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00:30<p_>jmcnaught : hi, you were helping me earlier with gui remote from mint to debian. i'd like to pick ur brain again, if u r still around. on debian, 'screen sharing' is on with 'require password' and the only netowrk available selected. from mint, using vinagre, i'm trying to open a vnc connection to debian's lan ip (let's say 10.0.0.100); when i click 'connect' i get 'connection to host '10.0.0.100' was closed'
00:31<p_>vinagre never asks for the pwd i configured on debian
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00:32<p_>same thing happens if, on debian .screen sharing' i select 'new connection must ask for access' instead of 'require pwd'
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00:32<p_>any ideas on what the problem might be?
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00:39<p_>hi all, i'm trying to establish a remote gui connection (like ssh, but with gui) to debian from mint. i'd like to use default debian tools (instead of use other aplications like x2go, etc.) is there a way to make this work?
00:40<jmcnaught>p_: did you try using the Find button in vinagre's connect dialog?
00:41<p_>jmcnaught : u mean instead of typing the ip? if so, i didnt... i'll try now
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00:44<p_>ok, tired that. find gives me ipv6 and ipv4 options for debian's session, i selected ipv4, click 'connect', then i get the same error 'connection to host '10.0.0.100' was closed'
00:44<p_>same thing happens if i select the ipv6 option
00:47<p_>now, different question (but related)... this would require that i'm logged in to debian (for screen sharing to work), right? if so, is there an option to open a new session remotely? for example, when using ssh i can connect to the server without having to have a local session open on the server. is it possible to do the same with a graphical interface?
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00:50<p_>i don't know the terminology... the closest i can think of is connecting to a virtual windows desktop over the internet: from my local computer i 'call' the virtual desktop over the internet, type my credential and i get the windows graphical interface
00:51<jmcnaught>p_: on the Debian system whose screen you want to share you can run "journalctl -f" as root to follow the system journal live, then try connecting with vinagre. There should me messages in the journal about the connection attempt.
00:51<p_>is it possible to do the same here? the difference would be that instead of 'over the internet, calling a virtual windows desktop', i'd be 'calling local debian over my lan'
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00:53<infosec>The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries
00:53<infosec> nor crypto modules. If that's on purpose, you may want to uninstall the 'cryptsetup-initramfs' package in order to disable the cryptsetup initramfs integration and avoid this warning.
00:54<infosec>but in my case the cryptsetup-initramfs IS installed
00:55<infosec>so if I *do want disk encryption then what
00:56<redbrass>infosec: then you need to set up disk encryption properly and make sure your initramfs has the relevant information. That warning should disappear once that is done. I think - I'm speculating here - not stating from experience...
00:56<infosec>so "may not" implies probably don't ?
00:57<redbrass>Or you can remove cryptsetup-initramfs, and the warning should disappear too - assuming you are NOT going to do disk encryption.
00:58<redbrass>er. I'm not seeing "may not" anywhere...
01:01<p_>jmcnaught : when i try using vinagre, journalctl does not do anything. just to make sure it was working, i opened a ssh session; journalctl recorded it.
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01:02<p_>the problem seems to be with vinagre making the connection
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01:03<redbrass>p_: opening an SSH session is the same as opening a new terminal window. It is a fresh independent instance of a shell. What you are trying to accomplish is a shared DISPLAY. I'm not familiar with vinagre, but have used VNC and native X windows for this in the past. (X windows was difficult to configure so I do not recommend that approach)
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01:05<jmcnaught>p_: do you have a firewall blocking ports on the Debian system?
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01:07<p_>redbrass : It is a fresh independent instance <-- this is what i'm trying to accomplish. i got to vinagre because while researching i found 'vinagre - a remote desktop viewer for the GNOME Desktop' which made me think it would let me do what i'm trying to do; however it sounds like it is not exactly what i want
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01:07<p_>jmcnaught : not one i configured, it'd be whatever is default on the debian install
01:09<p_>i'm checking now
01:09<redbrass>"remote desktop viewer" means connecting to a remote system using a GUI interface. I use KRDC for that (on KDE). It support RDP, and VNC out of the box. You would just need to enable RDP on the target computer first.
01:10<redbrass>It sounds to me like you are attempting to connect to a box that has not started the remote sharing capabilities.
01:11<p_>redbrass : i might be using wrong terminology... what i'm trying to accomplish is: from a remote computer on my lan, open a new, idependent graphical (i.e., gui) session on a server (which is running debian) on my lan
01:12<redbrass>k. then KRDC or vinagre seem to be the right direction.
01:12<jmcnaught>p_: are you sure you turned the screen sharing on in GNOME settings?
01:13<p_>redbrass : my debian is running gnome, krdc is for kde so wouldn't work, no?
01:13<redbrass>not without installing a bunch of KDE libraries. I mean it would happen automatically but it is a lot of extra stuff you don't really need.
01:14<p_>jmcnaught : the switch is 'on' for screen sharing; i didn't see a 'save' button. not sure how to confirm whether it is actually 'on'. also, i don't find a firewall (seems like i'd have to install one)
01:14<redbrass>I'm assuming you have already seen pages like this https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/07/remote-desktop-sharing-ubuntu-20-04/ ?
01:15<p_>redbrass : yup
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01:17<redbrass>hmm.. I'm out of ideas then. Normally you have to "serve" your target desktop somehow - such as a VNC server. Then a client tool - vinagre in this case - would connect to the resource that is being served.
01:17<infosec>The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries
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01:20<p_>jmcnaught : 'netstat -lnt' shows port 5900 and 5901 'listening'
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01:26<p_>on vinagre, how/where do i specify the pwd to use when connecting to the server?
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01:28<jmcnaught>It should prompt for the password
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01:44<p_>jmcnaught : going back to netstat, it is only listening 5900 on local (127.0.0.1), might this be the problem?
01:45<p_>i'm trying to find how to enable 0.0.0.0:5900
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04:03<ifvoid>hmm, is there an easy way to list all installed packages from a specific repository (e.g., backports)?
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04:08<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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05:12<aames>hello
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05:16<aames>so I've been trying to get a touchscreen on a chinese tablet.. a SuperSonic "Windows 10" tablet.. no hardware listed at all relating to a touchscreen in the lspci/lsusb etc.. hwinfo.. nothing
05:17<aames>also looking for a Debian sid/unstable/testing irc channel or discord..
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05:20<aames>all the discords linux related yell at me for running sid and that upsets me.. should I really not be using it, even though I like having all the latest updates/packages? I'm fiarly new to debian been running windows for the last 10+ years but ran Slackware back in the 90s, so I'm not a total newb.. and I've been learning a LOT
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05:25<craigevil>!debian-next
05:25<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
05:25<asdf>also no js0 listed in /dev/input/ ?
05:25<asdf>aames:
05:26<aames>no there's not
05:27<aames>cd by-id
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05:27<aames>misstell
05:27<asdf>*Having trouble myself getting Sony VIAO touchscreen to work
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05:27<craigevil>discord is crap
05:27<asdf>^
05:28<aames>if you know of any sid/unstable foccused debian channels on irc/anywhere please tell me :)
05:29<craigevil>you didn't see what dpkg said above?
05:29<craigevil> #debian-next here on oftc
05:29<aames>oohh now I did, thanks
05:30<aames>asdf: I had a sony VIAO back in like 2001 it was SWEEET.. such a neat PC
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05:36<asdf>the looks are nice, but it's quite audible(sweeping CPU fan/already replaced the old paste, it's a 1st gen i5/4GB), received that device from some one, though it might be a neat device for the living room for controlling media(if I get that touch screen working that is).
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05:49<aames>anyone have any recommendations for useful tools/apps/things.. like things you install right away on a fresh install?
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06:02<ilcontadino>hello, I am quite new to debian and I am trying to solve the following problem. I have a debootstrap image (let's call it 'my-root-fs'), What I want to do is to install a package (plus missing dependencies) in a different place outside 'my-root-fs'. So, in other words, I am looking for a mechanism to get 'apt'/'dpkg'/'something' using the database in 'my-root-fs', but actually install files elsewhere. Is this possible?
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06:47<aames>anybody use conky? or have any cool kde plasma widgets? I'm looking for a conkyrc that has a crazy amount of details.. like logs even
06:48<gateway2000>theres a real good conky thread on the bunsenlabs forums
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06:48<gateway2000>https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=512
06:48<aames>ok I'll check it.. thanks! I just am looking for one I can edit a little and go.. I could write it from scratch but I'm lazy
06:50<gateway2000>maybe not lazy, just practical :)
06:50<aames>yeah we can say that instead.. :)
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06:55<ottavio>Are Chromebook running Debian nowadays? I remember that Chromeos started as a fork of Gentoo.
06:55<ottavio>s/book/books
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07:05<aames>I think so, and if you need a i386 boot loader use the multiarch debian iso
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07:05<aames>but touchscreen stuff I haven't figured out yet
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07:10<craigevil>ames: my conky https://imgur.com/tgekTY4
07:13<jm_>speaking of conky, can it show cpu usage line graphs for each core in one area as opposed to each in its own area or bars like in this example?
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07:13<jm_>last I looked it couldn't
07:14<aames>nice, I got this cool clock config.. it loks like this https://imgur.com/a/YvINbE4
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07:16<aames>I think so, I've read that you need to run seperate instances of conky in order to do seperate areas.. like.. I have made 3 conkyrc files and start them in a shell script to run in the background.. then call teh script on boot/X11 startup
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07:24<alex11>conky annoys me because i've never found out how to move it
07:24<alex11>but oh well
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07:25<aames>xinerama_head = 2, <<-- will move it to differnt monitors.. but yeah iot's annoying to fidn the right coordinates hah
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07:29<cxza>Anyone know where LibreOffice tools store their logs? I'm trying to get an extension to work.
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08:35<ottavio>Can I just nuke pulseaudio and have alsa on my Debian or will it break everything?
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08:37<blast007>are you having a specific problem with pulseaudio that we could assist with?
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08:40<ottavio>Not massive problems, just annoyances.
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08:41<bremner>it's probably fair to say you will also encounter annoyances if you try to run without pulseaudio, if only because it is a less common configuration
08:41<bremner>it's a bit like asking "can i run debian without systemd". The answer is "yes, but"
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08:42<bremner>there are probably people in the channel that do both, and are just itching to talk about it.
08:42<aruna>HI I am having trouble booting the 5.11.11 kernel. A link to a screenshot is below. Has anyone experienced this ? If so how do I resolve please ?
08:42<aruna>https://paste.pics/7e3678a8a94b2a0709843b16c04469d3
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08:44<bremner>uh. what kind of system is that? the busybox looks ancient
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08:48<aruna>bremner, hey am running debian and yeah it's ancient 3.16.0-4-amd
08:48<aames>I think busybox is the recovery/emergency shell?
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08:49<Sqrt{not}>looks like jessie
08:49<bremner>aruna: have you tried a 4.x kernel? that might be available from backports for whatever debian version you have
08:50<bremner>upgrading to stable would probably help.
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08:51<aruna>bremner, that is what I am trying to do. upgrade to 5.11.11 and then this happens :-(
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08:51<bremner>aruna: but 5.11 is not even in debian yet
08:52<bremner>so not the obvious / tested upgrade path
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08:54<aruna>bremner, ohkay so what is the newest kernel I should go with then ?
08:54<Sqrt{not}>aruna, it is better to upgrade the entire operating system, not just the kernel
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08:57<aruna>Sqrt{not}, okay so which version of debian would you recommend?
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08:57<avu>aruna: stable (buster, currently) is usually the safe bet
08:58<alex11>but if you're on jessie you can't go straight there
08:58<alex11>you have to go jessie > stretch > buster
08:58<alex11>bullseye releases in a few months so after that you can either stay on buster for about a year or move to bullseye
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09:00<Sqrt{not}>aruna, if you don't have lots of things to save, you could also just install a newer system from zero
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09:16<aruna>alex11, that's a real serious pain duh why can't I run the latest kernel without having to go through 'each' one ? But thanks for pointing this out :-)
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09:18<bremner>why do you want a 2021 kernel in a relase from 2015?
09:18<bremner>i.e what problem are you trying to solve?
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09:48<aruna>bremner, no specific reason I just wanted to try the new kernel is all. Am not trying to solve a problem. Just experimenting and learning along the way.
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10:05<Sqrt{not}>aruna, if you just want to try out new versions, try booting a live-system -- a complete new debian system, self-contained on a USB or DVD.
10:05<Sqrt{not}>!live
10:05<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images.
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10:23<aruna>dpkg, Sqrt{not} Thanks
10:23<dpkg>aruna: wish i knew
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10:25<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, are you a bot
10:25<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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12:39<panocho>good afternoon
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13:31<alex11>basic rsync backup is to rsync -av things as normal user for everything else and as root for /root?
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15:03<b2ag>hi@all, anyone know how to tell/preseed partman to use existing filesystems and continue install on them? I have a script creating LVM on top of crypted software raid1. Now I want to continue debian installation on my raid1 boot and LVM+crypto+raid1 root. My script could alter /var/lib/partman/devices/... if that helps.
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16:45<superkuh>I am trying to prepare a Quilt based patch for a debian source package (gtk-3.0, filechooser location mode behavior) following https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/07/04/how-to-prepare-patches-for-debian-packages/ section 2.2.1. Do I run the quilt commands from within ../packagename/debian or ../packagename/ ? Does it matter?
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16:51<sarnold>superkuh: iirc from the ../packagename/ directory; for some reason I had to use this alias from time to time: dq is aliased to `export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches'
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16:52<sarnold>I never figured out why I needed that, but I needed it enough that I've got an alias for it
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16:54<superkuh>Thanks.
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17:26<uoou>Hi! I use GNOME, I've installed hplib-gui, and now every time I login into GNOME I've got an error dialog saying "no systray". I have tracked that it comes from hplip/ui4/systemtray.py where QSystemTrayIcon.isSystemTrayAvailable() returns False, but I don't know what to do from there... How is the system tray managed in GNOME?
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17:30<uoou>(the command is "hp-systray", which is autostarted at GNOME session startup)
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17:39<sarnold>uoou: I think gnome doesn't have a system tray any more
17:40<uoou>Oh it looks like it is already reported in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=793675
17:40<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/793675 in hplip-gui (open): «hplip-gui: No system tray detected»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-07-26; last modified: 2020-10-17.
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17:49<jhutchins>2015 ...
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17:51<uoou>QSystemTrayIcon is part of Qt 5: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qsystemtrayicon.html, invoked in the Python program "hp-systray"
17:53<uoou>Apparently GNOME has replaced the "system tray" with the "Notifications": https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/will-you-miss-gnome-legacy-tray
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17:59<uoou>And they do not work the same way. For the notification spec, see https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/.
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18:34<infosec>I had to hard reboot Buster, now I'm getting a failed to start
18:34<infosec>tried 3 kernels not in rescue mode all put me back in terminal rescue #
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18:35<infosec>journalctl -xb says kernel locked down from EFI secure boot hmm
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18:58<uoou>infosec: can "grub-install" help?
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19:20<segamain>hey guys I installed debian, but I don't know what to do with it, is there anything cool and fun I could do/learn to do ? drop some recommendations please
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19:21<segamain>IT is really cool and shi*t, but I don't know where to start
19:22<sarnold>it really comes down to what you're interested in; maybe that's trying out different languages, maybe that's playing different games, maybe that's setting up firewalling or proxies or dns servers, or maybe that's doing scientific computing, or maybe software defined radio, or maybe it's artwork or music or ..
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19:28<segamain>sarnold: Yeah I'm interested in networking. I could watch a tcp course but I also like music. I miss FL Studio on Win10. btw is there a program like FL for linux ? that would bee awesome
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19:29<abrotman>Fruit Loops?
19:29<segamain>yes
19:30<abrotman>I've not used it, but lmms is one option.
19:30<abrotman>dpkg: lmms
19:30<dpkg>Linux MultiMedia Studio (LMMS) is a free, cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL Studio, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much more. http://lmms.sf.net/wiki http://lmms.sf.net/ #lmms on irc.freenode.net.
19:30<segamain>lmms ? link ?
19:30<abrotman>segamain: typically, you'd apt install lmms
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19:31<segamain>ahh right.... old habits die really hard
19:32<sarnold>segamain: try "apt-cache search fl studio" -- it'll give a few packages that have 'fl' and 'studio' in their description; there'll be packages that aren't at all related, but maybe some are. You can run apt-cache show <packagename> to learn more about one, and "apt install <packagename>" to install it
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19:35<segamain>sarnold: thx appreciate it
19:36<segamain>know any other networking courses ?
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19:38<abrotman>any other?
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19:39<segamain>abortman: I'm watching a tcp course rn
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19:40<segamain>abortman: seems beginner friendly. know any others ?
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19:43<sarnold>segamain: I learned a lot of stuff from w richard steven's books in the tcp/ip illustrated series, but they're dated enough today that I'm not sure they're a great place to start :(
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19:43<segamain>:/
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19:44<sney>any one of the entry-level network certification courses will teach you a lot about tcp/ip, osi layers, routing protocols, nat/firewalling, etc. CCNA, JNCIA, that level
19:44<segamain>sarnold: I don't know how old they are, but I like retro stuff so I might give it a try
19:46<sarnold>segamain: cool cool :) his advanced programming in the unix environment books are some of the best programming books ever -- someone's been making new editions of those, which is fantastic
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20:00<segamain>This might offtopic for this channel but...... how advanced are you guys ? and at which point am I going to use the ZONE (the concentration thing where you're stuck to the pc) ?
20:02<sarnold>segamain: in some things, very advanced; in other things, barely a beginner. there's so much to do, so much to know
20:04<segamain>ah jeez 198$ for all three volumes of the TCP/IP illustrated books by W. Richard Stevens and Gary R. Wright
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20:06<segamain>sarnold: Now I want these books :D
20:08<sarnold>segamain: *nod* *nod*
20:08<sarnold>segamain: I *might* have only the first of that series, iirc that's enough
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20:08<sarnold>I think the second one was a walkthrough of the BSD TCP/IP source code, and the third was oddball stuff that's not used any more
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20:55<p>hi all. having issues with 'tcpdump', trying to run it as root i get 'bash: tcpdump: command not found'; however, 'apt list --installed | grep tcp' shows 'tcpdump/stable,now 4.9.3-1~deb10u2 amd64 [installed]'. what am i missing?
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20:59<jmcnaught>!buster su
20:59<dpkg>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
20:59<jmcnaught>p: ^ if you became root with "su" then you don't have /sbin and /usr/sbin in your PATH
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21:01<p>jmcnaught: ah, ok. so as pointed by @dpkg i should use 'su -', i guess. trying that now
21:01<p>that worked! thanks @jmcnaught and @dpkg
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22:45<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I have a known person that is facing this issue in debian: https://vankraft32.imgur.com/all/?third_party=1
22:46<sarnold>"Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn."
22:46<sarnold>iirc imgur requires you to click something else to get the actual link to the thing you just uploaded
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22:48<r4fkramer>Hi sarnold. Oh, I'm sorry, sarnold, I used imgur years ago, I forgot to complete the request
22:49<r4fkramer>https://imgur.com/a/X9bbhz6
22:50<sarnold>r4fkramer: oh that's bad nes. machine check exceptions are almost always failed hardware
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22:51<r4fkramer>Should this then be attributed to damaged or very limited hardware for a complete installation of debian 10.9?
22:52<r4fkramer>Would you know to tell me what types of probable failures are these according to these error messages?
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22:59<sarnold>r4fkramer: blown capacators, chips not seated correctly, broken or bent pins, broken motherboard traces, bad power supply, bad power cables, etc
23:00<sarnold>r4fkramer: your message mentions the cpu; I've seen other machine check exception messages reporting memory, which could have other problems too
23:00<sarnold>r4fkramer: maybe replacing the cpu would be enough, but motherboard capacators are more likely to go bad over time
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23:02<r4fkramer>So, this machine is not viable for a Debian installation. I will suggest that he provide a better machine.
23:02<r4fkramer>It was an emergency for me to give him a quick answer; in my case, I would research before posting a question here.
23:02<r4fkramer>Thank you very much for your assistance, and I'm sorry for that, Sarnold.
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23:03<sarnold>r4fkramer: sorry to be the barer of bad news :(
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23:04<dvs>you love it!!!
23:04<r4fkramer>The news is excellent for Me; You clarified the problem for me quickly, and with that, this issue is closed on the user's side. Really thank you very much!
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23:05<sarnold>dvs: there *is* a part of me that's happy to give clarity to confusing error messages -- but still, it's not fun to the computer's check engine light turn on ..
23:06<r4fkramer>Moral of the story: want a Debian running on your computer? Provide one that is good - this machine probably must have been built in late 1918, after the War
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23:07<sarnold>hahaha
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23:08<sarnold>I had machine check exceptions on one machine that i had used fine for years, but once I got a job and started doing *work* on it, hour-long compiles etc, it couldn't complete those without MCEs :(
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23:08<dvs>OS/2 used to be like that. It didn't like shoddy hardware.
23:09<sarnold>I expect you'd see these errors regardless of os
23:09<dvs>Nope. Windows wouldn't complain.
23:10<r4fkramer>sarnold, and and for this reason, were you unable to complete your work? Or did you lose the whole?
23:10<sarnold>I suggest a search with your favourite image search tool -- you'll see windows even has *pretty* screens to report them :)
23:10<sarnold>r4fkramer: I bought a new computer
23:10<sarnold>r4fkramer: it was older enough machine at that point that it didn't make sense to throw money after trying to repair it
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23:12<r4fkramer>Yes, and that is what the person in question who asked me for help should do.
23:12<r4fkramer>He took to heart the idea that Debian is so good that it can even run on a small broken radio, or on a potato.
23:12<sarnold>potatoes, yes :) broken potatoes, no :(
23:14<r4fkramer>Oh yeah, these are broken potatoes, in fact. Of course, Debian is a phenomenon of portability and stability; but you can't do miracles, either, right? lol
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23:16<r4fkramer>I have an old machine that still runs debian stretch and FreeBSD 10.3 - it's Dell Optiplex 210 L, 2006, the hard disk is a 20 GB capacity IDE, year 2005. And it still runs both OS well, believe me? ehehehehe
23:17<sarnold>*wow*
23:17<sarnold>I'm not sure about *well*, but I'd believe it runs :) hehe
23:17<sarnold>alright, time to go, have fun r4fkramer
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23:18<r4fkramer>Have you a good rest, sarnold, really thank you for help !:)
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23:40<keats>Hey there, again
23:41<keats>I manually set up encryption (plain dm-crypt) and installed GNU/Linux on my computer. And while booting from HDD, it does not ask me for passphrase but tries to mount the root logical volume (yes, lvm) and because it isn't there, just drops to initramfs shell
23:41<keats>any ideas what i might be missing?
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