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00:01<sney>FelixActually: it's not *required* but some video features may be missing without it. what features these are will depend on your gpu.
00:01<somiaj>FelixActually: If you want to run nouevau you may benfinit from having the non-free firmware.
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00:01<FelixActually>I'd rather purge all of the non-free stuff that I can from my system
00:02<FelixActually>The most demanding game I play now is Minetest anyway
00:02<FelixActually>My GPU is a GTX 980
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00:03<sney>you'll just have to try it and see what happens. afaik, you will have a working xorg with or without the firmware.
00:03<FelixActually>Alright
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00:58<TechieGuy>How to remove package residuals?
01:00<tomg>what's a package residual?
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01:00<tomg>!purge
01:00<dpkg>"purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
01:01<somiaj>note any configure put in $HOME are left along, those you have to manually rmove
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05:27<grumble>i'm looking for a way to search for the debian package containing a certain perl module. For instance, I know that libpod-parser-perl contains modules like Pod::Select in addition to Pod::Parser
05:27<grumble>but how would I figure that out the other way round? eg if I knew I wanted Pod::Select but did not know the package it was in
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05:29<jm_>apt-cache search Pod::Select - most module include that in the description
05:29<Unit193>Most of the time apt-cache search workds for that, sometimes you have to move on to apt-file.
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05:32<grumble>i see, thanks :)
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06:34<olasd>grumble: if you don't mind the bazillion dependencies (and having the Contents indexes available on your machine), you can use `dh-make-perl locate Pod::Select` (from the package dh-make-perl)
06:35<olasd>(it basically looks in the Contents indexes for files ending in Foo/Bar.pm, I think)
06:35<choozy>Hello
06:35<choozy>Why does there not seem to be an alert when your disk is almost full and no process prohibiting filling up a partition to the extent where 0 bytes are free?
06:36<choozy>I have seen this happen with EXT4 and BTRFS
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06:38<olasd>choozy: my desktop environment (gnome) gives me an alert when a partition is running out; by default ext4 allows the last 5% of allocations only to root, unless you tune2fs it otherwise
06:38<olasd>(dunno about btrfs)
06:38<sep>choozy, you can setup whatever alert you wish. debian contains many, i use munin. many filesystems have a root reserved space, but root can ofcourse fill to 0
06:38<choozy>Ah okay
06:39<olasd>an alert *and* a tool to inspect the disk usage (baobab) in one click -- well, at least for directories my user can traverse
06:39<sep>munin is for headless servers to. not much point in for a laptop, depends on use case.
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06:40<choozy>Ah okay, so it depends on the DE a bit and you are sugggested to use external tools
06:41<olasd>choozy: yeah; I'd expect kde has a disk space warning too, but I've not really used it in ~15 years so I don't know for sure; what DE are you using?
06:41<choozy>I have been using Cinnamon
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10:45<ottavio>I have a few problems with bluetooth and my Jabra 85h. I don't know where to start. Maybe dmesg?
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10:47<ottavio>Basically I've paired my BT cans to my laptop and they work but sometimes they block playing videos. I have to unpair and re-pair to make videos restart.
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10:48<ottavio>2nd problem sometimes are not recognised as high fidelity link but as headset.
10:48<ottavio>There are lots of errors in dmesg
10:49<ottavio>$ dmesg|grep Blue|tb
10:49<ottavio>https://termbin.com/7655
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13:49<redbrass>I'm getting invalid date for this command: date -d "20201-04-23 16:41:44.302302893 +0000 UTC" +"%F %T". The date is pulled from a podman inspect command to get the created date. Looking for tips how deal with this easily. I could drop to JS/Python/etc. to handle the date formatting but want to stay in Bash...
13:49<superkuh>20201
13:49<superkuh>I think you want that to be 2021
13:50<superkuh>Still invalid though. :\
13:50<redbrass>er. yes - it IS 2021 - that was a typo in IRC
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13:51<blast007>redbrass: are they all "+0000 UTC"?
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13:52<redbrass>No, the other one I'm dealing with is -600 MDT
13:52<redbrass>er -0600 MDT
13:53<redbrass>That also throws an invalid date though
13:53<superkuh>Try just +0000 no UTC.
13:54<redbrass>hmm. My command is dynamic - date -d "$(podman inspect -f="{{.Created}}" myimage)" +"%F %T"
13:55<superkuh>Strip it with some inline perl?
13:55<redbrass>(I've simplified a little - point is I'm capturing that podman inspect output and passing it to date. I guess I could apply some sed magic to manipulate that output before passing to date...
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13:56<redbrass>but yes, simple test shows that stripping of the friendly timezone handles the string properly.
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15:10<Sqrt{not}>hi MRj
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15:41<EmleyMoor>What's the best way to add the starting of x0vncserver to a "normal" desktop session? I use this to assist my partner when I'm not there with him
15:42<superkuh>System->Preferences start up applications? Depends on your DE I guess.
15:43<EmleyMoor>superkuh: Any way NOT from the desktop itself?
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15:45<sney>you would probably have to place a shortcut in some autorun directory used by the DE, then remotely reboot them or restart the display manager
15:46<EmleyMoor>Thought I'd just found a way to resume testing... unfortunately the line into his place now seems to be down
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15:56<Mister00X>I think this could also be automated using systemd..... something like it is described here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User
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16:22<superkuh>Is there a recommended way to install Rust language on Debian 10 that is done from repos?
16:23<sarnold>I'd expect apt install cargo to get you most of the way there -- at least the descriptions on cargo and rustc packages don't give me the feeling that they're just for generating binary packages for distribution
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16:49<superkuh>Well, that' doesn't do it.
16:49<superkuh>It turns out that Rust stable isn't actually stable and the version Debian 10.9 has can't run most things.
16:49<superkuh>Er, compile.
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16:50<sarnold>dang, too old?
16:50<sney>yeah, there are a few things that couldn't be backported to buster because of rust
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16:51<superkuh>I plan on going to bullseye here soon. That has rust 1.50, which is what I need.
16:51<superkuh>But I imagine that'll only last a year or two before becoming non-functional.
16:52<azeem>ITYM rusty
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16:52<superkuh>Maybe. I don't know what I'm doing. I avoided it for years but now an application I'd like to try requires it.
16:53<superkuh>Oh, a joke. Right. Got it. Eventually.
16:53<azeem>sorry :-/
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17:55<superkuh>Oh. Even bullseye doesn't have 1.50 by default.
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18:07<Unit193>superkuh: Only experimental does.
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18:08<superkuh>I've decided to just not run the software, told the dev why I couldn't, and hope he'll not use rust in the future.
18:09<joeDoh>how does one determine what version of bluetooth is built into one's computer? None of lshw, lspci nor lsusb seem to show anything obvious. I've groped around in /proc and /sys without having found anything
18:09<superkuh>But... I am 3/4 done upgrading to bullseye anyway.
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18:23<Unit193>Good luck with that, a lot of things are pushing for rust now. There was a bit of a problem when a highly popular python module required rust for something or other (IIRC, but don't quote me on that.)
18:23<joeDoh>"bt-adapter -i" doesn't seem to help either
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18:25<superkuh>The upgrade to bullseye broke my system boot.
18:25<superkuh>This is the same thing that happened when I tried to use the bullseye installer.
18:25<superkuh>Whereas buster worked fine.
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18:27<superkuh>Good thing I cloned everything to an extra hard drive a couple weeks ago.
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19:31<redbrass>can anyone else see http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb ? When I run apt update I get a connection error for that repo. I've confirmed this on three different boxes, one on a different server - but I think he is on the same provider...
19:31<redbrass>er.. different network
19:32<sney>I get a 404, which isn't surprising for a 3rd party repo
19:32<sarnold>quite often 'cloud provider' things are stored in buckets that prevent directory listings
19:32<redbrass>this is the official google chrome setup. That part I find surprising.. but thanks.
19:33<redbrass>sarnold: understood, but apt update/upgrade fails too
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19:33<sarnold>not encouraging
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19:34<redbrass>It's been like that for a week and I can't find any reference to the issue online.
19:35<redbrass>guess my google-foo is weak these days.
19:35<sney>does the result of 'host dl.google.com' look normal, i.e. not a private ip address or something too familiar?
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19:36<redbrass>looks normal to me - a 208.x.x.x value from this box.
19:36<sarnold>some random website suggested wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb -- which omg, 71 MB/s download..
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19:38<redbrass>that URL works fine, but the /linux/chrome/deb was setup by the samesaid deb I used originally.
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19:39<redbrass>Thanks for the support though - it is encouraging to know that I'm not just inept :)
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22:12<brian_18>hey
22:12<sney>hi
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22:12<brian_18>can anyone tell me what this geoclue is about?
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