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02:18<erkki>Hello. I'm trying to migrate i386 to amd64 and I'm stucked with installing python3-cairo ja python3-pil
02:18<erkki>https://paste.debian.net/1194371/
02:18<erkki>Can you help me
02:18<erkki>If it's possible
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02:25<jm_>not sure if it'll help, but I would try either: a) edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/python3-cairo.postinst and replace package name there with python3-cairo:amd64, b) simply stick 'exit 0' in that script before py3compile part, c) remove the package and reinstall it later, but this may be problematic at this stage
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02:28<erkki> jm_ :Oh yeah. I just found that same hint from googling StackOverflow, thanks.
02:30<jm_>no worries
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03:18<TechieGuy>What could be the cz of this error? https://paste.debian.net/1194376/
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03:35<erkki>I discovered that .prerm scripts have typo.
03:36<erkki>How can I make my own .prerm -scripts
03:36<jm_>scripts? as in several?
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03:36<erkki>aah, no. Only one script
03:37<erkki>I found /usr/share/debhelper/autoscripts/prerm-py3clean and tried to edit it, but it seems to make no effect
03:38<jm_>that is probably use when building a package, you need to either edit what's in the .deb or on file system
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03:40<erkki>I see
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03:41<jm_>why do you think there's a typo?
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03:44<erkki>cause I think it need to do `py3clean -p python3-cairo:i386` nat an `py3clean -p python3-cairo`. Cause the script says 'python3-cairo' is not: ambiguous package name
03:44<erkki>s/nat/not/g
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03:46<jm_>you can't hardcode i386 in there, the script looks fine to me - you need to remember that what you are doing is not officially supported
03:46<erkki>Ok. Yeah I know
03:47<jm_>I had to solve issues like that each time when crossgrading from i386 to amd64
03:48<erkki>How did you solve em?
03:49<jm_>on a case by case basis (i.e. like I described above for python3-cairo), there's no generic recipe unfrtunatelly
03:49<jm_>the biggest mistake I made was when I decide I was going to do dist-upgrade and cross-grade in one step :)
03:50<jhutchins>jm_: Which release are you targeting?
03:50<erkki>Aah. I haven't made that yet
03:51<TechieGuy>I've to `source /etc/profile` each time I boot to get `/usr/sbin` to PATH. Why?
03:52<erkki>I downloaded firstly manualy with save location on Firefox (really painful), then I relise that I can download with `apt-get downlad $(cat 386upgradeble-packages)` and I installed manually with dpkg -i *.deb
03:52<jhutchins>!su
03:52<dpkg>extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
03:53<jm_>jhutchins: that was in the past, not doing anything like it now
03:54<erkki>jm: Btw. Big thanks.
03:55<jhutchins>jm_: Please continue to bang your head against the wall. Good luck.
03:55<TechieGuy>jhutchins: Not even in root
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03:57<jm_>jhutchins: ahh no need for that, I successfully resolved all issue, typing this on the system that was involved in the experiment :))
03:57<jm_>erkki: no problem, hope you solve it all
03:57<erkki>thanks
03:57<TechieGuy>jhutchins: https://paste.debian.net/1194379/
03:57<jm_>TechieGuy: you want /usr/sbin in PATH for users? why not simply add it in shell startup files?
03:58<jm_>ahh no, that looks like root prompt
03:58<TechieGuy>Not for users. I want it to be in root's PATH as default.
03:58<jm_>it is
03:58<TechieGuy>It isn't
03:58<jm_>how do you become root?
03:58<TechieGuy>su
03:59<jm_>!tell TechieGuy -about buster su
03:59<jm_>please read what dpkg wrote twice now
04:00<TechieGuy>Oh, well. i'm new to Debian. Sorry.
04:00<jm_>no problem
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04:11<jhutchins>No. read the factoid, it's "su -" not su.
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04:57<matlads>the program feh does not render the debian desktop-base background svg image well. Any other alternatives, anyone can recommend?
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05:07<jm_>which exact file is that?
05:08<matlads>/usr/share/desktop-base/homeworld-theme/wallpaper/contents/images/1920x1080.svg
05:10<jm_>that's only in testing, but I tried it with geeqie and it looks OK to me, but I don't know how it's supposed to look
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05:45<matlads>I'll test geeqie out
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06:20<arham>hlo
06:20<arham>anybody here
06:20<quadrat>yes arham, hope you don't want 700 hellos back :)
06:20<quadrat>!ask
06:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:49<p9>so why is dbus not part of base system if systemd utilities require it to operate? even things like /sbin/reboot are broken without it
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07:50<p9>(dbus is currently only recommended by systemd)
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07:52<TechieGuy>Why is this pkg only on Testing and Unstable? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/ibus-avro
07:53<avu>TechieGuy: because it was added to Debian after buster was already released
07:53<avu>TechieGuy: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ibus-avro
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08:01<TechieGuy>Why isn't element unavailable in Debian repo?
08:02<Unit193>p9: Huh, if I attempt to remove dbus I'd only lose libpam-systemd.
08:03<TechieGuy>*available
08:03<avu>TechieGuy: the ITP is blocked: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866502
08:03<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/866502 in wnpp (open): «ITP: element-web: web-based matrix client»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-06-29; last modified: 2020-09-10.
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08:05<p9>Unit193: That's what dependencies say. In reality this would break systemd package itself because systemctl can no longer talk to systemd
08:05<p9>Not exactly case for Recommends
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08:07<jm_>p9: maybe more a question for #debian-systemd
08:09<Unit193>p9: Yeah, I was expecting it to remove more. Should most likely be on default-dbus-system-bus | dbus-system-bus
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08:15<p9>I'm not 100% sure but I think it used to work in the past. Only logind part required dbus.
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08:28<grawity>p9: systemd has a private non-bus socket for systemctl
08:28<grawity>though that only works for root, and not for unprivileged (polkit-based) operations
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08:29<grawity>(I'd probably prefer if the daemon was required though, even in containers it's useful to `machinectl shell` into a container)
08:29<p9>grawity: Ah I see now it makes sense. I was indeed testing from regular account
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10:09<calumapplepie[m]>Hullo. Is this the correct place to ask about an issue hibernating? I'm running Bullseye.
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10:09<avu>!next
10:09<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
10:09<avu>!debian-next
10:09<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
10:10<avu>calumapplepie[m]: ^
10:10<calumapplepie[m]>Got it, thanks
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10:12<drzacek>hello there
10:12<drzacek>does debian have some virtual keyboard?
10:12<drzacek>I'm on mate ui
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10:14<bremner>there is for example caribou
10:14<bremner>there are probably other options
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10:19<TechieGuy>Where to get a unicode emoji for Debian? I'd like to copy and paste it like other emojis
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10:20<dreamer>only thing that comes close is ꩜
10:21<dreamer>but it's the wrong way around :P
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12:26<filePeter>Techcable: You could install the ibus IME and hit CTRL-SHIFT-E to get into emoji-input
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12:27<filePeter>Sorry, Techcable, I wanted to reach out to TechieGuy not you
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15:21<Techcable>Its cool :)
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17:35<hansiPP>Hi folks, I need som information on the debian installer
17:36<hansiPP>trying to deploy a debian VM onto vsphere via packer
17:37<hansiPP>since floppy support is unavailable in modern debian installer kernel and HTTP is no option I need another way to seed the preseed.cfg to that installer
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17:37<hansiPP>I found that via CD (iso) might be an option but I cant make it work
17:38<hansiPP>so I configured packer to build an ISO with that preseed file and put that on that VM as a second CDrom
17:39<hansiPP>that is working, but I dunno the path where that CDrom might be mounted and what path I have to type into the boot options of that installer
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17:40<hansiPP>so anybody knowing what that mount point of that second CDrom might be or how I could find out?
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17:47<Mister00X>hansiPP: I never did preseeding but maybe https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.en.html can help
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17:50<hansiPP>I already studied that page up and down
17:51<Mister00X>and /cdrom did not work?
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17:51<Mister00X>oh wait nvm
17:53<hansiPP>nope did not. I wasn't even expecting because it's the second CDrom
17:54<Mister00X>yes sorry it is late here.
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23:01<ArsenArsen>hey! debians networking service currently has some trouble starting up often, it can cause boot to slow down for me, this is what I see in the logs:
23:01<ArsenArsen>Apr 20 20:39:11 tictac systemd[1]: Starting Raise network interfaces...
23:01<ArsenArsen>Apr 20 20:39:11 tictac ifup[820]: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
23:01<ArsenArsen>Apr 20 20:39:11 tictac ifup[820]: ifup: failed to bring up ens18
23:01<ArsenArsen>this happens more time since there are a few other interfaces
23:02<ArsenArsen>I've defined them in /etc/networking/interfaces, they're using static configuration and not dhcp unfortunately, is there something else in a fresh debian buster install bringing up interfaces?
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23:04<somiaj>care to share your interfaces file?
23:05<ArsenArsen>suure, I'll censor out IPs if you don't mind
23:05<somiaj>that's fine, paste.debian.net
23:06<somiaj>also do they come up/down at a resonable time if you just run 'ifup interface' and 'ifdown interface' after the boot? If not you could use that to debug what could be getting in the way
23:07<ArsenArsen>after a boot they're all up and have the right IPs
23:07<ArsenArsen>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/99f24b63/
23:07<somiaj>I mean try to bring them down/up after the boot process and see if you notice anything causing them to take their time
23:07<ArsenArsen>ah, moment
23:08<somiaj>You don't need to both allow-hotplug and auto
23:08<somiaj>allow-hotplug will bring anything plugged in up at boot
23:08<ArsenArsen>right, so it implies auto?
23:08<somiaj>also do you have the package resolvconf or openresolv installed?
23:08<ArsenArsen>I believe I do, I'll check in a moment
23:08<somiaj>Correct, but they might be triggered seperatally at boot
23:09<somiaj>so it could be it is trying to bring them up twice, first due to allow-hotplug, then again due to auto.
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23:10<ArsenArsen>$ sudo ifdown ens21
23:10<ArsenArsen>ifdown: interface ens21 not configured
23:10<ArsenArsen>however ens21 is reported as UP in ip link
23:11<somiaj>you could try ifdown --force ens21. Could you have some other tool also trying to manage your network?
23:11<ArsenArsen>this is a fresh debian install, so there shouldn't be any
23:12<ArsenArsen>is `dpkg --get-selections | grep resolv' right? I forget how to deal with apt after a while
23:12<somiaj>ArsenArsen: dpkg -l | grep .. should be enough
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23:12<somiaj>the -l will just list packages, it is slightly different than --get-selections
23:12<ArsenArsen>one sec, ifdown killed my ssh connection, I presume it removed the default route
23:13<ArsenArsen>ah, it's back
23:13<ArsenArsen>that's quite odd
23:13<somiaj>is the interface brought back up?
23:13<ArsenArsen>anyway, ens21 is down now, let me try bringing it up
23:13<ArsenArsen>nope, I intentionally picked the interface that shouldn't be doing my ssh connection
23:14<ArsenArsen>file exists once again, but I do see that it has set the interface to up and given it the IP
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23:14<ArsenArsen>neither resolvconf or openresolv is installed
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23:15<somiaj>those dns-foo options won't do anything without those packges installed, so you could clean up your interfaces file by removing the auto and dns-foo lines
23:15<ArsenArsen>ah
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23:15<somiaj>If that fixes your issue or not, I don't know, but that is the only thing I notice about the interfaces file
23:15<ArsenArsen>worth a shot, one moment
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23:16<somiaj>and you don't have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ -- just double checking
23:16<ArsenArsen>nope
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23:17<ArsenArsen>networking seems to have been started fine now
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23:18<somiaj>wonder if the allow-hotplug and auto both being there was basically causing your network to come up twice, causing an issue, I doubt the dns-foo options did much, they just won't unless you install the appropriate resolvconf or openresov package
23:18<ArsenArsen>yeah, that fixed ifup and ifdown too
23:18<ArsenArsen>most likely the case
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23:19<somiaj>probably something the init scripts could check for, but I would have to dig deeper into them to see if that was really the case or not
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23:25<ArsenArsen>there's one more thing bugging me: it'd seem line the machine waits on startup to resume, since it prints "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" concerningly
23:26<ArsenArsen>now, this server does not suspend, so I'm not worried about loosing some state, but it does give +30s or so to the boot
23:26<ArsenArsen>there's definitely a 30gb swap partition on the disk, too
23:26<ArsenArsen>another thing to know: the disk uses LVM
23:27<somiaj>that is strange, but unsure what could be waiting for that. Do you know which service is actually giving you the Gave up waiting message?
23:28<ArsenArsen>it's definitely in initramfs
23:28<ArsenArsen>hell, it happens before fsck runs
23:29<somiaj>ArsenArsen: well got a google hit, you didn't delete your swap or change your swap by chance?
23:29<ArsenArsen>nope, again, fresh install
23:29<ArsenArsen>and I was about to say: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume holds the right partition UUID
23:29<somiaj>do you have /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume?
23:30<ArsenArsen>I could just remove that, honestly, I don't need resumes
23:30<somiaj>what are the contents of that file?
23:30<somiaj>I have RESUME=none on my server
23:30<ArsenArsen>`RESUME=UUID=07862298-339b-452a-9ba6-fec81546ea7b', which is the swap volume on LVM
23:30<ArsenArsen>I presume it tries to do resume before settling LVM devices
23:31<somiaj>That could be it, if you aren't using resume, you could just set it as RESUME=none
23:31<ArsenArsen>RESUME=none sounds good enough for my use-case
23:31<somiaj>wonder how common it is to have the swap in the lvm, you woudl think it would bring the lvm up frist
23:31<somiaj>you might need to rebuild your initramfs, 'update-initramfs -u'
23:31<ArsenArsen>I mean, the guided installer does that :P
23:31<ArsenArsen>right, I'd have forgotten that
23:32<ArsenArsen>lets give it a shot now that it's rebuilt
23:32<somiaj>was the UUID actually correct?
23:32<ArsenArsen>yes]
23:32<ArsenArsen>boots immediately now, great
23:32<somiaj>hmm, strange that it is causing the issue. I never use hibernate, so not something I'm familar with
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23:32<ArsenArsen>I don't see why I would on a server :P it's just a file the installer put there
23:33<ArsenArsen>perhaps someone should catalog an issue about that, assuming its reproducible
23:34<ArsenArsen>sadly, I don't have time to test it right now, I'd love to when I free up some time, but it's many hours past midnight at the moment so I should take a break
23:34<somiaj>hmm, I do see a few issues with swap on lvm and resume, though some of them are a bit old, it is strange the installer puts the swap on lvm if it is an issue with hibernate, but not finding anything definitive
23:34<ArsenArsen>somiaj: thanks for the help! :) I'd probably not have figured out the interface config stuff that easily honestly
23:34<ArsenArsen>ci
23:34<ArsenArsen>uh, ignore that, wrong window
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23:38<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883735 -- where there is that
23:38<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/883735 in initramfs-tools (closed, patch): «initramfs-tools: automatic resume doesn't work for lvm swap partitions»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-06; last modified: 2018-08-21.
23:39<somiaj>,v initramfs-tools
23:39<judd>Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; stretch: 0.130; buster: 0.133+deb10u1; bullseye: 0.140; sid: 0.140
23:39<somiaj>though the fix was in 0.131, so unsure what it was, but it talks about how maybe UUID is a bit hard to refer to for swap when it is on an LV, though I don't really get the details
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23:42<somiaj>https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/swsusp.html -- "Can I suspend-to-disk using a swap partition under LVM? Yes and No. You can suspend successfully, but the kernel will not be able to resume on its own. You need an initramfs that can recognize the resume situation, activate the logical volume containing the swap volume (but not touch any filesystems!)
23:43<somiaj>so seems it is possible but needs to be configured correctly, though due to that bug unsure why it wasn't...anyways, seems like a reason to keep swap out of lvm.
23:43<ArsenArsen>I'd expect debian to be able to generate such an initrd
23:43<somiaj>yea, well that bug report has a reported fix, so I'm unsure why it wasn't working in your situation.
23:44<ArsenArsen>dracut is certainly able to, on a laptop I have that uses dracut, my swap is on lvm on crypt , to give it the worst odds possible :P
23:44<ArsenArsen>(dracut is an initrd generator)
23:45<ArsenArsen>it's possible, however, that dracut doesn't use uuids, but rather VG and LV names (which can be known without activating VGs, hence may be preferable)
23:46<somiaj>Yea, that is kinda what I saw, it most likely needs to know the lvm info of where the partiion is which can't be done with a UUID until after the lvm is loaded but needs to do this before the lvm is loaded.
23:46<ArsenArsen>ah - that's what the patch does, it uses the mapper instead of uuids
23:46<somiaj>maybe there was an issue in create the RESUME= line at the start, and somethign in the install caused it to use UUID instead
23:46<ArsenArsen>yeah, so the installer (or whatever else is making that file) isn't perched upstream
23:46<somiaj>but who knows, anyways, it should work, but didn't.
23:47<ArsenArsen>patched* my bad
23:47<somiaj>or maybe that the script should turn the UUID in that file to the right vg but didn't. Well your issue is fixed, hopefully it was more just an off case and works in buster in most cases.
23:48<ArsenArsen>I'll try reproducing it, but that depends on me remembering it, so no promises :P
23:48<ArsenArsen>thanks again
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