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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-03-01

---Logopened Mon Mar 01 00:00:59 2021
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00:48<joostvb>freem: you could start by working on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=runit
00:48<joostvb>freem: report on work to reproduce those bugs, try to create patches
00:49<joostvb>freem: subscribe to debian-init-diversity@chiark.greenend.org.uk
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04:14<freem>sney: for now I'll start lurking there, while I read stuff :)
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04:15<freem>joostvb: what's that ML?
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05:07<joostvb>freem: debian and devuan people working together on various inits on various debian related systems
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05:08<freem>ohhh nice!
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05:09<freem>thanks a lot, that ML will be interesting to me
05:09<freem>(hopefully it's reasonably troll-free)
05:11<joostvb>freem: yes it is
05:11<freem>\o/
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06:59<henk>Hi, I have an issue with apache: I’m trying to (re)start it and there is no meaningful error message anywhere to be seen, see http://ix.io/2Riq this is with "LogLevel trace8" in apache2.conf already but there is still no error to be seen. Any advice how to get apache to provide more info what its problem is?
07:03<duclicsic>henk: no useful output from 'apachectl configtest' ?
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07:05<henk>duclicsic: yeah, it just says »Syntax OK« (and the other errors it also puts in the error.log that are already in the paste mentioned before)
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08:28<henk>duclicsic: FYI: trial&error and going through the git log of the config management I found: the ssl cert changed and at first it was only the leaf cert without chain. then it was only the chain. all of that failed of course. then the cert didn’t match the key because I was using the config management incorrectly. All of that failed without meaningful errors, which is a bit disappointing /-:
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09:38<Earnest>Hello
09:39<Earnest>I am trying to do a 'new to me' thing, and I'm running into an error I don't know how to resolve.
09:39<Earnest>Following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PINEA64
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09:39<Earnest>When the board boots, it errors at initrd /initrd.gz
09:39<Earnest>Fails to load that.
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09:40<Earnest>I tried removing the initrd file (which is all that's in the initrd.gz) and referencing it directly, but that had the same error.
09:40<Earnest>Any idea how I can resolve this or at least get a more verbose error?
09:42<Earnest>Specifically, it says 'Retrieving file: /initrd.gz'
09:42<Earnest>Then ''ailed to load '/initrd.gz'
09:43<Earnest>spelling is correct
09:43<Earnest>Sorry if this is the wrong place, the www.debian.org/support page suggested this channel. :)
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09:47<petn-randall>Earnest: Does /initrd.gz exist on the filesystem?
09:47<Earnest>indeed
09:47<Earnest>it is in the root
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09:48<Earnest>worried that was a problem, it is also in the directory extlinux where the extlinux.conf is located
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09:49<Earnest>it is in the same places that the linux file is located, and that does not error
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09:51<jhutchins>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd
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09:56<Sqrt{not}>Earnest, why is initrd.gz "also in the directory extlinux" ?
09:57<Earnest>Oh I added it there once to just check that the 'root' directory wasn't for some reason being seen as the directory with the conf file in it.
09:57<Earnest>I currently have the exact file setup as the instruction page tells me to have, as well as the .conf file the same.
09:59<Earnest>https://i.imgur.com/qiX892C.png
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10:02<Earnest>'shot of the screen' of the failure: https://i.imgur.com/aCgNuh6.png
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10:16<Earnest>hello
10:16<jhutchins>Earnest: Do you hvae pine64 hardware?
10:16<Earnest>Yes
10:16<Earnest>A64.
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10:17<Earnest>Revision B
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10:17<Earnest>It's 'old' in the scheme of SBCs. hehe
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10:18<Earnest>I don't think any OS ran on it at all, not properly, when I got it. :)
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11:30<jhutchins>Earnest: the initrd in root is usually a symlink to an actual file in /boot
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12:29<Guest331>anyone here that was here yesterday? we were discussing the issues with debian live dvd
12:30<Guest331>usr xfce live dd to a 1TB USB drive I have been able to boot debian xfce live.
12:30<Guest331>there are several issues with the live dvd
12:30<milkt>Guest331: which issue are you having?
12:31<Guest331>alt-mouse scroll zooms the entire desktop. the VC are visible and work.
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12:32<Guest331>however shift+page-up or shift+page-down does nothing. this is broken.
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12:37<Guest331>gpm does not paste
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12:38<Guest331>in vc
12:39<Guest331>the VC are screen after screen of errors. stop the error streaming with sudo dmesg -n1
12:39<Guest331>sudo passwd root allows the root passwd to be set.
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12:41<Guest331>using an USB drive instead of a dvd or usb finger drive allows for additional software to be installed.
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12:41<Guest331>bb; ;umch time
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12:49<Guest331>i am not impressed with the debian live dvd.
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12:53<jmcnaught>Guest331: scrolling back in virtual consoles was disabled for security reasons in the last year. It might be a similar situation with GPM.
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12:55<jmcnaught>Guest331: sudo is without password on Debian live because they're read-only media and using a well-known password would be silly. You can install software on booted Debian Live but it installs only to memory, it does not persist.
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12:56<jmcnaught>They're not meant to be used as a daily driver, they're handy for testing things out, and doing quick fixes to unbootable systems.
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12:59<Guest331>jmcnaught, if i am running debian live from a dvd, i cannot install any additional software because the disk it listed as 100% used.
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13:02<jmcnaught>Guest331: I just booted Debian Live in a VM but from a virtual DVD and I was able to install software. The rootfs is an overlay.
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13:04<jrgcombr>is there a reason for debian to use a own fork from original Paul Vixie cron instead of cronie?
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13:06<Earnest>jhutchins - Well I'm confused by the instructions, I guess. I feel I'm following them exactly. :/
13:06<jmcnaught>jrgcombr: /usr/share/doc/cron/README.Debian lists some of the changes that Debian has made
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13:09<jrgcombr>I found it, I´m it asking because a I found a bug with pam integration that has been already solved in cronie
13:10<bremner>cronie is in debian experimental, fwiw
13:11<bremner>although it looks like the uploader lost interest
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13:12<bremner>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=974038
13:12<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/974038 in wnpp (open): «RFA: cronie -- Process Scheduling Deamon»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-11-09; last modified: 2020-11-09.
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13:14<Guest331>jmcnaught, burn a dvd and boot from it. you will not be able to install software. B.S.E.E. University of Illinois, Urbana-CHampaign, IL
13:14<Guest331>I know how to troubleshoot issues.
13:15<Guest333>Hi! I am trying to verify my debian image with "gpg -v --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv 6294BE9B", but I receive "Server indicated a failure". Any ideas?
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13:16<jmcnaught>Guest331: okay but I'm not sure how it would different from using a virtual DVD drive on a VM. Can you make a pastebin of the command and output you got when you tried to install something?
13:16<grove>Guest333: That command works fine here. Can you put the complete interaction on a pastebin?
13:18<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, Did you actually try to install additional software, when running from a dvd? If so, what was the error message?
13:18<Guest333>@grove: Thanks! Here is my pastebin. https://pastebin.com/NzkUF0JV
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13:21<grove>Guest331: I wouldn't expect many people to be willing to spend a DVD (or ever having a blank one, I gave the rest of mine away a couple of years ago) and time - and have a machine to boot it on (I don't have a machine with a DVD-drive I can boot right now) to test things
13:22<grove>!localised errors
13:22<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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13:23<grove>(I can read german well enough to understand it, but I would like an error message that I can search for)
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13:24<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, and I *have* booted from live DVD, on physical DVD, and installed additional software. jmcnaught is correct -- it installs into the overlayfs which is in memory.
13:25<Guest333>dpkg, grove, ok, the last part of the error message is anyway in english, but currently I can't find any solution that works for me
13:25<dpkg>Guest333: what are you talking about?
13:26<grove>Guest331: The most likely explanation for what you're seeing is that keyring.debian.org was temporarily down or (the needed port) blocked for you
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13:26<Guest333>dpkg: I try to verify my debian image. But without public key imported, I have to import it. This doesn't work. :/
13:26<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Guest333
13:26<jmcnaught>Guest331: dpkg is a bot
13:27<jmcnaught>bah… too many guests
13:27<Guest333>jmcnaught, oh! thx
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13:27<Earnest>lol Oh god damn it, I was thinking dpkg was getting a bit rude.
13:27<grove>Guest333: Maybe `tcptraceroute keyring.debian.org 11371` can tell you where the blovk is
13:28<Guest333>here is my traceroute https://pastebin.com/wDuq2GSs
13:29<grove>s/blovk/block/
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13:35<Guest333>does the traceroute gives us any hints?
13:37<grove>It mostly rules out my theory of a blockage, but what the problem is then...
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13:45<Guest331>is there a way to revvert to the old behavior for the shift+page-up/page-down on vc? it not I will stay at a level which provided that.
13:45<deadalnix>how do I builkd a package from source from salsa (not apt source)? I keep running into dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)': native package version may not have a revision
13:46<deadalnix>what do peopel use to test things?
13:46<deadalnix>what wrong error
13:47<deadalnix>I meant this one: dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../package-version.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
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13:48<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, what are the error messages that are causing your vc's to scroll ?
13:48<Guest333>grove: Uh, i changed the nameserver to 8.8.8.8 - now it works!
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13:49<Guest331>Sqrt{not}, They are too numerous to type in my hand and gpm will not copy and paste them.
13:49<jmcnaught>Guest331: maybe try screen or tmux
13:49<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, too bad. I think fixing the errors would be my first priority
13:50<Guest331>typeical debian bs. make changes without thinking them through.
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13:53<Guest331>Sqrt{not}, i h9ave taken a picture of the vc screen can i send it to you?
13:54<jmcnaught>!termbin
13:54<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file
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13:54<lukas_>grove: thanks for your help! now i can setup my laptop, yeah!
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13:55<Sqrt{not}>!paste
13:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
13:55<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, use one of the pastebins suggested by dpkg in its last 2 messages
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13:58<Guest331>https://ibb.co/yYrs0K1
14:01<Guest331>those are the errors streaming by on all the vc when booting xfce4 debian live.
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14:01<Guest331>I really need to switch to Devuan. I hate systemd
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14:03<Guest331>Sqrt{not}, did you see the photograph?
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14:05<Guest331>be back later. chemotherapy fatigue is wearing me down
14:05<Guest331>i need to rest
14:06<Sqrt{not}>guest331, OK be well
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14:07<Guest331>Sqrt{not}, did you look at the photo
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14:08<Sqrt{not}>Guest331, yes I saw it, but I'm just a programmer, don't know what to think about what looks like hardware problems.
14:08<sney>that definitely looks like a hardware problem.
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14:08<sney>,pciid 8086:9d15
14:08<judd>[8086:9d15] is 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #6' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:9d15
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14:09<Guest331>sney, no it moves with the external usb drive. does with same thing when booting a burned dvd.
14:09<Guest331>it is a problem with debian live xfce
14:10<Guest331>be back later
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14:16<blast007>hardware problem as in with the computer, not the USB
14:18<Sqrt{not}>I would suggest paying attention to an error that seems to repeat 200 times per second
14:18<blast007>there's various workaround online
14:18<blast007>might also want to see if the latest BIOS update is installed
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15:41<ronoaldo>Hey all quick question. Is it possible to use apt_preferences to allow only one package from an entry to be used? Like, allowing only vscode to be installed from packages.microsoft.com
15:42<sarnold>what do you want to happen if the next version adds a new package dependency and package to the repo?
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15:44<ronoaldo>I want the install to fail so I can manually whitelist packages from that repository ...
15:44<ronoaldo>https://paste.debian.net/1187404
15:45<ronoaldo>I want to add a repository line in sources.list but don't want to install everything it provides silently.
15:45<ronoaldo>In other words, if say, code requires a specific/custom libc6 version, I don't want it to be pulled silently.
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15:46<ronoaldo>I'm not sure I'm on the right track with that preferences file ...
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15:47<ronoaldo>like, the '*' priority is overwritting the code priority (checking from apt policy shows the microsoft repo with -1)
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15:48<sarnold>I think you're on the right path
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15:48<sarnold>I haven't done this myself, and the pinning docs make me irrationally upset
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15:49<ronoaldo>me too :-/
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15:55<ronoaldo>It's actually documented on wiki! https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration#Prevent.2Fselective_installation_from_third-party_a_repository
15:56<ronoaldo>And is *exactly* what I wanted to acomplish.
15:58<sarnold>oh that's *very* handy, thanks
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16:24<ronoaldo>It worked :) paste.debian.net/1187427
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16:33<sarnold>hah, hooray for whoever did the translation work here "Pacotes alfinetados ("pinned"):
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19:02<grummund>Is there a difference between 'Priority: required' and 'Essential: yes' ?
19:07<themill>yes. Priority is used by debootstrap for setting stuff up; Essential means apt will complain long and loud about removing it
19:07<bremner>see also https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#essential-packages
19:07<bremner>there are more guarantees for essential packages
19:07<themill>Packages that are Essential also have to be functional with their postinst having run and you don't include them in Depends lines
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19:07<themill>s/with/without/ grrr
19:08<grummund>thanks very much.
19:08<themill>!essential
19:08<dpkg>Packages that are assumed to be available on your machine and as such are not included in the list of dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy> section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search ~E" (see <aptitude search>).
19:08<themill>dpkg, botsnack
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19:09<grummund>thanks again
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19:10<themill>I do wonder if priority should just go away these days. Not sure it really has a use other than making Packages longer.
19:12<bremner>dunno. I hate sections more than priorities, and people tell me sections are still useful
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19:12<themill>yeah, they're not useful either
19:12<bremner>maybe in the installer? I forget.
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19:13<themill>aptitude/synaptic and packages.d.o perhaps. "Section: oldlibs" is about the only real use I've seen for them in years.
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20:10<dookie>so im new to the whonix community any good chats to get into for tips and pointers?
20:10<abrotman>dpkg: whonix
20:10<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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20:11<dookie>i went down the rabbit hole trying to figure out kali and ended on whonix
20:12<dookie>i just wanted to keep my annonamity since my isp seems to email me everytime i add a new vpn i mean i just wanna watch kodi in peace and not be bothered
20:14<dookie>now to figure how to gwt kodi onto linux, ive played with lubuntu on an uber outdated imac, it was pretty useless other then getting used to some windows os basics being un learned \
20:15<abrotman>dookie: this channel is for Debian support, you should use #whonix on irc.oftc.net
20:15<dookie>oko thanks!
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21:33<maxrazer>Anywhere else I could get support for MyBB setup other than #MyBB? I'm trying to install, but it says it can't access the database, but I
21:33<maxrazer>I've checked all the fields and they seem correct.
21:34<maxrazer>Database server hostname, username, passowrd, databasename.
21:34<maxrazer>Engine = MySQL improve (should be compatible with MariaDB)
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21:36<sarnold>check error messages in log files in both mariadb and mybb
21:39<maxrazer>good idea
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21:50<maxrazer>Figured it out. I have a MySQL process, but not the actual database.
21:53<sarnold>aha :)
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22:27<user>hi
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22:27<Guest364>HI
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