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00:06<jmatos>r4fkramer: are you trying to start a holy war in here? :P
00:07<dkess>of the tiling window managers, i'd say i3 is among the less-confusing config languages
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00:09<r4fkramer>jmatos, your question is an absurd; I'm just having a hard time choosing between the 13 existing options, having already had problems with i3's post installation configuration. What's "holy war" in this?
00:09<r4fkramer>dkess, I tried to launch monitor in i3 after basic configuration, but it's not activated - at least in my case
00:10<r4fkramer>"Launching application using the menu: $mod + d – This opens up a menu at the top of your screen that allows you to search a specific application by typing a keyword at the text field provided."
00:10<r4fkramer>dkess, I'm lost in this configuration phase....
00:11<jmatos>r4fkramer: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/h/holywars.html
00:14<r4fkramer>jmatos, http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/h/holywars.html = this question does not apply to me. You made a big misinterpretation....
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00:17<jmatos>r4fkramer: you asked what would be the best tiling window manager, which is a matter of personal preference (see: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/r/religiousissues.html )
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00:20<r4fkramer>jmatos, it doesn't mean I'm trying to start a "flamewar" or "holy war" here, Read my question above.
00:21<jmatos>if you want to know (to an approximation) which is most popular among Debian users, I guess you can check out the popularity contest statistics for their respective packages
00:22<jmatos>e.g.: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=i3-wm https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=awesome
00:22<r4fkramer>these questions you expose here are very off-topic, and I just want to know from someone, if there is any better option for my case, since, as I explained above, I did not have good initial results with i3 in debian. It's just this ...
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00:23<r4fkramer>Anyway, I'll read about these statistics, thank you
00:23<jmatos>you need to understand that "better" is a matter of opinion, and at best you'll get the opinion of whomever cares to answer you
00:27<r4fkramer>jmatos, I understood you, but, clarifying better then: I asked from a beginner's perspective for more experienced users, in order to have a really personal opinion of any person who was willing to give me a suggestion.
00:27<r4fkramer>jmatos, For example, your experience is something personal, and it indicates your preference for one application or another; for me, it would already be valid, since I don't know anything about this subject to justify my own preference.
00:30<r4fkramer>In fact, you are right; "better" is really a matter of opinion, not a truth itself. It's a bad word in this case.
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02:20<FH_thecat>where can I download specific version of a package?
02:20<FH_thecat>I need thunderbird 68.8
02:21<FH_thecat>but debina buster has 78
02:21<themill>that version is nowhere in Debian
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02:21<FH_thecat>it was until recently
02:21<FH_thecat>but then was updated to 78
02:22<FH_thecat>I need to install the older
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02:22<tarzeau>52.8 is here http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/thunderbird/
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02:22<themill>it's unlikely that you can install it in buster
02:23<tarzeau>rebuilding the source package i don't see a problem
02:23<FH_thecat>where can I find the source ?
02:23<tarzeau>but the questions is why does he think need older tb version, and why can't write debina right
02:23<themill>mozilla stuff is not particularly portable
02:24<FH_thecat>I actually just need to extract few files from the omni.ja
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02:41<tarzeau>FH_thecat: did you know there's this? https://salsa.debian.org/mozilla-team/thunderbird
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02:53<FH_thecat>tarzeau: the URL does not load
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03:01<tarzeau>FH_thecat: thecat broke your internet?
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03:02<tarzeau>does it work via proxy? https://pornolize.com/pornolize/?lang=en&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsalsa.debian.org%2Fmozilla-team%2Fthunderbird
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03:05<anix>it works for me
03:08<anix>does that repo have an issue tracker? I don't see one...
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03:13<fabrice>(on buster) Everytime I'm starting Chrome (google-chrome-stable), I'm asked for a pwd. I have to decline by hitting 6 times <escape> which is annoying. All my tries with seahorse to get rid of it failed. Any idea ?
03:16<tarzeau>fabrice: try --password-store=basic
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03:18<fabrice>Indeed. Having RTFM would have helped me here ! thanks a lot
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03:47<ZassssAaa>/help
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03:58<Guest419>cannot make more than one account on ebay using android.ebay seems to detect the device being used.I'am starting to use debian.does debian have mitigations against hardware ID detection?
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04:00<avu>Guest419: they probably just use a cookie or maybe some more fancy browser fingerprinting. A website can't get some "hardware ID" per se, not matter what platform.
04:02<avu>Guest419: This is more a feature of the Browser you're using than the OS, although some browser fingerprinting is a bit easier by default on Linux as you have less seen values in thinks like your UserAgent and font selection.
04:02<Guest419>ok,asking because I was using a vpn so it couldn't have been the ip address that kept on being the same
04:04<Guest419>cannot remember but there is a command that returns the machine-ID.would that be a relevant hardware identifier for websites.asking because not all hardware identifiers go into the web e.g. mac address
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04:21<avu>Guest419: No, there is no "command that returns the machine ID" on websites
04:22<avu>Guest419: there a various finger printing techniques. IP seldom plays into it as IPs are often shared by many clients through NAT
04:22<avu>So a VPN will never help in such cases, really
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07:05<Fraggle2>dpkg does not like us anymore? :-O
07:05<dpkg>Fraggle2: are you smoking crack?
07:05<Fraggle2>there it is
07:06<Fraggle2>dpkg: no, you rude bot.
07:06<dpkg>wish i knew, Fraggle2
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08:20<Pol123>I installed debian stable yesterday, it booted for the first time at 4k resolution (while my monitor is only 1080p but, for a strange reason windows also give that 4k option). But the things got dramatic when i installed the nvidia driver. Now, my 165hz monitor can't use 165hz anymore, because it became choppy and full of tearing when i select it, even after i formated the whole system. Doesn't
08:20<Pol123>metter if i use linux or windows anymore, now, i've to use 120hz only to have an stable experience.
08:21<jm_>doesn't sound like something OS should be able to affect
08:21<Pol123>i will take a picture of "why" 120hz works and 144hz or 165hz doesn't
08:21<Pol123>it's strange
08:22<Pol123>hold on please
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08:25<Pol123>jm_ https://imgur.com/D1uNC3H
08:25<Pol123>jm_ https://imgur.com/EAY0wzJ
08:26<Pol123>i've tried to switch cables, i was using hdmi 2.0 after and now displayport
08:26<Pol123>i've tried erase the whole system and install only debian aswell but no luck
08:27<Pol123>it just doesn't work anymore
08:28<Pol123>it's like the "cable tab" can handle 120hz ok, both OS, but when you select any hertz from the "PC tab" it doesn't
08:31<jm_>I am yet to buy such a monitor, but at least with linux and xorg you can try selecting appropriate resolution and refresh rate via xorg.conf
08:32<Pol123>i can select 144 or 165hz, the problem is that it isn't stable, all choppy, mouse lagging, tearing everywhere even with vsync on, linux or windows
08:32<Pol123>the problem became right after debian stable install with noveau, when it start at 4k (on booting text mode, small letters)
08:34<jm_>I certainly hope monitor can't display 4k mode if it's not capable of it
08:34<Pol123>i don't know why it did, but the resolution fidelity aren't pretty, like it was using DSR mode
08:34<Pol123>know DSR?
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08:35<Pol123>dynamic resolution (nvidia thing to display 4k in 1080p monitor)
08:36<Pol123>dude i don't know where to run anymore
08:36<jm_>that's only possible with nvidia driver, not with nouveau
08:37<jm_>I would check what monitor reports on mode, then try selecting my own mode with xorg.conf
08:37<jm_>I would also try using nvidia driver in linux
08:37<jm_>but that means no wayland/gnome
08:38<Pol123>maybe has something to do with the hdmi 2.0 cable, i'm using a GTX 970, it was one of the first implementation of hdmi 2.0 in a nvidia card
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08:38<Pol123>on the DP cable it didn't pick up 4k on second install
08:38<Pol123>jm_ i did install the nvidia prop driver, but all the same
08:38<Pol123>choppy, tearing
08:39<Pol123>slow
08:39<bremner>this discussion of 4K on a 1080p monitor is very confusing for me.
08:39<jm_>I know HDMI is limited for high resolutions and refresh rates, one gets better results with DP
08:40<bremner>yeah, I don't think HDMI supports 4K. Although maybe there are variations in HDMI
08:40<jm_>Pol123: try checking xorg logfile then
08:40<Pol123>that's why i bought a hdmi2.0 cable, it can display 165hz 1080p
08:40<Pol123>ok, i'm going to a new install
08:40<Pol123>jm_ tell me something, debian stable uses wayland with nouveau?
08:40<jm_>might be worth asking in some windows/gaming forum too, they are more familiar with this stuff
08:41<jm_>Pol123: to be honest, I have no clue - I don't use either gnome or nouveau, nvidia driver + xorg for me for now
08:41<Pol123>i don't know, i think they hardly tried to dual boot
08:41<Pol123>like i said all things start to fall apart after this install =(
08:42<Pol123>ok, i flash a fedora usb
08:42<Pol123>because
08:42<Pol123>it has nouveau+wayland support
08:43<Pol123>i'm hoping wayland can fix it for me? miraculously
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08:44<Pol123>if i got no lucky, i'll install nvidia prop. again with xorg and get this log
08:44<Pol123>how i get this log?
08:45<Pol123>cat /var/log/Xorg something?
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08:50<jm_>hmm just looked a t that log and with no mode specified, it gives no details for selected mode here. bummer
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08:53<jm_>ahh sometines ignoring joins/parts is a bad idea ;)
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08:55<Kadigan>Hello. I wanted to ask if it's safe to edit files in /usr/lib/systemd/system? I need to alter an installed package's service definition to include an ExecStartPre= directive, and I wanted to know if it might get removed when the package is updated. At any rate, there might be a different way for this (some sort of systemd overrides that basically says "to this service definition, add this content", for example).
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08:55<jm_>Kadigan: no, it will be overwritten, can't you use systemctl edit?
08:55<Kadigan>Ah, so there IS a better way.
08:56<Kadigan>I had no clue `systemctl edit` exited.
08:56<Kadigan>existed*
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08:59<mayhew>What does the openjdk-17-jre package contain if Java 17 isn't released yet?
09:00<jm_>java 1.7 :)
09:02<jm_>just kidding btw
09:03<jm_>maybe some sort of early builds?
09:03<Kadigan>jm_: thank you kindly, good sir -- the solution works like a charm
09:04<mayhew>ah, yeah. Found out about `apt changelog` and it does seem to be tracking upstream closely. I didn't realize packages like this were in Debian, neat.
09:05<jm_>Kadigan: np
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09:39<Sqrt{not}>any ops paying attention, debhelper isn't adjusting channel limit. maybe just needs to be opped?
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09:45<tohoyn>can anyone estimate when the freeze of debian testing distribution is over?
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09:45<hariss>Hi
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09:49<TobiX>tohoyn: After the release...
09:49<TobiX>See https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html
09:49<tohoyn>TobiX: tx
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10:25<userasdfe>so i got my nick verified but how come i cant join any other channels in hexchat?
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10:28<bremner>you are not shown as identified with services
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10:31<userasdfe>it says im not shown on the access list for nick
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10:31<bremner>try #oftc for network support
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11:18<drzacek>Hello there
11:18<drzacek>does debian repository have any requirements for the filesystem?
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11:19<bremner>drzacek: you mean like an apt repository?
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11:20<drzacek>I'm downloading the packages with apt and putting them inside own repository with reprepro
11:20<drzacek>can I put it on a fat32 pendrive?
11:21<drzacek>or does it need proper fs with access rights, attributes etc
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11:22<bremner>you might need a proper FS. I vaguely remember some related discussion.
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12:09<somiaj>Trying to wonder why fat32 won't work, wonder if it has something to do with links, since I don't think permissions would be much of an issue.
12:11<tarzeau>fat32 doesn't have symlinks/links?
12:12<tarzeau>and no unix permissions either
12:12<RoyK>it's a very simple filesystem
12:12<tarzeau>and it doesn't see a difference between MOO and moo, and on linux you write files like COM CON LPT and it messes up non linux systems
12:12<tarzeau>and popular too, but not the bestest, and fastest
12:13<RoyK>neither the best or the fastest, no
12:13<RoyK>it shares a few things with ntfs, which also isn't very good IMHO
12:13<RoyK>fragmentation happens quickly, because the fs is too dumb
12:14<RoyK>fat is even dumber
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12:16<somiaj>ahh yea, I forgot about the capiltilization issue as well. I just can't think of why a publically readable apt repo would care much about permissions, but links and captilization could be important.
12:17<somiaj>I was just using the example of the reason /boot cannot be fat32 is because dpkg uses hard links to upgrade packages, and so you cannot update linux-image packages using fat32, but besides for that issue you could almost make /boot fat32
12:18<RoyK>FAT was created 40 years ago when drives where very slow, and worked ok back then. Today, with larger drives and millions of files, well, it doesn't. The file allocation table (from which the filesystem has its name) is itself a bottleneck. Filenames were 8.3 characters, but that somewhat changed with fat32, but it's still the old design, which is rather dumb. I wrote a bootloader 35 years ago that could
12:18<RoyK>interpret FAT - it was rather simple - and again - the FS hasn't evolved much since. FATex is better, but MS patended parts of it. NTFS is a lot better, but then, things like xfs or ext4 or jfs are far better.
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12:19<RoyK>(or zfs or ceph or btrfs, the latter if you dare)
12:19<somiaj>Yea, I personaly wouldn't use anything except some *unix file system in linux, but was more thinking about the question of could you (in theory if overall it isn't that good) use fat32 or maybe even cifs for an apt-repo (some not fully *unix compadable file system)
12:20<somiaj>And if you can't what is the limitation, links and captilization maybe the issue.
12:21<RoyK>IIRC there's FUSE support for exfat and ntfs (ntfs3g)
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15:13<grawity>there is, but MS did eventually release patent grants for exFAT, didn't they
15:13<grawity>so now there is even in-kernel support for exFAT (and soon for ntfs I think)
15:13<sney>it's samsung, but yeah. one of the 5.x kernels got a native exfat driver
15:14<grawity>samsung wrote the driver, but there was an article about MS (the patent holder) actually blessing it on Linux
15:15<sney>WSL keeps shaking things up I guess
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18:13<ironthree>hello
18:14<choozy>Hello ironthree
18:14<ironthree>hello choozy
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21:27<pukilo>hey
21:27<pukilo>its me pukilo
21:27<liquidsnake>Hi
21:27<pukilo>i need bit help,
21:28<pukilo>deb.debian.org is not accessible?
21:29<pukilo>also security.debian.org
21:29<sney>https://downfor.io/deb.debian.org
21:29<sney>nope! it's your network. try a different mirror, or see what other hosts you can't reach
21:29<pukilo>i m error at install
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21:30<pukilo>it says repo at security.debian.org can't be accessed ?
21:30<pukilo>ay reason why?
21:30<pukilo>any*?
21:31<sney>installing debian? or installing a package with apt?
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21:32<pukilo>i m installing debian,
21:32<pukilo>configure a package manager
21:33<pukilo>what shall i do
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21:34<sney>what happened at the 'configure network' step?
21:35<pukilo>everything was good
21:35<pukilo>now i cannot access anything
21:36<pukilo>its a pain to install.... earlier i installed everything but forgot the passcode
21:37<sney>switch to a text console with alt-f2 (ctrl-alt-f2 if this is the graphical installer) and try 'ping debian.org' - what is the result?
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21:39<pukilo>something is happening... 64 bytes from an ip , seq = 82
21:39<pukilo>anow seq = 100
21:39<pukilo>what it is doing?
21:40<sney>that is testing if you can reach debian.org over the internet.
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21:40<sney>you can ctrl-c to cancel.
21:41<pukilo>cant do that
21:41<sney>can't do what
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21:41<pukilo>it says pressing ctrl + c changes to scale mode ny vox
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21:41<sarnold>"scale mode ny vox"? what's that?
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21:42<pukilo>scale mode is actives on my vbox
21:43<pukilo>okay done
21:43<pukilo>now can i access debian.org?
21:43<sney>this is a virtualbox guest?
21:43<pukilo>yes
21:43<sney>you should say that at the beginning when you ask a question.
21:44<pukilo>what i shall do now
21:45<sney>what was the ip that responded when you tried to ping debian.org?
21:45<pukilo>149.20.4.15
21:46<sney>ok, alt-f1 will take you back to the installer menu, let it retry
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21:47<pukilo>after pressing alt + f1
21:47<pukilo>it crashed
21:47<pukilo>it says please fix fbdev
21:47<sney>probably some virtualbox issue, just start over
21:47<ava>hello I'm unable to delete two users I recently created and the error message is unique (I haven't found a page online that addresses this issue)
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21:48<pukilo>you should not delete other users, their privacy matters
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21:48<ava>lolol (they're all me)
21:49<sney>ava: and the error message is?
21:49<pukilo>its confusing ? so u will delete me from here?
21:49<ava>sney: opendir /proc: Permission denied
21:49<ava>userdel: /etc/subuid.4729: Permission denied
21:49<ava>userdel: cannot lock /etc/subuid; try again later.
21:50<sney>are you doing this as root?
21:50<pukilo>please dont delete me. i come here to ask debian help
21:50<ava>I'm sudoing yes?
21:50<pukilo>whats sudoing?
21:50<ava>sudo.
21:51<pukilo>linux is very confusing for my
21:51<pukilo>macos is better
21:51<ava>:)
21:51<sney>pukilo: please keep your comments on topic
21:51<pukilo>but i cant install it
21:52<sney>ava: is this a running system, or are you using chroot from a rescue image, etc? what debian version and how did you install it?
21:52<pukilo>okay, somehow you text appears green, rest every text appear black, how?
21:53<sney>pukilo: that's a highlight, your irc client changed the color because I typed your nick at the beginning of the line
21:53<pukilo>oh nice
21:54<pukilo>i got to go, bye. i will install it later now.
21:54<pukilo>thanks for help
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21:54<ava>sney: Debian 10, netinstall. It seems to be a stable system otherwise (no errors when updating and upgrading).
21:54<ava>I am not using chroot, just sudo
21:54<ava>is that an issue?
21:55<sney>no, it could have caused an issue like this
21:55<sney>run 'mount' and look at the output, what does it say in parentheses after /proc?
21:55<pukilo>you guys are on discord? can i ask for help there?
21:56<sney>pukilo: there may be unofficial debian discussion on discord, but official support is only on IRC or mailing lists.
21:56<ava>sney: proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
21:58<pukilo>can't i purchase a service, that can install debian for me?
21:58<ava>^Are you kidding?
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21:58<ava>Look at youtube videos for an afternoon.
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21:58<sney>there are probably people on fiverr or upwork that would do it ;)
21:59<pukilo>okay, not official people?
22:00<sney>debian is a community project to build an operating system. support is all done by volunteers in places like this.
22:00<pukilo>its very difficult, belive me i m trying from last 2 days
22:00<ava>pukilo: Try Ubuntu or Linux Mint first if Debian is too hard
22:00<ava>It's a step easier
22:00<pukilo>oh ok.
22:00<sney>there may be unofficial vbox images somewhere too, if installing is the problem
22:01<pukilo>that would be great too. i will try that.
22:01<sney>ava: as for your issue, maybe 'lsof /etc/subuid' will show that it's currently locked by some other process? or, when was the last time you rebooted?
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22:03<ava>It's strange because I even rebooted for this to not happen, I previously changed name of the main user I was using on this system. So I created a tempuser and then followed some steps from a website. I rebooted instead of merely switching logins
22:03<ava>specifically to avoid process issues
22:03<ava>yet it doesn't seem to have helped lol
22:04<ava>The name change worked but now I'm stuck with two locked users that I don't use and cant seem to delete
22:04<ava>One of them were just a test one, which I haven't touched really other than creating it, yet it's still giving the same error when I try to delete it
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22:06<sney>ok. this behavior is weird enough for debian stable that I bet it's a hardware problem.
22:06<sney>run a memory test lately?
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22:06<ava>No, don't know what it is even
22:06<sney>I saw a machine a few months ago with a dying power supply that was doing *all kinds* of weird stuff, so that might be worth looking at too
22:07<ava>...I do have a dying power supply
22:07<ava>Or undead, rather
22:08<ava>Battery that is
22:08<ava>(using laptop)
22:08<sney>a computer is little more than lots of specialized electricity running around in a box, so if your power supply is doing unreliable things, it can break almost anything
22:09<ava>But isn't there some overpowered way of halting processes and then like super-deleting the users?
22:09<ava>I mean this is a userland problem no?
22:10<sney>I don't think so. it's userland errors, but they're anomalous enough that I think it's just surface symptoms for something worse
22:11<sney>you can 'sudo -i' and then run the commands directly as root to make sure
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22:11<ava>and I'm using this command correctly?:
22:12<ava>deluser tempuser
22:12<ava>also deluser --remove-home tempuser
22:12<ava>and yeah same error-msgs
22:12<sney>yep those are normal
22:13<ava>Looking for files to backup/remove ...
22:13<ava>Removing user `tempuser' ...
22:13<ava>Warning: group `tempuser' has no more members.
22:13<ava>opendir /proc: Permission denied
22:13<ava>userdel: /etc/subuid.8970: Permission denied
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22:13<sney>:|
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22:14<ava>Oops managed to kick myself
22:14<sney>indeed. looks like the same errors anyway. so, same answer.
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22:15<ava>Well this sucks. Should one always get a laptop dock btw?
22:15<ava>Because I've never owned one.
22:15<ava>It seems laptop batteries die really fast.
22:16<sney>I can't remember the last time I had one. I suppose it depends on the laptop.
22:17<ava>So they should be able to be connected with wire while battery is in and 100% without it damaging anything? I've heard different takes on this form randos
22:18<ava>randos=non technical people
22:18<sney>it shouldn't cause the battery to degrade any more than it would with frequent discharge/recharge, anyway.
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22:19<ava>Okay
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22:19<ava>Anyway I guess I'll leave now sice this couldn't be resolved?
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22:19<ava>I'll just have two zombie users I guess
22:19<sarnold>ava: it'd be worth trying to figure out *why* you've got those crazy errors
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22:19<sarnold>ava: is there anything in dmesg?
22:19<ava>until I reinstall Debian when 11 comes out
22:20<sney>you are free to stay or idle here, whichever, we don't have any rule about that
22:20<sarnold>or perhaps selinux or apparmor logs?
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22:23<ava>sarnold: what were the commands for apparmor logs?
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22:25<sarnold>ava: depending upon what you've got installed, less /var/log/audit/audit.log ; journalctl ; less /var/log/syslog
22:27<ava>Mar 20 03:27:04 debian kernel: [10267.030212] audit: type=1400 audit(1616207224.303:116): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/userdel" name="/etc/subuid" pid=9112 comm="userdel" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
22:27<ava>Mar 20 03:27:04 debian kernel: [10267.030218] audit: type=1400 audit(1616207224.303:117): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/userdel" name="/proc/" pid=9112 comm="userdel" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
22:27<sney>!paste
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22:27<ava>Mar 20 03:27:04 debian kernel: [10267.031637] audit: type=1400 audit(1616207224.303:118): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/userdel" name="/etc/subuid.9112" pid=9112 comm="userdel" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
22:28<ava>Those three lines
22:28<sney>I thought buster's apparmor didn't enforce
22:28<sney>(but sarnold knows a lot more about this topic than I do)
22:28<ava>I think I added most things available into Apparmor back when I installed
22:29<ava>I didn't expect this to be the reason for the error though
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22:29<ava>Since no other Apparmor profile has caused problems so far.
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22:30<sney>well, modify the profile for userdel and set it to complain instead of enforce, and then try deleting the user again?
22:30<ava>Checking now which the relevant ones might be in my docs
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22:31<ava>Or no *facepalm* it's obv userdel, but I also have useradd in Apparmor, but throughout my task earlier I guess that one was fine
22:32<sarnold>woot :D
22:32<ava>sarnold: Everything needs to be Apparmored, haven't you got the memo?
22:33<ava>Flatpak virtualization hardly works half the time and SELinux has to be a scam
22:33<sarnold>ava: heh, I started working on apparmor over twenty years ago :D
22:33<ava>Woah!
22:33<ava>Okay based
22:33*sney was not kidding
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22:34<sarnold>admittedly I spend a lot less time on it lately than I'd like to :(
22:36<ava>WOOP it worked now!
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22:36<sney>awesome, glad it's not hardware after all :)
22:36<ava>I put userdel in aa-complain mode
22:37<ava>sarnold do you know if Firefox is getting Apparmor profile this Debian 11 release?
22:38<sarnold>ava: I don't know, sorry; it seems very unlikely, since so many people use firefox in so many different ways, a default-on profile for it would either be so tight to break the way people use it, or so loose that you might as well not have it confined
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22:40<sney>apparmor-profiles has a 'firefox' profile, but it doesn't apply to firefox-esr without modification. there's an open bug, though no traction
22:40<ava>Ah, that's unfortunate. :( What do you think personally, wouldn't Icecat be a good middle-ground? I mean Firefox is developing in a very weird way (closer to Google), it seems either hardening patches or a fork is becoming necessary for a free software project like Debian, no?
22:41<ava>I feel like if Icecat had a Debian package it would get wider exposure and thus also more devs
22:42<sney>,bug wnpp icecat
22:42<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/637348 in wnpp (open): «RFP: icecat -- GNU version of the Firefox browser»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-08-10; last modified: 2020-05-03.
22:42<ava>That browser doesn't come with as many open holes as standard Firefox does nowadays
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22:43<sney>there won't be any big browser changes for bullseye, since it's already frozen. but broadly I think you're right, there needs to be a better option that's more suited to debian and the DFSG
22:44<sney>it's not firefox or firefox-esr for reasons already stated, it's not chromium because that's also a can of worms, what else have we got? icecat is probably at least worth inclusion in the archive, if not consideration for the desktop task.
22:45<sarnold>browsers are *very* difficult to maintain
22:45<sarnold>doing it without paid staff feels like too big an ask
22:48<sney>if it was easy, it would have happened already
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22:53<ava>Hopefully SOMEONE picks it up. In reference of a potential need for a monetary context, maybe one could leverage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureOS ?
22:53<ava>"The default web browser in PureOS is called PureBrowser, a variant of Firefox focusing on privacy. The default search engine in PureBrowser is DuckDuckGo."?
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22:54<ava>One makes these people, Icecat and all the Librefox variants talk to each other and agree one one collaborative way of patching Firefox. BAM
22:54<ava>And we're onto somewhere
22:55<ava>Anyway thanks the both of you for the help, I'll be going now
22:55<sney>np
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