd>pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libgirepository-1.0-1 (>= 0.9.3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.21.5), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.2+git20110628), libmate-desktop-2-17 (>= 1.18), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpeas-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.36.2), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.2), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
19:34<blast007>There is also the https://packages.debian.org site
19:35<jochum>i know howto do this on console, but sometimes its quicker to ask judd to show it
19:35<jochum>:-)
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