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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-03-02

---Logopened Tue Mar 02 00:00:01 2021
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00:01-!-simonpatapon is "Simon Patapon" on #buddhism #debian-next #oftc #debian #bitlbee
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00:40-!-mrcl is "Marcelo L. Militão,,," on #debian
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01:53-!-andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan
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02:48-!-dzragon is "Nisse" on #debian.se #debian
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02:58-!-towo^work is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #aptosid #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #kernelnewbies
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03:35-!-texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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03:36-!-mcope is "Matthew Cope" on #debian-kde #debian
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03:41-!-Erwin is "realname" on #debian
03:41<Erwin>LOL
03:42-!-Erwin is now known as Guest383
03:42<Guest383>Deutsch?
03:42<esum>!de
03:43<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org
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03:44-!-Fraggle2 is "Christian Britz" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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03:59<Erwin_>Moin meister jemand deutsch?
03:59<Erwin_>+++++++++
04:00<Erwin_>?????????????????????????
04:00<Erwin_>aldaalol
04:00<Erwin_>l
04:00<Erwin_>l
04:00<Erwin_>l
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04:33<Abrax>what are the good chans here
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04:40<grove>That depends on your interests (I like the channels about e.g. my wm) and physical location (I like a channel where all of the participants are fellow danes)
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04:51<bentham>I might suggest that a user would not join a channel unless the user believed that the channel were good, at least in some way.
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08:04<ottavio>Off topic but I hope you can help. Is there a Linux distro called Boron (or similar)?
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08:05<ottavio>I know there is a Boron programming language.
08:06<petn-randall>ottavio: Google can probably help you better than this Debian support channel.
08:06<petn-randall>ottavio: Apparently Scientific Linux 5.x had the codename "Boron", for what it's worth.
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08:12<zleap>petn-randall, thanks for the link
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08:16<zleap>i think there is a typo on their versions page for SL 7.1
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08:42<nmd>привет
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08:43<nmd>есть кто живой
08:43<bremner>!ru
08:43<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
08:43<joostvb>Добар дан
08:44<nmd>спасибо за подсказку
08:47<jhutchins>ottavio: Check http://distrowatch.com
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08:50<ottavio>jhutchins: couldn't find it on DW. I visited a company and they told me they were using Boron as their own distro.
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08:51<ottavio>Unless the chap meant they were using the language Boron on Linux, but he seemed to knowledgeable to make such a crass mistake.
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08:51<nmd>есть и ру
08:51<ottavio>Actually he said they were using their own distro based on Boron Linux (?). Sorry for the OT.
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08:52<nmd>hello, can I ask you a question about the Plank app
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08:53<jm_>nmd: is this related to debian?
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08:56<nmd>I can not go to the Plank application settings
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10:25<deadalnix>what does version-substvar-for-external-package means?
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11:02<scorpion2185[m]>I will try to edit a debian wiki, can you confirm that there is no `~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css` anymore? For gnome users
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13:52<Omochao>hi, I'm trying to automate setup of a Raspberry Pi using https://gitlab.com/JimDanner/pi-boot-script and it seems to be failing to copy a file to /lib/systemd/system — is there a common reason for this? Or is there any way to see output from the custom `init` script itself, which might have an error message from the copy?
13:55<sarnold>Omochao: add a 'set -x' near the top of the script
13:55<sarnold>https://gitlab.com/JimDanner/pi-boot-script/-/blob/master/unattended .. assuming this is the thing?
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13:56<sarnold>does your boot environment actually have a 'pi' user? why is it using a pi user?
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13:57<Omochao>yeah, pi is the default username
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13:59<Omochao>I think it's copying that part of the payload separately to make sure the permissions are correct
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13:59<Omochao>but anyway, that line seems to be working properly, it's the next one that's failing
14:01<Omochao>there's a file /boot/payload/lib/systemd/system/one-time-script.service which isn't showing up in /lib/systemd/system after this runs
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14:10<cool>im not in it Omochao , but ever tried to compile it with your desires with live-build? so i compiled several systems beeing able to predefine all, but really all by my own..
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14:12<Omochao>???
14:13<Omochao>I'm sorry but your message makes zero sense to me
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14:15<cool>Omochao: you can compile your own Debian with the live-build tool you will be able to perform nearly everything by your own.. you can include, files, configs wand all to your build
14:15<cool>maybe thats the way..
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14:27<Omochao>sarnold: I added the flag and ran the script, how do I retrieve the output now?
14:27<sarnold>Omochao: oh, hmm, no display? :(
14:27<Omochao>I have a display
14:28<Omochao>currently looking at lxterminal
14:28<Omochao>the issue isn't that it doesn't boot (it does)
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14:29<Omochao>it's just not creating the systemd service file properly
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14:31<jacr>hello; do you know (I'm curious) why there's a `hostnamectl` but there's not a `domainnamectl`?
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14:32<cool>why have a domainnamextl??
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14:32<cool>domains are resolved by the web servers software. but every system need its proper hostname..
14:32<jacr>oh, I see.
14:33<cool>*ctl
14:33<cool>i mean lol
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14:34<duszek>I have a failing HDD from which I want to backup & restore Debian, at least part of it so I won't have to configure it from the beginning, any way it can be accomplished?
14:34<cool>yes no problem
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14:34<jacr>it's because there is a command name `hostname` and another called `domainname`, but I read in stackexchange that it's recommended to use `hostnamectl`. I was wondering why then, there is no domainnamectl. That solves my question. Thanks
14:34<cool>they are several ways to backup your system
14:35<duszek>cool: my system in encrypted though, and with clonezilla it takes forever
14:35<cool>jacr yes i also dont know exactly about the sense of taht file..
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14:35<blast007>jacr: those are for different purposes
14:35<sarnold>duszek: there's a handful of utilities; dd_rescue, ddrescue, and gddrescue -- I think gddrescue is the only one currently packaged in debian but I could be wrong
14:36<duszek>sarnold: I know, but my hard drive I have Debian on is encrypted and with the tool it would take forever to backup 250GB worth of data
14:36<cool>duszek : as sarnold already wrote.. yes.. alot of tools but also possible to do it by hand
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14:36<duszek>My installation is "only" 25GB
14:37<cool>duszek: it takes always some time to copy date.. copy the data to another media
14:37<cool>do a fresh install after and re config it..
14:37<blast007>jacr: hmm, actually I guess hostname can also set the hostname, though I've never used it for that.
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14:37<duszek>cool: yes i know, but I just want to copy 25GB instead of the whole partition so it won't take forever
14:38<sarnold>that'll require unlocking the drive, mounting the filesystem, and then using something like rsync on the mounted filesystem
14:38<blast007>hostnamectl is a newer command, part of the systemd suite of software
14:38<duszek>cool: do you understand that my Debian HDD is encrypted and Clonezilla doesn't ask me for decryption so the process can take faster?
14:39<duszek>sarnold: well, should I use rsync itself or any rsync-like tool?
14:39<cool>for that reasons i have a usb tool called mini partition tool, it is ms software but from an usb stick it do the job.
14:39<sarnold>duszek: rsync is the best tool I know for the job
14:40<jacr>thanks, blast007, I'm still new to `systemctl`. I'm using it, but I don't fully understand its entire capabilities
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14:41<cool>best suggestion is to clone that with Macrium refract sector by sector... i dont use win anymore but have that tool always by hand on an usb device..
14:42<sarnold>you probably never will :) the systemd suite is huge, and new features are added often
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14:44<duszek>sarnold: which rsync options should I use? Also, is Debian installer CD enough to do the job?
14:44<sarnold>duszek: -avP is probably a good start
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14:45<sarnold>-a turns on a bunch of metadataoptions -- -v turns on output :) -- -P lets you stop it and quickly restart it
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14:46<duszek>sarnold: how can I copy /boot and EFI partition restore these partitions to a new drive?
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14:46<sarnold>duszek: hmm, good question. I've never tried rsync on a FAT filesystem before. it might Just Work..
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14:47<cool>duszek: me for my part prefered it always to redoo them the most actual way and the reconfig the bootloader
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14:48<Omochao>okay, the issue might be that /lib is a symlink?
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14:51<duszek>cool: yes, but /boot keeps kernel which we will need later
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14:52<cool>do a sector by secdtor copy
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14:53<duszek>cool: hehe that's easy, just dd it all the way
14:54<cool>yes as i told you im not in it, but when you will keep all exactly.. then do it by a sector by sector copy
14:54<cool>clone it
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14:55<cool>will take its time depending by the specs of the maschine
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16:32<gry>installed cgit. what configuration file do i specify the port it's listening on? i've checked in /etc/apache2, but there's nothing about the cgit port there.
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16:33<joostvb>gry: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/cgit/cgitrc.5.en.html
16:33<joostvb>maybe?
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16:33<gry>joostvb: maybe, but it doesn't have the port specified, either
16:36<jmcnaught>gry: cgit does not appear to have its own daemon, it is a CGI script. The package includes /etc/apache2/conf-available/cgit.conf which if you "a2enconf cgit" should make cgit available at http://example.com/cgit/
16:36<joostvb>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cgit#Apache
16:37<joostvb>o!
16:37<joostvb>gry: listen to jmcnaught :)
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18:21<gry>Thank you, jmcnaught
18:21<gry>it's there :-)
18:21<jmcnaught>You're welcome gry
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18:59<Sheldon_>Hello where to start when building a debian, would you like documentation on how to build a debian?
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19:07<huhuhu>Sheldon_ https://debian-live-config.readthedocs.io/en/latest/custom.html ?
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21:02<dabukalam_>has anyone observed a debian-specific issue with network cards constantly fluctuating between link up and link down?
21:03<sney>not that broadly, no
21:03<dabukalam_>is that just how netplugd works?
21:04<sney>network connections should not flap during normal operation, you have a different issue
21:04*dabukalam_ has recently observed this behaviour in syslog and fails to understand it
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21:05<sney>this could be anything from a newer controller that's barely supported in 4.19, or a finicky switch or cable, to a hardware defect in the pci/e slot or motherboard itself
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21:05<ach>.
21:06<dabukalam>from that menu my gut likes the main course - the finicky switch option
21:06<dabukalam>since the switch is new and has been unfriendly recently
21:06<dabukalam>NO DESSERT FOR YOU SWITCH
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21:08<ach>at user with internet have no debian networkcard
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21:20<ach>sry bummer
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21:34<sney>hi
21:34<yomammy>I just installed debian to one of my hd's. I told it to put grub on that disk becuase I got worried when it said it didn't detect windows. I NEVER told it to alter my windows 10 drive and I haven't made any changes to my bios and now nothing will boot INCLUDING MY WINDOWS PARTITION THE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED!!!
21:35<yomammy>How does debian get off making unauthorized changes to drives it wasn't supposed to touch. what a piece of shit,.
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21:35<sney>if you have debian on a separate disk from windows, and you told the debian installer to install grub to that disk's root sector, then that's what happened.
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21:36<sney>however, windows is less specific about its bootloader location and may have put it somewhere that didn't make sense, and you didn't find out until now. this is not that unusual on a dual boot system, or a machine where the "first" disk is not the one with windows on it, etc
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21:38<sney>regardless, your windows install has not been touched (assuming you didn't mix up the disks and install debian in the wrong place) so it's recoverable. boot into debian, make sure os-prober is installed, and run update-grub. it'll probably find windows and you can boot into it from the grub menu. if not, windows's own boot recovery thing from their installer can get it back too.
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21:39<yomammy>Windows was on M2_1 it was the only drive in the system until I added M2_2 and installed debian and it's grub on it. Now explain to me how windows could have possibly put it's boot loader anywhere but M2_1? Now also explain to me why when i installed debian and it's grub on M2_2 changes were made to the windows boot loader that we must assume was on M2_1 (it was the only drive windows knew about remember)
21:41<yomammy>I'll give these a try but man what a hassle. if I tell you not to put anything on M2_1 then please don't. good grief who does that?
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21:42<sney>ok, given that information, it's more likely that the only thing changed was the efi configuration. which an OS installer can do without your input, if that's not clear. the debian installer doesn't put anything on disks other than the one you tell it to.
21:43<yomammy>do you think the uefi settings got changed without my knowledge? and that's why I can't boot anything?
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21:45<yomammy>well let me get after that bios and see about getting that right first i suppose. maybe it got changed to something that isn't working.
21:46<sney>I think that d-i or grub-efi tried to auto-configure your efi to enable booting debian, and something anomalous happened instead. there's an edge case I'm aware of where an efi won't boot a perfectly valid configuration because it will only accept 1 hardcoded filename
21:46<sney>anyway, d-i can rescue debian, windows's iso can rescue windows, supergrubdisk might be able to boot one or both, you've got options.
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21:47<yomammy>you know I really don't have much on that windows partition except the hours it took to make a clean install of win10. the point is that debian needs to no act like a virus and crash everything when I try to install it. seriously.
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21:47<yomammy>ok give me a few to go through me fricking bios and see what I can see.
21:47<yomammy>sigh.
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21:50<yomammy>ok i set it back to uefi mode for the sata and now I can boot my windows install disk. you think it has tools to recover the existing partition that won't boot because of debian?
21:50<sney>wait, you set it *back* to uefi mode? what mode was it when you installed debian?
21:51<yomammy>legacy
21:51<sney>ok, that's your problem, lol
21:51<sney>legacy and uefi are not compatible
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21:51<sney>you can't dual boot between them and OSes installed one way or the other can't see each other
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21:52<yomammy>hmmm so shouldn't i be able to see one os when in uefi and the other when i'm in legacy?
21:52<sney>no.
21:52<yomammy>I can't see either right now
21:52<sney>they may be able to see each others' hard drive contents but that would be the extent of it.
21:53<blast007>why would you have changed it to legacy to install Debian?
21:53<sney>now, depending on your device, when you switched from uefi to legacy mode it could have wiped windows's uefi configuration. or not. it depends. but your hard drive will still have its files
21:53<yomammy>no i mean I cant boot them i can see the hardware in my bios obviously but neither will boot.
21:53<sney>boot the windows iso, do its boot repair song and dance, then install debian *in uefi mode*
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21:54<yomammy>does debian use legacy? or uefi? I don't recall it asking me to choose during the disk selection and partitioning process
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21:54<blast007>both
21:54<blast007>it'll install in whatever mode you boot it in
21:55<yomammy>ah
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21:55<yomammy>ok well i'm a little less pissed at debian and more at myself.
21:55<yomammy>noob
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21:56<blast007>(it's the same with Windows, actually)
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21:57<blast007>you might just be able to re-install Debian in UEFI mode and it might then detect your Windows install and give you the boot option in grub to switch between the two
21:57<sney>it might, yeah
21:57<sney>also while you're here, for best results dual booting windows and debian on uefi: disable *all* of windows's fast boot and fast suspend/wakeup clever features. they are known to break things in both windows and linux.
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22:01<yomammy>ok what about this Compatibility Support Module? I think this is how I get legacy back
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22:02<blast007>that is legacy boot, which you don't need
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22:04<yomammy>ok bios now in legacy mode (I believe I installed Windows in non uefi mode so I could dual boot with a NAS operating system that couldn't do uefi)
22:04<yomammy>so bios see all of my drives again, let's see if I can boot windows
22:05<yomammy>nope.
22:05<yomammy>I get a black screen with a DOS CLI style cursor, the keyboard is unresponsive.
22:06<yomammy>let me try my debian disk next
22:06<yomammy>nope
22:06<yomammy>Same black screen with the DOS cursor
22:06<yomammy>how about a cd?
22:07<yomammy>I can boot a cd
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22:07<yomammy>so that's something I guess
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22:09<yomammy>@sney yeah windows likes to get cute with those fast boot and not actually rebooting completely trickery. I don't understand all of it but I've read some and they need to settle down with that nonsense.
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22:13<yomammy>oh fuck. I see what happened. debian got confused about which drive was which and labeled my M2 #2 slot with a lower number than my M2 #1 slot and my dumb as just got duped into installing debian over my windows drive. what kind of a clown detects the NVME M.2 slots 1&2 and puts them out of order and calls slot 1 "1" and slot 2 "0" "
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22:16<yomammy>good lord what a mess. debian can't even figure out which order the M.2 slots are arranged in. these people have no business writing operating systems. you know I absolutely loathe the idea of praising micro$oft for anything but at least they got one thing right, The number painted on my motherboard next to each NVME slot matches what windows detects.
22:16<yomammy>Windows 1
22:16<yomammy>debian 0
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22:16<yomammy>what a sad day.
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22:20<yomammy>my problem is that both of my NVME drives are identical, same brand, same size and during the debian install all I have to go by to distinguish them from each other is that debian has assigned a "zero" in one of the names and a "one" in the other. I'm an idiot for assuming debian would assigne those numbers in the same order they are physically installed soldered into my motherboard.
22:21<yomammy>seriously
22:21<yomammy>what a joke
22:22<jmcnaught>The installer did not prompt you about removing partitions?
22:23<sney>it's a mistake that most of us have made at one time or another. if you have disks that *look* identical, a trick that was introduced fairly recently is to 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' as this will also show the disk serial number in the id string
22:23<yomammy>it did but I assumed it would have assigned the numbers in order not inverted.
22:23<sney>it *should* and usually does initialize disks in the hardware order, but there are a lot of factors that can change this in a given situation
22:23<yomammy>i'm in the graphical install because I'm a noob
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22:24<blast007>you can still switch to a VT to type in commands
22:24<yomammy>i don't think i had the opportunity to do an CLI or if i did i missed it.
22:24<yomammy>then i missed it
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22:25<sney>in the graphical installer, its ctrl-alt-f2 or f3. in the regular installer it's the same without ctrl
22:25<yomammy>ooh lets see what the advanced options are, lol I can't get in any more trouble than I'm right now, lol
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22:25<blast007>might as well put it to UEFI now as well, if you've already wiped your Windows install :P
22:27<yomammy>lol i kind of wanted to keep everything legacy because some of the os's i mess with can't do uefi but perhaps I should consider keeping this machine 100% uefi and get another one that I can run legacy crap on instead of mixing and matching on the same machine when I don't know what the hell i'm doing.
22:27<blast007>Though you'd want to install Windows first. Otherwise, it will overwrite the Linux boot settings. (At least, I think that's still a thing.. haven't done much with dual booting in the last 10+ years.)
22:27<blast007>could also run virtual machines if you just want to mess around with stuff
22:28<sney>blast007: yeah, MS's OS strategy is still to assume that the computer will only have windows on it, so it aggressively replaces anyone else's bootloader. at least, I've heard it doesn't do that on windows update anymore.
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22:29<yomammy>at one point i had like 8 different bootable operating systems on this guy, lol you should have seen my boot manager the list had a scroll bar hahah. i do run vms for stuff where I don't care about performance but I've found with Oracle anyway that performance suffers pretty bad in a vm
22:29<blast007>yeah.. microsoft is pretty agressive about most of their stuff.. including their browser :P
22:30<blast007>I'm sure Oracle will spec you out a server to run all their dreadful software
22:30<yomammy>I need windows for work but I hate it with a passion. that's why i'm always on the lookout for a replacement so I don't have to live in that world when I'm off the clock.
22:32<yomammy>yeah i signed up for their new cloud thingy they have going but i never got as far as trying a vm because their free trial demanded a credit card so they could hope I would forget when the trial ran out (which I absolutely would forget), then it's a whole hassle to get the charges taken off (if they even will) and I'm just too much of a spaz to remember shit like that.
22:32<yomammy>so i have to boycott any free trial that demands a credit card to try it.
22:33<yomammy>I have Asperger's Syndrome, highly functioning but total retard in some respects. If you've ever heard of the term Idiot Savant? That's me.
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22:35<yomammy>ok guys, thanks for walking me through my misdirected rage-fest. At least I know now to direct my rage inwards in this case. I gotta finish thawing my septic tank. I'll resume breaking my computer stuff later. have a good evening. I love you all...
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