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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-05-05

---Logopened Wed May 05 00:00:31 2021
00:02-!-bclub1378 [~alex@pool-71-186-216-93.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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00:10-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:14-!-diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian
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00:57-!-Javi is "Javier" on #debian #debian-es
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01:04-!-ggoes is "Greg Farough" on #debian
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01:34-!-sorcerer is "nerds 4 life" on #debian-nerds #moocows #debian
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01:40-!-ach is "ZNC - https://znc.in" on @#spooky #debian
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01:43-!-Ericounet is "realname" on #freedombox #debian
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01:48-!-freshtube_ is "realname" on #debian #redditprivacy
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01:57-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #qemu #virt #debian-qemu #debian
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02:23-!-freshtube_ is now known as freshtube
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02:26-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian #debian-devel-changes
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03:02-!-chomwitt is "realname" on #debian #debian-games #debian-social #debian-xfce #openstreetmap #qemu
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03:10-!-sekai is "nekohasekai" on @#nekohasekai #debian
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03:21-!-texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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03:37-!-Edhil is "One of the last" on #debian
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03:46-!-voyager1 is "user" on #debian
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04:02-!-netvor is "amahdal" on #debian
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04:02-!-PARDUS is "realname" on #debian
04:02<PARDUS>sa
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04:07-!-prg is "prg" on #doom64ex #debian-next #debian ##superbothangout
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04:14-!-system-broke-222 is "Herbas Vardas" on #debian #mobian #debian-next
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04:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 670] by debhelper
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04:23-!-gtristan is "Tristan van Berkom" on #debian-next #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian
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04:27-!-petervbeck is "Peter V. Beck" on #packaging #debian
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04:47-!-aby is "Aby" on #debian
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04:57<fafi>hy everybody
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04:59-!-pamaury is "Amaury Pouly" on #debian-next #oftc #debian
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05:03-!-Roman3349 is "Roman3349" on #debian-sponsors #packaging #debian
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05:05-!-alien1it is "Alien" on #debian
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05:08-!-zem is "Marvin" on #debian #ceph #debian-next
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05:34-!-irietux is "realname" on #debian
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05:36-!-Brigo is "realname" on #debian #debian-es #debian-next #debian-offtopic
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05:53-!-svedrin is "Michael Ziegler,,," on #debian
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06:10<lorenzo>irc://irc.rizon.net:6667/ELITEWAREZ
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06:11-!-lorenzo is "Your Name" on #debian
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06:24-!-mode/#debian [+q lorenzo!*@*] by bremner
06:25-!-lorenzo was kicked from #debian by bremner [that sure looks like spam]
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06:38-!-diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian
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06:42-!-jelly is "Zoran Dzelajlija" on #debian
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06:45-!-Javi is "Javier" on #debian #debian-es
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07:03<Anarka>random question, are there alternatives to rs-232 console ? like over usb ?
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07:06<ullbeking>if I do apt-get remove or apt-get purge, does this mark the package in some special way? for example, if I manually specify a package to install, then it marks as something that the user specifically wants on the system, as opposed to a package that is only there because it's fulfilling a dependency.
07:07<ullbeking>can i apt-get remove/purge WITHOUT having the apt/dpkg database marking those packages as pkgs that I specifically do NOT want on my system?
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07:08<bluca>does the gnome top-right drop-down system menu (the one with audio control, network, reboot button, etc) have a specific name?
07:09<bluca>it's getting frozen (can still click on buttons) but googling for the issue is a pain without the specific name
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07:13<bradfa>Anarka: sure, you can use the USB CDC profile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_communications_device_class to have a serial console over a USB connection
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07:15<bradfa>Anarka: if you have a Linux system which has USB device capability you can spawn the device-side of a serial connection using normal Linux kernel modules and then when the host side of the USB connection is connected the host will see the serial device enumerate and you can open it using normal serial console tools on the USB host.
07:16<Anarka>bradfa: thanks! so in that case a regular usb cable would do ?
07:17<Anarka>maybe not :)
07:17<bradfa>Anarka: there are many "regular" USB cables. The key is that you have a cable which can properly connect your USB device and your USB host. A normal USB A-B cable will work, so long as your USB device has a USB B connection on it. Similarly, a USB A-microB cable might be needed if your USB device has a micro B (or micro A/B) connection on it
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07:18<Anarka>bradfa: thank you! i have something to look into now
07:19<bradfa>Anarka: you're welcome, good luck! :)
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09:14<onionsolo>Hello, why proxychains didn't worl
09:14<onionsolo>Work
09:15<onionsolo>i use for example, sudo proxychains hexchat, but it didn't work
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09:47<PaulePanter>Hi. Is there a way for an unprivileged user (besides running inside a VM) to install Debian into a QEMU VM image file?
09:48<PaulePanter>Into a directory probably won’t work even with fakeroot, as setguid stuff and so on, would break the security model.
09:50<somiaj>Is your goal to have an unprivileged user install vms?
09:50<somiaj>libvirt has a group setup so anyone in the group can create/install/manage vms, but you have to be in the proper group.
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09:54<faran>any Idea about https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/648007/cant-login-with-normal-user-with-gui
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09:59<blast007>faran: Which version of Debian? What changed between when it worked and when it didn't?
10:00<somiaj>to me a fix would be backup your $HOME, delete the bad user, create a new user that doesn't have this problem. Copy back over your configurations that you need, regenerate the ones you don't.
10:00<somiaj>This may not track down what exactly about that user is broken, but it should get you back up and working.
10:04<faran>its debian buster. I tried to install rust as a dependency and because of installing problem I delete it. and a restart and it didnt work. I checked my filesystem changes there was nothing deleted that kind of relate to this problem.
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10:18<PaulePanter>somiaj: Yes, that is the goal.
10:19<PaulePanter>somiaj: Do you know what rights the group gives, and what security issues arrive from it?
10:19<somiaj>PaulePanter: I would use libvirt, and add your user to the proper group, and from there you can use either virsh (comandline tool) or virtmanager (gui)
10:19<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/libvirt -- group is just 'libvirt'
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10:20<somiaj>libvirt is fairly popular, so I suspect there aren't any issues other than it means anyone who can compermise your user does get access to all your user has access to
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10:25<somiaj>not libvirt does get CVEs now and then, but they will be fixed by the seucrity team, so I guess I should say known issues vs any issues
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10:47<jimpop>is there a curses cmd that will show startup process and the order/dependencies/etc.?
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10:52<somiaj>jimpop: systemctl list-dependencies -- would that show you the info you want?
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10:52<somiaj>there is also systemd-analyze plot > startup.svg if you want a full tree
10:53<jimpop>thanks! is there also a non-systemd cmd?
10:54<somiaj>though guess the plot gives you more the time a system started, and not really a tree
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10:54<somiaj>jimpop: well since systemd is the thing that controls the dependencies on debian, anything would end up using systemd.
10:54<somiaj>if you are using sysvinit or some other init system, you'll have to look into their tools
10:55<jimpop>right, I'm here asking about both. thanks for the systemd solution.
10:55<somiaj>systvinit doesn't use dependecies like that, you could look in /etc/rc?.d to see the order of the links, which lists the order the startup scripts are run
10:55<jimpop>yep
10:55<somiaj>unsure of any tool that orginizes this outside of just looking at the links
10:56<jimpop>i currently do that, but would like to get a tree view output
10:56<jimpop>thx again
10:56<somiaj>the idea of a tree in sysvinit doesn't really exist, scripts are run in an order, the order the links are listed is the order of startup
10:57<somiaj>of course there is a little of swithcing runmodes, but still, it is just run these scripts in this order.
10:57<jimpop>right, i'm looking for something that would show/reveal dependencies (Required-Start, etc)
10:58<jimpop>i know i can grep/sed/bash it, but I was wondering if something already existed
10:59<somiaj>afiak those are just used by update-rc.d to determine where to create a link
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10:59<somiaj>do you ahve lots of debian machines not using systemd? Due to the recent vote debian is going with systemd as the primary init system.
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11:03<jimpop>debian is not giving up on sysvinit.
11:03<jimpop>what vote are you referring to?
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11:07<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 -- "Systemd but we support exploring alternatives"
11:08<jimpop>that's not recent lol
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11:08<somiaj>not giving up on systvinit, but also not directly supporting it, outside of services having to systemd unit files, other init systems support will vary.
11:08<somiaj>I guess to me it still is, I move slowly
11:08<jimpop>thanks for your help somiaj, I'll stick around to see if anyone else has an idea for curses output of sysvinit startup order.
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11:21<jhutchins>Doesn't systemd have a mechanism to run sysv init files if there isn'tt a corresponding service file?
11:23<petn-randall>jhutchins: yes, it has.
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12:01<redbrass>I'm using sudo inside a long running script. The credential cache period expires during a couple of the steps causing my script to stop and wait for password entry. Is there a way to extend that cache period? I don't want to run the script as a priveledged user, but some steps within the script need root permissions.
12:02<redbrass>(debootstrap, building up file systems, compiling kernel, creating initramfs images, etc.)
12:03<sney>if it's only specific commands, you can make an entry in sudoers for a specific account to run only those commands passwordless
12:04<redbrass>hmm. My script will be run on multiple user's desktops (our devs). So seems a little maintenance heavy. Maybe if my script updated the sudoers itself when needed? But that seems not quite right either.
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12:05<sney>you can assign it to a group instead of a single account
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12:09<redbrass>I'll explore that option. I'm not sure if there is a common group we can use. However, creating one might be an option.
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12:10<redbrass>Are there any other options? I thought about doing a "sudo NOOP" type thing at the start of each step, but compiling the kernel can take 30+minutes on it's own, so the no-op option wouldn't work either.
12:16<Fraggle2>redbrass: just out of curiousity: In which scenario do you have to recompile the kernel every time? :-O
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12:18<sney>you can have your script store the password as a variable and pass it to sudo when needed, with -S
12:19<redbrass>My script builds the USB "installer" image for our custom hardware. We usually only need to do this once every six months or so, but when we do build this installer, we need EVERYTHING run. Devs need to run this more often to check their changes locally.
12:19<sney>but tbh, a group with its own sudoers entry is probably the least headache-y way to implement this
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12:20<petn-randall>redbrass: Have you considered using ansible for task execution? It can also cache root credentials when needed.
12:21<redbrass>sney: thanks. I knew there would be multiple ways. I'm sure you are correct regarding the group
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12:22<redbrass>petn-randall: we use ansible in other ways. I'm not sure it would be suitable for our setup process here - but might be an option to explore.
12:23<petn-randall>redbrass: It would at least remove the headache with sudo permissions not being cached long enough. The other benefit is that failure conditions are easier to handle than with shell scripts.
12:23<redbrass>Fraggle2: the devs have the option to only run the parts of the build steps needed in their use case, so they may opt to skip rebuilding the kernel. But that is not the only lengthy process (compressing a full file system or two takes time too)
12:24<redbrass>petn-randall: I think we are moving in that direction. My task is to replace an existing python script that does the work and update it to be more maintainable and use "modern" approaches. We use Podman containers to build up the various file systems we need, but realize this is probably not the best use case for Podman.
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12:26<redbrass>We will likely be looking at a dedicated VM in the future where all the commands can just be run as root. That has its own issues too though - i.e. making sure all devs have the same version of that vm, compilers, build tools, etc.
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12:27<jhutchins>Start your script with a version check.
12:29<redbrass>I've started with that type of code - I have a "requirements" check to make sure the needed packages are available. We'll need to determine which tools matter for versioning - the gcc compiler probably matters, but the version of other tools may not.
12:30<redbrass>lol.. is there an "npm" equivalent for bash?? That could handle the versioning issues..
12:31<redbrass>Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have some avenues to explore...
12:31<petn-randall>redbrass: For one of my last contracts I used chef for provisioning the VM, which were the same cookbooks used for staging/production. It has the advantage that the testing env doesn't deviate much from production.
12:31<petn-randall>The same setup is also possible with ansible, which is a little less heavy.
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12:35<redbrass>My ansible skills are not strong (yet). That is in the near future though - we use ansible to validate that the built systems are running properly, and I'll have to use that to create an automated testing process. (fire up a VM, run ansible playbooks to find trouble points)
12:36<petn-randall>ansible is pretty nice for things where a shell script grows to large, or where it's a PITA to add enough error checking into it.
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13:10<jhutchins>Ansible is pretty good, and it encourages keeping a standarad across multiple platforms.
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13:11<jhutchins>There are a couple of caveats: Error messages are really NOT helpful, and different versions of Ansible will throw differeent errors on the same machines. I was running it on Debian, and scripts written on Ubuntu wouldn't run correctly.
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13:16<ronoaldo>Hi! Anyone knows of a good PPA for Debian?
13:16<ronoaldo>I mean, I would like to build and share some packages targetting bullseye
13:17<sney>PPAs are an ubuntu thing. why not contribute your software to debian?
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13:21<jhutchins>ronoaldo: No. Debian does not use PPAs.
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13:22<jhutchins>ronoaldo: You'd go through the official build/approval process.
13:22<@bremner>of course you can make your own repository if you want, using e.g. reprepro or mini-dak. Whether that's a good idea is a different question
13:25<ronoaldo>you're right! why not contribute direct to Debian! where is a good place for me to get started? I'm not sure it will be a long-time commitment. I recall hosting with reprepro some time ago
13:26<ronoaldo>I had just built rnnoise plugin, and would like to get it into debian with pulseeffects... it could later be backported right? it's better to just joint he pulse effects dev list then?
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13:27<@bremner>ronoaldo: #debian-mentors can (in principle) help you learn to package for debian. It's a bit of effort.
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13:27<jhutchins>ronoaldo: That list sounds like a good place to start.
13:28<ronoaldo>nice! I had some basic skills with dh_make already, but I would like to get some mentoring indeed. joining the channel. thank you all!
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14:44<jelly>https://build.opensuse.org/ is probably the closest to PPA for debian
14:44<nerdraven>hi everyone
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15:03<needheed>Hello, I have sort of posted on here before. I have an issue where my maximum battery capacity is sort of capped at 50%, and it won't charge up to the full 6 hours that the battery had when I first had it. It drained to this low of a capacity in less than two months. I have thought that this was an issue with my battery configuration but I have tried different suggestions from this channel and I am sort of convinced it is a hardware i
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15:12<jhutchins>needheed: Whata kind of equipment are you talking about?
15:13<needheed>oh my bad. Thinkpad T430
15:13<sney>ah right, I remember this one
15:13<sney>I have the same laptop. it is supported 100% on debian, needing only wifi firmware. your battery problem is still hardware.
15:14<needheed>I see... I have went through two batteries with this thing, so I guess it is the laptop itself. Thanks! Will try to replace this thing now...
15:15<sney>motherboard is probably cheap on ebay
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15:17<jhutchins>needheed: Any chance it's under warantee?
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15:18<sney>jhutchins: lol, that model is from 2012
15:18<sney>I guess some refurb outlets have limited warranties but it's still pretty unlikely.
15:18<jhutchins>needheed: I would guess a problem with the charging circuit.
15:18<needheed>Kind of doubt it at this point... it is an old model yeah.
15:19<jhutchins>Given two replacement batteries.
15:19<needheed>I wouldn't have to do fancy stuff like solder to replace the motherboard would I?
15:19<jhutchins>Then again, the batteries are probably from the initial run, so all of the same age.
15:19<sney>nope, lenovo stuff swaps with a screwdriver
15:19<sarnold>needheed: btw irc has line length limits, and your first message was cut off at "it is a hardware i" -- did we miss more than 'ssue'? :)
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15:19<jhutchins>needheed: I think the power system is integrated on most laptops.
15:20<needheed>You didn't miss much nope
15:20<sney>yeah, were the batteries lenovo oem or some other generic? if the latter and they were from the same source, that could just be a bad batch
15:20<jhutchins>needheed: I suppose you could try an aftermarket battery, or have one of these Batteries Plus shops rebuild your spare with new cells.
15:21<jhutchins>sney: They use generic cells, but usually unique arrangements. Two recent lattitudes have completely different batteries.
15:22<needheed>lets see.. the first on ethat really shat the bed I can't really find a brand on it, so it may be generic. Not sure about the current one now
15:23<sarnold>needheed: was this a 'real lenovo' battery or was it an ebay / amazon / etc purchase? I really wouldn't be surprised if it's a cheap-o not-official thing for it to lose half capacity after a few months, there's a lot of magic in battery chemistry, and perhaps there's loads of ways to save money while making things that look good initially..
15:24<sney>also less careful QA
15:24<sarnold>hah, that feels more likely, yeah
15:25<needheed>The one that came with it I got as a certified refurbished laptop but I did order it from amazon, same with the new battery.
15:25<needheed>Perhaps I ought to try a Lenovo brand battery?
15:25<sney>look for FRU# 45N1005 for a real/refurb one
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15:40<jhutchins>Then there's the "don't spend money on an 8 yr old laptop" theory.
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15:52<sarnold>I still use my t530 for builds and other similar tasks that I've not set up yet on my newer machine.. a few bucks to keep it going can make sense, throwing endless bucks at it to keep it doesn't, hehe
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15:55<sney>I just spent $40 on a wifi upgrade for my t430. anything under $100 that it needs is on the table, particularly in the current laptop market. it's got 16GB, a 3rd gen i5, and a ssd. plenty of life left.
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15:59<somiaj>my laptops seem to die to soon, last one the connection to the charger went, and was cheaper to get a new one than fix that.
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16:29<pastly>I have /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.a on one host but not on another (the 2nd being a debootstrapped docker container). How did I get it?
16:30<pastly>I want it, and static versions of a few other libraries, in the docker container
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16:36<sarnold>pastly: on an ubuntu system, apt-file reports libssl-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.a
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16:38<pastly>thank you. I have libssl-dev and now see the source of confusion.
16:38<pastly>$ docker run c85ed585be99 ls /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*.a
16:38<pastly>ls: cannot access '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*.a': No such file or directory
16:38<somiaj>pastly: also dpkg -S /path/to/file will let you know what package owns a file on the machine if you tested the host that has it (alternative to apt-file)
16:38<pastly>yet if I just 'ls' that directory, I see that .a and some others
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16:39<sarnold>I wonder, try docker run c85ed585be99 sh -c "ls /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*.a"
16:40<sarnold>followed by
16:40<sarnold>I wonder, try docker run c85ed585be99 sh -c 'ls /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*.a'"
16:40<sarnold>argh. I meant to remove both " in that and replace them with '. I wonder how I screwed that up
16:40<pastly>luckily I didn't copy/paste your commands and knew what you were going for.
16:40<pastly>they both work as expected: listing all the *.a files.
16:41<pastly>I guess weird quoting issue...? ls '/lib/x86_too_many-these_things/*.a' didn't work
16:41<pastly>whatever
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16:43<somiaj>it is the shell that expands wild cards, so maybe docker isn't passing commands to a shell that expands the wildcards?
16:43<sarnold>is it the sh -c that's important there? or the local shell vs 'containered' shell?
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16:44<somiaj>wonder what shell docker run actually uses (or does it use its own shell which won't have wild card expansion)
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16:44<pastly>'docker run c85ed585be99 env' only has PATH, HOSTNAME, and HOST. So ... no shell?
16:45<somiaj>pastly: there is still some shell, though what shell it actually uses or what features it have maybe internal to docker
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17:04<jhutchins>docker is not a real computer or a real OS.
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18:49<ac_laptop>hello
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18:50<ac_laptop>doesn anyone know if this module https://github.com/nginxinc/nginx-ldap-auth is present in debian ? I see a debian/ subdirectory but I can't find any package of that name in the repos
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18:51<bremner>anybody can make a debian package for their own use
18:54<bremner>the fact that debian/copyright is 0 bytes long means that this is such a package
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18:56<ac_laptop>bremner: ok
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19:55<Drew_Swissroll>Hello You incredible community You! I'm looking for a bit of help with ffmpeg and mpv. http://paste.debian.net/1196484/ I am using ffmpeg and mpv from the debian buster stable repositories.
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20:00<cc>Drew_Swissroll: you are using ffmpeg and mpv from stable, but are you actually running debian stable?
20:00<Drew_Swissroll>Yes
20:00<cc>okay
20:00<cc>are you launching mpv from a terminal emulator inside an X session?
20:01<Drew_Swissroll>inside gnome-terminal
20:01<Drew_Swissroll>Within i3 if that counts
20:02<Drew_Swissroll>but a normal webp video from a debconf talk played fine
20:02<nyov>so you converted the x11 grabbed video and then converted it? you should probably show us the ffmpeg commandline, rather than the mpv player
20:02<cc>XDG_RUNTIME_DIR environment variable should be set by pam
20:03<cc>how did you login into i3 ?
20:03<nyov>also, does '-vo gl' do anything?
20:03<Drew_Swissroll>I done so many different things. I would have to capture and start again. I was hoping someone more knowledgable than myself would help me identify the problem and learn how to fix it. In case it were to happen again.
20:04<sarnold>maybe try starting an xterm or urxvt via dmenu or something instead; iirc gnome-terminals go through systemd user-instances and those have different environment variables..
20:04<Drew_Swissroll>Logged in through gnome-terminal login
20:04<Drew_Swissroll>not gnome terminal gnome desktop login
20:04<cc>are you using X or wayland?
20:05<bremner>are you using ssh or something?
20:05<bremner>what is "gnome-terminal login" ?
20:05<cc>that was a typo that Drew_Swissroll later corrected
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20:06<Drew_Swissroll>driver gl has been replaces with gpu. I went through all those mpv output options as listed in the pastebinit. And only -vo null and caca worked
20:07<Drew_Swissroll>The gnome desktop login. Please correct me on what to call it. My apologies. I'm a little tired.
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20:08<cc>Drew_Swissroll: xorg or wayland?
20:09<Drew_Swissroll>I believe it's xorg or or wayland's xserver backend. Forgive my ignorance, what is the command to check that?
20:12<Drew_Swissroll>Found it by running echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
20:12<Drew_Swissroll>X11
20:14<nyov>oh sorry, so it's a playback issue not a transcoding issue, my bad. have you tried vlc or mplayer per chance?
20:14<cc>Drew_Swissroll: pastebin `apt-cache policy systemd` to paste.debian.net
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20:16<nyov>and could it be a video memory issue? can you play back any other 1920x1080 video files? what resolution did the webp video have?
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20:18<Drew_Swissroll>http://paste.debian.net/1196489/
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20:19<Drew_Swissroll>I don't think memory should be a problem on this machine on normal memory or gpu
20:21<cc>Drew_Swissroll: so far no ideas. pastebin some more things: 1) apt-cache policy libpam-systemd 2) glxinfo | head -n 150 3) systemctl status gdm3
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20:28<Drew_Swissroll>1) http://paste.debian.net/1196490/ 2) http://paste.debian.net/1196491/ 3) http://paste.debian.net/1196492/
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20:31<cc>everything looks okay, you even have working acceleration
20:32<cc>Drew_Swissroll: are you running mpv under the same user that you have logged into gdm3 as?
20:33<Drew_Swissroll>no I am running it as root. I think out of laziness for not changing the permissions of the originally created video. I think I created it as root
20:33<cc>try running mpv as root
20:33<cc>err
20:33<cc>as the normal user that you are logged in as
20:34<Drew_Swissroll>ok just changing the perms and then will run it
20:35<Drew_Swissroll>I hate you so much lol
20:35<Drew_Swissroll>I even thought about that earlier but thought. No that would be silly lol.
20:36<Drew_Swissroll>May I ask, why was that the problem?
20:36<cc>you did not login as root
20:36<cc>root does not have the necessary environment set up by libpam-systemd
20:36<Drew_Swissroll>I swear I even went as far as su - instead of su -l root to give root the power
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20:37<Drew_Swissroll>Thankyou very much you have been phenomenal!
20:37<cc>and most importantly root does not have an active X session that he can use
20:38<cc>(compare: `echo $DISPLAY` vs `su -` + `echo $DISPLAY`
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20:38<cc>Drew_Swissroll: you are welcome
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20:42<Drew_Swissroll>My apologies I cannot pay. If I could. I would shower you both. But here is a wholesome meme for you both for your time: https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomemes/comments/kozac1/my_arch_nemesis/
20:43<Drew_Swissroll>I should have asked. Is it against the rules to post memes here. Even if that is the currency?
20:43<cc>there are rules? I'm not sure
20:43<sarnold>haha funny dog
20:44<Drew_Swissroll>*is going to get banned* LOL!
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