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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-03-25

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01:11<Celelibi>I reported a bug against mame. But upon further investigation, it's a bug in mesa, which is already fixed upstream.
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01:11<Celelibi>What should be the process? Reassign the bug and retitle it, or make a new one against mesa asking for an updated package and set it as blocking?
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01:12<Celelibi>Or maybe just open a new bug against mesa and close the one against mame?
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01:35<joostvb>Celelibi: reassign would be the best
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01:45<jhutchins>Celelibi: Close the bug against mame, open a new one (if there isn't alreay one) and reference the upstream fix.
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01:46<jhutchins>Reference the upstream fix when closing the mame bug.
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04:19<sodo>i found a background update service consuming 250mb of ram
04:20<sodo>https://imgur.com/6B1m9yCl.png
04:20<sodo>(why it is written in python?)
04:20<alex11>(+1 for using xfce)
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04:21<sodo>anyway
04:22<sodo>that service is too heavy for my potato laptop
04:24<diogenes_oftc>sodo, that's because you have Gnome probably?
04:25<Sqrt{not}>potato, really ? I thought the unattended upgrades thing was newer than that.
04:25<sodo>diogenes oftc: i've never installed gnome
04:25<Unit193>sodo: Drop unattended-upgrades, install package-update-indicator instead?
04:26<diogenes_oftc>sodo, is it Buster?
04:26<sodo>sid upgraded from buster
04:26<Unit193>Also, stock Xfce is perhaps not the most pretty. If you like, perhaps try greybird-gtk-theme and elementary-xfce-icon-theme instead?
04:27<diogenes_oftc>so it's Sid.
04:27<diogenes_oftc>because Buster doesn't have that.
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04:28<Sqrt{not}>potato was debian 2.2
04:28<sodo>so the reason i have that is because i was originally buster?
04:29<sodo>Sqrt{not}: :D
04:29<diogenes_oftc>sodo, probably Sid installed it.
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04:40<sdisavona>I'm repurposing an old 1-2GB RAM PC to run a debian host with a DOS/Windows 95 guest. I'm inclined on using 32 bit debian. Is there any reason to prefer 64 bit?
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04:54<asdf>I assume the current 32bit LTS is the last of it's kind
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04:56<sodo>https://i.imgur.com/JYAnSIE.png
04:56<sodo>holding for...
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05:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
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05:23<sdisavona>asdf Is debian going to drop 32 bit? I wouldn't expect dropping 32 bit before 2038.
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05:23<asdf>dunno
05:24<asdf>I would not count on it my self
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05:24<asdf>any doc about it? only see current verion supported 2024
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07:44<anonhuino_email[m]>what measure that LINE use to ban account using pidgin libpurple-line plugin?
07:44<anonhuino_email[m]>http user agent? so if we use fake user agent can help?
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08:32<Straton_>Hi. I would like to understand better apt-transport-tor. Is there a more recent doc thant this? https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt-transport-tor. The question is, if I use tor://, would this make https connection or should I force with tor+https://?
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08:58<sodo>i recently learned about nice level
08:58<sodo>and debian runs almost everything in same level
08:59<grove>Straton_: I don't know anything about apt-transport-tor, but https is generally not worth nearly as much as people think when it comes to apt sources
09:00<grove>Debian packages are signed and that provides much more
09:01<sodo>running de in higher level and gui apps(incl. terminal emu) in lower level may give ux?
09:01<sodo>then building something won't hang the whole system
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09:02<grove>Debian doesn't do anything different concerning nice levels compared to other distros (or even other unices). It's pretty standard to run almost everything in nice level 0
09:02<jm_>sodo: you probably know, but still: there's nice command to run build job with desired level
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09:03<jm_>or renice for already running tasks
09:04<sodo>what about other gui apps
09:04<sodo>i want to run session in level 1 and apps on session in level 2
09:05<grove>Why? There's probably not any gain from that
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09:06<sodo>not for performance
09:06<sodo>as i'm using poor computer
09:07<sodo>i want to prevent a single app slowing down the whole system
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09:09<sodo>in windows, no matter how the thing i'm running is, i've never seen gui getting stuck
09:09<sodo>and i like that, i can stop the app slowing down the pc whenever i want
09:10<sodo>(by just few clicks)
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09:11<sdisavona>sodo define poor computer.
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09:15<sodo>sdisavona: atom cpu from 2012 or maybe worse
09:15<sodo>i ran debian on pentium m before(just for fun)
09:16<grove>I don't think a difference of 1 in nice level will make that much of a difference - it probably matters a lot more to choose suitable proram
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09:21<sodo>https://i.imgur.com/FmNQpkr.png
09:21<sodo>this is interesting tho
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09:21<zleap>i ahve a atom netbook (well several) and they are over 10 years old, and work really well with debian
09:21<zleap>even debian 10
09:21<sdisavona>sodo while that CPU is poor indeed, I doubt you'd get any real benefit by playing with runlevels.
09:22<liquidsnake>sup ya'll
09:22<sodo>i was able to use fine while running stress
09:22<sdisavona>zleap I really, really, dislike Atoms. I know they aren't meant to be powerhouses but...
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09:23<liquidsnake>i have a single core pentium m with 1gb ram running antiX linux and it flys! Way better than the XP that was on it. Was my brothers laptop in the military
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09:23<zleap>they are not ideal, but i got 25 + free netbooks from the school I worked at
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09:23<sodo>wow
09:23<zleap>this may be dual core atom, with 1gb ram
09:23<liquidsnake>i think its an hp dv1000
09:23<zleap>hp110
09:23<sodo>latest atom been a lot better
09:24<zleap>well they were going to be disposed of, so i asked if they are not due for another facility if I could have them
09:24<sodo>impressed
09:24<liquidsnake>i basically just wanted to see how linux would work on it. the wireless wouldn't even work when it had xp on it
09:25<Straton_>groove Can you explain why https for source isnt worth it? When not using https, combinining with tor (tor+https://), the last exit node and ISP will now what data you gathered from the site. https://support.torproject.org/https/https-1/
09:25<liquidsnake>i had to use a Plop disc utility to install antix on it because even though it has usb ports, it wouldn't see them. Not even in the BIOS
09:25<liquidsnake>Plop is pretty awesome
09:26<grove>Straton_: If they care, metadata (size of what you download from a debian archive) will almost always tell anyway
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09:27<sodo>debian+xfce uses less than 300mb on memory
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09:29<Straton_>groove True. but that would take more time, requiring research, instead of directly prompting/logging on their screen what you downloaded
09:30<sdisavona>zleap I also have 2 free atom laptops (NN450 I think) but I don't even use them as I really dislike them. I used one as a "print interface" for my 3D printer
09:30<sodo>while gtk environment working fine even on pentium m
09:31<sodo>the most hard thing to use in everyday was browser
09:32<sodo>i used to use firefox but i'm using palemoon on low ram
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09:34<jelly>sodo, you seem to have 1GB RAM. If the cpu has more than one thread it might be worth to create say 1-1.5GB of swap on zram
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09:35<jelly>zram has typical compression of 2.5:1 so 1GB of swap would take about 400MB RAM when full to the brim
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09:36<jelly>giving you something like 1.6GB effective RAM size without going to disk for swapping
09:36<sodo>cpu is 2 threaded but it's really bad
09:37<jelly>I used 6-8 GB zram+swap on a 4GB machine, it made things like Chrome usable
09:37<grove>Straton_: I didn't say https was worthless, it said it was worth much less than people generally thinks. If your threat scenario covers a usecase, where https matter, feel free to use it (as I said, I don't know if tor transport implies https), if it doesn't: don't use https
09:38<jelly>sodo, also, that unattended-upgrade thing did not use 250MB RAM, it allocated that much address space, but used only up to RES+SHR RAM (likely closer to RSS value)
09:39<jelly>apps today are really badly written and allocate several times more address space than they typically actually use
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09:41<zleap>good luck with the release on saturday btw
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10:27<peylight>what is the best tools to make visualise manpage?
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10:31<choozy>Hey nero
10:31<jm_>peylight: what is that?
10:32<peylight>jm_: make manpage for packaging stuff: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpage
10:33<jm_>peylight: ahh you mean an editor for manpages?
10:33<peylight>jm_: yes
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12:39<Akshat>hi guys
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12:40<Akshat>hey?
12:40<Akshat>anyone?
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12:41<AK70>Hi. Is this where I can ask a question and get some advice?
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12:44<petn-randall>AK70: sure, is it about Debian?
12:44<AK70>IN part, yes
12:45<AK70>We use Debian for most of our servers at work. I'm trying to connect some USB devices but when I run info usbhost it comes back with info: No menu item 'usbhost' in node '(dir)Top'
12:45<AK70>Is there a particular package I need to install to get info usbhost working?
12:46<petn-randall>AK70: What do you expect that command to do?
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12:47<petn-randall>`info usbhost` would show you the info pages to the command "usbhost". Neither of that exists in Debian, though.
12:47<AK70>https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/USB_Devices_in_Virtual_Machines#Show_Device_Map_and_Types
12:48<AK70>it shows a nicve map of USB devices with the port numbers
12:48<AK70>e.g. Bus 2, Addr 4, Port 1.8, Speed 480 Mb/s
12:48<AK70>
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12:49<avu>that's not a shell command, it's meant for "inside the monitor"
12:49<petn-randall>AK70: That seems to be a command specific to Proxmox, which is not Debian.
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12:49<petn-randall>Oh, or that.
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12:51<AK70>well, hmm. that's annoying. I need the port numbers to pass through several USB devices to the guest VM
12:51<petn-randall>But at least on Debian the command "qm" doesn't exist either.
12:51<AK70>That's part fo Proxmox
12:51<petn-randall>!proxmox
12:51<dpkg>Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
12:52<petn-randall>AK70: Your best bet about proxmox questions is the channel above. ^^^
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12:55<AK70>OK, thanks. Will try there
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14:41<deltaoscaruniform>Radio check
14:41<deltaoscaruniform>Can anyone hear me?
14:41<blast007>yes
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14:41<deltaoscaruniform>I have noticed something weird
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14:42<deltaoscaruniform>I enabled testing repo on my 10 install and now I apparently got into SID and Bullseye-Backports
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14:42<deltaoscaruniform>I would like to send sources list and neofetch but i dont which site would do
14:42<blast007>you mean you switched your sources from buster to testing (or bullseye)?
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14:43<deltaoscaruniform>Yup. I installed Debian 10 normally using netinstall and decided to enable testing repo and now I got this "OS: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid x86_64"
14:43<blast007>!debian-next
14:43<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
14:43<grawity>bullseye *is* what's currently in testing, is it not
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14:43<deltaoscaruniform>Huh? I am new to Debian. I thought i would get Debian 10 packages which were being in testing
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14:44<blast007>!testing
14:44<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
14:45<deltaoscaruniform>Seems fun
14:45<blast007>note that you shouldn't have both stable and testing sources
14:45<grawity>testing is practically a different release -- you upgraded to debian 11
14:46<deltaoscaruniform>Oh well what was the name of the site where i upload terminal?
14:46<blast007>!paste
14:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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14:47<deltaoscaruniform>https://paste.debian.net/1191001/
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14:48<deltaoscaruniform>(PS. Not WSL2 or anything. Chicago95 changed my terminal a little bit)
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14:51<deltaoscaruniform>Is this how it should look now?
14:51<deltaoscaruniform>https://paste.debian.net/1191004/
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14:53<jmcnaught>!bullseye sources.list
14:53<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and is a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list".
14:53<Be>guys is this getting fixed? bullseye, sid 1.1.1j-1 vulnerable CA certificate check bypass with X509_V_FLAG_X509_STRICT
14:53<Be>?
14:53<jmcnaught>Also note that bullseye/sid support is in #debian-next
14:54<Be>thanks
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14:56<deltaoscaruniform>hm thanks will go there
14:56<deltaoscaruniform>thanks for the help everyone
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16:33<talal>hi
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16:34<choozy>Hi talal
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16:34<Challenged[m]>Hello there.
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17:30<bauen1>hello, i was looking at https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and noticed #debian-svn (channel is empty and channel masters aren't connected) and also references http://svn.debian.org/ which doesn't work, so it looks pretty dead ; is there anything i need to do before removing it from the list ?
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17:38<Cyb3rslug[m]>I switched to debian from ubuntu and im very happy with it! i feel like im learning alot more about linux
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17:41<daviiid>hello - after updates on a debian stable machine, reboot hangs with the folowing message
17:42<daviiid>loading linux 4.19.0-14-amd64...
17:42<daviiid>error
17:42<daviiid>symbol `grub_register_command_lockdown
17:43<daviiid>press any key to continue .. then comes back to the previous screen
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18:01<Sqrt{not}>daviiid, can you boot into a previous kernel from the option list in "advanced options" ?
18:02<daviiid>Sqrt{not}: actually, i am sorry i did ask, in fact, the machine is remote, and now, 'locked until someone can sit in front of it - which due to the pandemic, won't happen in the next 10 days
18:02<daviiid>but thanks for the attempt to help
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18:06<daviiid>i was looking for info, like is this known? it was very unfortunate, that i did the updates today - never ever thought a debian stable could hang on reboot - no pun, just unfortunate on my side
18:09<sney>grub throwing symbols suggests that something got mangled during a bootloader update trigger. maybe the system reset with some writes still in memory?
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18:11<daviiid>sney: no idea, in memory? you mean if we switch the machine off and on, it might work?
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18:12<sney>no, I mean that the machine was power cycled before information in memory could be written to the disk.
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18:12<sney>but if you haven't tried booting it more than once, then yes, you should try that.
18:13<daviiid>no that i am definitely certain it was not the case - i did the updates, till complete, hit 'enter to continue' (using aptitude) - then in the terminal, i did 'reboot -f'
18:13<daviiid>*then quit aptitude and finally entered 'reboot -f' I meant to write ...
18:14<daviiid>sney: ok - will try that
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18:16<Sqrt{not}>#984426
18:16<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/984426 in grub-pc (open): «grub suddenly does not boot and ends up with "grub_register_command_lockdown not found"»; severity: important; opened: 2021-03-03; last modified: 2021-03-16.
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19:52<daviiid>judd: tx, i was afk, just came back - reading the reports
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22:49<alex11>a reboot isn't really necessary for today's openssl update right
22:50<alex11>i let needrestart restart the listed services already
22:50<sney>just restart any public-facing services that are using it, yeah
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