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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-05-02

---Logopened Sun May 02 00:00:27 2021
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02:51<jorgesumle>Hi, how can I know the size of the Packages file for Bullseye?
02:51<jorgesumle>Packages.xz
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02:52<sunyibo>I'd like to build git-annex on debian. I'm getting this https://bpa.st/W4ZA
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04:34<aby>Hi, all of you, I'm trying to use packet tracer (cisco) and I'm getting this error,.
04:34<aby>./PacketTracer: /opt/pt/bin/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found (required by ./PacketTracer)
04:35<aby>ldd (Debian GLIBC 2.28-10) 2.28
04:35<aby>Do you know how I can install this version of glibc?
04:35<aby>I have debian 10
04:35<aby>Linux Hope 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:37<olasd>aby: on Debian 10, you can't. I would suggest trying a chroot or a virtual machine with Debian 11 bullseye (which is in deep freeze and going to be released in a few weeks), or whatever OS the package you're trying to install was built on
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04:37<aby>Thanks, this is what I though
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05:02<Aquarius>IDENTIFY
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09:34<jhutchins>aby: You should contact your cisco support and give them hell for not supporting the stable versions of major distributions. I'll bet it doesn't work on Red Hat either.
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09:37<aby>jjhutchins: I'll do it for the community. this problem happen with the last versionof packet tracer 8. the version 7 also doesn't work with a similar issue.
09:38<aby>at the end i just used a vmbox. with win10
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10:21<petn-randall>hi tristan41509a_
10:21<choozy>hi
10:22<tristan41509a_>how are you guys
10:26<petn-randall>tristan41509a_: Pretty good, thanks for asking. Do you have a Debian support question?
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10:27<tristan41509a_>nah just looking what is was
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13:13<jumbo>hiii
13:14<jumbo>want some help
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13:17<sney>!ask
13:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:18<jumbo>does tails comes under debian
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13:19<sney>no, go to #tails for tails support
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13:50<equals>hello
13:51<equals>anyone here?
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13:52<sney>!anyone
13:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:52<equals>hey sney
13:52<equals>this is so cool
13:53<equals>(this is my first time using IRC btw)
13:53<sney>right on, you might need this one then
13:53<sney>!new2irc
13:53<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
13:53<equals>thank you friend! :D
13:54<sney>np
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14:54<Arrowmaster>is there a way like with `apt-get install package-` but to purge a package instead of just remove it?
14:55<sney>not that I've ever seen
14:55<sney>aptitude might be able to, it's got some extra tricks
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14:56<Arrowmaster>i figured out I could put package names appended with - in a cloud-init packages config section to uninstall default packages but was trying to see if there was a way to purge them instead
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14:56<somiaj>well seems apt purge remove- install+ might work
14:57<somiaj>actually just apt purge remove1 remove2 install+
14:58<somiaj>Arrowmaster: what is your goal, almost wonder if a different approach would be more appropriate? Are you trying to clone a package setup?
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14:59<Arrowmaster>I'm trying to make a cloud-init config to apply some baseline customizations for usage with a vm template
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15:00<somiaj>I'm unsure exactly what a cloud-init config would allow, but there are various other ways to clone a set of packages
15:00<somiaj>there is --set-selections in dpkg, and both apt and aptitude have methods too.
15:01<Arrowmaster>i think removing in the packages section then doing a runcmd for the purge later in the initialization should work fine
15:02<somiaj>but maybe check out /msg dpkg debian clone (also apt-clone and aptitude clone) for various methods to clone a list of packages.
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15:02<somiaj>but I think the option in debian clone with --set-selections, afiak this will also purge packages appropertly
15:03<somiaj>aptitude clone is a bit more sophisicated if you want to keep auto installed flags
15:04<Arrowmaster>yeah I know of a few other better ways to do this but I'm trying to keep it just to a cloud-init config so I can just drop in future versions of the stock img
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15:07<somiaj>it could also be having the config files around (removed but not purged) won't make a huge difference in the end anyways, and could just be acceptable compermise
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15:20<scorpion2185[m]>what is a good OS for resizing partitions ?
15:20<scorpion2185[m]>Encrypted lvm, gparted OS can't do anything
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15:33<scorpion2185[m]>I had an old version maybe the new works
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16:10<jhutchins>scorpion2185[m]: You're probably best off just repartitioning and restoring from the backup you always make when you're messing with partitions.
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16:27<segamain>is it possible to download and launch steam on debian ?
16:27<sney>segamain: yes, enable multiarch and non-free and then 'apt install steam:i386'
16:28<segamain>sney: how can I enable multiarch and non free ?
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16:28<sney>pay close attention to the next two messages from dpkg:
16:28<sney>!multiarch howto
16:28<dpkg>somebody said multiarch howto was http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
16:28<sney>!non-free sources
16:28<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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16:30<segamain>yee I was about to ask if it had something to do with te sourcelist :)
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16:38<jmcnaught>segamain: there's also a Debian wiki page about Steam: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
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16:55<another>,v flatpak
16:55<judd>Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.9-0+deb9u2; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1.2.5-0+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.5-0+deb10u4; buster-security: 1.2.5-0+deb10u4; buster-backports: 1.10.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.10.2-1; experimental: 1.11.1-1
16:56<another>i'm running steam through flatpak, although on a different distro. might be an option
16:59<dreamer>flatpak--
16:59<dreamer>regular steam binary works fan
16:59<dreamer>fine*
16:59<sney>steam is a self-contained and self-updating application, so the initial method of install probably doesn't matter *too* much
16:59<dreamer>and at least can update itself
16:59<dreamer>what sney said
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17:02<another>hmm.. dreamer: anything else against flatpak?
17:03<superkuh>There's no need to justify his position. It's the default. You need to justify the additional complexity and debugging problems of using a container?
17:05<segamain>is there an amd64 version of steam ? or is there only the i386
17:05<another>not wanting to install various 32bit packages
17:05<dreamer>another: everything
17:05<dreamer>the fact that you can't simply download one and run it as an executable
17:06<dreamer>at least AppImage you can do that
17:06<dreamer>both flatpak and snap need some sort of system service to host them
17:06<another>hmm.. i don't have a problem with that
17:06<dreamer>I do
17:06<dreamer>I don't want some 3rd party binary being handled by a system service that is out of my control
17:07<dreamer>and I don't want these system services running at all in the first place
17:07<dreamer>appimage you can at least just execute in place
17:07<dreamer>so when you download something online it doesn't have to be installed by some system service before you can even tell if it's useful or not
17:07<jmcnaught>What system service does Flatpak need running?
17:08<dreamer>oh maybe that's just snap then?
17:09<dreamer>I just don't want to "install" flatpaks at all
17:09<dreamer>but it's impossible to get one without installing them
17:09<dreamer>I dislike the entire premise
17:09<dreamer>but there's freedesktop.org for you.
17:09<dreamer>trying to get rid of package managers
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17:10<segamain>aight :D understandable have a nice day
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17:11<another>fair enough. i'm still in the experimenting phase with flatpak. we'll see how far it goes
17:12<petrj>anyone knows under what circumstances efi's get_memory_map call could stuck on a certain aarch64 device?
17:12<petrj>to be exact this call https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/27787ba3fa4904422b3928b898d1bd3d74d98bea/drivers/firmware/efi/libstub/efi-stub-helper.c#L471
17:13<petrj>it hangs there on SPX SQ2, workaround is to just return success a line above :/
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17:36<superkuh>With both in at once?
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18:57<jhutchins>!bumblebee
18:57<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
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19:56<calamari>If I connect HDMI straight to my TV, it works. However, if I route the HDMI through my AV receiver first, neither xorg or wayland works (black screen). In xorg, I was able to hack past the problem by adding the modelines from the EDID to xorg.conf. Is there something similar I can do for wayland?
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20:01<sney>overriding edid info for wayland would be handled by KMS, which arch has documented here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID you might want to check if your receiver has a hdmi passthrough mode too.
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20:07<richard_h>for some time, I've had a systemd service file I wrote (or maybe copied) for redmine, which has been working fine - it starts unicorn
20:08<richard_h>now, it's stopped working - /run/redmine disappears on reboot, so there's nowhere to write the pid
20:08<richard_h>has something changed (in systemd or elsewhere?) to cause that to happen?
20:09<richard_h>do I need something in my service unit to create the required directories?
20:09<sney>well, /run is a tmpfs, if you need something persistent maybe you should use /var/run instead
20:09<richard_h>I thought /var/run was deprecated in favour of /run
20:09<richard_h>and is a symlink to /run
20:10<sney>ah, indeed
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20:10<richard_h>but yes, it's a tmpfs
20:11<richard_h>I don't think that's new though ... so something must have previously been creating the directories
20:11<dorian>hello. Because I don't want to wade through a ton of data on the official debian packages page, I was hoping one of you nice debian enthusiasts could help me find an easy and effective CSV to graph program
20:11<sney>what changed in between when it worked and when it stopped working? did you upgrade from one debian release to another, install/remove groups of packages, etc?
20:12<richard_h>unfortunately I don't know exactly when it stopped working. I moved it from a stretch box (container, actually) to a buster container a few weeks ago, but it worked after that
20:12<richard_h>beyond that I think I've only done regular updates on it.
20:13<sney>if you have a rough idea of *when* it broke, page through /var/log/apt/history.log and look for likely culprits
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20:19<richard_h>last upgrades from that were for libisc/bind stuff, which seems unlikely. Before that was definitely before I last used redmine.
20:19<richard_h>so it doesn't look like package upgrades :-(
20:20<richard_h>weird.
20:20<jmcnaught>Can you make a pastebin of the service unit and log messages from when it does not start?
20:20<somiaj>are you sure it was working from your stretch to buster switch, that to me sounds like where the most likely change would be.
20:21<richard_h>mind you, the last reboot other than the recent one was ages before, so an upgrade could have broken it but not been apparent till the next reboot
20:21<richard_h>yes, I've definitely had it running on buster
20:22<richard_h>service unit: https://paste.debian.net/1196081/
20:22<richard_h>I don't see log messages; I debugged by running it by hand, using the unit as a guide
20:23<richard_h>and it complained that the pid was not writeable - understandable; the directory wasn't there
20:24<richard_h>looks like I need a RuntimeDirectory directive, but I'm puzzled as to how it worked before ...
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20:29<richard_h>RuntimeDirectory=redmine/default fixes it
20:32<somiaj>looks like that makes it so it creates a directory in /run with correct permissions.
20:32<richard_h>yes
20:32<somiaj>without it, it will just use /run, and maybe the user/group didn't have permissions for that directory
20:33<richard_h>it was trying to create under /run/redmine/default
20:33<somiaj>wonder if for some reason last time you tried this it just happened to be able to have the correct permissions that time. Seems strange this has just all the suddon changed, but could have been due to maybe some permission issue in /run that after a reboot didn't work any more
20:33<richard_h>... which is configured in redmine's unicorn config
20:36<richard_h>well it still failed after I added RuntimeDirectory=redmine so it didn't know how to create the 'default' subdirectory by itself
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20:41<richard_h>looks like a couple of days ago was the first reboot since I set it up.
20:41<richard_h>ah - looks like I created those directories manually when I first set it up, and didn't reboot since :-)
20:41<sney>that'll do it :)
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20:42<somiaj>richard_h: default is probably a poor name, but RuntimeDirectory=default, though might want to reconfigure redmine to use a better named runtime dir
20:42<richard_h>but stretch already has /var/run -> run and run as tmpfs
20:43<richard_h>maybe the stretch version of unicorn behaved differently, or something.
20:43<calamari>sney: thank you for the edid link earlier
20:43<richard_h>I think 'default' is from the debian redmine package, but I'm not sure
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20:43<somiaj>I think it is more maybe a permission thing making /run a bit more secure, /var/run and /run were symlinked in stretch I belive
20:44<richard_h>ie you can have multiple redmine instances, and I'm only using the default one
20:44<sney>systemd went from 232-25 to 241-7 between stretch and buster as well
20:45<richard_h>I've blown away the old container, so I can't fire it back up
20:45<richard_h>never mind, it's working now :-)
20:45<richard_h>thanks for the hints :-)
20:46<richard_h>well, I guess I could restore it from backups, but I don't think it's worth it :-)
20:46<somiaj>yea, I would just solve the problem and move on, maybe some change in how runtime dirs are dealt with with systemd
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21:15<Guest2856>Hello guys. Debian noob needs help - running bullseye with cinnamon I have noticed that some apps don';t respect my dark theme. Probably something to do with sudo
21:15<Guest2856>For example running apps like piper
21:15<Guest2856>root file exlorer etc.
21:17<somiaj>in general we recoomend not running gui apps as root.
21:17<somiaj>Though themes/configuration are stored in $HOME and root is going to have a different enviorment and $HOME so that would explain why user settings are not honored by root
21:18<sney>plus, global "dark mode" is a relatively new concept and some applications still don't understand/respect it
21:18<Guest2856>i understand, but is there solution for that. for example my lightdm is in light theme
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21:21<sney>at a guess, setting the system default gtk theme(s) to a dark one would apply that to applications not associated with your user session
21:21<alex11>eww cinnamon
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21:21<sney>probably in a global gtkrc, wherever in /etc that lives
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21:22<Guest2856>thanks
21:22<somiaj>I think you can configure lightdm directly via its config file in /etc too
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21:36<kingsley_>The venerable Michael Larabel at Phoronix reported a 17x speed-up for the OrangeFS at
21:37<kingsley_>https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OrangeFS-Extreme-Linux-5.13
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21:44<somiaj>although intersting, a bit off topic here.
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22:18<lk>topic
22:19<somiaj>the topic here is debian support, though assuming you left off a /
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23:26<lhvf>Hello Debian Stable Support Channel!
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23:31<lhvf>I've seen today that MPlayer Community has been released a new updated package Repository for Debian. Does it work at least on Stretch? Could anyone here test it compatibility? Reference link: < http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html#debian_packages >.
23:31<lhvf>Works on Stretch (OldStable)?
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23:36<muppet>stretch? bullseye is near release afaik. now is the time to move on.
23:36<muppet>they just have a "current" repo. hrm.
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23:40<Sqrt{not}>v mplayer
23:40<Sqrt{not}>,v mplayer
23:40<judd>Package: mplayer on amd64 -- stretch: 2:1.3.0-6; buster: 2:1.3.0-8+b4; bullseye: 2:1.4+ds1-1; sid: 2:1.4+ds1-1; stretch-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20170413.svn37931-dmo3+deb9u5; buster-multimedia: 4:1.4-dmo3+deb10u5; bullseye-multimedia: 4:1.4.0~20210304.svn38299-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 4:1.4.0~20210304.svn38299-dmo2
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23:41<Sqrt{not}>so they say their latest release is 1.4 looks like buster-multimedia has that
23:41<Sqrt{not}>i mean you can install from regular debian packages
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23:43<Sqrt{not}>to your question, stretch has version 1.3
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23:49<lhvf>muppet: I will remain in the Debian Stretch because I've issues like GPU / Hard Lockups with my NVIDIA old GPU, and I need the NVIDIA Proprietary Driver for avoid this (against Nouveau OpenSource Driver), and the last Kernel that it can work with my current On-board GPU until the 4.10 Linux Kernel version (e.g. Ubuntu 17.04) and in case of Debian, the 4.9.x.y LTS Linux Kernel Series..
23:49<lhvf>Sqrt{not}: Yes, I do know about Stretch carried versions.
23:50<lhvf>Sqrt{not}: Yes, I do know about Stretch *released* versions.
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23:54<lhvf>muppet: The other solution is to buy a new GPU and fit into the GPU in the PCI Express Slot (what I don't wish to do at the moment)..
23:55<user__>hi all
23:55<Sqrt{not}>lhvf, as muppet said, mplayer's own debian repo lists the version as "current" . Note that stetch is now codenamed "oldstable" and very soon will become oldoldstable
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23:56<Sqrt{not}>which is not very near to "current"
23:56<Anon002>Hi all , can i have help please I am using Whonix and i try to find how to Create my Own Server Secured like hidden service for Hex or Dino IM Chat messaging !
23:57<Sqrt{not}>but, if you have problems with the stretch version from debian, "try it and see" with the "current" version
23:57<Anon002>I want to people join my Server to speak !
23:57<Sqrt{not}>!whonix
23:57<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
23:57<Anon002>okais well thank you
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