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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-04-30

---Logopened Fri Apr 30 00:00:24 2021
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00:10<alex11>does anyone know what 'line' is in alsamixer?
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00:17<Sqrt{not}>In pro audio, "line level" is a signal voltage range post-mixer or post-preamp, --as opposed to-- "mike level" which is the weak signal voltage produced by a microphone or guitar pickup or similar.
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00:19<Sqrt{not}>calibrated in "dB millivolts" or 600 ohm cabling
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00:45<mendel_munkis>Can anyone give me advice on debugging EFI boot stub failure?
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04:09<pi>um hi i guess
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04:55<_>how to build wine from source?
04:56<_>apt source wine
04:56<_>read readme find there ./configure
04:57<_>but there is no configure file in wine-4.0 directory!!!
04:57<_>what to do?
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04:59<_>what to make?
04:59<_>what to think?
05:00<joostvb>_: https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=debian+build+from+source
05:01<d4nk>use make?
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05:01<_>d4nk there is no make file!!!
05:02<d4nk>https://wiki.winehq.org/Build_Wine maybe this helps.
05:02<joostvb>autoreconf
05:02<d4nk>https://wiki.winehq.org/Building_Wine
05:03<_>configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash tools/config.sub
05:03<bentham>and, since your question is really about debian and not about wine: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html
05:03<d4nk>:)
05:04<_>bentham, my question is about all!!!
05:04<_>0
05:05<bentham>_: sure, but the first step is to build Debian sources in the official Debian way.
05:05<bentham>not the upstream way. That way lies madness.
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05:07<bentham>I mean, I'm assuming that you want to build the Debian way because you get Debian sources with 'apt source'
05:07<d4nk>probably just wants the lastest stable version
05:08<bentham>,v wine
05:08<judd>Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0.3-3; sid: 5.0.3-3
05:08<d4nk>i build it once then again with audio libraries on debian which worked fine
05:09<d4nk>6.0 is latest stable :/
05:09<_>thanks for attention to my trouble
05:10<bentham>If you really want a version that is different from a version listed above, then you should get it from the upstream software developer, not from 'apt source'
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05:51<user_>hi
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06:51<ydbi>there are youtubers that make videos on that?
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10:35<scorpion2185[m]>What is the part that makes root admin on the kernel?
10:36<bentham>Oh my. That is a big question.
10:37<scorpion2185[m]>I searched how but I cannot find anything.
10:37<scorpion2185[m]>"It would take some coding in the kernel to change this. "
10:38<bentham>What problem are you trying to solve.
10:38<scorpion2185[m]>I would like create a new root wtih a different uid
10:38<scorpion2185[m]> * I would like to create a new root wtih a different uid
10:39<bentham>You mean like 'toor' in BSD?
10:40<scorpion2185[m]>yes but that has the same uid of root, any OS can have that by simply adding another user with uid 0.
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10:41<blast007>is just so that you can log in to the GUI as a root-like user?
10:41<scorpion2185[m]>Yes an user with full admin rights, I think that it is a great idea.
10:42<bentham>Why is that better than sudo...?
10:42<scorpion2185[m]>sudo gives only some admin rights
10:42<avu>scorpion2185[m]: no, sudo lets you execute stuff as root
10:43<avu>scorpion2185[m]: and running all your GUI apps as root (even if the user is not called "root" but just has all the same capabilities) souns like a really bad idea
10:44<scorpion2185[m]>No you have use sudo all the times, type the password and when you open a file manager you don't have any right
10:44<scorpion2185[m]> * No you have to use sudo all the times, type the password and when you open a file manager you don't have any right
10:44<bentham>what is a 'file manager' and why not run it with sudo?
10:45<blast007>where are you constnatly needing root access when using the file manager?
10:45<scorpion2185[m]>nautilus for example some things require root and onluy a sudoers
10:46<scorpion2185[m]> * nautilus for example, some things require root and not only a sudoers
10:46<blast007>"some things" being what?
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10:46<scorpion2185[m]>I don't remember
10:46<avu>scorpion2185[m]: there really is nothing you need root for that you can't do using sudo.
10:47<scorpion2185[m]>I don't think rarely you need root
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10:48<scorpion2185[m]>What is the part that makes root admin on the kernel?
10:48<blast007>as you were told the other day, you can even change the sudo configuration to not ask for a password if you really want it to work that way
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10:49<scorpion2185[m]>I really want full admin rights
10:49<blast007>that's nice
10:50<avu>scorpion2185[m]: I imagine it's part of the capabilities handling, some part of the check to see if a process has a given capability just returning true by default if the procress is running with uid 0 and the cap hasn't been removed
10:50<avu>scorpion2185[m]: messing with that sounds like an even worse idea than running the UI as root though
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10:51<sney>patching the kernel to get around privilege separation? that's a new one lol
10:51<scorpion2185[m]>where is that part on the kernel files?
10:52<sney>scorpion2185[m]: you will just have to find it yourself. you know how to do that, right? research things without someone showing you the way?
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10:52<avu>scorpion2185[m]: you're not going to manage doing it right without a solid understanding of the kernel anyway, so finding where capabilities are handled should easily be done on the way
10:52<blast007>the all powerful root doesn't do research - he has people for that
10:55<bentham>I think that scorpion2185[m] can get the required functionality by (1) configuring sudo to not require a password and (2) configuring the GUI environment to run 'sudo nautilus' wherever 'nautilus' is specified, or by replacing /usr/bin/nautilus with a small script that runs 'sudo nautilus' or similar.
10:55<bentham>This all sounds like a terrible idea, but less terrible than messing with the kernel.
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10:56<scorpion2185[m]>I will have to type sudo and all the other apps? Gparted, disks, grub-customizer etc. When I will plug an usb key I will have to type the passowrd
10:57<sney>I think every newbie goes through this struggle of wanting to run everything as root. I certainly did.
10:57<bentham>I can, however, imagine an admin might legitimately want a graphical file manager to browse the filesystem.
10:57<avu>scorpion2185[m]: you definitely don't need your password when plugin in an USB stick with any modern DE
10:57<sney>but eventually you come to the conclusion that the smart approach is to use linux as it is, rather than obsessively customizing every environment you're in
10:58<sney>there's a lot of learning that goes with that struggle though, as long as you take the time to tinker with it rather than demanding drive-through support answers anyway
10:58<avu>luckily learning is fun (:
11:00<bentham>scorpion2185[m]: if you use the approach I mentioned you will not need to type sudo every time. But again, I don't recommend that approach. I would guess that there is a 'standard way' in your GUI environment to graphically browse your filesystem as root.
11:00<bentham>And, what is so hard about opening a terminal and typing e.g. sudo nautilus?
11:01<bentham>surely you can do this for gparted, etc
11:01<sney>it's different from how some $(other os) does it, so it's non-intuitive at this time.
11:02<scorpion2185[m]>On Debian by default you use root , the user is not a sudoer
11:03<sney>that's incorrect, the choice is made during the installer
11:03<sney>(you probably did not read this part in the installer)
11:03<sney>when installing debian you have the option to leave the root password blank. this disables root login and enables sudo for the first configured user.
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11:04<scorpion2185[m]>I didn't notice that
11:05<sney>obviously
11:05<sney>when there are words on the screen, you will have a better time if you read them.
11:06<blast007>he's been told twice that sudo can be configured to not require a password, yet still is complaining about it requiring a password.
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11:08<scorpion2185[m]>I am complaining about not full admin rights.
11:08<scorpion2185[m]>Since by defautl you need the password I complain about it
11:08<blast007>and so instead of changing a configuration file to adjust the behavior, you instead wanted to modify the kernel to add another root user with a different uid?
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11:10<scorpion2185[m]>yes becasue it is not the same, I will have to type sudo. And when I open apps in the GUI? Gparted, disks, grub-customizer etc.
11:10<scorpion2185[m]>sudo nautilus open a temrinal sudo gedit edit file
11:10<sney>blast007: I think we just need to let this run its course
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11:11<dnogin>Hi everydoby, who know about plans to move stable release to kernel v 5.0+ ?
11:12<sney>dnogin: when bullseye releases in a few months, it will have a 5.10 kernel.
11:12<sney>dnogin: if you want a 5.x kernel on debian 10, use buster-backports.
11:12<sney>!bpo kernel
11:12<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
11:12<zoke>scorpion2185[m]: why on earth would you run natilus as root?
11:15<another>scorpion2185[m]: there are good reasons why paswordless sudo is not the default.
11:16<dnogin>sney: Thnx!
11:16<another>and as multiple people mentioned before: a proper sudoers file will give you complete root access. you can even open a root login shell
11:17<dnogin>dpkg: will read about it. thanks too!
11:17<dpkg>dnogin: are you smoking crack?
11:17<zoke>another: a proper sudoers file would limit sudo to specific commands and not allow for full root
11:17<dnogin>dpkg: nope ;) why are you asking?
11:17<dpkg>okay, dnogin
11:17<another>sure. i meant, you *can* configure it to give you full, passwordless access
11:18<another>dnogin: dpkg is a bot
11:18<dnogin>another: :)
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11:20<zoke>another: I think the main problem is a lack of understanding of how the system is designed to work. Not the sudo configuration
11:20<another>scorpion2185[m]: secondly, a lot of tools that require root have a hardcoded check for EUID 0. so it won't be enough to convince the kernel to give another uid the same privileges. you'd also need to patch a lot of software
11:21<zoke>and a lot of software is hardcooded to check for root as username :(
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11:21<another>i mostly see a uid/euid check for 0
11:22<zoke>have you tried chaning the username of root to something else lately
11:22<avu>either variant is used and will break with scorpion2185[m]'s approach
11:22<another>zoke: nope. i have better things to do with my time ;)
11:23<zoke>another: don't try it... things break
11:24<avu>find / -type f -exec sed -i 's/root/Wurzel/g' {} \; # make this a proper German system
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11:25<another>https://666kb.com/i/c8hnki1xcyer2qtk1.jpg
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11:38<zoke>has anyone bothered to explain that root != admin
11:41<bcachefs-newbie>another: I still use RCS for several personal files, I like that "meme"
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11:42<bcachefs-newbie>avu: to make it a proper german system you should rewrite the kernel from C to Plankalkül :-)
11:42<another>bcachefs-newbie: the main part of the meme is that Tichy in his lectures translates everything to german
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11:44<bcachefs-newbie>another: Oh my. That*s crazy. I am all for writing in proper native language, but not technical speech. A lot of music terminology is still in italian, a lot of philosophical terminology must be in german even in non-german languages, etc.
11:45<avu>bcachefs-newbie: <3
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11:45<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I am testing the debian buster 10.9 on an old laptop here, and I have noticed that, whenever I use two applications simultaneously running videos, the system crashes, the screen is blank and the system is inaccessible.
11:45<avu>In my old edition of the C Bible, it's all about Zeiger, not a pointer in sight
11:46<r4fkramer>I used VLC with Internet TV streaming enabled and a video on Youtube. The system invariably crashes. Thank you very much if someone knows how to tell me why this happens
11:46<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: that is a bit too vague, and if you have logs they may say something.
11:47<r4fkramer>hi bcachefs-newbie, thanks for advice. I tried to check some logs through 'dmesg' without arguments; but I don't know if this is the best resource for this case.
11:47<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: possibly the old laptop has a GPU chipset whose driver is no longer properly tested.
11:47<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: try to use the VESA GPU driver. It won't be fast.
11:48<another>bcachefs-newbie: apparently he got shit once for having english in there and translates *everything* now out of protest
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11:48<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: also, if you are using Weston/Wayland etc. all bets are off.
11:49<bcachefs-newbie>as to "a lot of software is hardcooded to check for root", a lot of software is done by people who don't get the UNIX ideology, nothing new there.
11:52<zoke>bcachefs-newbie: seems to be a lot of "sysadmins" who doesn't get the ideology as well :p
11:52<r4fkramer>bcachefs-newbie, I don't use Weston/Wayland.
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11:53<bcachefs-newbie>avu: actually in some ways the real "germanic" successor to Plankalkül was and is ALGOL 68. And indeed some excellent operating systems were written in ALGOL 68 (in England and in Russia though).
11:53<bcachefs-newbie>zoke: oh yes indeed, so many sysadmins don
11:54<bcachefs-newbie>zoke: oh yes indeed, so many sysadmins don't get the UNIX ideology, "all the world is MS-Windows" mindset :-(
11:54<zoke>bcachefs-newbie: sad but true...
11:56<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: then most likely it is a driver problem on obsolete GPU with a "too new" kernel or X server driver.
11:57<somiaj>It could also just be bad hardware, and running multiple videos just puts enough stress on it to crash.
11:57<bcachefs-newbie>as to "UNIX ideology" I then take the opportunity to advertise some recent posts in my blog: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/21-one.html?210417#210417
11:57<another>bcachefs-newbie: and far from the truth. Windows is only king on desktop/notebook. mobiles, which make up the vast majority of computers nowaday, are mostly android
11:57<bcachefs-newbie>somiaj: yes, if the laptop as often is the case has a clogged cooling channel, overheating the GPU can overheat the CPU too and cause a crash
11:59<bcachefs-newbie>another: that Android thingie has history. Several years ago there was a debate about Linux and BSD, and the argument was that BSD, being the kernel of Apple iPhones and Macs, was far more popular than Linux. Then Android happened :-)
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11:59<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: you should look at both the X server logs and the system logs for more information.
12:00<somiaj>We should try to focus a bit more on debian support here, espically when actual support questions can get lost.
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12:00<r4fkramer>Fine, somiaj, thank you for answering too. Apparently, that's what is happening here.
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12:01<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: I regularly blow into my laptops's cooling vents, and take off the bottom and blow the other way too, to unclog the cooling fan and vents.
12:01<another>bcachefs-newbie: plus the majority of servers and supercomputer run linus. don't even get me started on containers. "all the world is Windows" is a really limited view
12:01<somiaj>r4fkramer: First I would see if it is just xorg vs the whole kernel crashing, if it is the whole kernel crashing, hardware/driver issues are most likely, but sometimes it takes a bit to debug such issues.
12:02<zoke>another: I think the point was that people with a windows background expects linux to work the same
12:03<zoke>another: ie log in as admin and run any application
12:03<r4fkramer>agree somiaj, thank you for your understanding. I just presented a question about an abnormal behavior of an old computer running debian, and suddenly, even stupid statements about ms windows, etc., started to emerge
12:03<another>zoke: ... yeah... well...
12:03<zoke>in reality there are very few things that would require running as root
12:04<bcachefs-newbie>as to supercomputers, I was once at a meeting with dozens of supercomputer admins, and all but a handful (which included me) had PowerBooks with Mac OSX. I had Debian.
12:04<somiaj>r4fkramer: it is more there is another non support conversation going on, though when actual support questions get lost, they should wrap it up
12:04<r4fkramer>Ok bcachefs-newbie, thank you for information. I'll check according your suggestion
12:04<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: the MS-Windows discussion was about a previous topic.
12:04<r4fkramer>yes, somiaj, agree
12:04<somiaj>bcachefs-newbie: which is off topic here though.
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12:05<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: do you already know where the X server and system logs are?
12:05*another gets out the gift wrapping paper and wraps it up.
12:05<another>Done.
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12:10<r4fkramer>bcachefs-newbie, I really appreciate your attention, and I thank you very much for the information you have provided. But, as the somiaj himself noted: other people have made statements that don't make much sense in a debian support channel, exactly at a time when someone was asking for debian support
12:11<r4fkramer>I used inxi -G, but I need to take a closer look at some combinations of commands with lspci, and see if I can detect the source of this problem.
12:11<r4fkramer>Apparently, it has to do with the observation that somiaj made above, because, only with the use of the resources of videos, that this problem happens.
12:11<somiaj>r4fkramer: one test I sometimes use is try to ping the machine, or if it has an ssh server running, see if you can ssh to the machine after the screen goes blank.
12:12<somiaj>r4fkramer: if the machine responds to pings or you can ssh to it, this just means xorg is crashing and taking the keyboard/display with it, but the kernel is still running. This says the issue is in the xorg driver. Now if the kernel is crashing, my experience is this is more often hardware issues than in the kernel (but not always)
12:14<r4fkramer>Fine, somiaj, so, I'll have to simulate the error again. I guess debian installation is fine. But running in bad obsolete hardware. Anyway, I'll make these tests you've suggested, really thank you :)
12:21<bcachefs-newbie>r4fkramer: "only with the use of the resources of videos" that is not necessarily relevant, video displa also involves some special extensions to the X server and protocol. Also it could be in some cases even an "shm" size problem. It is all a question of greater and lesser probabilities.
12:24<r4fkramer>Ok bcachefs-newbie, I will analyze this new information of yours, until I reach a more definitive conclusion on this case. I just have to thank You and somiaj for the attention and support sought. :)
12:24<r4fkramer>Really thank you very much
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12:49<Sqrt{not}>r4fkramer, another question: do you have swap enabled on this old machine?
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12:54<r4fkramer>Sqrt{not}, thank you for attention. Yes, 3 3GB swap file - more than enough
12:56<r4fkramer>3GB swap file
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13:07<d4nk>can't you just add a program that usually needs root to your group and maybe do an fstab entry for the usb dongle?
13:11<d4nk>eg: usermod -aG gparted username
13:13<somiaj>If the goal is to have your user to be able to write to the disks directly, /dev/sd?, so you can modify partition tables, write file systems, I think you just want to add yourself to the 'disk' group
13:15<d4nk>was reading up on scorpion2185[m] and thought that might be a solution
13:15<d4nk>but thanks, somiaj.
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13:18<jhutchins>You can put an entry for the device or UUID in fstab that grants write permissions to regular users.
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13:18<d4nk>exactly
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13:19<somiaj>write permission? Doesn't that just give mount permissions, write will depend on the actually fs
13:19<d4nk>`user,rw,automaunt`
13:19<d4nk>automount*
13:20<d4nk>or just auto i guess
13:21<Sqrt{not}>many of the current DE's will automount it anyway, as the user logged into the DE, without any fstab entry
13:21<d4nk>wouldn't know about that :3
13:21<somiaj>and if the file system is vfat (or ntfs-3g) setup the uid and gid appropertly
13:22<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: Yes, but it will be RO.
13:22<Sqrt{not}>gnome for sure will mount it at /media/myusername/whateverdisklabelitfinds
13:23<Sqrt{not}>jhutchins, drwxr-xr-x 1 lwp lwp 2048 Mar 27 09:47 d-live nf 10.9.0 ci i386
13:23<somiaj>this depends on the filesystem, ext? file systems, you just need to set the appropraite permissions on the filesystem, but as I said, most automounters will setup uid/gid appropertly for vfat/ntfs-3g to match the user.
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13:24<Sqrt{not}>(a usb stick automounted by gnome)
13:25<d4nk>so, execute and read for the user?
13:25<Sqrt{not}>and write in my case
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13:26<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: I see a conspicuous lack of w on your post.
13:26<Sqrt{not}>(the x is a directory permission in this case actually, not exactly execute)
13:26<somiaj>yea, just defaults to uid=username,gid=groupname,umask=022, though here this is just due to the filesystem.
13:26<Sqrt{not}>jhutchins, for the owner it has w, look again
13:29<jhutchins>Ah, so it does. Gnome must do things differemtly these days.
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13:31<Sqrt{not}>(this _is_ stretch, so maybe it's changed in buster or bullseye, don't have a gnome version of those handy)
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13:34<Sqrt{not}>here is an automounted DOS-fat usb stick: drwxr-xr-x 4 lwp lwp 16384 Dec 31 1969 UDISK 2.0
13:35<jhutchins>It was not true at some point in the past, there's a factoid that explains the syntax for the fstab entry.
13:38<Sqrt{not}>this seems like a pretty handy default for my uses. I do try to remember to umount them before I run fdisk or dd against them
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13:40<d4nk>i think it's actually nice to only have usb devices mounted/automounted that are allowed to
13:41<somiaj>jhutchins: these automounters have been around for a while and evolve, but often keep changing how to use them, so only the DEs have in my experience relaibably had them.
13:41<somiaj>d4nk: depends on use case, if you regurally use tons of usb thumb drives, having to put the UUID of each and everyone into fstab might not be worth it.
13:43<Sqrt{not}>it doesn't seem outrageous for the user who is logged in at the console to be able to RW a removable storage at the console
13:44<d4nk>yeah i get it that most users probably want ease of use
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13:44<d4nk>especially for new folks
13:46<Sqrt{not}>even some of us geezers like ease-of-use
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13:46<d4nk>;)
13:47<somiaj>yea, the only reason I dno't have automounter setup, is I mount a usb drive about once a year.
13:47<somiaj>If i used usb drivers that weren't ust ext4 backups, I would totally want that
13:50<jhutchins>somiaj: You can just use the device name.
13:51<Sqrt{not}>my most common uses are file-transfer-to/from-windows; writing bootable USB images; backups
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13:52<jhutchins>/dev/sdc1 /mnt/backup ext3 defaults,noauto 0 0
13:53<d4nk>my sdbX and sdaX change places magically from time to time so that's not a good idea
13:54<d4nk>with uuid it doesn't matter where they are
13:56<Sqrt{not}>yeah, that's bad magic. I see that on an old laptop I've been fooling with. Can I use UUID's on a machine that only boots in BIOS mode / too old for any UEFI ?
13:56<somiaj>jhutchins: sure, but it is not as reliable, and I've had issues where sometimes my usb drives get assigned /dev/sdd instead of /dev/sdc for instance.
13:57<jhutchins>Mine's been reliable, but I do actually use the UUID these days.
13:57<d4nk>gladly i never had to deal with uefi but this pc isn't that old
13:57<d4nk>maybe 10 yrs tops
13:58<jhutchins>Also, I never unplug the backup drive, just spin it down and unmount it.
13:58<jhutchins>That's on a 24/7 server that seldom gets booted.
13:58<scorpion2185[m]>zoke: nice root! is admin, another admin with a different uid would be nice
13:59<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: It is worth learning how to properly deal with permissions and setup, vs just lets do everything as root.
14:00<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], make a user named "r00t" and set its login shell to be: "sudo pkexec su -c 'sulogin -e'"
14:00<somiaj>I do know that maybe this distinction isn't as needed for desktop use, but it is needed in lots of other cases, and is worth while having built into the core, but it does require a bit of getting use to. Over time I have learned to do less and less as root, and only use root for the things that need it.
14:01<scorpion2185[m]>what does that command?
14:01<Sqrt{not}>it makes r00t into SUPER-root
14:01<sney>!tias
14:01<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
14:02<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: personaly I would not do such a thing, but again it is just a matter of learning how to use permissions correctly, vs just clobering everything with root.
14:02<d4nk>also depends on use case
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14:25<segamain>got it, sry, but it's ok to have multiple debian channels on different networks open right ? and what's k:lined
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14:51<another>a k-line is a network wide ban
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14:52<segamain>ooff thanks for the heads up
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17:31<gebruiker>i find them to small
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22:07<Guest2731>Hello i'm new to whonix, anyone else?
22:10<abrotman>dpkg: whonix
22:10<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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22:39<SANDRO>\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Ciao\ a TuTTi Di ///////////////// #debian •)))
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22:40<dvs>!list
22:40<dpkg>dvs: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ !
22:40<somiaj>too slow
22:40<dvs>heh
22:42<sarnold>I wouldn't have expected !list to be italian :)
22:44<Field4343>Should be English
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22:44<Sqrt{not}>apparently it's some predominately italian trend to search for wares
22:46<Sqrt{not}>iirc, those users will appear in a channel and try some kind of "list" command
22:46<Field4343>I see. Are bots possible in these servers?
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22:47<sarnold>yes, but it's best to talk with channel owners before introducing them; also, make sure it's easy to figure out who owns the bot from /wii output
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22:49<Field4343>I don't have any interest introducing bots.
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22:53<Field4343>Are these servers fairly active?
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22:57<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, oftc
22:57<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
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23:03<Field4343>Session has released their audit not too long ago. Looks interesting
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