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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-05-06

---Logopened Thu May 06 00:00:33 2021
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03:42<surf>connect irc.debian.org
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05:51<duszek>I have accidentally ran chmod go-x in /usr/bin, how do I revert it back?
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05:58<jm_>looking at my files, they all have o+x so I would just do that
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05:59<jm_>ahh wait, g, no, those are not as simple, some have suid bit set
05:59<themill>sgid should be preserved with g-x / g+x
06:00<jm_>yeah probably
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06:00<duszek>jm: but how do I access encrypted LVM install so I can undone this command?
06:00<jm_>duszek: it no longer boots?
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06:00<duszek>jm: i will try to boot
06:00<jm_>duszek: do you get rescue prompt?
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06:01<jm_>duszek: try booting it in single user mode (under advanced in boot menu)
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06:04<jm_>lunch time for me, I'll be back a bit later if no-one else will help in the mean time
06:05<duszek>jm: okay, so I rebooted, I can get to the login screen, but I can't login even after entering a correct password
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06:05<duszek>that's what chmod go-x in /usr/bin has done
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06:06<duszek>jm: don't forget to use /away
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06:46<duszek>jm, are you back?
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06:54<duszek>I have accidentally ran chmod go-x in /usr/bin, how do I revert it back?
06:54<jm_>duszek: I am now
06:54<jm_>duszek: try booting d-i in rescue mode
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07:11<duszek>jm what does d-i mean?
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07:13<jm_>duszek: debian-installer
07:14<jm_>it has a mode where it mounts your /, try using that to run chmod
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07:16<duszek>jm: won't it remove any data, right? I don't want to go through ordeal of configuring the system again
07:16<jm_>duszek: no, it's purely for recovery purposes
07:16<duszek>jm_: ok
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07:17<jm_>duszek: when you boot, you get a menu, choose Advanced option -> Rescue mode
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07:19<duszek>jm_: okay, but what if the disk in encrypted and has LVM inside it?
07:19<jm_>duszek: unfrtunatelly I never used those, but I am guessing it supports that :)
07:20<jm_>as in if installer can create such setup, surely rescue mode also supports it
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07:21<duszek>jm_: okay, i'm going to attempt to use rescue mode
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07:35<duszek>what's the correct chmod for /bin?
07:37<bremner>drwxr-xr-x
07:38<bremner>so, 0755 should do it
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07:46<jm_>duszek: you could also just do the reverse of what you did, so og+x
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07:48<duszek>bremner and jm_, should -rwxr-xr-x be for files inside it too?
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07:48<bremner>yes
07:48<themill>(mostly)
07:48<bremner>although some might be suid
07:48<bremner>so jm_'s suggestion is probably best
07:49<themill>as soon as you have a usable system, « aptitude reinstall '~i' » seems worthwhile
07:50<duszek>bremner: what if i have already ran the number version of chmod? is my *uid damaged?
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07:51<bremner>well, it won't matter for running commands as root
07:51<bremner>so you can fix e.g. by reinstalling things
07:53<duszek>bremner: if i run aptitude reinstall '~i' then will correct chmods be restored?
07:55<bremner>I leave that question for people more familiar with aptitude.
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08:02<Guest3122>hello
08:02<Guest3122>im a chinese kid
08:04<duszek> I don't understand what does '~i' does in aptitude reinstall '~i'
08:05<Guest3122>i m a chinese kid
08:05<jm_>it matches installed packages, see /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
08:06<Guest3122>i find out how to use irc with annomity finally
08:07<bremner>Guest3122: hi. This channel is about Debian support. You might want a different channel for just chatting.
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08:07<bremner>!chat
08:07<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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08:08<duszek>Guest3122: and don't share your bridges or way how you connected, you are lucky you can chat here
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08:10<duszek>why do I need to put an apostrophe when using tilde with aptitude?
08:11<jm_>to prevent shell from expanding it
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08:12<duszek>jm_: where I can find documentation on such stuff?
08:12<jm_>duszek: which shell do you use?
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08:13<jm_>!grounding
08:13<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
08:14<jm_>that should give you a lot to read ;)
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08:16<duszek>jm_ bash
08:17<jm_>duszek: man bash -> Tilde Expansion
08:18<duszek>jm_: OK, thanks
08:20<jm_>not sure where the effect of '' is described
08:21<RedEagle>nmtui doesnt show wifilist ..but nm applet showing all ... how to fix this?
08:22<RedEagle>nmcli and nmapplet both works ...but not nmtui..
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08:39<duszek>are lrwxrwxrwx files in /bin a security risk?
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08:40<bremner>probably not
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08:40<bremner>afaik, symlinks always have those permissions
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08:52<duszek>bremner: i tried to remove go-w and accidentally had done go-x to links
08:54<bremner>huh. they are all +x for me.
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08:54<duszek>bremner: can i go-w links at /bin?
08:55<bremner>I don't know what effect that will have.
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09:11<blob>hello
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09:12<blob>there is AGAIN an open cve on dnsmasq.
09:12<blob>since 29 days https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-3448
09:13<blob>the maintainer is also the person behind dnsmasq https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dnsmasq
09:14<blob>i again tried to contact him, but again he is ignoring everything. he fixed it in testing but not in stable
09:14<blob>last time i had also to visit this irc channel
09:14<blob>and some days later he fixxed it https://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2021q1/014668.html
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09:16<bremner>good talk.
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09:16<bremner>[buster] - dnsmasq <postponed> (Revisit once upstream has backported to 2.80)
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09:30<joeDoh>my laptop screen didn't come back after blanking due to inactivity. (I also have an external montior plugged in that works fine still). The backlight is lit up, but the screen is blank. I'm suspecting hardware, but hoping it is sw. Anyone know how I might debug this? I was thinking of telling xrandr to turn off the laptop screen and then turn it back on, except that the last time I used --off
09:30<joeDoh>(on a different machine, long ago) <blush mode>I couldn't figure out how tu turn is back on again (there is no --on and none of my incantations of --output and --mode, etc worked)</blush mode>
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10:00<Guest3129>hi
10:02<joeDoh>I don't understand the output of xrandr without arguments. In addition to the built-in screen, my laptop has a vga and mini DP connector. Nothing is connected to vga, but there is an HDMI monitor on the DisplayPort connector. xrandr shows me the built-in as eDP-1, and the external, displayport-connected monitor as HDMI-1. HDMI-1 would be the displayPort-connected monitor, but both DP-1 and
10:02<joeDoh>DP-2 are showing as disconnected. And where did DP-2 come from, as well as a disconnected HDMI-2? Anyone understand that?
10:04<Guest3129>no idea
10:05<Guest3129>but if u need use vga convert for convenient
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10:31<scorpion2185[m]>you need firmware-misc-nonfree for nvidia-driver so , I had troubles m-a didn't install it
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11:30<duszek>can i go-w links at ?/bin?
11:30<duszek>can i go-w links at /bin?
11:30<duszek>sorry for that extra ?
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11:31<sney>what do you mean?
11:32<Noisytoot>What's go-w?
11:32<duszek>that I can remove write permissions from groups and others from links at /bin
11:32<duszek>if it's a security risk too
11:32<duszek>Noisytoot: chmod go-w
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11:34<Noisytoot>duszek, Doesn't root own files in /bin?
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11:37<bremner>they left :(
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11:49<lennonmclean>hello?
11:50<sney>hi
11:50<lennonmclean>what is this?
11:50<sney>!new2irc
11:50<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
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11:55<Noisytoot>!new2irc should also mention XMPP
11:55<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
11:55<sney>it doesn't need to be an exhaustive list, just to give people the idea
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12:16<gr_wity>Noisytoot: ehh I suspect most people familiar with the term XMPP will already have a rough idea of what IRC is
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12:52<Gerowen>Question. Last Thursday my server tried to send an email to survey@popcon.debian.org . It has never tried doing this before, and for some reason tried encrypting the message. It failed because I only have the mailer set up for internal messaging and it can't send messages to external domains. Is this the result of something wrong with popcon because I've never seen this before.
12:53<Gerowen>Also failed because it said "secret key not found"; because my server has no PGP keys configured for this type of thing; again, because the mailer is only used for internal messaging to let me know about problems.
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13:22<jhutchins>External mail reqiers additional configuration.
13:23<jhutchins>!mail
13:23<dpkg>methinks mail is a great program for sending mail, or <mutt> can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html
13:23<jhutchins>!exim4
13:23<dpkg>Exim 4 is the default <MTA> since Debian 3.1 "Sarge". The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/
13:24<jhutchins>Hm. Alioth's obsolete, isn't it?
13:25<sney>that link is dead, yeah. maybe replace it with https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
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13:44<jhutchins>I can never remember the syntax for updates.
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14:15<alex11>is there a way with ls to tell you the number of items?
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14:21<Noisytoot>maybe ls | wc -l
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14:26<alex11>yeah thanks
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14:29<Sqrt{not}>maybe: ls -l | wc -l
14:30<Noisytoot>ls -a | wc -l (to include hidden files)
14:31<Noisytoot>Sqrt{not}, Why ls -l?
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14:32<Sqrt{not}>because plain ls will put multiple names on each line, but you are only counting number of lines
14:34<sarnold>try ls | cat :)
14:34<sarnold>ls changes its behaviour if output is a terminal vs pipeline
14:34<Sqrt{not}>huh! TIL
14:35<jmcnaught>Also "ls -l" will add one extra line for the total
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14:36<Sqrt{not}><---- back to lurking and coffee drinking .. thanks
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14:36<sarnold>I'm not sure i love programs that do this; but it is handy to know that dpkg -l | cat won't truncate version numbers the way dpkg -l used to
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14:37<somiaj>sarnold: you can set the column length for dpkg -l if needed though.
14:38<somiaj>I find it useful, the main issue is realize that programs realize formmating output of a terminal vs for giving it to another program is useful.
14:39<somiaj>though sometimes I try to pipe ls to less so I can scroll up and down easier and then all the colors get stripped off, :/
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14:40<jmcnaught>somiaj: ls --color | less -R
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14:42<somiaj>intersting needs a combiniation of both, my alias defaults to --color=auto, might have to rember that
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14:51<PaulePanter>Hi. For the usr-merge, should `/sbin/sysctl` from *procps* actually be in `/usr/sbin/sysctl`?
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14:53<somiaj>I thought the package usrmerge was supose to handel this, vs being handeled at the package level.
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16:17<swimi>goodevening evaeryone, I need help in configuration of repository in a Debian Jessie, that use power-pc architecture. I understand that I've to use debian-ports, but I want help to compile source.list, It would be better if someone write me the configuration and then post it in debian-help log in internet page.
16:17<swimi>thankyou evarybody for support
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16:19<sarnold>swimi: why jessie? that reached the end of standard support almost three years ago https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
16:22<somiaj>!archive
16:22<dpkg>An archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. For old Debian <ISO> files ask me about <cd archive>. For old versions of source code see https://sources.debian.org/
16:23<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
16:23<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
16:23<sarnold>oh handy
16:23<sarnold>will that work for ports?
16:23<somiaj>well in this case it will include all ports released with jessie
16:24<somiaj>but yea, they should be using debian-ports (which tracks sid) and not jessie
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16:24<somiaj>swimi: https://www.ports.debian.org/archive -- there is the current sources.list for debian port
16:26<swimi>If i copy that line in internet page,it's right? deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unstable main
16:26<swimi> and the other again?
16:27<Sqrt{not}>I think there was some talk on another channel about old-old architectures that needed an old-old release, but I don't remember if it was this exact hardware
16:27<swimi>unstable, and unrealeased too
16:27<somiaj>swimi: yes you want the two sources listed there
16:27<swimi>ok
16:27<somiaj>being unoffical it tracks both unstable and unreleased apckages
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17:14<swimi>there are something not working: Error gpg says NO_PUBKEY alfanumber....the other error says impossible recuperare http://debian.org/debian-ports/dists/unrealeased/main/binary-powerpc/Packages 404 not found ip 151.101.242.132 80 .
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17:21<sarnold>I don't think I've ever seen packages hosted on debian.org before -- where'd you get that line from?
17:24<swimi>from ports.debiand.org/archive
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17:32<sarnold>swimi: nothing on that page says to use http://debian.org/ -- given how many typos you have in your messages here, I strongly recommend sticking to copy-and-paste for anything important
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17:37<twb>Is "Xwayland" a wayland server, or an X server?
17:37<twb>I assumed it was the X server that renders to some other wayland process, but when I killed it, my entire desktop died
17:38<twb>And I can't see any wayland process running, nor can I see a wayland PACKAGE even...
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17:41<twb>u_str LISTEN 0 128 /run/user/1000/wayland-0 188874 * 0 users:(("gnome-shell",pid=88781,fd=38),("gnome-shell",pid=88781,fd=37))
17:41<twb>so... the wayland server is the gnome-shell process? WTF?
17:41<sarnold>yeah, they glued compositor, window manager, and server all into one process
17:42<sarnold>given that includes a JS interpreter it feels like a bold move to me
17:42<twb>what even
17:42<twb>so if you run swaywm instead, the wayland server code is embedded into swaywm?
17:42<twb>I notice the gdm doesn't even offer to load different desktops anymore
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17:44<twb>I also don't understand why "pkill Xwayland" caused the entire desktop to crash back to the gdm login screen, and then logging in from there to not work (takes you straight back to the login screen)
17:44<sarnold>that's my understanding
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