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00:02<ccll7>hi
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01:03<ccll7>hi
01:03<alex11>hi ccll7, if you have a question just ask it
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01:20<ccll7>thank you!
01:21<ccll7>i first use the xchat
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03:38<carl_>hello folks!
03:38<carl_>was hoping to ask you guys a question related to firewire audio cards. anyone have any luck setting up those?
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04:51<ccll7>how to install this file tsetup.2.7.1.tar.xz in debian? who can help me?
04:52<diogenes_oftc>ccll7, extract it first.
04:53<diogenes_oftc>,v tsetup
04:53<judd>No package named 'tsetup' was found in amd64.
04:53<Unit193>If I had to guess, telegram setup?
04:53<ccll7>yes telegram!
04:54<Unit193>You could perhaps apt install telegram-desktop instead?
04:54<ccll7>https://desktop.telegram.org/ download at here link
04:55<ccll7>i try apt now
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04:58<ccll7>I can install the telegram in apt. but It isn't the lastest version
04:59<ccll7>diogenes oftc: how to extract this file?
05:00<grove>ccll7: But is it good enough?
05:01<ccll7>dio genes oftc: I have been extrace it now. 2 files in the folder
05:02<ccll7>grove: some messege can't be show
05:02<grove>There's a version of telegram-desktop in buster-backports, if you're not satisfied with the version in buster, you can try that (I don't know if that is the newest upstream)
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05:04<diogenes_oftc>ccll7, what files were extracted?
05:04<grove>Well, it's 2.2.0+ds-2~bpo10+1, there's 2.6.1+ds-1 in testing+unstable
05:04<grove>,check-backport telegram-desktop
05:04<judd>Backporting package telegram-desktop in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
05:05<ccll7>diogenes_fotc: telegram and updater
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05:06<ccll7>this 2 file can run
05:06<diogenes_oftc>i think i need to download it myself first cuz i've never used telegram.
05:06<grove>If you're not happy with 2.2.0 from buster-backports, I would try changing that and doing your own backport
05:06<grove>!ssb
05:06<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
05:06<ccll7>this 2 file can runing directly
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05:09<diogenes_oftc>ccll7, ok so you jut double click on Telegram and that's it.
05:11<ccll7>diogenes_oftc: cool, Is this the green-software?
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05:13<diogenes_oftc>ccll7, i've never used it before so no clue.
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05:21<ccll7>diogenes_oftc : no clue?
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05:25<ccll7>diogenes_oftc : I think it's working . thank you help me!
05:26<diogenes_oftc>ccll7, you can even seach for it in the menu now because it created a shortcut.
05:26<diogenes_oftc>search*
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10:33<anon1337>hola guys, where i can find binaries for realtek baseband? rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin & etc
10:34<sig_9>non-free
10:35<sig_9>https://debian.pkgs.org/10/debian-nonfree-amd64/firmware-realtek_20190114-2_all.deb.html
10:35<blast007>specifically, the firmware-realtek package from the non-free repository
10:36<blast007>if you're trying to install over wifi, you can also use an installer image that already contains most firmware
10:36<blast007>!firmware images
10:36<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>.
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10:47<anon1337>tnx guys! if i understand you correctly, i must place "firmware-realtek_20190114-2_all.deb" file on flashdrive? does it matter which format of partition do i use on flashdrive? sorry for grammar, now i have shitty connection, so i havent possibility to translate
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10:49<Sqrt{not}>anon1337, are you already running debian? or are you installing debian?
10:50<anon1337>no, im on process of installing
10:50<blast007>here's the instructions in the install media: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.en.html
10:52<blast007>looks like there they suggest downloading a tar or zip that contains all the firmware files
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10:52<blast007>otherwise you should be able to extract the contents of that .deb you downloaded and put the firmware files inside a 'firmware' directory on the root of a FAT formatted flash drive
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10:56<Sqrt{not}>they left, but the way that ch06s04 is worded, "If the firmware you need is not included in the tarball, you can also download specific firmware packages from the (non-free section of the) archive." I am guessing someone could just put the package file on the USB stick? haven't ever done it myself
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10:58<anon1337>also, tnx!
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11:44<drzacek>hello
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11:45<drzacek>I have a list of installed packaged on my system, and now just created a list of not automatically installed (thus - manually?) installed packaged
11:45<drzacek>the diff is what was automatically installed - how can I check WHAT installed it? aka which packaged wanted it?
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11:47<alex11>so i don't know if there's a foolproof way to check that (it depends on conditions) but "aptitude why" might be helpful
11:47<alex11>drzacek
11:47<stephanlachnit>drzacek: You can use apt rdepends --installed*pkgname*
11:49<drzacek>so reverse depends shows me which require it and which recommend it
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11:49<drzacek>but! does it show this info based on installed packages, or based on in-repo-available packages?
11:50<drzacek>I want to find out the reason why package is installed on the system now, what MIGHT install it
11:50<stephanlachnit>drzacek: When you do it with --installed, only installed packages, without it repo wide.
11:50<stephanlachnit>E.g. when you have gcc installed automatically and want to find out why, run apt rdepends --installed gcc, and you can see which packages depend or recommend gcc
11:51<drzacek>oh right, me stupid
11:51<drzacek>great, this is what I needed, thank you
11:51<stephanlachnit>drzacek: You're welcome
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12:35<aames>anyone interested in thie radargold.com domain name? expiring soon haven't found a buyer.. cheap/free/or for donation.. must have a godaddy account .. or a trade even
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12:47<zOop>antiX 5.8 or Debian 5.10 kernal ??? in mx linux
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12:49<avu>!mx linux
12:49<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
12:50<somiaj>aames: this really isn't the place to advertise such things.
12:50<zOop>okkkey
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12:52<aames>sorry yeah I know, just couldn't find anywhere else, plus I'm willing to give it away free so figured it wouldn't be a big deal but you're right I'm sorry
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13:26<mohamed>youtube not working on my debian test
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14:15<segamain>does anybody know an android flashing tool for debian ??
14:15<segamain>I kinda bricked my android
14:16<bremner>fastboot?
14:17<bremner>the version in stable is probably pretty old though
14:17<segamain>bremner yeah I tried fast boot with a SD card didn't work though just a blackscreen
14:18<bremner>sounds like you need to talk to android experts (#android on freenode maybe?)
14:19<segamain>bremner: Already did that they suggested fastboot with sd card
14:19<segamain>bremner: but I need a flashing tool for debian
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14:20<bremner>I don't know of any other than fastboot
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14:22<scorpion2185[m]>how do I check packages version here? IS there a command ?
14:22<sarnold>apt-cache search foo
14:22<sarnold>eg apt-cache search android flash
14:24<scorpion2185[m]>IS there a command for this channel to see sid, experimental stable versions?
14:24<segamain>bremner: ohhh thats the tool :D my device is overy old and it's semi bricked I still see the logo there is even a recovery mode with the fast boot option I thought you suggested to try with an sd card as well :D thanks though
14:25<segamain>sarnold: yep got to remember that it doesn' stick easily
14:25<segamain>:D
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14:26<jmcnaught>scorpion2185[m]: you can "/msg judd versions foo" see https://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for all the commands. judd is also in this channel and can be triggered by addressing it to provide info when you are helping someone
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14:42*scorpion2185[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bbiNAdEJNEylJMRuaxXqTLeu/message.txt >
14:44<sarnold>you'll need to figure out how to send private messages on matrix, I guess
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14:47<scorpion2185[m]>the matrix name is of judd is "@_oftc_judd:matrix.org", thanks
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14:51<sarnold>ew :)
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15:05<admin1>hola
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15:06<admin1>alguien que hable español
15:06<sarnold>!es
15:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
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15:07<micha-->Hi, trying to set up exim with a smarthost. I had the issue that all mail to root was forwarded to root@smarthost. Now I found a fix on stackexchange that worked for my debian stable system, but it didn't work for the debian testing system.
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15:08<micha-->Here's the bit that worked on buster: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/235112/exim-email-to-root-ignores-etc-aliases-and-root-forward-always-used-qualif
15:08<admin1>!es
15:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
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15:09<micha-->Now I am looking for clues why Debian testing seems to ignore my /etc/aliases?
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15:15<debianuser>Hello. I have a weird question. It's kind of about debian. But it still may be offtopic here. In that case please tell what what's a proper place to ask it. :)
15:15<debianuser>So, question: I've heard there's a secret voting about Stallman... So I'm curious, how debian implements the "secret" part?
15:15<debianuser>I mean, if individual votes are not published - you can't be sure that someone had not manipulated the results. But if votes are published - it's not a secret voting any more.
15:15<debianuser>I have an idea how it can be solved (there're many ways, I suppose). But I was curious how debian usually solves this issue?
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15:17<sarnold>debianuser: I've never heard of debian votes being private, they're collected and published on https://www.debian.org/vote/
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15:19<debianuser>sarnold: I mean the results are published. But not the individual votes? Or individual votes for the Stallman's vote would be published later too?
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15:21<debianuser>(Someone told me that it's going to be a secret voting... Maybe I was wrong...)
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15:22<sarnold>debianuser: I'm not a debian member so I haven't heard any details about this vote being any different than other votes
15:22<sarnold>debianuser: but https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 for example has the votes linked in the 'tally sheet' link https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002_tally.txt
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15:24<bremner>debianuser: note that DPL elections are already secret in Debian, so there is no technical / procedural problem.
15:24<bremner>but I would suggest further non-support discussion go to #debian-offtopic
15:24<sarnold>ah thanks bremner, I hadn't heard that
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15:27<debianuser>bremner: I was just curious how the "secret" part is done. :) Do you by chance have an example of the past "secret" vote? (What's DPL?)
15:27<bremner>Debian Project Leader
15:28<bremner>https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/vote_001
15:28<bremner>https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/vote_001_tally.txt
15:29<sarnold>oh that's *cool*
15:30<debianuser>Oh! That's nice! Thanks! (I was thinking about a similar idea, except I though that each voter would generate its own random key)
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15:53<scorpion2185[m]>can someone make build gnome 40 for users to try/use it on stable without touching the Debian packages? jhbuild seems perfect.
15:53<scorpion2185[m]>I tried but I failed some modules, Some I don't know why others I have too old version of something
15:53<scorpion2185[m]> * can someone build gnome 40 for users to try/use it on stable without touching the Debian packages? jhbuild seems perfect.
15:53<scorpion2185[m]>I tried but I failed some modules, Some I don't know why others I have too old version of something
15:53<scorpion2185[m]> * can someone build gnome 40 for users to try/use it on stable without touching the Debian packages? jhbuild seems perfect.
15:53<scorpion2185[m]>I tried but it failed some modules, some I don't know why others I have too old version of something.
15:55<sarnold>it's best to not correct spelling mistakes, it's annoying to irc users to see the same lines three or four times
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16:03<aig>hello there
16:03<aig>are here around any programmers ?
16:04<zleap>hi
16:05<aig>hi
16:05<aig>where from, friend ?
16:05<zleap>I am not as such, but may be able to point you in the right direction
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16:05<zleap>I am from England
16:05<aig>ok, great, where to ?
16:05<aig>the right direction
16:05<zleap>if you ask what you want to ask about programming
16:06<zleap>i may be able to suggest a channel on irc that can help
16:06<aig>general talking about files, unix, web, programming, what is philosophically a file (on web/inet), etc
16:06<aig>a HTML file is more that a TXT file
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16:07<zleap>html is text with markup
16:07<zleap>where as a text file is just text i guess
16:07<aig>html --> distributed computing
16:07<aig>txt --> unix in the '70s
16:07<zleap>so <b>hello</b> < html
16:07<zleap>yeah
16:07<aig>yeah
16:08<aig>what is that perfect channel ?
16:08<zleap>not sure on here
16:08<zleap>i am also on freenode
16:08<aig>but where ?
16:08<zleap>so maybe try #free-rms I am on there now and there are a few programmers
16:09<zleap>so from there we can find a freenode channel
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16:12<zleap>aig, is that helpful?
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16:13<bremner>#debian-offtopic if you want to stay on oftc
16:13<bremner>!chat
16:13<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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17:27<startling_geologist>I am doing this: -> echo "1" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo <- to turn intel turbo boost off. What would be a good way to make this permanent? Like maybe excecute this on startup automatically?
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17:33<startling_geologist>What is a standard way to do that?
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17:36<ddsys>mabye intel_pstate=no_turbo in grub
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17:38<kaitsh>startling_geologist: I'd put it in a shell script and execute the script on startup with a systemd service
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17:40<startling_geologist>does that work with something that requires root priviliges too?
17:41<kaitsh>yes, just put User=root in the service section of the service file.
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17:43<startling_geologist>Is there an example service file I could copy shipped with debian somewhere?
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17:45<kaitsh>My service file looks like this: https://pastebin.com/3pJM3vkp
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17:47<startling_geologist>where would you save this? and where would you put the shell scrip file?
17:48<kaitsh>I have the shell script in /usr/local/bin/ and the service in /etc/systemd/system/. After putting your service in this folder you need to run "systemctl enable your-service.service".
17:49<startling_geologist>thanks a lot. and with user=root you don't need the sudo part, right?
17:49<kaitsh>yep
17:51<startling_geologist>and for the shell script the first line is #!/bin/dash and then in the next line what I would just execture on the command line?
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17:53<kaitsh>yes. If you use /bin/dash you should change the "ExecStart" from /bin/bash -c to /bin/dash -c
17:53<startling_geologist>thanks again. instead of && I can just do a newline in a written shell script file, correct?
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17:55<kaitsh>The script must also be executable. Make sure to run "chmod +x ./your-file.sh" after creating the shell script. The part after && is only executed if the first command succeeded. If you don't need this check, you could just do a newline.
17:56<startling_geologist>cheers!
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17:58<startling_geologist>if I have WantedBy=multi-user.target, will it also run if i start into the graphical target?
18:00<kaitsh>yes, multi-user.target is runlevel 3 and runs before the graphical target.
18:00<startling_geologist>ok, thanks a lot for the excellent answer. I will see at next reboot if this has worked.
18:01<startling_geologist>is nodered.service something specific to your setup?
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18:08<kaitsh>ah yes, you can list your systemd units "sudo systemctl list-unit-files" and use the service you want to be started before executing the script.
18:10<startling_geologist>I already figured. I chose something reasonable with After=...service, that seems good to me. thanks again, and have a nice one.
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18:16<richard_h>any tips for a serial terminal program that doesn't try to init a modem, and makes it easy to use function keys etc?
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18:16<richard_h>I can remove all the modem init strings from minicom, so that bit's ok. Then I guess perhaps I need an X terminal that doesn't grab function keys?
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18:23<richard_h>ah - old fashioned xterm does it.
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18:25<richard_h>.. but doesn't give a very nice look to the debian installer (on my PCEngines APU4)
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18:30<Sqrt{not}>richard_h, I think if I was on a serial terminal, I would use the text mode installer
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18:30<richard_h>Sqrt{not}: er, yes. I always do.
18:31<richard_h>but the line drawing characters aren't working, and the arrow keys seem to scroll the screen rather than moving a cursor
18:32<richard_h>(they always scroll it up, it's not like they're working in any sense)
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18:32<richard_h>unless you mean there's a line mode installer?
18:32<Sqrt{not}>no, just what you're using, i think.
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18:33<richard_h>yeah :-(
18:33<richard_h>I guess I need to experiment with some different terminal programs.
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18:41<Sqrt{not}>richard_h, the install manual section 5.3.1 talks about different serial terminal types you can select in the installer
18:43<richard_h>thanks
18:43<richard_h>it says it defaults to vt102 for the serial console, which is what minicom says it's using too ...
18:44<Sqrt{not}>yes, but what is your actual device sending for things like arrow keys?
18:44<richard_h>um - a conventional keyboard?
18:45<Sqrt{not}>well, to me "serial" implies some variant of ascii on the wire
18:46<richard_h>for more completeness, I'm using an xterm-like thing (eg xterm), and minicom, and a USB serial adapter and a null-modem cable. I can see that the serial side of things is working. I don't know whether it's minicom or xterm that's screwing up the arrow keys.
18:47<richard_h>yes, definitely ASCII. Unless there's some weird unicode thing going on, but I doubt it, for simple things like arrow keys
18:47<Sqrt{not}>and arrow keys are not single ascii characters, they must be represented as multi-byte sequences. the question is what encoding system your setup is using in the actual serial connection, i think
18:47<richard_h>that's generally up to the terminal software
18:47<richard_h>at the serial level, it's all just bytes
18:47<Sqrt{not}>well, that's why the installer gives you a choice
18:48<richard_h>choosing 'vt102' is supposed to do that, and it's what the installer and minicom both default to
18:48<Sqrt{not}>OK, but you have more than just those 2 things in your chain. what happens on the far side, the remote end of the serial wire?
18:49<richard_h>the debian installer is in control on the other end
18:49<Sqrt{not}>heh, OK, then the "near" side
18:49<richard_h>minicom
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18:51<richard_h>also, all the options given in 5.3.1 are for the kernel - I'm not getting that far :-)
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18:52<richard_h>I'm stuck in (I think) SysLinux
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18:54<richard_h>annoyingly, I've done this successfully in the past (with a different simple computer)
18:55<Sqrt{not}>I don't want to argue, but I think 5.3.1 is still talking about the installer: "In order to ensure the terminal type used by the installer matches your terminal emulator, ..."
18:56<richard_h>right, so I was wrong to say the debian installer was in control at the other end. The installer hasn't started yet; that happens after linux boots.
18:56<richard_h>this is syslinux, where I get to choose _what_ to boot.
18:59<richard_h>ah. I think I might be getting somewhere ...
19:02<richard_h>I didn't realise 'screen' worked as a serial terminal
19:03<richard_h>and I think part of the arrow key problem was that the terminals I was using were 80x24, and it was expecting 80x25
19:03<richard_h>screen even gives me colour :-)
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19:14<richard_h>and then I had to tell it the serial port, speed etc, and not to use vga
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19:49<Sqrt{not}>FWIW: on the installer/live-system boot menu, ctrl-N (mnemonic next) is down one line, ctrl-P (previous) == up one line.
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20:04<richard_h>Sqrt{not}: cheers - might try that next time :-)
20:04<richard_h>in the meantime - this SD card is extremely slow :-)
20:05<richard_h>or maybe it's the network, but I don't think so
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