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01:04<naoki>Hello,everyone!
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01:26<nanas>w
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01:46<r4fkramer>Hi all, I tried to set up sound in my new debian installation, but it didn't work, and I can't use 'alsamixer' and related commands, for my debian doesn't have it.
01:47<r4fkramer>Please: https://paste.debian.net/1190123/
01:47<r4fkramer>I check pavucontrol output, and it shows I have sound card
01:49<diogenes_oftc>r4fkramer, it's a virtual machine.
01:49<r4fkramer>Hi diogenes_oftc, thanks for attention. Yes, I have this debian running in virt-manager
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01:51<diogenes_oftc>so it's not a Debian issue.
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01:53<r4fkramer>Well, I think it is only related to this installation, for I have Kali, CentOS running on this virtual machine, and both they have sound ok. Only this installation faces this kind of issue
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01:58<r4fkramer>diogenes_oftc, If the other installed OS also had no sound, it would make sense to assume that it was a problem with the virtual machine.
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01:58<r4fkramer>But, the other installations are ok - so, of course, this is only a problem with this Debian installation.
01:58<diogenes_oftc>r4fkramer, try a non-free ISO.
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02:00<r4fkramer>diogenes_oftc, this is a original stable .iso. But I added non-free afterwards, editing non-free in sources.list
02:01<r4fkramer>Do you think it is not enough ? Or, should I install any specific audio or firmware driver for this Debian Installation ?
02:01<r4fkramer>diogenes_oftc, please, what do you suggest me ?
02:02<diogenes_oftc>!non-free
02:02<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
02:03<diogenes_oftc>nah not that
02:03<r4fkramer>Please, diogenes_oftc, here you are my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1190124/
02:04<diogenes_oftc>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.8.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
02:05<r4fkramer>After 'apt update && apt full-upgrade', don't you think this is enough ?
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02:06<r4fkramer>I think it is missing any audio driver or firmware. But I don't know what is the correct driver to be installed....
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02:08<zykotick9>r4fkramer: I'd try installing alsa-utils as a starter..
02:09<r4fkramer>Hi zykotick9, thank you for technical suggestion. I will try it now.
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02:12<r4fkramer>Please, zykotick9, it wasn't installed. Now, I checked this message, during 'alsa-utils' installation: https://paste.debian.net/1190125/
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02:13<zykotick9>r4fkramer: I don't think that's an issue (the restore service stuff). Now you should have alsa-mixer, see if that works (if anything is muted).
02:14<r4fkramer>according alsamixer monitor, chip is generic qemu; master and pcm channels are at maximum volume adjustment.
02:14<r4fkramer>Ok, let me check it now
02:15<zykotick9>sorry, I meant "alsamixer". That's all I've got for audio suggestions. Best of luck.
02:16<r4fkramer>Please, zykotick9, should I reboot OS to take effect ? It is no sound yet
02:16<zykotick9>? I doubt a reboot will do anything!
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02:18<r4fkramer_> To enable all channels, edit the file /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment default-sample-channels
02:18<r4fkramer_>https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio
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02:27<r4fkramer_>let me reboot here. I'll be back
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02:41<r4fkramer>Please zykotick9 and diogenes_oftc, I had to edit '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf', uncomment default-sample-channels and leave 'default-sample-channels = 6'
02:42<r4fkramer>Now the sound is working fine here in my new Debian Buster. Thank you for attention and Support :)
02:42<r4fkramer>https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio
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03:06<ganpa[m]>I used the debian/testing64 vagrant box to setup debian sid for packaging environment. I have updated all packages and changed testing to sid in /etc/apt/sources.list.
03:06<ganpa[m]>Now, none of the applications (e.g. vim) are working. I think they are unable to allocate resources (memory).
03:06<ganpa[m]>Is there any fix?
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03:08<ganpa[m]>opening nvim raises an error "[1] 2292 abort nvim".
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04:05<The01>hi
04:06<The01>anyone recommend nginx over apache2?
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04:06<The01>or its better stay on apache2?
04:07<rudi_s>The01: Personally I prefer nginx because its configuration format is much more readable IMO.
04:08<The01>oh ok understand, but nginx doesnt have native support for php?
04:09<The01>i have understand i need to use a connector for that..
04:09<rudi_s>The01: No (which is a good thing IMO). You can use fast cgi for that.
04:10<The01>oh yeah
04:10<The01>i was configuring my first LAMP server so i just installed apache2, mariadb-server and php-mysql
04:10<The01>do u think i need something more?
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04:11<rudi_s>This separation (including separate users if configured) is a good thing.
04:11<rudi_s>But yeah, apache is simpler to use in that regard.
04:11<The01>fist i decided to use nginx but after knowing the php native issue i have decided to use apache2
04:11<rudi_s>Sounds fine
04:11<The01>great man
04:12<The01>thx for the help..
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04:19<Guest516>how to delete unnecessary kernels?
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08:04<maxus>hi can i ask some question about a debian remaster process?
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08:06<bremner>the main focus here is on support for users of debian. You can try, but you might have better luck on #debian-derivatives (if I remember the name correctly)
08:06<bremner>or maybe I don't understand "remaster"
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08:21<maxus>if you have a debian iso with a pool directory where all the .deb packages are. I added one package for geany. But after installing the iso it geany was not present, did i forget something to register?
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08:27<bremner>maybe pick a channel, if this is all related?
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08:35<ottavio>Something really really bad has happened. I have upgraded from stretch to buster and the root user has disappeared.
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08:38<rudi_s>ottavio: Disappeared in what way? No longer in /etc/passwd /etc/shadow?
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09:00<maxus>i did a debian install and my system terminal say's (live). What could gone wrong?
09:02<tulpa>booted from your hard drive or the installer?
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09:05<maxus>booted from hard drive after fresh install
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09:11<bremner>using which debian installer? your own or one supplied by Debian?
09:11<maxus>The orginal from debian
09:12<bremner>_which_ original?
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09:12<maxus>The live-cd installer, nothing changed acout that. But inside the iso only kernel-image was changed to newer version.
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09:14<bremner>so a) you're installing from a live disk, which is not the normal case, and b) you did modify it somehow?
09:16<maxus>It is a normal debian live cd, that can be graphical installed in the menu. I did a graphical install
09:16<bremner>yes, fine, it's just important to mention because most of us don't install that way
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09:20<bremner>maybe someone should point maxus to #debian-live next time they show up.
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10:07<filePeter>Hi, I have installed Debian Buster with XFCE. As a friend of Vim (the best text editor there is, obviously ;-) ) I hope xfce will use vim as the default text editor (as I have set vim.gtk3 as the update-alternatives’ editor). Unfortunately xfce open text files with »xterm -e vim filename.txt« instead of either gvim, oder xfce4-terminal.wrapper (as set via update-alternatives) Does anybody know where
10:07<filePeter>to change these settings? Thanks.
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10:10<grawity>a) right-click the file in Thunar, it should have an "Open with" section, or b) run `xdg-mime default <whatever>.desktop text/plain` (sorry I don't remember offhand what's GVim's .desktop file named), or c) run `emacs ~/.config/mimeapps.list` and update the [Default Appliactions] section in there
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10:13<filePeter>grawity: Thank you so much, I’ll check those options. I Do enjoy the emacs part of it ;-)
10:15<filePeter>grawity: btw, do you happen to know why xfce would run xterm in the first place?
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10:15<grawity>iirc there is also a .desktop file for CLI vim, and it specifies Terminal=true, and kthe *specific* terminal
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10:15<grawity>er,
10:16<grawity>the specific terminal to use is taken somewhere from Xfce's xfconf settings
10:16<filePeter>grawity: Oh, ok. I’ll check that. Thank you.
10:17<grawity>it probably uses https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications
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10:20<filePeter>grawity: I did set the terminal application to xfce4’s terminal. Yet, xterm with open vim. /usr/share/applications/vim.desktop just states »Terminal=True«_
10:21<grawity>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:21<filePeter>;-) yeah…
10:21<grawity>actually what are you opening the file *from*?
10:22<grawity>Thunar should use Xfce's settings, likewise exo-launch
10:22<filePeter>Thunar.
10:22<grawity>but other GTK apps might not, as selecting the default terminal is extremely broken in GLib/GTK
10:23<filePeter>exo-open also uses xterm
10:24<filePeter>»exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator vim textfile.txt« get’s it right though
10:24<filePeter>oh my…
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10:44<filePeter>grawity: I got it working: I copied /usr/share/applications/vim.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications/ and edited the right terminal emulator into it. Thanks for your help again!
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11:00<Killo>Hi. How do I add a repository on Deepin
11:00<Killo>?* I'm getting an error when I do
11:00<bremner>!deepin
11:00<dpkg>deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net
11:00<bremner>Killo: try #deepin on freenode, as the bot suggests
11:01<Killo>Okay, will do. Thank you
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12:19<rayden>hello there, debian users
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12:20<rayden>hello there, fvs
12:20<rayden>are there any people active on the channel ?
12:20<FVS>rayden: hello
12:20<rayden>fvs : hello
12:21<rayden>what os are you running ? and for what reasons ?
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12:21<dreamer>debian, because it's debian
12:22<rayden>it was a fall in love ?
12:22<FVS>In my case the choice was due to the stability
12:22<rayden>so a pragmatic choice
12:22<rayden>not a fall in love
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12:23<FVS>rayden why do you ask? Thinking in change to debian?
12:23<rayden>yes
12:24<rayden>now, i am running wireless ubuntu
12:24<FVS>OK
12:24<rayden>but when i will switch to cable, i plan to run debian only on my computer
12:24<rayden>(a laptop)
12:24<FVS>I did had an experience with Ubuntu, not bad
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12:25<dreamer>rayden: it's not a fall in love. I've used debian, ubuntu, gentoo, fedora, and arch over the years. stability is one yeah
12:25<FVS>But I'm not an advanced user
12:25<dreamer>although the "everything is outdated" feeling after a couple years of stable is annoying :#
12:25<rayden>i am 25 years of slackware linux
12:26<dreamer>oh right, I used a tad of slackware, only on the OpenPandora though :P
12:26<rayden>but i feel something in not that correct in the slackware way
12:26<dreamer>slackware is like lfs + couple shellscripts right? :P
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12:26<dreamer>I mean it's very barebones. KISS can be nice sometimes though
12:26<rayden>the energies of the software... some sublt energetic things
12:27<dreamer>I don't know what that means :)
12:27<rayden>some somble...
12:27<rayden>well, trust me on that -- slackware has bad vibrations -- it's like putting rock in your bmw
12:27<rayden>not classical music or new nice music
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12:29<rayden>dreamer...
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12:30<rayden>hello earthundead
12:32<rayden>hello there
12:32<rayden>anyone active here ?
12:32<blast007>!chat
12:32<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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13:23<kfogel>How can one specify swap partition size during initial installation (with encrypted LVM, if that matters)? I'm installing 10.8 right now. The machine has a 479 GB SSD, and I specified 440 GB for the single "/" partition, intending remainder to be swap (yes, I know that's a large swap). But the partitioner still says only 1 GB for swap partition.
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13:26<jmcnaught>kfogel: the installer should also ask you about leaving some of the LVM volume group unallocated, so you can always grow the swap partition later.
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13:26<jmcnaught>kfogel: otherwise you probably need to delete and recreate both the / and swap logical volumes in the "configure LVM" part of the partitioning section of the installer.
13:27<kfogel>jmcnaught: Thanks. Yeah, I found some links online about expanding the swap partition later, but it seems kind of odd to do that later when I'm installing right now -- I mean, if ever there were an appropriate time to specify the swap partition's size, this is it.
13:28<kfogel>jmcnaught: (reading your second line now) *nod*, okay, I will try that. Thank you.
13:28<jmcnaught>kfogel: I recommend leaving some space unallocated in the LVM volume group anyways, so you have room for snapshots later if you want.
13:28<kfogel>jmcnaught: snapshots?
13:30<jmcnaught>kfogel: LVM has snapshot volumes, you can make a snapshot and then roll back to it, or use a frozen snapshot of a filesystem to do backups off of. You might not need them, but they can be handy.
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13:32<kfogel>jmcnaught: Ah, got it. Well, that's probably not useful for me; I have lots of redundant machines around and my data is backed up and rsync'd many different ways -- rollback on a particular machine is not something that has come up in almost thirty years, so I'm going to assume it's not a scenario in my future :-).
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13:56<hagom>Does anyone know how to setup the usb live soundcard V8 on debian?
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14:01<hagom>Does anyone know how to setup the usb live soundcard V8 on debian?
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14:28<enrique>#debian
14:29<bremner>yes, you are there
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14:31<hagom>sney this is not the case
14:31<sney>then you need to give details
14:31<sney>!your screen
14:31<dpkg>Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what>
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15:22<ottavio>I'm trying to remove firefox-esr but buster forces me to install epiphany
15:23<ottavio>https://termbin.com/qc0e
15:24<rudi_s>ottavio: I guess something depends on www-browser so at least one browser must be installed.
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15:25<ottavio>rudi_s: I used to be able to uninstall firefox on stretch
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15:25<rudi_s>ottavio: Well, look which package needs a browser and uninstall them, this should help: aptitude why www-browser
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15:27<ottavio>i man-db Suggests www-browser
15:28<ottavio>err I don't really understand
15:28<jmcnaught>aptitude why just finds the first reason why a package might be installed, and stops there.
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15:29<ottavio>aha I think it's libreoffice-help-us
15:29<jmcnaught>"apt rdepends epiphany-browser --installed" might help find others.
15:30<jmcnaught>However I recommend making sure that whatever web browser you are going to use is covered by Debian security: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security
15:31<ottavio>jmcnaught: yes, the aptitide trick works. Thanks!
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15:32<rudi_s>jmcnaught: Ah, damn. I thought it lists all deps. Sorry.
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17:02<ID-tenT>i installed a bunch of packages by mistake for a browser, that were for stretch, but i'm using buster
17:03<ID-tenT>i don't know if I should try to remove them, or just leave them installed
17:03<Sqrt{not}>ID-tenT, how did you manage that? Did you install from debian repositories?
17:06<oss9>ID-tenT: I also did similar mistakes. I think disable stretch repository, then update and upgrade system. then apt-get autoremove will help. (after you remove the browser package)
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17:08<ID-tenT>well something like this :
17:08<ID-tenT># apt install --no-install-recommends git ca-certificates python3 python3-venv asciidoc libglib2.0-0 libgl1 libfontconfig1 libxcb-icccm4 libxcb-image0 libxcb-keysyms1 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xinerama0 libxcb-xkb1 libxkbcommon-x11-0 libdbus-1-3 libyaml-dev gcc python3-dev libnss3
17:09<ID-tenT>maybe they are not Stretch packages per se
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17:13<Sqrt{not}>ID-tenT, what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
17:15<Sqrt{not}>ID-tenT, you probably should use a pastebin to show us
17:15<ID-tenT>just buster
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17:16<Sqrt{not}>you should not be able to install stretch versions, if your sources.list* sources are "just buster"
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17:16<Sqrt{not}>let me ask it another way: are your "just buster" sources all from debian.org ?
17:17<ID-tenT>https://paste.debian.net/1190197/
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17:19<Sqrt{not}>OK, your unstable source is commented out. what is in those xenial files? is that ubuntu ?
17:20<ID-tenT>deb [arch=amd64] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main
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17:21<ID-tenT> .save = #deb [arch=amd64] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main
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17:25<Sqrt{not}>ID-tenT, do you have logs to see which packages came from debian.org repositories and which might have come from xenial ? If you have just buster sources in your debian sources.list, then you only installed buster versions of those packages. but who knows about signal org, ifyou took something from there
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17:27<ID-tenT>Sqrt{not}, well lets assume they are all buster packages, is there any point in removing some of them?
17:28<Sqrt{not}>I think the debian.org buster packages are fine. I would remove anything that came from signal.org in your mass install.
17:30<ID-tenT>afaict signal just installs signal, but so then, no harm in a bunch of libraries that weren't needed being installed?
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17:33<Sqrt{not}>I think it should be OK. you look pretty ready to compile something there ;)
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23:19<kingsley>I'd like to learn how to print on fewer sheets of paper. How would you print a PDF as 4 pages per sheet, with 2 pages on each side of each sheet of paper, and using both sides of each sheet of paper?
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