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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-05-08

---Logopened Sat May 08 00:00:36 2021
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00:07<fc69>ls
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00:14<fc69>hello. I just want to say that i'm a debian user and arch for more than 7 years now, and i think that it is a great dist. Keep going people. xD
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01:03<mbarbar[m]>Are old dpkg tarballs archived anywhere?
01:04<mbarbar[m]>I (in an admittedly stupid way) am relying on the dpkg-1.20.5 tarball but I cannot find it anywhere
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01:04<somiaj>mbarbar[m]: debian doens't provide tarballs directly, it provides source packages.
01:05<somiaj>mbarbar[m]: snapshot.debian.org will have copies of all old source and binary packages, and you can grab the tarball form the source package.
01:05<somiaj>(note dpkg is kinda special, but a source package contains the upstream tarball and the debian patches, since dpkg upstream is debian this is slightly different)
01:07<mbarbar[m]>somiaj: Fantastic, too easy
01:07<mbarbar[m]>Found it, thanks!
01:08<somiaj>mbarbar[m]: if you are only intersted in offical releases, you can also check out archive.debian.org for old release packages (both binary and source)
01:08<somiaj>snapshot contains all packages (well back to some start date)
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01:12<mbarbar[m]>somia: I see, thanks. It appears 1.20.5 might be too new, can't seem to find it on archive.debian.org. The snapshot will probably suffice for now
01:16<somiaj>yea archive.debian.org only contains old releases (oldoldstable and older)
01:17<somiaj>,v dpkg
01:17<judd>Package: dpkg on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.17.26; jessie: 1.17.27; stretch: 1.18.25; buster: 1.19.7; bullseye: 1.20.9; sid: 1.20.9
01:17<somiaj>mbarbar[m]: yea since 1.20.5 was never released with a debian version, snapshot is the only place.
01:17<mbarbar[m]>Mm, makes sense
01:17<somiaj>(well there might be a git repo for dpkg, but I find snapshot just more useful)
01:18<somiaj>https://salsa.debian.org/dpkg-team/dpkg -- yea there is its git repo
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02:17<alex11>speaking of dpkg i wonder how it works when it (or apt) has an update
02:17<alex11>there must be some cool bootstrapping going on during the upgrade process
02:18<somiaj>I think once the program is loaded into memeory, dropping a new binary in place is just fine and nothing crazy needs to go on
02:19<somiaj>so it just uses the same method as any running program
02:19<somiaj>though unsure on the exact details, but I don't see it needing anything special
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04:49<Chuxy7>thanks Debian developers for the nice Debian Buster release :)
04:50<Chuxy7>i installed Debian Buster with the LXDE desktop yesterday on my HP laptop :)
04:50<Chuxy7>works great!
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05:19<Chuxy7>hi all
05:20<Chuxy7>i have installed Debian with the LXDE desktop , but how to get root in my terminal ?
05:20<Chuxy7>sudo -i is not working
05:20<Chuxy7>sudo su not working too
05:20<Chuxy7>only with typing : su
05:20<Chuxy7>i am able to get root.
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09:00<hacker>Hello
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09:03<Guest3308>???????????????
09:03<abrotman>! ! !
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09:04<oscar_vzla>Hello good day. Installing transmission-daemon and modifying the user with whom it would start and the owner of the folders, everything was damaged.
09:04<oscar_vzla>Now I can't even reinstall it. I have removed with "sudo apt-get remove transmisssion-daemon" and also with "sudo apt-get purge transmisssion-daemon"
09:04<Guest3308>??????
09:04<Guest3308>???????
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09:10<oscar_vzla>I get this error
09:10<oscar_vzla>Failed to start transmission-daemon.service: Unit transmission-daemon.service failed to load properly: Bad message.
09:10<oscar_vzla>See system logs and 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' for details.
09:10<oscar_vzla>invoke-rc.d: initscript transmission-daemon, action "start" failed.
09:10<oscar_vzla>● transmission-daemon.service - Transmission BitTorrent Daemon
09:10<oscar_vzla> Loaded: error (Reason: Unit transmission-daemon.service failed to load properly: Bad message.)
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11:00<johanmlg>Hello! Is this an appropriate channel to ask hardware related questions? Im considering purchasing an external USB 3.0 Graphics card to be able to add an extra monitor to my laptop. Last time I looked into this (almost 20 years ago if memory serves me) this was not easily done on Debian. It was required to run to separate X servers and no way to move windows between the screens. Have this situation improved? If so, could a
11:00<johanmlg>nyone recommend a graphics card?
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11:29<petn-randall>johanmlg: Since most Debian installations don't run X11 servers anymore I'd say a lot of things have changed since ;).
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11:31<petn-randall>johanmlg: I can't recommend anything specifically, but my Thinkpad dock is attached via USB 3.0 and I can attached several monitors to it without configuring it manually. So I'd just google "debian" + the specific model you're looking at, and see if someone has set it up before.
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11:35<johanmlg>petn-randall, thanks :) I actually didnt know that. For the past few years I've mostly used the stock Debian desktop without any thought to how it works behind the scenes. Ill spent a bit on time on google to find if someone have had any luck with the ones that are in stock at my local hw store. But If anyone has any specific recommendations I'd love to hear them :)
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14:35<Andantino>I am using debian testing with the cinnamon desktop. I am trying to figure out how to edit libinput.conf to make my right touchpad button do a left click
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14:43<petn-randall>!debian-next
14:43<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
14:44<petn-randall>Andantino: You might have better luck asking here. ^^^
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14:56<sappheiros>https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-500-series/radeon-rx-500-series/radeon-rx-580 Do you know whether this Radeon Software for Linux Driver for Ubuntu 20.04.2 works with Debian 10? and whether it will give me more control over the AMD heatsink fan lights?
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14:56<sappheiros>I'm thinking Ubuntu is from Debian and both OS are around the same time period so it should work, right?
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14:59<sney>amdgpu-pro is not supported in debian, it's possible to build it in *some* environments but it usually takes a bit of tinkering.
14:59<sney>however, it's a video driver. it has nothing to do with your motherboard rgb controls.
14:59<sney>[12:32:48] <sney> unplug the led connectors. or usually there's an option in the efi menu
15:00<sappheiros>>______> thanks again
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15:01<towo`>apdgpu-pro is not needed for a rx580
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15:17<Peetz0r>sappheiros: you may want to look into OpenRGB
15:17<Peetz0r>https://gitlab.com/CalcProgrammer1/OpenRGB
15:17<sappheiros>sweet, thank you
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15:21<marcih>anybody around?
15:22<Peetz0r>Nope, there's nobody here ;)
15:22<marcih>:D
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15:23<marcih>i'm on a uefi system (debian testing, patiently waiting for bullseye to stabilise) and waiting for grub seems inefficient. i found that there's a wiki article on efistub booting, is that officially supported? should i expect any breakages if i attempt that?
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15:29<Sqrt{not}>marcih, uefi booting is already supported, what is the question?
15:29<marcih>efistub
15:29<Sqrt{not}>are you trying to eliminate grub?
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15:30<marcih>yes, if possible, it doesn't really do much in my usecase
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15:34<Sqrt{not}>marcih, I think it already works, but I haven't tried it myself.
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15:35<Sqrt{not}>marcih, if you are on testing, which is already bullseye, you might want to ask your question in their channel: #debian-next
15:36<marcih>Sqrt{not}: there already is a wiki article about how to set it up, i was more concerned about if it breaks, will that warrant a bug report or will i just get to keep the pieces ;)
15:36<Sqrt{not}>marcih, definitely it is supported, if it causes a problem, definitely file a bug report
15:37<marcih>Sqrt{not}: I was on the fence about asking in #debian-next but the wiki does say the kernel's been compiled with efistub support since wheezy so i thought it would be safe to ask here, also since this channel is probably more active
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15:38<marcih>Sqrt{not}: alright, good to know, i'll try it out and be back in the next few days if something breaks ;)
15:38<Sqrt{not}>marcih, sure. good luck.
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16:08<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: I don't think you're really going to see much improvement by bypassing grub.
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16:08<jhutchins>Er, sorry Sqrt{not}, I meant marcih, but he's gone.
16:09<jhutchins>Having worked on system that took hours to boot, I find the need the last .001 of speed out of their systems pretty silly.
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16:14<Sqrt{not}>Also, I like having the option to revert to previous know-good versions.
16:14<cnc>hello
16:15<Sqrt{not}>hi cnc
16:15<cnc>are you human? :)
16:15<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, robot
16:15<dpkg><eleusis> this bot is cool
16:16<cnc>i am sorry
16:17<Sqrt{not}>cnc, many humans are here.. do you have a debian question?
16:19<cnc>how I contact them?
16:19<blast007>!ask
16:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
16:20<cnc>thank you
16:21<blast007>(Specifically, since it doesn't really spell it out in that factoid, just ask here in this chat room)
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17:01<loki>привет
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17:41<jhutchins>!ru
17:41<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
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17:49<yensito>hello!
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17:57<Sqrt{not}>hi yensito
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22:27<sappheiros>why the channel limit?
22:29<sney>it is automatically maintained to prevent join floods
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22:34<sappheiros>i thought that after i checked how many users there currently were
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