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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-02-23

---Logopened Tue Feb 23 00:00:48 2021
---Daychanged Tue Feb 23 2021
00:00-!-craigevil [~craig@00012e49.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:00-!-craigevil is "craig" on #debian-offtopic #debian
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00:01-!-simonpatapon is "Simon Patapon" on #buddhism #debian-next #oftc #debian #bitlbee
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00:38-!-njoseph is "Joseph Nuthalapati" on #debian-gitlab #debian-fediverse #debian-social #debian-fasttrack #freedombox-ci #freedombox #debian-elixir #debian #freedombox-dev
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00:53-!-milkt is "debian" on #debian-games #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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01:26-!-andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan
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03:58-!-foka is "Anthony Fok" on #debian-devel-changes #debian-ci #debian-ayatana #debian #debconf18-taiwan #autodeb
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05:39-!-totemon is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on @#+#debian-es #debian
05:39<totemon>Hey. Tech support available here?
05:40<avu>!ask
05:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:42<totemon>I am having issues with my wifi connection in my laptop. I have a Broadcom BCM4313 wifi card that works pretty well with the router I have in my job, reaching nice speeds both download and upload. However, using the router I have at home the download speed is close to 0. I do not change anything from job to home in the computer
05:44<totemon>So I guess the problem is somewhere in the router. But I have no idea where to look at
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05:45-!-Fraggle2 is "Christian Britz" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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06:54<cpach>hi folks. how can i pass multiple options to the ssh client?
06:55<cpach>let's say i want to pass both ConnectionAttempts and ControlPath
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06:57<jm_>cpach: specify -o several times
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07:02<cpach>jm_: ty!
07:02<jm_>no problem
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08:01<Totemon>Hello all. Sorry, I needed to disconnect and I do not know if I got any answer of my previous question. I even do not know if it is possible to check older messages prior I connected
08:02<jm_>Totemon: no one replied, you can check irc logs
08:02<jm_>!irclogs
08:02<dpkg>it has been said that irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
08:03<Totemon>Thanks!
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10:16<a>hi all
10:16<a>anyone online?
10:16<Fraggle2>!ask
10:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
10:17<a>!ask
10:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
10:17<a>i am new to Debian and i would like to ask wich Debian distro is more stable?
10:18<a>i have KDE,cinamon and Xfce . I dont play games is only for default web and some movies only.
10:18<grove>? Stable is of course the most stable
10:18<grove>Those are DE's (Desktop Environments)
10:18<a>i have Debian 10 with 3 distro instaled
10:18<Fraggle2>you are meaning desktops, not distributions
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10:19<a>when i did solo Xfce i had some isues with isb for samsung galaxy s8 but after i installed kde and ciamon i dont know why is working now
10:19<a>usb cable
10:19<a>shall i use only kde or only cinamon?
10:19<Fraggle2>All have advantages and disadvantages, it is your choice. I currently use xfce, but have already used others
10:20<a>i like xfce also but i dont know why is not working usb for my mobile,if i use external hard drive is working
10:20<Fraggle2>choice of DE should not be related to USB connectivity. what did you try to achieve?
10:20<grove>I don't use any DE, but on stable all of them will be pretty non-moving and I think all of them are rather solid - covering both interpretations of stable
10:21<a>well i gave up win 10 recently and i see on my mother laptop i use linux Mint
10:21<a>4 debie
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10:21<a>and i see bloothoot and usb i tryed to fix
10:21<a>but i dont want Linux mint and i wanted debian Xfce only
10:22<a>the problem is that i dont know how to fix usb conectivity eror
10:22<Fraggle2>what exactly is the problem with your mobile? what are you trying to achieve?
10:22<a>usb and bloetooth
10:22<a>well is not connecting
10:22<a>when conect usb to laptop i cant see nothing
10:22<Fraggle2>"is not connecting" does not mean anything.
10:23<a>i mean i cant enter to the mobile folders to copy paste to laptop
10:23<a>but i see on KDE and cinamon it is working usb
10:23<a>so i dont know what fixed i mean what drivers kde or cinamon has
10:23<a>do you guys know what driver can be that fixed the problem?
10:24<Fraggle2>wait a sec, I am trying it myself
10:24<a>i explained wrong 1 min
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10:24<a>so i have debian 10 buster with 3 destop enviroments Xfce,kde and cinamon
10:25<a>and when i installed solo Xfce it did not worked ,but when i installed all 3 togheter it worked
10:25<a>i mean now if i swich from kde to xfce is working
10:25<Fraggle2>It is working for me immediately when I plugin my Samsung A50. It is shown in the file brwoser and on the xfce desktop
10:25<a>i only wated to have 1 desktop enviroment instead 3 :)
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10:25<a>yes but you have only XFCE intalled?
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10:26<a>or you have togheter other destkop enviroments ?
10:26<Fraggle2>OK, probably some package needed was installed as a dependency, can't tell you which. I have gnome installed aditionally.
10:26<a>i understand ,well i guess i must use all 3 now:)
10:26<a>linux is awsome
10:27<Fraggle2>no
10:27<Fraggle2>you can leave them installed, but can also remove them. If USB file access does not work then come back here.
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10:29<Fraggle2>you can definitely make it work with xfce
10:30<a>thank you
10:30<a>wish you to have a good day
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10:38<grove>I've more or less given up on getting a stable USB connection to my android phone (should that be plural when I've tried with several phone over the years?). And although I got the phone and my laptop to pair via bluetooth I haven't found any tool for copying stuff either to or from the phone using that. So I mostly start an FTP server on the phone when I need to move data on/off it
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10:41<Fraggle2>regarding the mobile ohone, usb works quite well for me, bluetooth is a miracle when it works or not
10:41<Fraggle2>grove: DEs seem to have support for transfering files over bluetooth
10:42<Fraggle2>the blueman-applet for example. but I use USB.
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10:44<Fraggle2>grove: apps on the phone like the image gallery seem to know the paired devices and offer file transfer
10:44<Fraggle2>but until I make it work I have transfered the stuff via usb 10 times
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11:08<grove>Fraggle2: Using the pairing I had established and blueman-applet I am able to transfer files to my phone, but when I try to transfer files the other way, it seems like the transfer starts and a notification appears on my laptop saying so, but after a while my phone says that the transfer failed,
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11:09<grove>- and looking in the folder where blueman-applet seems configured to store incoming files there is nothing new
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12:50<duszek>I have a failing HDD from which I want to backup & restore Debian, at least part of it so I won't have to configure it from the beginning, any way it can be accomplished?
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12:52<sney>!ddrescue
12:52<dpkg>dd_rescue (packaged for Debian as ddrescue) is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, dd_rescue will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ See also <gddrescue>.
12:53<duszek>sney: but I have an encrypted partition and it will take 40 hours to backup completely
12:54<sney>how badly is it failing? can you chroot in, does apt work? you can clone your list of packages if so
12:54<duszek>sney: is there any way to lessen? there is about 25GB of data and my partition is 250GB
12:55<sney>partclone skips empty disk space, you could back up an image that way
12:57<duszek>sney: when I backup an image (it is encrypted), it backups EVERYTHING and not just necessary data
12:57<duszek>sney: any way around it?
12:57<sney>if that's with lvm, there might be a specialized tool for it
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12:58<duszek>I guess Partclone is unaware of encrypted partition and instead it copies it as raw, which is inefficient. Any way around this?
12:59<sney>I would think that you could use partclone on the /dev/mapper node with it unlocked in a live environment, though I haven't tried personally
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13:40<IPFreely> in /usr/share/fonts/ can I just dump all my fonts in there, disregarding the directories such as truetype/ ?
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14:33<somiaj>IPFreely: In general you should not put files or modify any files in /usr/, all files there should be controled by packages and dpkg.
14:34<sarnold>(/usr/local/ is yours to do what you please)
14:34<somiaj>IPFreely: Are you wanting these fonts for multiple users, or just your single user, using $HOME/.fonts/ should make them available to your user and be a safe place to put them. If you want locally installed fonts, /usr/local/share/fonts/ should work
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14:37<IPFreely>somiaj: for multiple users
14:38<IPFreely> /usr/local/ it is then. :)
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14:42<somiaj>In general (though I'm sure there are exceptions), /usr/local has the same FHS has /usr, and files put in /usr/local will be used in place of /usr if they exist. This allows the system admin to install locally installed software independent of the system (dpkg/apt) software in /usr
14:43<somiaj>Also allows for local overrides that don't conflict with the package files, though anything there you are fully responsible to manage, security updates, or deal with any issues with
14:44<somiaj>though /opt is another place that is common to use, in /opt you usally put stuff that is self contained and doesn't split itself apart in the the FHS
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14:58<live>hi
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15:00<scm>Good afternoon, all.
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16:22<sney>hi
16:22<s4masutay>is here new Man :)
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16:23<petn-randall>s4masutay: What do you mean?
16:23<s4masutay>Im sorry im just try
16:24<s4masutay>my from Russia/Uktha
16:25<petn-randall>s4masutay: No worries! Feel free to ask Debian question here in english. If you're more comfortable with russian, there's:
16:25<petn-randall>!ru
16:25<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
16:25<sney>to learn more about irc, go to https://netsplit.de/
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16:26<s4masutay>Thank you for supporting me.
16:26<s4masutay>See you
16:26<s4masutay>:) Greetings to Turkey
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16:27<s4masutay>Is Debian turkey channel?
16:27<s4masutay>help me
16:27<sney>!tr
16:27<dpkg>hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
16:28<s4masutay>Thank You Good bye
16:28<sarnold>poka poka
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16:50<dreamer>I'm trying to run pipewire as a system service but get a `RTKit error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied` and similar errors. any debian stable thing I'm running into/
16:51<dreamer>it's latest master pipewire I built myself. running as user works, but I want to try system-wide daemon
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17:00<somiaj>Why must it be a system service? The dbus is probably started as a user server with your desktop.
17:00<dreamer>because I want mpd
17:00<somiaj>still why must it be system? Could a user service work for this case?
17:01<dreamer>when would it run then?
17:01<dreamer>I want it to run before and after I log into my computer
17:02<sarnold>dreamer: search for enable-linger in loginctl(1) -- that might do what you want
17:03<dreamer>mpd.service has no login
17:03<somiaj>I think user services can do that, I haven't used them. Also it might be that you need to set the dependices correct, maybe you can get systemd to launch dbus and the likes. You may also find pipwire support more helpful as they may understand this service better tahn we do
17:04<dreamer>anyway these are the errors I get on pipewire atm. mpd isn't running yet: https://bpa.st/3E6JG
17:04<dreamer>yes I'm in pipewire channel. I'm just wondering if it's specific to debian configuration
17:05<dreamer>I don't know enough about dbus and user sessions to say anything useful
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17:05<dreamer>I've been ignoring systemd for the most part after the whole init-systems debacle
17:05<dreamer>it's there on most of my machines, but I use it in the most basic way
17:06<dreamer>I've never used pulseaudio, but pipewire seems worthwhile to use
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17:10<jochum>is pipewire as good as jack?
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17:11<jochum>I don't know much about audio, i just listen music all the time over pulseaudio and a low-end soundsystem
17:11<dreamer>it doesn't support full jack api yet
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17:11<dreamer>a friend has been testing it out
17:11<dreamer>cv ports don't show properly atm
17:12<dreamer>not sure about session management either. ladish should still be able to run
17:12<jochum>so pipewire is the future?
17:12<dreamer>probably, yes
17:12<jochum>Good to know
17:12<jochum>thanks
17:12<dreamer>in my studio I will probably still run jack on a separate interface
17:13<dreamer>probably won't be in debian stable till 12 I expect
17:13<jochum>I've heard that pa is not realtime by all means, pipewire is?
17:13<dreamer>first fedora can break+fix things the coming 2 years (it'll be default there from next release)
17:13<jochum>same as jack
17:13<dreamer>pipewire aims to have low latency audio threads, yes
17:13<dreamer>and containerization
17:14<jochum>flatpack support sounds great
17:14<dreamer>freedesktop is pushing flatpak and such (I don't like it)
17:14<ronoaldo>on testing, can we use apt-add-repository to add a PPA? it seems to don't import the GPG key, I had to do the final step manually.
17:14<jochum>I'm no friend of snap, realy loopback devices for fs, argh
17:15<jochum>ronoaldo: hmm i've been using apt-add before, worked with gpg here
17:15<jochum>On testing
17:16<ronoaldo>ok, maybe I messed up with the settings then... thanks!
17:16<jochum>ronoaldo: or the repo is broken
17:16<ronoaldo>it could be, I just tested with a single PPA...
17:16<ronoaldo>I'll test more
17:17<jochum>!de
17:17<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org
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17:19<jochum>ronoaldo: just tested "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/apache2"
17:19<jochum>worked
17:19<jochum>ronoaldo: ohh no it didn't
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17:21<jochum>ronoaldo: ok, not working here. Sorry for giving wrong infos
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17:24<duclicsic>ronoaldo: you shouldn't add ubuntu PPAs to debian, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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17:50<ronoaldo>duclicsic: thanks! I knew that info. I used the PPA because it basically contains only one package, and I know the authors as well.
17:50<ronoaldo>jochum: it errored while adding the gpg key?
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17:51<ronoaldo>the package is a new upstream of the minetest game from debian so it was safe to test it out while detecting a bug in my custom preview build. using the PPA removes that noise while we are testing.
17:51<jochum>ronoaldo: yes
17:52<ronoaldo>i guess that thew new apt-key policies are incompatible with the apt-add-repository
17:54<ronoaldo>but that is a rough guess
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18:59<jhutchins>ronoaldo: In that case, part of your process would be to discover and document the process to add the repo manually, and make that info available on the evetual publication web site.
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20:49<dreamer>hmz, so something is resetting the permissions on `/run/pipewire/pipewire-0`
20:50<dreamer>the socket config says `SocketMode=0770` but in fact it gets `0755`
20:51<dreamer>originally it was set to `0660` actually, but I want it at `0770`
20:51<dreamer>it has een `0755` throughout my testing so far
20:51<sarnold>what's the execute bit do on a socket?
20:52<sarnold>(is it, in fact, a socket?)
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20:54<dreamer>yeah it should only need rw
20:55<dreamer>`0660` is fine I guess. but it's not this!
20:56<dreamer>ok, so when it's created it's `srw-rw---- 1 pipewire pipewire 0 Feb 24 02:56 pipewire-0` then I try to access it and it changes to -rw-r----- 1 pipewire pipewire 0 Feb 24 02:56 pipewire-0.lock
20:56<dreamer>srwxr-xr-x 1 pipewire pipewire 0 Feb 24 02:56 pipewire-0
20:57<dreamer>something is setting +x and removing group +w
20:57<dreamer>it's driving me nuts
20:58<dreamer>I'm also seeing rtkit errors in the journal of pipewire.service
20:58<sarnold>is that the dbus error from earlier?
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20:58<dreamer>yeah: https://bpa.st/4HVXW
20:58<sarnold>my guess there is a mismatch between session bus vs system bus, but I really don't grok dbus well
20:58<dreamer>but that is a result of the socket permissions
20:58<dreamer>if I manually set it to 0660 it works
20:59<dreamer>I just don't know what is changing it to 0755
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21:09<sarnold>dreamer: okay... here's an idea, try: sudo perf record -a -e syscalls:sys_exit_chmod,syscalls:sys_exit_fchmod,syscalls:sys_exit_fchmodat,syscalls:sys_enter_chmod,syscalls:sys_enter_fchmod,syscalls:sys_enter_fchmodat sleep 60 --- then try doing whatver it is that kicks off the permission change. then you should be able to see some process information about the process that changed the modes via sudo
21:09<sarnold>perf script
21:10<sarnold>dreamer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZwNQvgG7Wj/ -- while that 'sleep 15' is running, I did some chmod commands in another terminal
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21:10<dreamer>ok, let me check the flow
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21:11<dreamer>`/usr/bin/perf: line 13: exec: perf_5.6: not found`
21:12<dreamer>there are 5.10 and 5.9 packages
21:12<dreamer>why is it trying explicitely 5.6?
21:13<dreamer>and I've installed every possible linux-perf-* package
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21:14<dreamer>maybe one of these flags is actually deprecated?
21:14<sney>dreamer: /usr/bin/perf is a shell script, it calls the version based on the running kernel
21:14<dreamer>oh
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21:14<sney>dreamer: you can just call the versioned binary instead
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21:15<dreamer>ok
21:15<dreamer>no output
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21:16<dreamer>ah
21:16<dreamer>[ perf record: Woken up 4 times to write data ]
21:16<dreamer>[ perf record: Captured and wrote 1.858 MB perf.data (42 samples)
21:17<dreamer>ok, what can we now do with this data?
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21:17<dreamer>I have no idea what I just recorded :)
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21:17<sney>pastebin it, since it was sarnold's suggestion he probably has your follow-up ideas
21:17<dreamer>I do think I need a new kernel
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21:18<dreamer>it's binary data :P
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21:18<sney>with the followup 'perf script' command?
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21:22<dreamer>ok: https://bpa.st/4QF5S
21:24<sarnold>0x000001ed == 0755
21:24<sarnold>bummer about the filename pointers :(
21:24<dreamer>aha
21:24<sarnold>buuuut that shows both pipewire *and* -session setting permissions
21:27<dreamer>they're both setting it wrong :P
21:28<dreamer>they should actually not touch it
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22:17<dreamer>hmm, maybe it's https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1793714.html ?
22:17<dreamer>although the are running as user
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23:42<TruWrecks>Building a ZFS NAS and trying to share a volume with SAMBA and it is not working. Firewall allows SAMBA and users are configured. Windows cannot login.
23:43<TruWrecks>Already sset password with smbpasswd -a username
23:43<TruWrecks>Still no luck.
23:44<TruWrecks>I have CIFS-utils and SAMBA 1.0 installed on Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Home.
23:45<sney>windows doesn't need anything extra installed to use samba shares.
23:45<sney>did you start from this article, or how did you figure out what to put in smb.conf? https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_a_Standalone_Server
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23:46<TruWrecks>Server is Debian 10.8 with SAMBA Version 4.9.5-Debian
23:47<TruWrecks>I had a different guide but let me try that one.
23:48<sney>here's a tip, windows uses "access denied" as a general error for network shares, even if the problem has nothing to do with user accounts or permissions. samba's log will have much more useful information than windows errors.
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