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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-03-18

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00:00<themill>it was removed from Debian for a reason.
00:01<segamain>ah jeez..
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00:01<themill>what are you actually trying to do?
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00:03<segamain>themill: I'm trying to make a bootable windows 10 usb for 4 days now :(
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00:04<segamain>because in virt my pc just freezes as soon I start the installation for win10
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00:32<bharath>hwfll
00:32<bharath>helo
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05:07<scrdcow>could anyone explain to me what is the difference between a normal netboot install and a plain vm cloud image? i'm planning on using this for proxmox. and guessing what difference there are to it.
05:08<scrdcow>or is it just the same but with cloud-init installed?
05:09<scrdcow>hmm. maybe I stick with a normal install, and then make a template out of it.
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05:18<r4fkramer>Please, does anyone have any idea about why my VLC network stream is taking too long time to be completely opened ? The sound becomes immediately audible; but the video takes about 10 minutes to open.
05:18<r4fkramer>I am running VLC on Debian 10.8 installed on real hardware.
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05:23<dreamer>scrdcow: what do you mean with "plain vm cloud image" ?
05:23<dreamer>scrdcow: a netinstall has not much more than a kernel and installer
05:23<dreamer>cloud images often are a minimal server install with some extra tooling from the cloud provider
05:24<dreamer>a netinstall doesn't have any software installed or configured yet
05:24<dreamer>so the difference would be that one is used for installation and the other gives you a minimal installation already
05:24<dreamer>r4fkramer: maybe the folks of VLC can help you?
05:25<r4fkramer>Hi dreamer, thank you very much for attention :) You mean VLC IRC Channel ?
05:27<dreamer>yes, `/join #videolan`
05:27<r4fkramer>OFTC too ?
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05:36<scrdcow>dreamer: https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/ - it says there is a "plain vm" image.
05:37<scrdcow>dreamer: I kind of understand that. i'm more wondering what the differnce would be after installation :-)
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05:37<scrdcow>(for ex a plain netinst install whit nothing added except utils and maybe ssh vs "plain vm" cloud image)
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05:39<scrdcow>not sure which is the "plain vm" either since there are generic, genericcloud, and nocloud :-D
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05:53<r4fkramer>By the way, One question that I had, which is available on the Debian Wiki; how much host providers use debian as the main server:
05:53<r4fkramer>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting
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07:09<grummund>Should a default samba install "just work" ? because i am finding that windows machines have trouble to browse each other with samba running on the debian machine.
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07:12<jimpop>testing had an update for openssh-server (1:8.4p1-5), on what ml was this announced?
07:12<msilva>Hi, when creating a deb package (version 20), how do I make sure an user on version 10 installs all versions between 10 and 20? (11, 12 etc)?
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07:24<grove>msilva: First of all: you're (hopefully) talking about upgrading not installing. Second: I think the best you can do (on version 20) is to check in the preinst script that the user is on version 19 and then assume the packager of version 19 made the user got there in a sane way (relating to this - IMHO f*cked - upgrading procedure)
07:25<msilva>ok, thanks!
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07:32<r4fkramer>Please, I saw some tutorials on net, but I'd like to have a reference from any debian user experienced with i3wm installation in debian
07:32<r4fkramer>i3wm website itself has some basic instructions but not a clear manual for beginners
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07:33<grove>I use i3, installing it was just a matter of `apt install i3` (I might have used apt-get back when I first installed it)
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07:37<grove>The instructions on the webpage might focus on getting the latest version from them, but unless you have very special needs you're probably better of with the version packaged for the debian version you use
07:38<r4fkramer>Thank you for answering, grove. I installed a debian OS in virt-manager without DE, installed xorg and i3, but my doubts are concerned i3wm configuration - I didn't explain at first more clearly, sorry
07:39<r4fkramer>Please grove, do you have any specific documentation you recommend for a beginner related to i3 configuration post installation in debian ?
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07:44<grove>I found everything I needed to adapt the standard configuration to my needs in the documentation
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07:48<r4fkramer>well, so ok. I'll try to focus on this way. Thank you very much for attention and support.
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08:25<themill>jimpop: testing gets new versions of packages every day. You can install apt-listchanges if you want to see what the updates are all the time
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08:41<jimpop>i was wanting to coorelate the update back to a source/notice.
08:42<jimpop>at one time there existed debian-testing-announce@ and debian-testing-changes@
08:44<themill>there still is https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/2021/03/msg00027.html
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08:47<jimpop>right, but it doesn't list the openssh-server change
08:47<themill>yes it does?
08:50<jimpop>ack, i see it now. When I looked earlier i was searching in Subject
08:51<jimpop>thx themill
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09:21<blood>yo
09:22<blood>someone there??
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09:24<blood>hay
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10:12<z3us>is it better to download vagrant, docker base images from internet or host own local image repo?
10:13<koollman>I'm not sure how those things are related
10:13<grove>z3us: Probably depends on your usage
10:13<koollman>z3us: what are you trying to do, and why are those the 3 options ?
10:14<z3us>koollman: 2 options
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10:14<z3us>kolter: downloading vm/container images from internet or download images from own local repository
10:14<z3us>*internet repo
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10:15<grove>You don't know what you'll get if you download anything of the internet, so maintaining a local repository is safer
10:16<z3us>and bandwith savvy
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10:16<z3us>*sorry less bandwith consuming
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10:33<picca>problem with salsa ?
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10:38<blast007>picca: https://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2021/03/msg00000.html
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10:59<picca>thanks blast007
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15:10<levid>hi, i recently purchased a Lenovo Yoga 6 AMD Ryzen 5 and installed Debian Bullseye. I installed Bullseye because I had read it uses kernel 5.10+ which has better support for newer hardware. I'm now experiencing some issues, FireFox ESR sometimes when I switch tabs it doesn't show the new content right away. Also, my wifi drops connection, I monitored it by pinging 1.1.1.1 and I'll end up having dropped
15:11<levid>packets or response times way above the normal. I have other computers on my network that work fine on wifi. I ran sudo dmesg and it has some interesting output. I'm not sure where to start to get help, could someone point me in the right direction? :)
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15:17<Manah3>hi everyone
15:17<levid>hi
15:18<Manah3>what's up ?
15:18<levid>not much :)
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15:18<Manah3>where are you from ?
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15:18<levid>U.S., you?
15:18<tarzeau>i forgot where that page is of security team where they list excluded from security program packages
15:18<Manah3>France
15:18<tarzeau>Switzerland
15:18<rudi_s>levid: The first step would be to search for the "interesting messages" or the general model and see if anybody else is erxperiencing similar issues. Sometimes there are easy workarounds.
15:18<sney>levid: bullseye support is in #debian-next, please put your interesting dmesg stuff in a pastebin and link there
15:19<levid>thank you :)
15:19<Manah3>do you speak french @tarzeau ?
15:19<sney>!chat
15:19<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
15:19<tarzeau>Manah3: i learnt that in school for 7 years. no !
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15:31<AlwaysLivid>Hey, what's the right channel to check out for Debian devops-related stuff?
15:32<sney>probably right here, depending on what your question is
15:34<AlwaysLivid>I'm just wondering about why meetbot.debian.net doesn't have HTTPS right now, and if there are plans to change that.
15:35<sney>well, that page suggests a channel to join for discussion, have you tried there?
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15:36<sney>debian.net hosts are managed indivudually by the debian members running the services in question, they're semi-unofficial and not handled as part of the general infrastructure
15:36<AlwaysLivid>Oops, I didn't try to visit the homepage. Thanks for the pointer!
15:36<AlwaysLivid>I see.
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15:36<AlwaysLivid>I'll keep that in mind, thanks a lot for the pointer.
15:36<sney>np
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16:01<superkuh>If there was a bug in Gtk but the Gnome people refused to fix it, would submitting the bug to Debian get someone to look? The gnome people have left the gtkfilechooser broken for 3+ years now. It does not respect the gsettings and cannot be set up to show the text based file location bar, only the bread crumbs one you can't type in.
16:01<superkuh>https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/938
16:01<tarzeau>superkuh: 3+? more like ever since it existed!!! 10+ years
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16:01<superkuh>I only noticed it this week with my Deb 10 install.
16:01<tarzeau>it is fundamentally broken, not just what you mention
16:02<superkuh>I'd been on old distros for about a decade.
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16:02<superkuh>Installing a new OS has been a bit shocking.
16:03<tarzeau>I doubt the maintainers have the resources to, but you can always make a fork call it something different and improve that. is it the same with gtk4?
16:03<tarzeau>i've seen gtk1, 2, 3, and 4. i'm trying to avoid it as much as possible.
16:03<superkuh>That I don't know. I had pulled one particular application's source from debian repos and then patched it individually. But there's still all the other gtk applications.
16:03<superkuh>I had been assuming 2.
16:04<tarzeau>if you fix one, two new ones will reappear also buggy!
16:04<superkuh>Guess I should just install an ancient distro.
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16:05<tarzeau>i mean, there's also motif/x11, tk/tcl, gnustep, qt, and probably way more?
16:05<tarzeau>i really like miller columns (gworkspace.app) and mc/far2l/nnn...
16:05<tarzeau>i've also always found the gnome font selector broken, likewise with qt and win32
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17:09<anix>gnome default is hard to change, that's maybe why
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17:30<jhutchins>I mean use something user friendly instead of gnome.
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17:38<anix>hah, yeah. some of us are stuck with gnome
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17:40<dvs>ha!
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17:49<jhutchins>I tried gnome once, in the last century, and I left it there.
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17:54<anix>that was prob gnome 2 or 1, gnome is up to 3 now, and it's quite different
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18:09<Sqrt{not}>but still a little bloated and somewhat stubborn
18:10<sney>gnome is fine to use as long as you're happy to not change any defaults.
18:10<sney>which makes it an odd choice for a distro built around offering choices, but anyway
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18:11<sney>I had it on my laptop for a bit and it was fine, because all I do on my laptop is type things and do jitsi conferences
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18:17<cc>gnome 3 and every version afterwards is unusable garbage
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18:21<user01>is there a lightweight version of debian that has a realtimekernel like ubuntu studio? wanted to use a minipc as a media player . . . i have a beelink u57
18:22<sney>debian doesn't have multiple "versions" like ubuntu does, but you can set something like that up, sure
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18:22<judd>Package linux-image-rt-amd64 (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package), PREEMPT_RT. Version: 4.19+105+deb10u9; Size: 8.1k; Installed: 18k
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18:24<user01>im wondering if debian could stream out to a volumio raspberry pi with dac too . . .
18:25<sney>generally, if you can do something in ubuntu, debian can do it too. you might need to do some manual setup, but that's all.
18:25<sney>and that mini pc may be physically small, but a 5th-gen i5 and ssd means it's more capable than some people's whole desktops
18:26<user01>i bought it because it was more capable than my laptop which cant do 4k60hz hd video
18:29<user01>everything i have runs debian but i was thinking about ubuntu studio on it but as long as i can install a real time kernel then should be fine
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18:38<cc>what use case do you have that requies a kernel with the RT patch?
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23:51<r4fkramer>Hi all, I don't know if make sense this question, but I don't have other choice at present: please, what would be the best option among these 13 tiling managers available for Debian?
23:51<r4fkramer>I installed the i3, but its configuration is confusing and I still haven't been able to see more exciting results using this application ...
23:52<r4fkramer>I need suggestions from more experienced debian users: https://www.tecmint.com/best-tiling-window-managers-for-linux/
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