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00:12<superkuh>Is there any way to make crontab work like it used to where crontab changes were immediately applied? Debian 10 cron doesn't actually reload it's config when you save it. It waits to load the new crontab on every minute. So if you set something for the next minute it fails every time. You have to set crontab jobs 2 minutes ahead.
00:18<superkuh>Additionally, crontab does not restart or adapt when system time is changed. It just keeps on chugging using the old time. Same with syslog.
00:19<superkuh>These two things make for an incredibly confusing experience with crontab on buster.
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01:54<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I continue facing the same issue from 3 days ago, still without any solution, despite lots of research already done: https://paste.debian.net/1192268/
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02:03<themill>those log entries are truncated at 104 characters and there is likely more info in the rest of the message
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02:09<r4fkramer>Thank you for answering, themill. I will prepare a new post here.
02:10<themill>(add --no-pager to the command line)
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02:15<r4fkramer>themill, here you are: https://paste.debian.net/1192270/
02:16<themill>does /var/log/apache2/ exist and what are its permissions?
02:17<r4fkramer>yes, I had to create it and reacreate it several times. I realize I didn't pay attention about its permissions. I'll check it and pass you details.
02:18<r4fkramer>Now, I typed the command: 'systemctl enable apache2'
02:18<r4fkramer>The output is: Synchronizing state of apache2.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
02:19<r4fkramer>Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable apache2
02:20<r4fkramer>I have to reboot it here to check if it worked. I'll be back in some minutes, and hope to see you here, themill. Thank you very much for attention and Great Support :)
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02:26<r4fkramer>themill, issues continue here. I think it's related to permissions of /var/log/apache2/
02:27<themill>what does "stat /var/log/apache2/" say?
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02:29<r4fkramer>stat: cannot stat '/var/log/apache2/': No such file or directory
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02:29<r4fkramer>So, I will have to create it again. But, you said about permissions for it....
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02:33<themill>why is this directory going missing?
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02:35<r4fkramer>I made this ask tons of times; I really don't know. Other strange question: when I boot debian with 4.19 kernel, apache service is started normally. When I boot it using 5.10, this issue happens....
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02:36<r4fkramer>But it happes only in this Debian installation. On the other installed in virt-manager, it boots normally, even using 5.10
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02:42<themill>is /var/log/apache2 on a different filesystem that isn't getting mounted under one of these kernels>
02:43<r4fkramer>Sorry, I don't know how to check it. Please, how do I proceed to confirm that ?
02:44<r4fkramer>I created it again, just one moment, please, I'll prepare a new paste.
02:45<themill>comparing the output of "mount" will show if the mounts are different
02:45<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1192272/
02:46<themill>It would normally be root:adm not root:root and it would normally be 0750 not 0755... but I don't think that would cause the problem
02:47<r4fkramer>(0755/drwxr-xr-x), is that right this permission ?
02:48<r4fkramer>Apparently 'mount' output both as root or normal user is the same.
02:48<r4fkramer>If you prefer, I can post it for you
02:52<r4fkramer>According you analysis, permissions for this directory are Ok.
02:58<r4fkramer>tail: cannot open '/var/log/apache2/error.log' for reading: No such file or directory
02:59<r4fkramer>r4fkram+ 2397 0.0 0.0 6080 896 pts/0 S+ 03:59 0:00 | | \_ grep apache
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04:46<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
04:46<cousin_luigi>Is there a tentative release date for Bullseye?
04:47<themill>no
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05:14<cousin_luigi>Will Debian 11 still support iptables syntax in some fashion?
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08:14<_0>any progress on running steam via primus?
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08:19<_0>https://pastebin.com/2asGg8ii
08:20<_0>in national language is "line 771: addressing error
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08:23<_0>here /home/z/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: рядок 771: 17445 Помилка адресування $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$STEAMEXEPATH" "$@" is line 771: 17445 addressing error ...
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09:42<richard_h>has the requirement for apt keys changed up between stretch and buster?
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09:43<richard_h>I have a key from a private repo, and it's a 1024-bit DSA key, unlike the rest which are 4096-bit RSA
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09:43<richard_h>... and it doesn't work (after exporting it from a stretch server, and converting it with gpg and putting it in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d)
09:45<richard_h>d'oh - never mind, it wasn't readable.
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10:52<srinath>i am unable to connect to ntp server
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10:57<srinath>i am unable to connect to ntp server
10:58<avu>srinath: if you want help with that, tell us what you're doing (what command) and how exactly it fails
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10:59<srinath>@avu I tried installing ntp, used timedatectl & chrony
10:59<srinath>@avu but none seems to update my system time.
10:59<srinath>@avu either there is an error with clock synchronization or the files get deleted
11:00<srinath>@avu I am using debian10(BUSTER)
11:00<avu>srinath: still very vague
11:01<avu>srinath: have you tried the things mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/NTP and if so what's their exact output?
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11:02<avu>srinath: if you're using systemd-timesync, what does timedatectl status say?
11:03<alegator32>привет
11:03<avu>!ru
11:03<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
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11:04<srinath>@avu I tried to purge the ntp but timedatectl set-ntp true flag is required
11:04<srinath>@avu ntpd is deprecated and cannot be used
11:04<srinath>@avu so they asked to use the timedatectl(systemd-service)
11:04<srinath>whether timedatectl is using ntp as extra-layer?
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11:05<avu>srinath: please try responding to my requests if you want my help
11:05<srinath>@avu I am trying
11:05<avu>srinath: what does `timedatectl status` say?
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11:05<srinath>give me some time so that let me take the results in notepad
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11:06<avu>srinath: if that's such a complicated process, you can add `timedatectl timesync-status` right away as well
11:07<srinath>@avu
11:07<srinath> Server: (null) (ntp0.ox.ac.uk)
11:07<srinath>Poll interval: 34min 8s (min: 32s; max 34min 8s)
11:07<srinath> Packet count: 0
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11:08<avu>srinath: show the complete command you executed together with the output on a paste site. This does not look like `timedatectl status` output
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11:08<srinath>@avu
11:08<srinath>timedatectl status
11:08<srinath> Local time: Sun 2021-04-04 20:38:42 IST
11:08<srinath> Universal time: Sun 2021-04-04 15:08:42 UTC
11:08<srinath> RTC time: Sun 2021-04-04 15:08:42
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11:25<superkuh>Is there any way to make crontab work like it used to where crontab changes were immediately applied? Debian 10 cron doesn't actually reload it's config when you save it. It waits to load the new crontab on every minute. So if you set something for the next minute it fails every time. You have to set crontab jobs 2 minutes ahead.
11:27<superkuh>It's definitely more than just a non-optimal implementation. It's a bug.
11:28<richard_h>is that a normal crontab, edited with crontab -e?
11:28<superkuh>Yes.
11:28<superkuh>It's been normal since about 1999.
11:29<richard_h>or the system ones, where you just drop it in a directory
11:29<superkuh>Oh.
11:29<superkuh>crontab -e.
11:29<superkuh>But crontab -e, apparently does nothing.
11:29<superkuh>cron only checks for updates on the minute.
11:29<richard_h>hmm - is it implemented by systemd these days?
11:29<superkuh>I assume so.
11:30<superkuh>I don't really care what init system my distro has as long as it doesn't interfere.
11:30<superkuh>Surely systemd and crontab can coexist.
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11:31<superkuh>Watch syslog.
11:31<richard_h>but I do seem to be running /usr/bin/cron
11:31<superkuh>Yep.
11:31<superkuh>But watch syslog.
11:31<jmcnaught>cron is still cron
11:32<superkuh>And the behavior.
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11:32<superkuh>Open it up, quickly set something for 1 minute in the future.
11:32<superkuh>Exit.
11:32<richard_h>worked for me
11:33<superkuh>You'll see crontab note the edit by $user, then at the top of the next minute: Apr 4 10:33:01 janus cron[2997]: (superkuh) RELOAD (crontabs/superkuh)
11:33<richard_h>32 3 * * * echo success >> /home/richard/crontest
11:33<superkuh>But before that happens, nothing.
11:33<superkuh>Again, make sure you set it for literally the next minute.
11:33<richard_h>saved at 3:31:09
11:33<superkuh>That should do it...
11:34<superkuh>Huh. I wonder why my machine would be different? It's a fresh install about a week ago, updated to 10.9 a couple days ago.
11:34<superkuh>I haven't really customized much but libgtk-3.0.
11:34<superkuh>I am 100% sure what I describe happens. I spent 3 hours last night and checked again just now.
11:34<richard_h>https://paste.debian.net/1192294/
11:35<richard_h>so it was a second late :-)
11:35<superkuh>https://paste.debian.net/1192295/
11:35<superkuh>After that "RELOAD" it will have the new config, but it'll be past 10:33 so anything set for 10:33 fails.
11:36<richard_h>Package: cron
11:36<richard_h>Version: 3.0pl1-134+deb10u1
11:37<superkuh>3.0pl1-134+deb10u1
11:37<richard_h>weird
11:37<superkuh>And yet different behavior and log output. :|
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11:38<superkuh>I've tried searching for deb 10/buster specific cron fixes/patches anything related, but the cron "doesn't work" search space is so overloaded finding anything is infeasible.
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11:38<superkuh>Not seeing anything immediately in https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=buster&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&flastmodval=7&dmd=1&packages=cron&cseverity=1&sortby=id&sorto=desc&format=html#results either.
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11:38<superkuh>Also of note, both syslog and cron will ignore system time changes.
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11:39<superkuh>And happily go on with the incorrect time.
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11:39<superkuh>Until manually restarted.
11:39<superkuh>At least that one is in the cron bug tracker.
11:40<superkuh>It makes me want to go back to early 2010s OSes before the bitrot set in.
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11:43<richard_h>is cron running, if you look with ps?
11:43<richard_h>root 679 0.0 0.0 8504 2768 ? Ss Apr03 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron -f
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11:50<richard_h>when you crontab -e, are you quitting the editor? Or just saving?
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12:05<superkuh>I am doing the exact same as I've been doing in crontab -e for the last 20 years.
12:05<superkuh>save then exit.
12:06<superkuh>The syslogs show this happens.
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12:50<grawity>am I the only one slightly annoyed by how debootstrap leaves a lot of lib* packages in `apt-mark showmanual` that should be marked as dependencies instead
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12:58<richard_h>hmm. I'm suddenly having second thoughts about naming my redmine server 'rm' ...
12:59<richard_h>well, rh-rm1, but still
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13:00<richard_h>grawity: more than a standard install does?
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13:22<grawity>about the same
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14:27<b2ag>hi@all, I struggle to disable ipv6 autoconf on a bridge interface configured with ifupdown. anyone know how to stop ifupdown from configuring ipv6 link local on a bridge network?
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14:29<sney>you should be able to explicitly set it as manual, e.g. iface br0 inet6 manual
14:29<sney>I haven't tried this with ipv6 specifically but it should stop ifupdown from trying to get an address
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14:50<b2ag>sney: tried that already. did not work.
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14:51<b2ag>I solved the problem with rm /etc/network/interface; vim /etc/systemd/network/*; systemctl disable --now networking && systemctl enabe --now systemd-networkd...
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15:06<cre>hello I changed my hostname in /etc/hostname to "xxx.yyy.com" and in /etc/hosts ... After restart with "/etc/init.d/hostname.sh", the hostname command show me the old hostname ... I forget anything to do?
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15:08<bremner>I wonder if you need to reboot?
15:09<bremner>hmm. that shell script just runs hostname $(cat /etc/hostname), so it should take immediate effect. dunno.
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15:11<sney>I always reboot for a new hostname, so I'm not sure, but maybe hostnamectl is needed for changing it on a running system?
15:13<cre>regarding the debian docs not, but okay, then I need D-Bus for hostnamectl. I wanted to run debian without d-bus
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16:15<DontCareFreBeer>Hi
16:16<DontCareFreBeer>I have found a bug in Debian 10. I am going to fix it now. Where can I find the source code? Navigating the website is a disaster!
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16:16<sney>sources.debian.org for source code search, tracker.debian.org for developer information including vcs
16:17<DontCareFreBeer>Sweet as. Thanks
16:17<DontCareFreBeer>Ah, this isn't going to help me. The bug I found isn't in a package, its in the CD installer. Do you know where I can find the source code for this?
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16:18<sney>debian-installer is considered a package for those purposes
16:18<DontCareFreBeer>Thanks
16:19<DontCareFreBeer>I am on the package page. It is cryptic and totally useless for me.
16:19<DontCareFreBeer>https://sources.debian.org/src/debian-installer/
16:19<DontCareFreBeer>Do you know which one is for Debian 10?
16:19<sney>!codename
16:19<dpkg>Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames
16:19<DontCareFreBeer>buster... Cool. Thanks
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16:20<DontCareFreBeer>I don't suppose you know if this can all be downloaded as a compressed file? I need to search within all the files with a keyword to find where the buggy code is.
16:21<sney>you see the panel on the right that has a link labeled VCS? that goes to the debian gitlab instance
16:22<DontCareFreBeer>Thanks. I will look now...
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16:23<DontCareFreBeer>Thank you. I got it. I will get to work now.
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16:28<DontCareFreBeer>I don't suppose anyone knows a Windows 10 Command Prompt command or Windows PowerShell command for searching a string within *.* recursively?
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16:30<haximus>hello everyone
16:30<haximus>Is this thing working?
16:30<choozy>Hey haximus
16:31<haximus>Hi there, choozy.
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16:42<DontCareFreBeer>This is fucked. I needed that command. I will do something about this bug in another 8 years.
16:42<DontCareFreBeer>Happy easter!
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16:48<sherab>any advice for alternative to BalenaEtcher image writer (other than dd)
16:48<Sqrt{not}>sherab, windows?
16:49<sherab>Sqrt{not}: Debian 11
16:49<Sqrt{not}>writing to CD or USB or where?
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16:49<sherab>Sqrt{not}: to a usb or sd card
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16:49<sherab>or external hd
16:50<Sqrt{not}>dd or cp are my usual choices.
16:50<sherab>ok
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16:50<sherab>fair go
16:50<Sqrt{not}>what are you writing, a debian boot image?
16:50<sherab>raspberypi image
16:51<haximus>Happy Easter!
16:51<sherab>and you
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16:57<Sqrt{not}>sherab, fwiw dpkg's factoid doesn't like etcher anyway
16:57<Sqrt{not}>!etcher
16:57<dpkg>Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
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16:57<Sqrt{not}>that maybe only applies to debian images, I dunno about raspberrypi images.
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16:57<sney>that's for the d-i iso though, it may be fine for something that's not hybrid
16:58<Sqrt{not}>ack
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19:53<huhuhu>Is it possible that my RAM is growing as I use HexChat? I already have about 80%. How can I check it?
19:58<huhuhu>No, it's Firefox. Increases RAM all the time. I have no idea why.
19:59<dreamer>that's what browsers tend to do
20:00<huhuhu>I have never had it like this and I have not used the computer for about 2 hours.
20:01<superkuh>Try using a browser that isn't designed as a javascript engine first.
20:02<somiaj>can totally depend on what pages you have open. Firefox development tools can tell you how much ram a certain page/tab is using.
20:02<somiaj>But since everything these days is basically a web app (even when it doesn't have to be), even minimial pages cost to much memeory
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20:05<huhuhu>I'm checking about: performance. Task Manager from Firefox.
20:06<huhuhu>I have NoScript add-on.
20:08<huhuhu>Total memory from Firefox Task Manager is equal to ~250MB.
20:08<huhuhu>On system 5063M.
20:13<sney>modern web is just extremely ram-hungry. it's unfortunate, but it's an expected behavior.
20:13<sney>firefox on my system right now is using just over 4GB
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20:15<sney>if you've closed all tabs with single page apps and videos and dynamic content and your memory usage is *still* high, then it's probably caches that will clear when you exit the browser.
20:20<huhuhu>I always have several hundred tabs open :) I was surprised that the RAM is growing even if I do nothing. As I can see, you didn't have such a situation.
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20:20<huhuhu>And it's ok now, I kill "Web Content".
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20:24<segamain> huhuhu: män :D why did you have several hundred tabs open ? (just curious)
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20:25<sney>computers have ram to be used, empty memory is wasted memory, but at the same time, developers don't prioritize efficiency nearly enough. that's kind of always been an issue but it's especially bad with web apps. oh well, guess I'll just keep adding more to every system I own
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20:29<huhuhu>segamain, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox ...
20:29<huhuhu>...Openbox is a free, [stacking window manager] <- open in new tab...
20:30<sney>the "zillion tabs" workflow is a common one
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20:30<sney>I mix it up by also having multiple windows
20:30<huhuhu>for the [X Window System] <- open in new tab
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20:32<huhuhu>+ which books I want to buy?! maybe I will open all on new tabs... :D
20:32<huhuhu>I haven't time to check this today... so another tabs for next days
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20:35<huhuhu>Something like: Let's open it up for later. :D
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20:37<huhuhu>My record is over 900. Because I had a plug in which I had to manually change the maximum amount. ^^
20:37<somiaj>pages that run scripts in the backgroudn can slowly eat up more memeory, maybe no script would help
20:40<huhuhu>Yes, but my point is, memory grew constantly for no reason. And I've never had anything like it.
20:41<huhuhu>The last thing that changed was I started using HexChat. So I bet on it. More news, more channels. someone is writing something all the time. And I thought this might be it.
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20:57<somiaj>well tools like top, htop, etc could see what was using memeory
20:57<sney>htop ++
20:58<huhuhu>I try LXTask and qps
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