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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-04-15

---Logopened Thu Apr 15 00:00:03 2021
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00:43-!-silver is "Jesse Lee Morgan" on @#experimental #oftc #moocows #C #mm #linux #neurodebian #debian-offtopic #debian-nginx #debian-kde #debian-next #debian #debian-support #debian-devel-changes #minidebconf-online #debian-meeting #debconf-cambridge
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01:14<quadrat>zlg hi
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03:25<filePeter>hi
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03:45<Dianomic_Stefano>Hi, vertuxt, yesteday you were suggesting: but you can also configure the default debconf frontend - it is not clear to me, please explain it, thanks
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03:49<vertuxt>The dialogs popping up for specific packages are controlled by debconf. So the Environment Variable jm suggested configures its behavior temporarily. If you want to permanently disable it on a specific system you can run dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose what you prefer for the dialogs (its a dialog). In your case e.g. non-interactive.
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03:51<vertuxt>Dianomic_Stefano: see https://manpages.debian.org/testing/debconf-doc/debconf.conf.5.en.html for configuration by file
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03:52<jm_>in short, dpkg-reconfigure debconf to set one, for details see the man page I mentioned yesterday (on-line version: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/debconf-doc/debconf.7.en.html )
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03:53<vertuxt>jm_: right, I forgot to post the actual point xD
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03:55<jm_>you can also limit which settings it asks about (priority)
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06:28<Tas-sos>Hello Debian GNU/Linux community!
06:29<Tas-sos>I'm very happy because I just installed the Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) in a old laptop ( Sony VAIO )
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06:30<Tas-sos>but, I have only one issue with the WiFi card ( of course ^_^ )
06:30<Tas-sos>09:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
06:30<Tas-sos>Linux laptop 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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06:31<Tas-sos>I cannont use it and I cannot search for any WiFi channel.. but in XFCE tell me ( right top button )
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06:32<Tas-sos>the the WiFi is disabled.. a little strange
06:32<themill>I thought that one was supported by ath9k and just worked
06:33<Tas-sos>Yes I also read this ==> https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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06:33<Tas-sos>but it did not help me.. :-/
06:34<themill>!rfkill
06:34<dpkg>/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill
06:34<themill>there may also be a keystroke to turn it on/off
06:34<Tas-sos>in this laptop, I also install the following packages :
06:34<Tas-sos>apt install firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-realtek firmware-amd-graphics firmware-atheros firmware-ath9k-htc firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree
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06:38<Tas-sos>yes nice notice, but I don't find any keystroke ( fn + something ) keyboard don't have any "wireless" button
06:38<Tas-sos>rfkill => https://pastebin.com/raw/MA5TU4sg
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06:39<themill>hardware 'blocked' implies a physical switch or keystroke.
06:40<Tas-sos>o.0 Oh realy?
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06:43<Tas-sos>Oh! My god! Yes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJCeqbTKf7s
06:44<Tas-sos>Oh! *_* I didn't think about this position! xaxa
06:44<Tas-sos>themill: Thank you!
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06:47<Tas-sos>https://pastebin.com/raw/MA5TU4sg
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06:49<themill>much better
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06:52<Tas-sos>yes ^_^
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07:29<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I'm facing new issues again with apache service. Hope anyone can help me: https://paste.debian.net/1193831/
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07:37<r4fkramer>Now, 'systemctl status' is 'degraded' (red flag); but 'ystemctl status apache2.service' is active and running (green flag). I really can't understand why it's still happening like that: https://paste.debian.net/1193832/
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07:43<jm_>must be some other service causing it?
07:44<jm_>it also says degraded on my system so I wouldn't worry about it if things work OK
07:45<jm_>right, «systemctl list-units» shows networking.service as failed (it's something to do with my setup, i.e. bridge and wait time)
07:46<r4fkramer>Hi jm_ thanks for answering; the question is: why does it happen ? It was ok before. My concern is that such things advice about any trouble is coming soon....
07:47<r4fkramer>OK, let me use this command ( I used several here, but not this)
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07:49<r4fkramer>jm_, I forgot the command it must be used to avoid truncated lines at the end of the output https://paste.debian.net/1193836/
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07:51<jm_>r4fkramer: systemctl --no-pager list-units
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07:52<jm_>you can also add --failed
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07:53<r4fkramer>systemctl list-units --state=failed
07:54<jm_>that's the same thing yes
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07:56<r4fkramer>jm_, I saw this: https://paste.debian.net/1193837/
07:56<r4fkramer>● auditd.service loaded failed failed Security Auditing Service
07:56<r4fkramer>I seems to me that's the issue.
07:57<jm_>r4fkramer: try journalctl -u auditd.service
07:58<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1193838/
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07:58<r4fkramer>It looks I'll have to create another directory
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07:59<r4fkramer>Could not open dir /var/log/audit (No such file or directory)
07:59<r4fkramer> - in other previous cases, I had to create and recreate /var/log/apache2.service tons of times
08:00<r4fkramer>Now, it's /var/log/audit case - unless I'm wrong.
08:01<jm_>looks like it
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08:03<r4fkramer>jm_ I will reinstall debian with ext4 next time. I am experiencing problems with btrfs.
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08:05<jm_>r4fkramer: I wouldn't blame the filesystem, I would expect all sorts of errors if it was that
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08:06<r4fkramer>Fine jm_, Ok. Now, please, have a look on this output (and I created this dir already...): https://paste.debian.net/1193839/
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08:09<jm_>r4fkramer: you need to (re)start the service
08:09<r4fkramer>yes, I forgot to do it. Thank you for advice :)
08:09<vertuxt>just one point.... what is the filesystems mount state (output of mount) and what does /etc/fstab tell... maybe there is some issue?
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08:15<r4fkramer>vertuxt, thank you for answering: https://paste.debian.net/1193840/
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08:17<vertuxt>r4fkramer: can you provide the output of "mount" (without any parameters)
08:18<r4fkramer>vertuxt: https://paste.debian.net/1193841/
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08:23<r4fkramer>jm_, now this is status of 'journalctl -u auditd.service' after I restarted the service: https://paste.debian.net/1193843/
08:23<vertuxt>r4fkramer: so it seems that you have SELinux active and I assume that your errors might be caused by insufficient SELinux permissions for those services
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08:25<r4fkramer>So, that is an issue related to absent SELinux configuration ?
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08:28<r4fkramer>My current SELinux status is 'permissive', not 'enforcing'
08:28<jm_>r4fkramer: that's the output of stat, not journalctl
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08:28<r4fkramer>Sorry jm_, exhausted here
08:29<r4fkramer>Please, vertux, probably better disable SELinux and just running Apparmor ?
08:29<vertuxt>r4fkramer: maybe try disabled for SELinux , reboot and check if your errors persist , if not then SELinux is your problem
08:30<vertuxt>r4fkramer: or first try if it is the Problem and then maybe fix the SELinux policy for those services?
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08:32<r4fkramer>Please, jm_, what is the command to check audit ? Sorry, I didn't want to ask you such things, but I'm really tired here.
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08:33<r4fkramer>vertuxt, fixing SELinux policy means a deep research, or do you know what are the basic parameters for that ?
08:34<r4fkramer>I'll disable SELinux first.
08:34<jm_>r4fkramer: I'm not familiar with it, try aureport, I'm sure you'll find help by searching the web
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08:35<r4fkramer>jm_ Ok,no worries. Thank you very much for assistance :)
08:36<jm_>vertuxt: not sure if it told you, but I did not get your message :)
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08:36<vertuxt>jm_: it told me
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08:40<r4fkramer>vertuxt, the output of /etc/selinux/config: https://paste.debian.net/1193844/
08:41<r4fkramer>It's permissive, so, I don't know how to proceed.
08:41<r4fkramer>I cannot disable something that is already disabled
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08:45<jm_>r4fkramer: you can disable it by editing /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
08:46<jm_>ohh maybe that's RH-ism
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08:47<r4fkramer>jm_, that's the output for SELinux in /etc/selinux/config: https://paste.debian.net/1193844/. It's permissive status, therefore disable already. Or, should I enable it instead ?
08:48<vertuxt>r4fkramer: no you change SELINUX=permissive to SELINUX=disabled
08:48<jm_>yeah set it to disabled to completely disable it
08:49<vertuxt>And reboot as well^^
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08:49<r4fkramer>Oh, I treated 'pemissive' as a synonym for 'disabled', sorry :(
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08:51<vertuxt>If anything works with SELinux disabled you have 2 Options: A) you want/need it, then you have to read the docs B) leave it disabled, and read the docs anyway ;)
08:53<r4fkramer>Sure vertuxt, I'll read a complete book to have more clear understanding about it. Thank you very much, jm_ and vertuxt for attention and Great Support !:)
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08:53<r4fkramer>Rebooting here, see you
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08:54<vertuxt>Alligator
08:54<vertuxt>sry couldn't resist
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09:30<sobin>Why my Debian 10.9 on real computer with NVIDIA 1650Ti cannot start X system and display the Desktop environment?
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09:31<blast007>sobin: did it work before or is this a new install?
09:31<sobin>Even in Live installer
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09:38<towo^work>vitaerk, the best package management system for debian is deb with apt + dpkg
09:40<vitaerk>yes i know... but it is not available
09:40<vitaerk>i dont like them so much too
09:40<towo^work>then use, whatever you want
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09:44<bremner>vitaerk: fwiw, I prefer flatpak. In principle there can be more sandboxing with flatpak aiui, but in practice I think it's like android where you just end up giving all the permissions anyway
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09:48<vitaerk>bremner, i tend to flatpak too, but without knowing, only a feeling... Thanks for your feedback
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09:51<vitaerk>somiaj, after installing nvidia drivers, no freezings anymore (maybe you remember me) Thank you!
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10:19<EmleyMoor>I've got some kind of "block selection" stuck in LibreOffice Calc - how do I release it?
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11:10<sobin>Why I cannot access desktop environment?
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15:08<bartm>how to configure postfix to not reject mails for unknown recipients but deliver them to a default recipient?
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15:45<mrosa>Hi guys ! how r u ?
15:46<Sqrt{not}>hi mrosa
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15:48<mrosa>hi
15:48<mrosa>please someone here can help with an issue on Debin 10 (4.19.0-16-amd64) ?
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15:48<mrosa>the issue is on spamassasin, or tell me where the better channel for
15:48<sney>mrosa: that's what #debian is for, please describe your issue
15:49<mrosa>after the upgrade to lastest debian version ( 4.19.0-16) spamassassin can't start fully
15:49<mrosa>and Im not able to run iRedMail
15:50<sney>what happens when you try to start spamassassin?
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15:51<mrosa>running systemctl status, it still stopped as follow: Starting Perl-based spam filter using text analysis...
15:51<mrosa>and the sa-compile can't running to finish the installation
15:52<sney>maybe you can use sa-learn --backup to export your current rules, then purge the package configuration, then use sa-learn --restore to restore them
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15:54<mrosa>once it is a fresh installation , I've already purge the package and reisntall it, but the error keep the same
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15:56<mrosa>i've read some forums where other guys got the same issue after ugrade
15:56<mrosa>but all suggestion to fix it, didn't work
15:58<sney>please describe what you found and what you tried, so we do not waste time repeating the same advice
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15:58<mrosa>in case of iRedMail, it is a dependency for installation, and I've already try too many ways, but cant' get sucessful
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16:03<mrosa>first, i purged all iReadMail installation, remove postfix, dovecot, and others, reboot the device, and start the installation. close to end of installation I got a message fo sapmassasin ( Job for spamassassin.service failed because the control process exited with error code. )
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16:32<multiwandhcp>hello, with two wan gateways offering dhcp and nat, one interface for each on debian host, I can ssh to the first ok, but not to the second (timeout). do I need two routing tables and can I define them without going static?
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16:38<sarnold>multiwandhcp: I've never done it myself, this should describe the kernel interfaces that would work https://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html -- but perhaps not hte best way to write the policy today
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16:42<multiwandhcp>sarnold: thank you, yes this describe routing tables, but AFAIU with static address, unless $P1 etc. can remain variables ?
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16:45<multiwandhcp>can I define two routing tables, one for each interface (as in rt_tables) but built dynamically from whatever address/mask/gateway is provided by dhcp?
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17:08<multiwandhcp>would a script like this be the correct/only method? please see section 'Solution with dynamic IP addresses' in https://www.linuxmaker.com/en/linux/one-system-with-two-default-gateways.html
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17:12<sarnold>multiwandhcp: I can't say anything about only or best, but it sure looks like it'd be helpful
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17:15<multiwandhcp>sarnold: I feel it's unsafe, parsing and so on.
17:17<sarnold>multiwandhcp: yeah, but most of these values are constrained enough that I suspect it'd either work or not work -- I think it'd take some real effort to get an interface name with a space in it, for example
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18:15<jhutchins>multiwandhcp: You should not have two dhcp servers on the same network.
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18:20<sarnold>with two interfaces I figured they were on different networks
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18:21<sarnold>eg a cable modem from one company, fibre from another company
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18:23<jhutchins>Yes, but it's the same OS, which manages networking, and it's not going to be happy.
18:23<multiwandhcp>jhutchins: each gateway runs its own dhcp service on its own network segment (and address)
18:24<jhutchins>multiwandhcp: Doesn't work that way. You could do it with static IPs.
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18:24<multiwandhcp>sarnold: exactly, gateways and two 'black' box routeurs from distinct ISP and link types
18:24<grawity>parsing? ip -json route show default dev eth0 | jq -r ".[0].gateway"
18:25<sarnold>grawity: once again you show up with a great idea :)
18:25<jhutchins>multiwandhcp: ... and two different machines, VM or container.
18:25<grawity>jhutchins: sounds a lot like they're two different networks already, so it's fine
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18:29<jhutchins>... which is why it's working so well.
18:30<grawity>I appreciate the sarcasm and negativity there.
18:30<multiwandhcp>grawity: thanks, `ip -json' is very interesting indeed, feels like 21st century thing :)
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18:35<multiwandhcp>jhutchins: litterally, 2 routers/gateways = 2 ISP = 2 ethernet cables = 2 networks (192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.2.0/24) = 2 iface (enp1s0, enp2s0) inet dhcp
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18:41<multiwandhcp>and as a result, second link is automatically set as default route and wan-reachable
18:42<multiwandhcp>is the second one picked automatically because it's last, or slower?
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18:44<grawity>probably because it's last; do the routes show up as having different metrics?
18:44<multiwandhcp>host can talk fine to both gateways on their local IP, but only via the second gateway to the outside
18:44<sarnold>I've heard that the linux kernel actually does use the metrics these days, but I don't know when it changed
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18:44<multiwandhcp>grawity: there's only one default route, no metrics
18:44<grawity>I don't remember when it didn't?...
18:45<grawity>ah if there's only one, dunno – I expected dhclient to insert both, actually
18:45<multiwandhcp>me too :)
18:45<grawity>maybe it just uses 'replace' precisely because it doesn't bother assigning metrics or anything
18:46<multiwandhcp>if I try to explicitely add a default route, I've got 'RTNETLINK abswers: file exists'
18:47<grawity>right
18:47<multiwandhcp>which I understand is normal since the default route is already present on the default routing table
18:47<grawity>not rxactly but yes
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18:47<grawity>you can have routes with same destination but different metrics
18:48<grawity>though the lowest metric always wins so the others are unused, anyway
18:49<multiwandhcp>yes, in this case I'd like to let nftables filter and dispatch traffic depending on source/lan, so the metric won't help
18:49<grawity>(some dhcp clients are smarter about this, e.g. NetworkManager uses 300+index for Ethernet and 600+index for wifi, prioritizing ethernet that way ...)
18:49<grawity>well, I wonder if dhclient could be told to just directly put the routes in a different table
18:50<grawity>I *think* systemd-networkd can do that with its internal dhcp
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18:52<multiwandhcp>I am actually wondering if thewayforward® would be systemd, and if I wasn't just a fool to keep editing /etc/network/interfaces* for all my links, wg & co. everywhere
18:53<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the USB killer is an extremely odd thing... it can happen if my phone is connected to a data port on the hub, or if I'm using scrcpy on the machine, even if the connection to the phone is via WiFi
18:53<grawity>now that it has a decent networkctl (backports or bullseye), yeah, I'd much prefer it over ifupdown
18:53<multiwandhcp>but I'm not sure I have found the correct version of systemd-networkd documentation for buster
18:53<EmleyMoor>Might move the phone lead back to the rear of the machine next time I need data access and see if it still happens.
18:55<grawity>the docs haven't really changed that much tbh
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18:59<multiwandhcp>I'm a bit surprised overall, I thought it'd be something really dumb to achieve and that I'd need to edit configs only to tweak traffic forwarding, but it's exactly the opposite :)
19:00<grawity>Linux isn't great at this
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19:01<grawity>(but at least it's flexible enough to make it possible at all)
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19:02<multiwandhcp>kernel routing tables are great, eg. marking packets for wireguard it works really well
19:02<multiwandhcp>(using them for wg since buster)
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19:03<sney>the proliferation of linux-based router firmware indicates that linux itself is pretty great for routing, but for whatever reason, it's a huge pain to configure a personal computer running linux to be both a client and a split domain router
19:03<multiwandhcp>and all from the interfaces file (but one needs static address, still)
19:03<sney>I don't bother with it anymore, haha. I do my routing on separate appliances. I've lost enough hair as it is
19:04<sarnold>hah :)
19:04<multiwandhcp>sney: ok, I think I know where I am standing now, thank you :D
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19:04<sney>np, haha
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19:05<multiwandhcp>note, that's actually a routeur, one of those built with coreboot, an apu2
19:05<sarnold>I keep hearing good things about those
19:05<multiwandhcp>yup
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19:07<trench>nftables is kind of better
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19:08<trench>https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Simple_rule_management
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19:13<trench>and you could use it with suricata
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19:32<multiwandhcp>trench: what do you mean "better", for which part of the task?
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19:37<somiaj>multiwandhcp: on debian buster, iptables is using ntptables anyways (via a wrapper)
19:38<somiaj>you can look up various comparisions of why nftables is considered better and linux is moving to them away from iptables
19:38<multiwandhcp>yes thanks, I'm already using nftables
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19:38<somiaj>arg nftables, but yea you got the point
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19:39<multiwandhcp>and we can be address-agnostic for most things in nftables.conf
19:39<mhnh>Hi. Where I can get a list of image formats that ristretto supports?
19:40<Sqrt{not}>,i ristretto
19:40<judd>Package ristretto (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: lightweight picture-viewer for the Xfce desktop environment. Version: 0.8.3-1; Size: 366.7k; Installed: 1391k; Homepage: https://docs.xfce.org/apps/ristretto/start; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/ristretto
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19:44<mhnh>You mean on the links provided?
19:44<Sqrt{not}>I would try that homepage link first
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19:45<somiaj>mhnh: are you looking for an image viewer? Or have a specific image types you need to be able to view?
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19:45<mhnh>I already did. No mention of "these formats are supported by ristretto". Of course, if anyone knows.
19:46<mhnh>I want a list of what types of images I can open with ristretto.
19:46<mhnh>That's what I'm looking for.
19:46<somiaj>just wondering what the purpose of this list is? But you might need to ask xfce support for those types of details.
19:47<mhnh>Okay, thanks. I will contact them then.
19:47<mhnh>I want the list for reference.
19:47<mhnh>I installed krita, and some images default to open with krita.
19:48<somiaj>You might also be able to deduce which images by the libaries it depends on.
19:48<sarnold>many applications use the mailcap(5) system to figure out which applications to use to open which files
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19:49<mhnh>The library the image type depends on?
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19:49<somiaj>no the libaries that ristretto depends on might give you some clue as to what images it supports.
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19:51<mhnh>I'm still learning Debian. I get the libraries that ristretto depends on with the 'depends' or 'rdepends'? I have used the commands in apt, but still confused on what I get.
19:51<somiaj>apt show packagename
19:52<mhnh>Okay. Will go with that for now. Thanks.
19:52<debianinside>mhnh, you could ask here: https://forum.xfce.org/index.php
19:53<mhnh>Thanks, debianinside. Will visit too then.
19:54<mhnh>Thanks for the help. Good day!
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20:02*multiwandhcp thank you and bye, all
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20:09<trench>to bad he split I have the two links but only one box :P
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20:12<tulpa>I'm trying to run du -sh and show only one file extension, namely *.tibx. I tried du -sh *.tibx but it says file not found. Need a clue here please. :) thank you
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20:13<somiaj>tulpa: do you have a file *.tibx in the current directory you are in?
20:13<tulpa>no i don't. trying to run in recursively
20:14<somiaj>well *.tibx is just going to match based off the shell, recursive, I don't know if du has this capability, you might have to link it with find
20:14<tulpa>ok thanks. I tried du -sh . *.tibx and it is doing something.
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20:15<somiaj>well that is going to give you the total that is in ., the *.tibx at the end isn't going to change things
20:16<somiaj>I do see an --exclude option for du, but not an include
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20:16<somiaj>the only way I can see to do this is mix find and du together
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20:28<tulpa>somiaj, I am having some luck with this: ls -shR | grep .tibx
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20:29<somiaj>tulpa: poor man's find.
20:30<tulpa>indeed. someone suggested this: find -iname '*.tibx' -print0 | xargs -0 ls -lSsh
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20:32<Brigo>find . -type f -name '*.xml' -exec du -ch {} + | grep total$
20:33<Brigo>from https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41550/find-the-total-size-of-certain-files-within-a-directory-branch
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20:35<somiaj>tulpa: find . -type f -name "*.tex" -print0 | du -sch --files0-from -
20:35<somiaj>another option
20:35<somiaj>opps, I did *.tex on my system to test it, switch with *.tibx
20:36<tulpa>ah nice. thanks folks!
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