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00:13<lhvf>Sqrt{not}: My father tried to install Debian Buster (10.4.x) on the exact same Motherboard Model, but with another NVIDIA Legacy GPU not supported anymore by the Manufacturer, and he also attempted to manage to install and him bought an another old NVIDIA GPU PCI Express Model, and he've fitted on a unused Slot, and the only Debian Flavor that worked well was the LXDE. Many Video artifacts on the KDE Edition.
00:13<lhvf>Sqrt{not}: And for the GNOME version, no chances.. And MATE Edition wasn't attempted yet.. And since then, him left it quiet, without touching in anything, when he managed to make the video card just work..
00:13<lhvf>With Nouveau OpenSource Linux Driver
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00:26<lhvf>[...] Was bought recently only one different new GPU -- this is what I was trying to say.. [...]
00:26<lhvf>I'm having issues with Mozilla Firefox-ESR current release on Debian Stretch. A set of two website pages freezes / refuses to terminate to load. The error on Mozilla Crash Reporter have the 'NV30' code. Wouldn't that be related to the NVIDIA Graphic Card 'codename' in the Freedesktop Project?
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00:39<lhvf>I'll try this Debian Wiki Tutorial tomorrow or some time after this: < https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Troubleshooting >.
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00:49<lhvf>*For isolate the issues, with 'Safe Mode' starting type.
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00:54<somiaj>lhvf: are you running nouveau graphics driver?
00:54<somiaj>oh more scroll back one second
00:54<lhvf>Yes, I am.
00:54<lhvf>I've already have attempted the Mozilla Firefox Desktop Support at Matrix.org (Official Network) Support Channel.. craigevil have seen my messages. But anybody responded my statements/questions..
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01:06<lhvf>Maybe due the lack of support (I say Adobe Flash Player isn't supported anymore for Firefox since 84.x.y releases, and ended by the Adobe since December last year (2020) ) is making the websites that I quoted to crash? I'll try in next days with Mozilla Firefox-ESR Tarball (from FTP), in the previous versions before the removing the support of Shockwave Flash Player, and start the end of Flash NPAPI Support..
01:09<lhvf>[...] for Firefox since 84.x.y releases (and LTS-based against regular releases[...][...] before the *removing of the support* of Shockwave Flash Player [...]
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01:26<lhvf>If 'NV30' refers to the codename of my GPU in Freedesktop Project , then this is wrong.. See this webpage: < https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/CodeNames.html >. My NVIDIA GPU Model is GeForce 7 Series (GeForce 7200/nForce 630a). Bug mentioning issues like GPU/Hard Lockups at launchpad.net (Canonical Manager System): < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1412602 >.
01:29<lhvf>Bye. Tomorrow or next days I'll be back with more conclusions..
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05:51<mulbery>im after a GUI based suggestion for transferring files from one remote debian server to another remote debian server (my local uses mint)
05:51<mulbery>rsync and sftp via the temrinal give me about 6mb/s so thats my baseline, i tried using nemo file manager but speeds plummeted to 150kb/s
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05:55<jm_>there's grsync as a GUI for rsync if that helps
05:56<jm_>filezilla can also do SFTP
05:56<mulbery>i did a little googling on that one, it seems to work for local-to-remote, but i wasnt sure how to configure it for remote-to-remote
05:56<jm_>ahh sorry completely missed that part
05:56<mulbery>same with filezilla, i could onyl work out local-to-remote
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06:01<mulbery>perhaps i could install something like filezilla on one of the remote servers, without installing a full blown DE, and load that remote copy of filezilla off my local?
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06:05<jm_>well yeah, ssh -X shall work, but note that remote X apps can be painful
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06:08<mulbery>jm_: the reason my nemo method was os slow was because the files were getting rerouted through my local pc on the way, do you think the same thing might happen with a remote X app?
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07:03<jm_>mulbery: unlikely, it's just where the display would be
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07:30<mulbery>jm_: got remote X up and running and its doign what i want with good speeds too, thank you for the suggestion
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07:31<jm_>mulbery: no problem
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07:47<Guest2889>Hi guys. Is the a tool similiar to MX-snapshot (allows to create a live usb of your current configured system) for Debian? I just spend consderable amount to configure it how I ile it - would like to mae my own iso of it
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07:52<liquidsnake>hmm i don't know. i have mx on all of my machines
07:52<liquidsnake>timeshift is similar
07:53<liquidsnake>but it doesn't make a complete backup of your system into an ISO
07:53<liquidsnake>likemx snapshot
07:53<liquidsnake>mx
07:53<liquidsnake>its basically a backup restore point utility
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07:54<liquidsnake>thats one of the things that makes mx unique
07:54<Guest2889>yes I use timeshift - I would like to share my iso with couple of friends
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07:55<liquidsnake>not sure of you could run mx live from usb and run snapshot that way
07:55<liquidsnake>not sure if*
07:55<liquidsnake>you might want to ask in the forums
07:56<Guest2889>thanks, i might do that
07:56<Guest2889>or maybe there is a something that could generate a script on my fresh install to pull all the settings/apps?
07:57<liquidsnake>maybe
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07:57<Guest2889>and one more if that's ok. I'm running bullseye RC1 - will I be able to upgrade to 11 one day or is it fresh install required?
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07:58<jm_>have you looked at bootcd?
07:58<Guest2889>no I haven't, I have a look now
07:58<jm_>you should probably have no major issues upgrading to the final release
07:59<Guest2889>bootcd come up with alot of results - can you give more details please
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08:00<Guest2889>ultimate/hiren's (windows only i think))
08:00<jm_>apt-cache show bootcd
08:00<bremner>or just apt show bootcd
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08:00<bremner>welcome to 2021 :P
08:01<jm_>!info bootcd
08:01<dpkg>bootcd: (bootcd tools can copy a running or mounted Debian system.), section utils, is optional. Version: 6.4 (sid), Packaged size: 130 kB, Installed size: 374 kB
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08:04<Guest2889>thanks, I'm gonna give it a go
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09:36<carlisle>hello
09:38<user_>hi :)
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09:47<carlisle>Is it possible to get GNOME 40 on Debian 11?
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09:55<carlisle>Is it possible to get Gnome 40 on Debian 11?
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10:01<carlisle>hi
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10:08<jhutchins>carlisle: No.
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10:09<avu>well, for reasonable values of "no" :)
10:10<carlisle>thanks
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10:15<RedEagle>earlier my friend had filesystem error that prevented booting . (buster) .. i fixed it using live kalilinux cd with fsck commands finally with initramfs in shell .. my question is whether i could fix that without livecd ..by going to initramfs through grub commands ? i just checked it there is no initramsfs command available in grub..
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10:56<devicenull>any suggestions for working w/ puppet & apt? I'm hitting an issue where I'm trying to get puppet to upgrade libvirt-daemon and associated packages, but puppet is fairly dumb and is just trying to do `apt-get install libvirt-daemon`, which fails because it's dependencies aren't being upgraded as well. I had also tried creating a metapackage that lists all the related packages, but that still has the same problem `Depends:
10:56<devicenull>libvirt-daemon, libvirt-clients, libvirt-daemon-system, libvirt-daemon-driver-qemu`
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11:30<scorpion2185[m]>carlisle: I built it on bullseye
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13:22<Guest2909>?
13:22<Guest2909>help
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13:22<Guest2909>how do i
13:23<Guest2909>how do i set up a website url for apt ?
13:23<Guest2909>at the moment it keeps referring to DVD that I did the installation form
13:23<Guest2909>from
13:24<Sqrt{not}>Guest2909, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:24<Guest2909>is there a tool or syntax for creating entries in that file
13:24<Guest2909>many thanks by the way for that info
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13:25<Sqrt{not}>Guest2909, a text editor is enough. did you install debian 10 buster?
13:25<Guest2909>yes
13:25<Sqrt{not}>the robot will give you advice:
13:25<Sqrt{not}>dpkg: sources.list
13:25<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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13:26<sney>the command 'apt edit-sources' will launch the editor for you
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13:27<Sqrt{not}>you probably need: sudo apt edit-sources
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13:27<Guest2909>I have three lines
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13:28<Guest2909>eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20210327-10:3$ # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main contrib # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main contrib
13:29<Sqrt{not}>does your network work properly?
13:29<Guest2909>why have deb-src, deb cdrom and deb
13:29<Guest2909>yes in the sense that I am connected to the internet
13:30<Sqrt{not}>then put a # in the first character of the cdrom line, and make the other lines look like what dpkg told you
13:31<Guest2909>in the installer it gave me an option for an ftp site
13:31<Guest2909>ftp.debian.org
13:31<Guest2909>or something like that
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13:32<sney>ftp.debian.org is an alias for deb.debian.org. you might have seen a regional mirror, like ftp.us.debian.org or ftp.uk.debian.org or something like that
13:32<Guest2909>thanks
13:32<sney>but deb.debian.org is handled by a cdn so it will normally be the fastest. only use a different mirror if you have trouble with deb.debian.org.
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13:42<Sqrt{not}>Guest2909, for questions about e.g. "why deb-src" you can message the robot about the topics it suggested inside <> brackets, e.g. "/msg dpkg deb-src"
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13:43<Sqrt{not}>(depending what IRC client you use, the answers might come in a different window from this main chat)
13:43<Guest2909>is this the right syntax for sources.list ? deb ftp://deb.debian.org ?
13:44<sney>http, not ftp.
13:44<sney>!sources.list
13:44<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
13:44<sney>here, you can read this again
13:44<Guest2909>thanks
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14:00<Guest2909>Many thanks for all the help with sources.list
14:01<Guest2909>Has anyone installed debian using LVM's from the installer, when I select that option it always crashes out at the software installation phase
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14:10<somiaj>Guest2909: are you using the testing or stable installer?
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14:10<somiaj>many people intall debian and create LVMs jsut fine. I've done it to both create LVMs and install into existing LVMs.
14:10<Guest2909>Stable install
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14:21<jhutchins>Guest2909: Perhaps you should validate your installer iso.
14:21<Guest2909>thanks will do
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14:26<Sqrt{not}>Guest2909, also, it looks like from the "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify" comments you showed us, you had network problems during the install, which might interfere with some software installation
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16:04<Saturn>hi
16:04<Saturn>I need some help and for some reason I can't get a confirmation email to debian forums and can't contact admin as it says. Pretty cheeky.. Can I get help here or where do I go??? =(
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16:05<jhutchins>Saturn: What address are you trying to hit?
16:05<Saturn>I was on....http://forums.debian.net/
16:06<jhutchins>How long have you waited for the email?
16:06<Saturn>five minutes or so
16:07<jhutchins>Saturn: Give it a while longer, maybe 30 minutes.
16:07<Saturn>Alright, in the meantime, can I ask some questions? This has been bugging me since I got up hours ago, and I've tried so much stuff.....
16:07<jhutchins>Saturn: Are you running a personal mailserver or using a service.
16:07<Saturn>I have a couple debian boxes running pi hole.
16:07<jhutchins>That's what we're here for.
16:08<jhutchins>Debian or Raspian?
16:08<Saturn>so, I'm in the /etc/resolv.conf and it's giving me some bs injected by my ISP on one box, and quad 9 servers on the other...
16:08<Saturn>Debian, I have them on old laptops
16:08<Saturn>I will likely buy a couple more pis later though...
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16:08<Saturn>I have one but I'm using it for other stuff...
16:09<jhutchins>!resolv.conf
16:09<dpkg>/etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
16:09<Saturn>yeah, so... I did a few things already that iddn't persist after reboot
16:10<jhutchins>!override dns
16:10<dpkg>To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i
16:10<Saturn>yes, I did that supersede command already
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16:11<jhutchins>Saturn: Well, if it's not persisting then you missed something.
16:11<Saturn>trying to find all the stuff I did, make sense of it so I can type here. I have like three links
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16:13<cOOl>configuring in this file isnt persistent.. there are other ways to keep the Nameservers persistent.. but in my opinion and as i saw they keep persistent when you use the gnome network manager over xfce4.. thats my setup and they are alive after reboot.. im using on different maschines Debian stable, unstable and sid.
16:13<Saturn>Hmm,, I didn't do this yet. It's in the jhutch sent... With resolvconf installed, you can tell it to do nothing whenever some daemon tries to modify resolv.conf, by putting resolvconf=NO in the /etc/resolvconf.conf file.
16:14<Saturn>So, I just nano that and add it anywhere?
16:14<cOOl>do it in the network manager..
16:14<Saturn>how do I do that?
16:15<cOOl>right click your network manager, edit connection
16:15<Saturn>I'm doing this via ssh
16:15<cOOl>you have to do that setting for any interface that you use.. ah im sorry you are speaking from a server ?
16:15<Saturn>And I already edited the DNS that way, and it won't persist for some reason. I'm getting different results from both boxes too. Very frustrating.
16:16<Saturn>No, I'm just a dude with a few pcs on a network.
16:16<cOOl>like me :)
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16:17<Saturn># Generated by dhcpcd from enp4s0.dhcp
16:17<Saturn># /etc/resolv.conf.head can replace this line
16:17<Saturn>domain socal
16:17<Saturn>search socal rr com
16:17<Saturn>nameserver 192.168.0.107
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16:17<cOOl>on a vm or local installed server over shh i found a solution over the ubuntu comunity that worked here to.. had to google for the exact link
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16:18<cOOl>install dnstools
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16:18<Saturn>it kicked me...
16:18<cOOl>apt install dnstools
16:18<Saturn>That's what one of my config says, the other one has only two name servers
16:18<bandali>don't paste multiple lines in irc
16:18<cOOl>then do nslookup google.com .. what does it show aup
16:19<cOOl>they are some ways of persistent dns that make the resolv.conf stale and unused.. so to bes sure what ns you are using try that out
16:19<Saturn>unable to locate package dnstools?
16:19<Saturn>lol, what a day
16:20<cOOl>maybe my mistake
16:20<cOOl>wait i wil check what the exact packest was
16:21<Saturn>I ran update, it's working... And I've seen dnstools referenced before.. so...
16:21<cOOl>ok
16:21<Saturn>youmean dnsutils?
16:21<cOOl>yeah
16:21<cOOl>lol
16:22<cOOl>now a got it back
16:22<cOOl>yes
16:22<Saturn>already have that
16:22<Saturn>let me do ndlook
16:22<Saturn>ns
16:22<cOOl>nslookup example.com
16:22<cOOl>my outpu on this maschine is :
16:22<cOOl>python@linux:~/Desktop$ nslookup google.com
16:22<cOOl>Server: 8.8.8.8
16:22<cOOl>Address: 8.8.8.8#53
16:23<Saturn>server 192.168.0.107
16:23<Saturn>next is same port 53
16:23<Saturn>So it's going to the pi hole....
16:23<cOOl>yeah port is the default for dns
16:23<cOOl>hm...
16:23<cOOl>let me think a minute
16:23<Saturn>The problem is the ISP code is injected into the conf file like I posted before..
16:23<Saturn>kk
16:23<cOOl>is it a pure server
16:24<cOOl>or you have a gui?
16:24<Saturn>I have a gui if I open my laptop
16:24<Saturn>I just never do.. They're stacked and it's annoying.
16:24<cOOl>sudo apt install network-manager-gnome
16:25<Saturn>already installed. I think my other box is XFCE, but this one is gnome it seems
16:25<cOOl>i use them always on my xfce4 installs.. you just have to search a way to config them from terminal..
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16:26<cOOl>and every connection have to be setup separately..
16:26<Saturn>I edited /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf as well. Didn't work either...
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16:27<jhutchins>Saturn: Have you actually read https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf or are you using something else?
16:27<jhutchins>Saturn: I'm not entirely sure of the mechanism, but Network Manager could be doing something.
16:27<Saturn>Yes, that's one of four pages I'm looking at now...
16:28<jhutchins>Saturn: Do you run the DHCP server or are you pulling from your ISP?
16:28<Saturn>My router is supposed to do the DHCP, and I have it pointing to my pi-holes. I think my ISP has a transparent proxy. And it seems to inject code into one of my conf files but not the other.
16:28<Saturn>I have screenshots.
16:28<Saturn>I tried to paste but it booted me.
16:29<jhutchins>!paste
16:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
16:30<Saturn>https://ibb.co/KhTb5D8 and https://ibb.co/8Knd8yQ
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16:30<Saturn>I have, or think I have, the exact same code on each box. I set them up exactly the same and yet I get these differences. I edited three or four different files, added supersede, and did all kinds of other tweaks and this crap keeps coming back after reboot...
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16:32<Saturn>The only thing that seems promising, that I haven't tried is in the link jhutch sent. modify resolv.conf, by putting resolvconf=NO in the /etc/resolvconf.conf file So I just add that anywhere? And then will that fix it?
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16:35<Saturn>I want it to do nameserver 192.etc namserver 192.etc and nothing more. That way it will go through my unbound installs.
16:35<cOOl>i dont have it before my eyes.. but there was an way i have noted somewhere . im just searching
16:35<Saturn>thanx =)
16:35<cOOl>ah ok that is the static local ip of the maschine..
16:35<jhutchins>I don't have problems with it, but it should. I don't think systemd messes with resolv.conf. but Network Manager might, and if you're running a desktop on the system it's likely to be running NM.
16:35<cOOl>thats another thing
16:36<Saturn>The second screenshot is giving the Quad 9 servers. The first gives a whole bunch of BS -- injecting crap from my ISP. I'd like both to just give the local servers not Q9 or this ISP crap....
16:36<Saturn>Let me go see what is going on with the NM...
16:37<cOOl>what exactly is your goal.. change the public nameservers from your provider as example to alternatives like google 8.8.8.8 or cloudflare 1.1.1.1 or do you want change the local ips of your maschines.. to static .examp 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.5..?
16:38<Saturn>I want it to go to local ips on my machines. If that fails any tests like DNSSEC, etc, I'd like to just go with Q9.
16:39<Saturn>So, on my laptop that references Q9 servers, the NM has no DNS entries.... That's interesting.
16:39<cOOl>ok that what you see in resolv.conf have nothing to do with the local ips
16:39<Saturn>So, I suspect I'll find that I have my local machines in NM on the other machine. I'll confirm...
16:39<cOOl>are you using bridges over another maschine ?
16:40<Saturn>I don't think so... Just unbound and pi hole.
16:40<Saturn>This is nuts. I cannot login via gui but I can via ssh. This machine is really stupid....
16:41<Saturn>I logged in the gui for one machine, but cannot for the other. wtf....
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16:42<cOOl>what if you try to change the public dns of your host maschine ? what is the output for the vm/guest when you do nslookup something.com
16:42<Saturn>I'm in these machines via ssh now, they are the hosts.
16:43<Saturn>I'm in the gui in one as well.
16:43<Saturn>Can't log on the other.... I sshed in from two different machines though, so if I log out... idk
16:43<cOOl>and they are connectet all separately tho the internet/ modem
16:43<cOOl>?
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16:44<Saturn>okay, I'm in....
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16:44<Saturn>Na, only one modem. All connected to router...
16:44<Saturn>hang on while I check nm in this box through gui
16:45<Saturn>same thing.. no entries in DNS...
16:45<cOOl>so you should be able to give every singel maschine a proper static ip over ssh
16:45<Saturn>So, if I put the DNS servers in NM will they override all this other BS?
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16:45<Saturn>yeah, they all have static IP from the router.
16:45<cOOl>ps have nothing to do with the resolv.conf file
16:45<cOOl>ok
16:45<Saturn>Otherwise this would never work lol.... DNS woudl change all the time.
16:46<cOOl>the ip shown in resolv conf is also an local ip but only lead you to the router who route you then trough the dns from your ISP
16:46<Saturn>okay, but I want it to only read whatever IPs I put into it. How can I do that?
16:47<Saturn>I don't want my ISP's transparent proxy. I want it to only go where I send it.
16:47<jhutchins>cOOl: A good router should let you reserve an IP to a MAC, it's a good way to manage them.
16:47<cOOl>The public DNS you have to set in every maschine,, separately.. and the statics to
16:47<Saturn>I don't want to see their code, their IP, or their BS in my files...
16:47<cOOl>jhutchins:
16:47<Saturn>Yeah, I have my IPs reserved.
16:47<cOOl>you are right with that mostly
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16:48<cOOl>jhutchins here in Belgium the main ISP dont let you anymore into the router to configure that out
16:48<Saturn>hmmm
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16:48<jhutchins>cOOl: It depends. Some routrs allow you to configure the DHCP DNS.
16:48<Saturn>what if I set them to 127.0.0.1 ?
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16:48<cOOl>every maschine have to be set manualy
16:48<Saturn>These both have unbound servers on them....
16:48<Saturn>So they would resolve themselves right?
16:49<Saturn>So, go into NM on desktop and put in 127.0.0.1 and then the server for the other pi hole?
16:49<Saturn>or just each local IP?
16:49<cOOl>jhutchins, yes you are again right.. but i spoke from the default router that i have as examp from ISP
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16:50<cOOl>yes Saturn:
16:50<cOOl>you have to set manualy every maschine static.. first
16:50<jhutchins>cOOl: I can't configure mine, but I'm happy with what it gives me.
16:51<cOOl>in ssh or via the maschine
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16:51<Saturn>So, you mean to make sure each machine has a static IP on the network?
16:51<Saturn>I did that in the router, and the IP does not change when I reboot.
16:51<jhutchins>Saturn: Reserving should be fine.
16:51<cOOl>jhutchins im using the bbox3 , its an sagecom modem and the default ISP'S Router
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16:51<cOOl>here in Belgium
16:52<Saturn>My problem is that I'm not getting the nameservers in resolv.conf that I want to see.
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16:52<Saturn>And I have the same settings on two machines with two different resolve.conf files. I want to just edit the file so that it stays the same when I reboot and doesn't do all this crazy crap.
16:52<cOOl>the admin acc is disabled and routing another public dns inst possible.. only when you config every singel maschine itselfs
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16:52<Saturn>I haven't already done that?
16:52<cOOl>Saturn: clearly it will be the same ip always
16:53<cOOl>in resolv.conf
16:53<cOOl>your static ip from every maschine have nothing to do with that file
16:53<Saturn>yes, I'm there, and posted my screenshots... What is modifying my resolve.conf?
16:53<Saturn>https://ibb.co/KhTb5D8 and https://ibb.co/8Knd8yQ
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16:53<cOOl>that ip in this file is only the ip that is used localy for all maschines to route over the public dns to the router
16:53<jhutchins>Saturn: Either resolvconf or Network Manager.
16:54<Saturn>network manager is empty for DNS on both machines...
16:54<cOOl>so you should set them
16:54<cOOl>python@linux:~/Desktop$ nslookup google.com
16:54<cOOl>Server: 8.8.8.8
16:54<cOOl>Address: 8.8.8.8#53
16:54<cOOl>Non-authoritative answer:
16:54<cOOl>Name: google.com
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16:57<Saturn>alright, I'm editing the NM on this one machine and rebooting.. I did localhost and then the other pie hole after comma...
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16:58<Saturn>That didn't do anything...
16:59<cOOl>https://paste.pics/3548f3bbda89f3339110a964aad4051f
16:59<Saturn>yeah, no change after doing that.
16:59<Saturn>same conf file.
16:59<cOOl>thats the setup i use for a static dns public
17:00<cOOl>but for static ip local you should edit
17:00<jhutchins>Saturn: I'm out of ideas, maybe someone else will know something.
17:00<Saturn>I tried that, rebooted, and nanoed again and conf is same
17:00<Saturn>And I still don't understand why the two different conf files...
17:00<cOOl>it ist working now ?
17:00<Saturn>Still the same conf file as it was...
17:01<cOOl>the conf files are used to be for different softwares
17:01<Saturn>That's fine. I want them to have the hostnames that I want, not the other ones.
17:01<Saturn>I want to edit these.
17:01<cOOl>but if is a stale file that have no influence on your system and is only if you should use once another software..?
17:02<Saturn>I've done gone through four different tutorials on this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1280277/how-to-change-dns-server-permanently-on-ubuntu-20-04 https://kifarunix.com/make-permanent-dns-changes-on-resolv-conf-in-linux/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dhcpcd https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
17:02<cOOl>there are files on your system that are only edited by software..
17:02<Saturn>Maybe I'm crazy. I have no own reasons. I want to edit these. I should be able to do that. How do I do it?
17:03<cOOl>that i also found ou once
17:03<cOOl>in ubuntu forums
17:03<cOOl>was for 18.04
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17:03<cOOl>but i dont want to suggest ubuntu things here for not bad interpreting by others
17:03<Saturn>And why do I get two completely different conf files with the same settings anyway? None of this makes sense...
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17:04<Saturn>Maybe I just need to try a different distro. Ubuntu crashed too often so I started debian. Now debian isn't making sense either.
17:04<cOOl>you can install resolv.conf software
17:04<cOOl>as example in ubuntu
17:04<cOOl>then change the settings and make it manual
17:04<cOOl>but!!!
17:04<cOOl>it can break your system by upgrading
17:05<cOOl>what is important is not what is in a stale file is writen,
17:05<cOOl> important is what your real settings are
17:05<Saturn>https://www.ricmedia.com/set-permanent-dns-nameservers-ubuntu-debian-resolv-conf/
17:05<Saturn>this one?
17:05<cOOl>as example in my description with nslookup examp.com
17:06<Saturn>AH, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
17:06<Saturn>That was referenced in the file as well....
17:06<cOOl>yeah that is something this way yes
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17:06<cOOl>worked until i upgraded from ub 18.04 to 10.04..
17:07<cOOl>the end was near .. not to fix.. no connex
17:07<Saturn>hmmm
17:07<Saturn>So, if I upgrade my distro, I could lose everything....
17:08<Saturn>Is there a version of Linux that just works correctly without all these problems?
17:08<cOOl>im building two own debian based distros at moment, working on both now 2 years.. and of this reason i leafe the network thing by its defaults..
17:08<jhutchins>Saturn: Debian works great for a whole lot of people.
17:08<cOOl>yeah.. jhutchins you are absolutely right
17:09<Saturn>That's fine, right now, it's not working for me. So, is there something that works for those of us that debian isn't working for that you know of?
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17:09<jhutchins>Saturn: There is something odd about your system, although I've run out of things to check. Not blaming you, just saying Debian in general works.
17:09<Saturn>Oh, I'm sure my system is odd. ASUS sucks. Everything I ever bought from them that wasn't a motherboard was trash.
17:10<cOOl>im 20 years on linux now.. the first ten on ubuntu and the last ten on Debian.. debian is pure but dont sreews up.. everything is working and/or configurable.. just with the right understanding of the things
17:10<Saturn>But, I'm also getting this odd behaivor on my HP laptop.
17:10<Saturn>Just without the ISP bs....
17:10<Saturn>So, something in debian is not working if BOTH pcs are booting and reverting....
17:10<Saturn>And I'm getting different conf files in both with same settings lol
17:10<cOOl>jhutchins: yes for me to.. everything always work.. with Debian the less problems in comparision to other derivates
17:10<Saturn>And, yes, maybe it works for everyone in the world but me. So, how can I fix it? If I can't, what else can I use?
17:12<cOOl>Saturn: nothing against you dude. in the same way we all did it.. trying, leraning, reading, doing...etc.. linux is never ready.. it is rolling. and i love it
17:12<Saturn>Well, thank you for your help.
17:12<cOOl>yeah
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17:12<Saturn>Maybe this distro is not for me. I'll buy a couple raspberry pis, see if I can get those working better or the same and then I'll try new distros and migrate when I can.
17:13<cOOl>i thank you for activating ,my grey cells a bit again about resolve.. XD
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17:13<cOOl>me, im building distros on debian base for severla reasons
17:13<cOOl>why, cause debian is pure, and it is in fact configured at the best..
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17:14<Saturn>That's fine, but if it can't do what I want it to do then what good is it to me?
17:14<cOOl>it is always possible
17:14<cOOl>to do anything
17:14<Saturn>That's why I tried to sign up for the forums and came here, but seems nothing I do changes it.
17:14<Saturn>So, either I can't work with this distro or this distro doesn't work.
17:14<cOOl>i never had the case that somethjing dont worked at the end with debian.
17:15<cOOl>in other dits i had that..
17:15<Sqrt{not}>Saturn, it can do what you want. I suggest take a walk, cool off, come back and look at some log files
17:15<Saturn>what log files will help me resolve this?
17:15<cOOl>i had sleepless nights i had bad moments, yes
17:15<cOOl>but! in the end it was always an solution
17:15<cOOl>;)
17:15<Saturn>Yeah, well, I know how that feels. Even my government feels like a linux project these days.
17:16<Saturn>But, what logs will help me resolve this??
17:16<cOOl>i did things in debian that are still impossible in win and any other distro,, maybe not fedora.. fedora is great i was told but im not familar with it
17:17<Sqrt{not}>why do both of your screen shots say that the file is created by dhcpcd ? (and sometimes the best solutions for a vexing problem come from that aha! moment in a dream, or when you are just starting to wake up.
17:17<Saturn>That's a good question... And I edited the dhcpcd.conf as well...
17:17<Saturn>DIdn't work.
17:17<cOOl>blacklisting it? maybe
17:17<cOOl>there was something im not more sure atm
17:18<Saturn>I did the supersede command presented here: https://kifarunix.com/make-permanent-dns-changes-on-resolv-conf-in-linux/
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17:19<Saturn>Did some execstart hacks here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dhcpcd
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17:19<cOOl>at moment im on my external ssd hard drive.. here i run xfce, with gnome-network-manager if i change static ip in this/set it tomanual it works, it is persistent.. the same for the public dns..
17:19<Saturn>And I did this on both machines, and still reverted to screenshot....
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17:21<Saturn>wait...
17:21<Saturn>static domain_name_servers=192.168.0.1 8.8.8.8
17:21<Saturn>that line is missing....
17:21<Saturn>oh no, had to scroll
17:22<Saturn>hmmm
17:22<Saturn>let me check the other machine...
17:22<Saturn>They both read the same!
17:22<Saturn>They have 9.9.etc... But two different conf files!!1
17:22<Saturn>wtf?
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17:24<Saturn>both files have same static ip, static routers, and static domain name...
17:24<Saturn>With different results...
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17:25<Saturn>How can I look at the log files for this?
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17:28<Saturn>lol and debian forums still hasn't sent my confirmation email....
17:29<Saturn>thanx guys. maybe I'll stick with debian or change to something else. idk So far, this isn't working for me
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18:54<Saturn>Alright, I took a walk and came back to look at this again...
18:56<Saturn>why can't I type?
18:56<Saturn>ah, ok
18:56<Saturn>So, I try to edit the /etc/dhcpcd.conf to read the name servers that I want. Yet, I still get extra information from my ISP that I do not want.
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18:59<ac_laptop>hello people, any ikiwiki experts here ? Has anybody tried to setup an ikiwiki with LDAP authentication ?
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19:08<bremner>ac_laptop: I see you found #ikiwiki. That's probably your best bet; or asking on ikiwiki.branchable.com
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19:08<bremner>my own use of ikiwiki is purely static
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19:16<ac_laptop>bremner: thanks for the answer, I guess I'll try the forums then
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19:43<Saturn>I can't even register for the forums. It hasn't sent me a confirmation email yet. Been hours.
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19:44<Saturn>I wasn't "blacklisted"; I know because I tried to register again with tempmail since my email address doesn't seem to get whatever they send. And no email for the admin either.
19:44<Saturn>So, how are we supposed to contact the administrator then?
19:46<ac_laptop>Saturn: are you talking about ikiwiki or something else ?
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19:52<Saturn>I am trying to figure out a problem with my machine. I can't even log into the debian forums because it won't send the confirmation link (I've waited hours) and I see no admin email anywhere on the site nor does a whois give one.
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20:05<bremner>Saturn: I'd suggest the debian-user mailing list if you can't get help here
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20:09<Saturn>Do you know which list is best?
20:10<bremner>yes, the one called debian-user is intended for the same support purpose as this channel
20:11<bremner>but of course it's a different group of people.
20:14<Saturn>Thanx! Joined debian-user@lists.debian.org
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21:03<MarkTVI>Hi everHi everybody
21:06<Sqrt{not}>Hi Mark
21:09<MarkTVI>I am new in this community and I would like to ask you guys how to set up my wireless card , currently I have Kali Linux running onn a VM virtual box to be specific
21:09<sney>you may have gotten lost on the way to the right community
21:10<sney>either way, you are in a bad spot, because a) Kali is not for newbies, and the kali channel will probably not help you set up wifi and 2) in #debian we only support debian
21:11<MarkTVI>Oh I see, I appreciate your information anyways, thanks a lot
21:11<sney>!kali
21:11<dpkg>Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
21:12<Sqrt{not}>MarkTVI, what is the host for the VM, what OS is it running?
21:12<MarkTVI>The host is Windows 10
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21:13<Sqrt{not}>would not the host handle the icky details of the wireless card, and just pass it through to the VM ?
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21:14<MarkTVI>In this case it is not doing it
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21:15<MarkTVI>when I installed Kali, it asked me to install those additional drivers later
21:15<Sqrt{not}>OK, sorry. we have enough trouble dealing with debian problems,,,, no idea about windows+kali weirdness
21:16<MarkTVI>lol no worries I totally understand, I will try to look for help in the Kali channel
21:16<MarkTVI>Windoze is weird enough xD
21:16<sarnold>I wouldn't be shocked if they send you to a windows or a virtualbox channel, to figure out how to do the PCI unbinding in the host and pass through the device to the guest
21:17<sney>yes, you might want to go straight to #vbox on freenode (note right now you are on OFTC)
21:17<sarnold>my guess is most kali folks install it directly onto hardware, so the funny wifi tools can do their funny things :)
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21:22<twb>There's no /etc/services.d/foo.conf right?
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21:23<MarkTVI>I will check on that guys
21:24<MarkTVI>thanks to everyone for the help and info
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21:25<sarnold>twb: I've never seen one anyway
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21:52<Saturn>So, I'm doing a fresh install on an old laptop with unbound and pihole.. I am STILL getting this BS from dhcpch.conf...
21:52<Saturn>It doesn't make any sense.
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21:53<twb>Saturn: did you mean dhcpcd.conf ?
21:53<Saturn>yes
21:53<twb>just use networkd, it's already installed
21:54<Saturn>I'm not sure how to do that...
21:54<Saturn>Can you help me?
21:54<twb>sure
21:54<twb>This is just a bog-standard DHCPv4/v6 client you want?
21:55<Saturn>I want this thing to reference either Quad9 servers or my boxes on my network for DNS requests, and it's injecting BS from my ISP...
21:55<somiaj>and you are sure you are using dhcpcd and not dhclient? Also do you have resolvconf or openresolv installed?
21:55<Saturn>resolvconf
21:56<Saturn>I think... the file that's creating the problem is resolv.conf
21:56<Saturn>first line in resolv.conf says "# Generated by dhcpcd from wlan0.dhcp"
21:56<twb>I'm not actually sure offhand how to do link-local DNS *priorities*
21:57<somiaj>I missed your orignial problem, is it your resolv.conf is getting different than you want?
21:57<somiaj>if you ahve resolvconf installed you can use that to control resolv.conf and just ignore dhcpcd
21:57<twb>somiaj: good catch
21:57<Saturn>How do I do that?
21:58<Saturn>I installed it on a box earlier, edited the file, nothing happened, I uninstalled. But, that was on one of the other two systems I was working on. I have three I'm messing with right now...
21:58<Saturn>One of them gives Q9 servers, which is okay but better if local. The other two are giving ISP BS, including the one I just did the install on....
21:59<somiaj>I don't know the details of configuring resolvconf off the top of my head, but there are config files in /etc you can use to allow/disallow/control what can write to resolv.conf
21:59<twb>Saturn: WTF is Q9
21:59<sarnold>9.9.9.9
21:59<Saturn>Yeah, I did that manually with nano. DIdn't work cause dhcpcd overwrites it, but when I edited dhcpcd, it gives me servers that aren't even in the conf file, which was empty anyway until I updated it!
21:59<Saturn>So where was it even pulling this BS from??? lol
21:59<Saturn>Quad 9 DNS servers
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22:00<twb>So 9.9.9.9 is just some rando company's public DNS caching proxy?
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22:01<Saturn>Yeah, I know it's ridiculous. What I want is to be able to put the addresses for my local boxes that have recursive DNS servers on them. The rando company is better than my ISP transparent proxy but neither is acceptable.
22:01<somiaj>look into the resolvconf docs, you can use to to control resolv.conf
22:02<Saturn>Anyway, I got the rando company on one box -- no idea where it came from. And I have the ISP on the other two. Rando company > ISP and what I want > rando company.
22:02<Saturn>Yeah, here right? https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
22:02<Saturn>So I did all that and nothing helped....
22:03<Saturn>I've been working on this for almost 12 hours now.
22:03<rauns>I just upgraded from jessie to stretch, and exim is refusing all inbound mail with "relay not permitted". Was working fine before the upgrade. Local hobbyist - server is behind a router, router is configured to pass mail through. Local IP is 192.168.0.100, domain is fireopal.org
22:04<twb>rauns: "relay not permitted" means it thinks the client is a spammer
22:04<rauns>Assuming I get this working, plan is to upgrade to buster tomorrow.
22:05<sarnold>twb: they partnered with ibm, packetclearinghouse, to filter out malicious IPs from their 'usual' 9.9.9.9 service, enforce dnsssec on another address, and provide unfiltered responses on yet another address
22:05<twb>rauns: I don't know exim, but on postfix there are 2 ways to solve that. The *good* way is to create machine accounts for every server that needs to send panic email, give them the passwords, and then trust nobody
22:05<rauns>My local system is apparently thinking *all* incoming mail is spam! Outbound it working find.
22:05<twb>rauns: the way everybody actually does it is to say "assume everyone in 192.168.0.0/16 is trusted"
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22:05<twb>rauns: is the incoming mail from the internet for you@yourdomain, or is it from local servers to rando@gmail.com ?
22:06<Saturn>hmm
22:06<Saturn>It actually did something on this box!!!!
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22:06<twb>sarnold: AFAICT dnssec is a total failure and de facto everything will just switch to DOT
22:07<Saturn>So, now it's giving me nameserver 127.0.0.1! That's good, but.... another problem...
22:07<Saturn>After that, it's giving me the line search soclall rr com
22:07<Saturn>I don't want that. It's ISP bs.. How do I kill it?
22:07<twb>Saturn: edit resolvconf.conf I guess?
22:07<Saturn>I did that....
22:07<Saturn>Nothing in there points to socall rr
22:07<Saturn>socal rr
22:08<twb>Saturn: I use systemd-resolved instead so I don't know how to fix this legacy-style setup
22:08<Saturn>it literally only says resolvconf=NO
22:08<twb>(And I don't know how to hook pihole into resolved)
22:08<rauns>twb - maybe I'm being unclear. For a specific example - I have gmail account that I'm using to test inbound mail. exim mainlog says "2021-05-03 21:07:04 H=mail-io1-f50.google.com [209.85.166.50] F=<fyreopal@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <sraun@fireopal.org>: relay not permitted
22:08<rauns>" for mail from that account.
22:09<twb>rauns: OK so it sounds like a gmail server is connecting to your MTA and saying "hi I have soem mail for @fireopal.org" and your MTA says "I've never heard of any fireopal, so piss off"
22:09<twb>rauns: in postfix that would be mydomains=
22:10<twb>rauns: I notice you have "fyreopal" in one place and "fireopal" in another -- is this a simple typo?
22:10<rauns>fyreopal is the gmail username. someone beat me to fireopal. fireopal.org is the domain I'm trying to receive mail for.
22:11<twb>rauns: does your exim believe it is the final destination for *@fireopal.org ?
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22:11<rauns>update-exim4.conf.conf has primary_hostname='fireopal.org'
22:11<rauns> - does that help?
22:12<twb>I don't know, I don't do exim4
22:12<Saturn>Thank you for your help anyway.
22:12<rauns>I'm fairly certain I have an exim4 config problem, and the references I'm finding are not helping. :(
22:13<twb>http://ix.io/3lJr --- problem is definitely that exim4 doesn't believe it is responsible for @fireopal.org
22:13<sarnold>how wedded are you to exim4? postfix is popular
22:17<rauns>I've been using exim for ... decades. Am I wedded to it? Not especially. I *had* a perfectly functional exim4+mailman system four hours ago. I've forgotten exactly how I configured mailman to talk nicely to exim. There was a trick so I didn't have to set up aliases for all my mailing lists.
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22:19<Saturn>Ah, you know what, thank you guys for the help now and earlier. It's not perfect, but it's working better than it was!!!
22:20<Saturn>I finally got resolvconf working. I thought I had it installed on the other box, but I got my boxes mixed up. Installing it didn't do exactly what I want, but it got rid of most of the garbage AND put the garbage after my localhost. So big improvement! THANK YOU!!!!
22:20<twb>rauns: do you use etckeeper?
22:20<rauns>No.
22:20<twb>ouch
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22:21<rauns>my exim conf file wasn't changed by the upgrade. I suspect my problem is there somewhere - I'm assuming something *should* have changed, but didn't.
22:22<sarnold>heh, okay, decades of famliliarity is definitely worth something
22:22<sarnold>I just thought if this was a brand new setup and you didn't have much invested into it, postfix is right there.. hehe :)
22:23<twb>rauns: if you suspect that then you should check /usr/share/doc/exim4*/debian.NEWS and similar
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22:25<Saturn>If I'm ever as knowledgeable as you guys, I'll spend some time trying to help others too.
22:25<Saturn>I can help folks with windoze but I'm an idiot on linux mostly
22:25<sney>idling in places like this and helping others is a great way to learn a lot
22:26<sarnold>yup
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22:31<somiaj>Yea, I don't know what I'm doing most the time, but I keep trying (:
22:32<sarnold>:)
22:39<twb>somiaj: it's OK. I don't know what you're doing either!
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