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01:35<jcl>hello
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01:36<rindolf>hi all. is freenode being ddossed again? i don't mind lurking here for otheer chat though
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01:42<sunyibo>I'm going to ask my question again, as I didn't understand the answers. I'd like to set up my debian server so, that it doesn't request me the ssh passphrase, when it talks to other servers. This should stick for all sessions that I log into this server. Could someone please point me to a simple resource on how to set this up?
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01:44<polymetric>the most common way to do it is just to have an SSH key and a daemon on your local machine that loads the passphrase for the SSH key so that way you can just ssh right into all your servers right away when you log into your local machine
01:44<polymetric>oh but you mean server to server without a local daemon
01:45<polymetric>what you want is an ssh-agent
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01:46<polymetric>you can put a script in your bashrc that checks if the ssh-agent is loaded and start it if it's not
01:46<polymetric>and it asks for your passphrase once when it starts but all subsequent logins work immediately
01:47<polymetric>however that's probably not the best way to do it
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01:47<polymetric>there might be a better way to deal with server-to-server stuff
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01:49<rindolf>sunyibo: hi, sup?
01:51<rindolf>polymetric++
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01:52<rindolf>sunyibo: you can use ssh-add
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01:56<rindolf>sunyibo: that or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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02:41<sunyibo>I did this https://bpa.st/HGHQ from https://superuser.com/questions/284374/ssh-keys-ssh-agent-bash-and-ssh-add . Now I have to enter my ssh passphrase every time I log into the server. But I would somehow would prefer unlocking the ssh key at maximum once when I boot the server. And I'd like the servers to be able to talk to each other, so that I can automate syncing betweeen them
02:41<sunyibo>with git-annex
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02:44<sunyibo>this is sad.
02:45<masagin99>ack
02:45<cooch-licker>your mom is sad
02:45<masagin99>aaah, you know my mom
02:52<rindolf>masagin99: i hope he didn't know her the Biblical way: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=shlomif-fact-sglau-27 ;)
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04:04<hchaumette>hi, I'm doing maintenance on a debian-based embedded system, I have no persistent syslog to debug unexpected reboots, and /var/log/wtmp is deleted after a reboot. Any advice?
04:05<somiaj>hchaumette: using systemd?
04:05<somiaj>hchaumette: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian the intro of that file tells you what you need to do to make journald persistant between reboots.
04:06<hchaumette>it's an old one, i have sysV
04:06<somiaj>hmm, been a while since I've used that, don't know why that logfile is being deleted, have you looked at what logrotate is doing?
04:07<somiaj>maybe modify /etc/logrotate.d/wtmp
04:07<hchaumette>no, i only looked at rsyslog so far
04:08<somiaj>at least on my system (a bit newer than you have I am assuming), wtmp is set with rotate 1, so maybe logrotate is deleteing the log and not rotating it due to that setting
04:09<hchaumette>there is no mention of wtmp in logrotate.d/
04:10<somiaj>hmm, yea I'm on buster, what version of debian is this?
04:11<hchaumette>etc/debian_version gives 5.0.4
04:12<hchaumette>Lenny I guess
04:12<somiaj>ahh yea, quite old, my memeory doesn't go back that far, though I did have lenny machines once.
04:13<somiaj>Anyways, I'm not that familar with the wtmp log, wonder if some startup service is deleting it, though unsure what to do to track this down.
04:13<hchaumette>i grepped for wtmp in init.d, no hits so I don't think that's it
04:15<hchaumette>I see that logrotate.d/rsyslog is almost the same as my desktop's, only change is the postrotate script
04:17<hchaumette>I'll try to copy my desktop wtmp logrotate config, it seems to create the file
04:18<jm_>sunyibo: if you want no questions from ssh-add, then your options are: a) ssh key without pass-phrase, or b) automate ssh-add using whichever tool can submit password to it
04:18<somiaj>that might help rotate it, though since it is a binary log, it might work differently.
04:20<somiaj>hchaumette: I saw one post point at /etc/login.defs, but unsure if that will help here. Best of luck tracking down the issue.
04:20<hchaumette>thanks, I'll investigate that and logrotate
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04:29<hchaumette>I don't have logrotate on my system, that explains a lot
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07:53<sodo>no `xrsh` package on debian sid??
07:54<bremner>try #debian-next for sid support
07:55<bremner>but no, not for ages
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08:19<dio1231>i have mx linux installed on ssd and i installed windows 10 for dual boot, but now it boots directly to windows, grub menu does not appear. how to fix?
08:21<bremner>!mx linux
08:21<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
08:24<dio1231>it's based on debian, but this is not distro issue, it's grub issue.
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08:24<RoyK^>dio1231: that's quite normal. Windoze will overwrite grub during installation. Boot on an installer and run rescue. All you need, is to reinstall grub. It should find windows as well.
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08:25<dio1231>i tried boot-repair but it wasn't able to repair it.
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08:25<RoyK>grub-install /dev/sda or something similar should work
08:26<dio1231>i will try it
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08:31<dio1231>if i try grub-install /dev/sda i get this error: grub-install: error: cannot open directory `/boot/grub/i386-pc': No such file or directory.
08:33<dio1231>i am trying to install it from mx linux live usb
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08:35<bremner>!based on debian
08:35<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
08:36<bremner>it's like we've had this chat before...
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08:43<bentham>step one: install debian
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09:00<gateway2000>bash doesn't read the command in ~/.profile to add my $USER/bin to $PATH because the graphical terminal isn't a login shell. Should I make it a login shell or update the path elsewhere?
09:00<JorgeMorais>Hi. Does anyone here use the Guix package manager installed via the guix .deb package?
09:00<jm_>best update it in place where it's used for all cases
09:00<gateway2000>Thank you
09:02<jm_>!bashrc
09:02<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
09:02<bremner>JorgeMorais: if you mean the package in debian testing, you could try asking in #debian-next.
09:03<jm_>that's odd, I don't see .bash_profile in /etc/skel - is that comment outdated?
09:03<jm_>ahh it's handled in .profile now
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09:08<gateway2000>perfect
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09:13<somiaj>jm_: .profile is read by all shells, .bash_profile is only read by bash (just isn't created by default)
09:14<somiaj>so that factoid is prefered, since you only want bash to read .bashrc (though you can just check for bash in .profile too)
09:14<jm_>somiaj: yeah, I'm always glad I use zsh when it comes to this stuff :)
09:15<jm_>somiaj: debian's .profile works that way, it checks for bash
09:16<somiaj>yea, so .bash_profile is optional if you want a .profile that is only read by bash and need it, but if all you are doing is say reading .bashrc, the if statement works fine
09:16<somiaj>so it is more up to the user which method they prefer, probably for most it doens't matter
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10:10<sonce>hi, quick question, im trying full-upgrade from unstable , and i just see the strangest thing "change home directory of user "irc" from /var/run/ircd to /run/ircd <yes> <no>"
10:10<sonce>what is that ?
10:10<sonce>there is no user irc on my comp
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10:11<bentham>sonce: are you sure about that? what does grep "^irc" /etc/passwd say?
10:11*themill predicts it will say: irc:x:39:39:ircd:/run/ircd:/usr/sbin/nologin
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10:11<sonce>no idea, its a blue screen, i can only say yes or no
10:12<sonce>its a brand new install, only user i created is sonce
10:12<bentham>sonce: open up another terminal
10:12<sonce>please bare with me
10:12<sonce>how ?
10:12<bentham>are you on a tty? i.e. no x?
10:13<sonce>no x
10:13<bentham>right. so, maybe ctrl+alt+F3
10:13<sonce>ok
10:13<bentham>log in as 'sonce'
10:13<bentham>grep "^irc" /etc/passwd
10:14<sonce>yeah it said exactly that
10:14<sonce>what is that ?
10:14<bentham>so, themill is right, and you do indeed have a user 'irc'
10:14<sonce>where did it come from ?
10:14<themill>Like lots of things, it's a system user
10:15<sonce>so its not some strange backdoor that shouldnt be tehre ?
10:15<themill>A statically allocated uid for historical reasons.
10:15<sonce>ok, so its "safe" (whatever the word means)
10:15<sonce>how do i get back now ?
10:15<themill>/usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz is instructive
10:15<bentham>ctrl+alt+F2
10:15<sonce>f1
10:15<sonce>thanks
10:16<bentham>ok.
10:16<sonce>thanks a lot!
10:16<bentham>enjoy
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12:02<rajulocal>Is there a command to get the list of packages that "apt-get upgrade" would upgrade into a flat file (say one package per file)?
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12:07<somiaj>you could use -s or --dry-run to get the list
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12:07<somiaj>though not sure why you want one package per file if you just want a list.
12:07<sarnold>rajulocal: try this: apt-get -s upgrade | awk '$1 ~ /Inst/ { print $2; }'
12:08<sarnold>(I assumed 'per file' was a typo for 'per line')
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12:09<jimpop>apt list --upgradable ?
12:10<rajulocal>sarnold: Yes, I meant one package per line.
12:10<sarnold>apt isn't intended for scripting use
12:10<sarnold>it's certainly friendlier to use :)
12:11<jimpop>they've been saying that for years, yet everybody still scripts it
12:11<jimpop>lol
12:11<sarnold>and some day they may find out that was a mistake :)
12:11<jimpop>while true, that day may never come and by then apt will be scriptable (probably)
12:12<rajulocal>sarnold: your command works, thanks.
12:13<rajulocal>jimpop: "apt list --upgradable" does not give the same information. For example, in my case 'apt-get update' is trying to update 1786 packages. But "apt list --upgradable" is giving 2853 packages.
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12:13<somiaj>apt-get update won't upgrade any packages, that just pulls in a new list
12:13<sarnold>rajulocal: apt upgrade applies different algorithms than apt-get upgrade -- they may both be correct in their own way
12:14<somiaj>yea, apt upgrade is more like aptitude, it will install new packages, apt-get upgrade won't
12:14<rajulocal>somiaj: sorry, I meant "apt-get upgrade" is trying to update 1786 packages.
12:15<somiaj>what version of debian are you running/upgrading from/to?
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12:15<somiaj>but as mentioned apt-get upgrade won't install or remove any packages to satsify dependecies, while apt upgrade will install new packages (but not remove) to satsify dependecnies
12:17<rajulocal>somiaj: Running a mix of stable and testing.
12:17<somiaj>yea don't do that, also please don't ask #debian to support that
12:18<rajulocal>no, I am not asking #debian to support.
12:19<somiaj>yes you are, but anyways, once you upgrade your core system to testing you are basically running testing so just finish the upgrade.
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12:20<rajulocal>somiaj: ris #debian only for stable?
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12:21<sney>stable and old+stable
12:21<rajulocal>oh ok, sorry.
12:21<sney>"I'm mixing stable and testing for nonsense reasons" is supported nowhere, however
12:21<bentham>you could join #debian-next instead
12:21<rajulocal>sney: true, yeah.
12:22<bentham>what sney said.
12:22<sney>bentham: oh, they are there. we had the discussion about this kludge a few days ago.
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12:23<sarnold>I wondered what kinds of dirty deeds it took to get ~2k upgradable packages :)
12:27<rajulocal>Yeah, trying to move completely to testing if possible.
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12:27<somiaj>just run apt dist-upgrade and be done with it, testing is frozen and almost ready to release, you'll be fine
12:28<somiaj>of course do this from a tty or screen/tmux
12:30<somiaj>read the upgrade instructions in the release notes for other best practices (like don't have any third party repos active during this)
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12:43<redbrass>Anyone familiar with patch files? Or is there a better channel to aks about them in? I'm trying to patch a custom kernel for Debian, the patch file *seems* right, but keeps failing.
12:44<redbrass>obviously I need to provide more detail.. I'm working on a pastie.
12:44<sarnold>are you modifying the debian kernel package or are you modifying a tarball, etc?
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12:45<redbrass>raw kernel from kernel.org - 5.10.35
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12:49<redbrass>http://pastie.org/p/1dZZhwBo36GWyZNfGTXqKm
12:50<redbrass>I *think* the issue may be the time stamps. I've tried to check for tabs vs spaces and line endings. The line number is correct.
12:50<superkuh>You could always just go edit ./net/wireless/core.c manually and swap the lines.
12:50<sarnold>redbrass: pastebin how you tried to apply the patch and what the output was? timestamps don't matter
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12:51<redbrass>superkuh: true. However I'm building a script to rebuild the kernel on demand for our devs.
12:51<sarnold>and patches are involved?
12:51<redbrass>sarnold: the process is "cd kernel/linux-5.10.35; patch -p1 < path/to/patchfile.patch"
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12:52<redbrass>we have custom hardware support with our kernel - so there are various configs and patches needed.
12:52<sney>shouldn't it be with d/patches and a series file?
12:53<somiaj>what error do you get when trying to apply the patches?
12:53<sney>that's how debian does it, https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/tree/master/debian/patches
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12:53<redbrass>all my other patches work fine - except for this file. There are three errors in this file. I'm updating the patch from a previous kernel.
12:53<somiaj>yea, if you make your own custom debian source package, you could use quilt to help apply the patches in order, though you'll have to make sure to clean up any fuzz
12:55<sarnold>redbrass: or perhaps set up a gitlab instance or similar, and use CI runners to run something on every git push or pull requests or something/
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12:56<sarnold>redbrass: even a cronjob to pull a git tree periodically and rebuild and test that... manually managing patches *almost* works for eg akpm, but he's been doing it that way for 25 years or something
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12:56<redbrass>http://pastie.org/p/35bm6jxC9T1P0FfAugsslp - the output from the patch call. The original pastie I did is the first hunk.
12:56<sarnold>redbrass: but git trees give everyone nice clear histories, easy ways to roll things back out, distributed backups, etc
12:57<redbrass>I appreciate the suggestions on the process. I can pursue that after I solve this issue - afterall, this patch issue would break those work flows too, I think.
12:58<redbrass>For testing, I've built a script that wipes my kernel folder, decompresses the tar to recreate the original kernel folder, and apply my patch file. Clean slate every time. This one file is the sticking point.
12:58<somiaj>redbrass: you are patching more files than the one you originally linked. The patch you linked worked fine, but there are other files it is patching that are being rejected. Go look at the rejects.
12:59<somiaj>It looks like these patches were built for a different version of the kernel, you'll have to check if they are still appropriate.
12:59<redbrass>There is nothing in the rejects, but the hunk.
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12:59<redbrass>somiaj: exactly what I've done re the kernel versions. These patches are still relevant and should still be working.
12:59<somiaj>well maybe share the whole patch, because the patch you shared should not be touching those files.
13:00<somiaj>redbrass: what makes you think they are still relevant and should be working, the error you posted says otherwise.
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13:01<somiaj>but that this point you'll have to start looking at the source code to see what has changed and why the patch isn't applying
13:03<redbrass>http://pastie.org/p/20z64xslXKVSSj7Yj2jM9M - the full patch file (minus the header comments).
13:03<redbrass>somiaj: I have reviewed the code. I had to re-align the line numbers. While I was there I ensured the context lines still matched up and that the change would make sense.
13:05<redbrass>I have also tried to make the change manually and generate a new diff. Even that patch fails - but more likely due to user error (me) than anything else. It complained about the patch ending in the middle of a line.
13:05<redbrass>I have no helpful indicator of WHY the patch is failing. Just that it failed.
13:07<Linux-Fan>redbrass: Rather than editing the patch files by hand, I think the variant of first making the changes to the actual source code and then generating a new patch from them may be worth pursuing.
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13:08<redbrass>Linux-Fan: thanks. I tried that and it failed too when reapplying the patch to a fresh source tree.
13:08<Linux-Fan>You could even make use of high-level tools like git to create machine-processable patches
13:08<sarnold>if these timestamps are correct, this patch is five years old. stuff will have changed. I think you've just got to 'hand-apply' things like this and regenerate the patches
13:08<sarnold>you'll need to read the code anyway to make sure the patch still makes semantic sense
13:10<redbrass>The timestamps for for the 5.4.56 kernel. We are updating to 5.10.35 (current LTS). I wasn't sure what to change the timestamps too to reflect the new kernel.
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13:10<redbrass>s/for for/are for/
13:14<RoyK>is there something like ubuntu livepatch in the works for debian?
13:15<somiaj>RoyK: what is ubuntu livepatch?
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13:15<RoyK>hotpatching kernel stuff without requiring a reboot and such
13:16<RoyK>IIRC it was included by Linus a couple of years ago, but I haven't seen much on how to use it without that of ubuntu, which requires a subscription
13:19<sarnold>redbrass: you don't change the timestamps. they don't matter. they just serve to indicate that the code you're patching has probably changed in five years and will require some work to update the patches :)
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13:19<sarnold>RoyK: a few days ago a guy in #kernelnewbies managed to use livepatch himself to fix a problem he was facing without rebooting :D
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13:19<sarnold>RoyK: https://ruffell.nz/programming/writeups/2020/04/20/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-kernel-livepatch-in-ubuntu.html
13:20<RoyK>I'm quite aware of what livepatch is :)
13:21<RoyK>I was just wondering if something similar was available for Debian and preferably without a subscription
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13:23<redbrass>sarnold: thanks. I'm doing that work now, but hit this barrier. :)
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13:23<redbrass>brb - need to connect from the work computer...
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13:25<sarnold>redbrass: wb, you didn't miss anything while gone
13:25<sarnold>RoyK: but it's got nice instructions on how to start writing the patches :D
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13:27<somiaj>RoyK: the kernel should be able to handel it, though I don't think debian (that I'm aware of) is making use of this. Buster's kernel maybe a bit old, but bullseye should be fine, though debian may not make use of this until a future release.
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13:29<somiaj>RoyK: bullseye is almost ready to be released, and won't be getting any new features, so it will be bookworm (the next release) at a minimum that support for this will be added.
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13:33<sonce>Hi, im still stuck with graphics, now its an unclaimed display, any help appreciated
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13:55<Sqrt{not}> sonce what help do you need there?
13:57<sonce>getting graphics to work properly
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13:58<sonce>so i can now see i915
13:58<sonce>but im still only getting default ouput with no way of setting resolution and no way of using multiple monitors
13:59<Sqrt{not}>do you have the firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
13:59<sonce>yes
14:00<dimadima>qq
14:01<Sqrt{not}>sonce, sorry, I don't know any back-story about your question. what software are you using ? default output of what? are you using one of the desktop environments?
14:02<sonce>sorry, new debian install on new desktop, currently uname -r
14:02<sonce>ups
14:02<sonce>5.10.0-6-amd64
14:03<sonce>it boots now with nomodeset
14:03<sonce>z590, lga 1200, i7 10700
14:04<Sqrt{not}>OK, is this an install of bullseye, debian 11?
14:04<redbrass>sarnold: solved the patch problem. It was an indentation issue. Tabs vs spaces, and an extra space. The other hunk failures were because the code being replaced/removed had changed slightly.
14:04<sonce>5.10.28-1
14:04<sonce>buster didnt work
14:05<Sqrt{not}>sonce, you will bet better answers in channel #debian-next for bullseye questions
14:05<Sqrt{not}>*will get*
14:06<sonce>ok, ill try , thanks
14:07<RoyK>somiaj: I hope it'll end up in backports, then :)
14:07<RoyK>the only issue with livepatch, is that I have to tune that zabbix check to disable checks for uptime > 3 months for these hosts :)
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14:34<r4fkramer>Hi all, I continue trying to activate my webcam, integrated to my laptop, but still without any good result: https://paste.debian.net/1197187/
14:35<r4fkramer>My question is: relatively to command 'lsusb', apparently, lines 2 or 8 refer to the WebCam, but I'm not sure.
14:35<r4fkramer>Using line 8 as an example, the numbering '0bda: 0158' refers to drivers or libraries that are used by the webcam?
14:38<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: That number is vendor id:product id. In this case 0bda is the vendor ID for this Realtek multicard reader
14:40<r4fkramer>Ok jmcnaught, so I will forget about it. But, according my paste, the basic question is: how to find the missing firmware or driver for this webcam, if that's the case ?
14:41<r4fkramer>I don't have any idea about it. It should be a simple task. But for me, it's being really quite difficult to fix this issue, and make this device working properly
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14:43<r4fkramer>I saw the extensive list of firmwares in debian site, but I don't have a more clear idea about which firmware should I install for this device
14:44<r4fkramer>I used non-free image to install this debian
14:44<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: most webcams are USB video class (UVC) devices that do not require special firmwares or drivers to operate. If your webcame is not listed by lsusb, it is probably broken or disconnected.
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14:46<r4fkramer>That's what I've imagined, but I'm not sure about it yet. Please, jmcnaught, according 'lsusb' output, is this webcam available ? https://paste.debian.net/1197189/
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14:47<r4fkramer>According 'guvcview', there is no device found
14:48<r4fkramer>No video device found, in this case.
14:48<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: I see no device in that list that I'd expect to be a webcam. Its not a root hub. It is not a Bluetooth adapter. It is not a card reader. The only thing that is a little strange is the "Cygnal Integrated", but Google does not suggest it to be a Webcam either. Hence nothing recognized at the lsusb level.
14:48<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: which line do you think it would be. It is obviously not line 3 (bluetooth) or line 9 (multicard reader). That leaves line 7, from Cygnal Integrated Products, when I look up its vendor:product ID 10c4:8108 I get a result that it is a USB mouse: https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:10c4-8108
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14:49<r4fkramer>Ok Linux-Fan and jmcnaught, so probably it is disconnected or damaged....
14:50<r4fkramer>My question is solved. Thank you very much for information and Great Support :)
14:50<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: It could also be just disabled or connected by some proprietary non-USB means. Have you checked that it is enabled in UEFI?
14:51<r4fkramer>Linux-Fan, I made a research in BIOs, and couldn't get any specific information about it, if enabled in UEFI or not
14:51<Linux-Fan>I know that on my Dell the webcam can be disabled at the UEFI level which hides it entirely from the OS. There has to be a specific option for it, though. If there is none, this (almost) rules out a wrong setting in UEFI.
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14:52<demo>Hello, I am trying MX Linux for the first time: my task manager is showing that I am using 556 mb of RAM while htop reports more-why might that be?
14:52<r4fkramer>Fine Linux-Fan
14:52<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: I have also heard that occasionally there is some sort of hardware or firmware switch like [FN]-[Fsomething] to switch the webcam.
14:52<r4fkramer>In this case, there is no information about it
14:53<r4fkramer>I tried to use this key, and with combination to other key, with no result
14:53<r4fkramer>Probably it is damaged
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14:53<Linux-Fan>demo: https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ -- there are different ways to count memory on Linux
14:54<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: Yes, or not supported on Linux at all :(
14:54<Linux-Fan>demo: If you want a third opinion, use command `free -h`
14:54<r4fkramer>Strange, in recent past, It was working. After some repair in motherboard, it has disappeared....
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14:55<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: That makes a hardware issue all the more likely. Especially if you did not change anything relevant on the Debian side.
14:56<r4fkramer>No, in fact I didn't do any change on the Debian side. Debian works precisely and always rock solid here.
14:56<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: Glad to hear that :)
14:57<r4fkramer>Yes Linux-Fan, Debian never disappointed me. But, probably anyone has damaged this webcam
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15:00<Noisytoot>!mxlinux
15:00<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
15:00<Noisytoot>demo, ^
15:01<demo>^^ Yes
15:01<demo>?
15:01<demo>ah yes ty
15:01<Noisytoot>This channel is about Debian, not MX Linux
15:01<somiaj>demo: read the factoid, mxlinux is not supported here, follow the instructions for their support.
15:02<demo>ok ty
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15:08<sarnold>redbrass: yay! :D cool cool
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15:10<avivace>Hi, I'm trying to install Steam but after running " dpkg --add-architecture i386" , "apt install steam" wants to uninstall half of my KDE plasma desktop.. I'm sure this never happened before
15:10<avivace>However, `aptitude install steam` seems to have a sensible solution (it just installs the 32bits dependencies..)
15:10<avivace>Any idea why this is happening?
15:11<Linux-Fan>avivace: Have you done `apt update` before the install?
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15:13<avivace>Linux-Fan: yep, I did, it's very strange
15:14<Linux-Fan>avivace: Indeed. I have no idea why it would be doing this -- I am using `aptitude` for just about everything except for some scripts :)
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15:19<avivace>I remember this never happpening, I have two other notebooks with Debian and apt never behaved like this, I think I may have messed it up somewhere but I don't have any idea on how to investigate this
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15:20<Linux-Fan>avivace: When apt behaves strangely, it is often related to pinning settings. I never use them, though...
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15:25<jmcnaught>!bat
15:25<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:25<avivace_> /msg dpkg apt suite changed
15:25<jmcnaught>avivace_: if you provide ^ information using https://paste.debian.net/ it could help troubleshoot the issue
15:26<avivace_>jmcnaught: thanks, will try to get this information
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17:35<zeus>hey there !
17:36<Sqrt{not}>hey, zeus
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17:40<zeus>the firdt time on HexChat , Any help !!>
17:41<sney>!new2irc
17:41<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
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17:41<zeus>alright !!!
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17:42<zeus>so ,where to begin from please !!
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17:43<sarnold>you can just hang out and see what questions people ask
17:43<sarnold>or chat in #debian-offtopic
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17:43<zeus>ok , thnx arnold ,
17:43<sarnold>there's thousands of irc channels, scattered around hundreds of irc networks
17:44<sarnold>zeus: btw most clients let you do tab completion -- try typing sar<tab> and see if that completes to my nickname
17:44<zeus>sarnold,
17:44<zeus>yes it does !!
17:44<zeus>regards !!
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17:55<sarnold>zeus: cool :)
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19:34<dez98dv>Hello, i've a problem with kvm, i've no internet in vm by "Default NAT"
19:34<dez98dv>where is the problem?
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19:55<dez98dv__>help me please
19:56<sarnold>you'll hve to describe more what you've done, what results you got, etc
19:57<dez98dv__>sarnold, I just created a vm and I don't have internet on it
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19:59<sarnold>dez98dv__: what does it mean to not have internet/
20:00<dvs>no wifi?
20:01<dez98dv__>on the host pc i'm in wifi it works, but on the vm nothing
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20:05<sney>how are you testing it on the guest? do you get an ip address, can you ping the host? or are you going straight to websites/apt?
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20:08<dez98dv__>i try to browse firefox. the virtual machine does not manage to have anything, it puts disconnected
20:08<sney>ok, then check the first things I mentioned.
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20:10<dez98dv__>I did not understand the suite
20:13<wheeler>Why does running `uname -i` return "unknown"?
20:14<wheeler>I have an installer script that isn't running because it is expecting `uname -i` to return something like "x86_64"
20:15<wheeler>Is there a package I'm missing on my Debian Bullseye install?
20:15<dvs>wheeler: uname -m ?
20:16<wheeler>It might well be the installer script being obtuse :-P
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20:16<gateway2000>uname -i returns unknown here too
20:16<wheeler>But the installer worked on Ubuntu -- which is fairly debian-like
20:16<wheeler>Yeah, here on my personal computer too
20:16<wheeler>weird...
20:17<dez98dv__>sney, I did not understand the suite
20:17<sney>dez98dv__: suite?
20:17<wheeler>I can edit the install script but just wanted to get a consensus here to make sure I'm not missing something
20:17<dez98dv__>sney, after in your message
20:18<sney>dez98dv__: do you have an ip address in the guest? can it ping other computers on your network?
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20:20<dez98dv__>in the guest no
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20:21<dez98dv__>no ping
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20:21<sney>then you probably skipped a step while setting up the vm. shut it down, go back to your kvm settings and manual, and check everything.
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20:21<sney>if you want more help, then pastebin whole configs/program output.
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20:22<dez98dv__>sney, The network is inaccessible
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20:22<sney>that doesn't change anything I just told you.
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20:23<dez98dv__>sney, I have changed anything I left everything by default
20:25<dez98dv__>sney, I translate Google Translation then defoose we do not always understand, I do not see what you want me to do
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20:27<wheeler>dvs: Thanks for uname -m -- sed -i 's/uname -i/uname -m/' worked!
20:27<dvs>np
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20:32<sney>dez98dv__: 1) stop your vm guest. 2) open the configuration on your host. 3) verify the network settings on the *host*.
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20:33<dez98dv__>sney, I tested everything "Nat" which is by default, Bridged etc. Nothing does, I also create a network. The same
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20:33<sney>dez98dv__: I cannot see your screen. I do not know what is "default" on your computer.
20:33<sney>dez98dv__: regardless, obviously it is not working. try a different setting than "default"
20:33<dez98dv__>sney, default nat
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20:34<sney>dez98dv__: finally, if you want more help, use pastebin or screenshots. I cannot help you accurately if I am guessing at what you see on your screen.
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20:36<dez98dv__>sney, https://ibb.co/fD9hKY8
20:36<sney>FINALLY, we learn that you are using virt-manager.
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20:37<sney>mon fucking dieu. anyway
20:37<dez98dv__>ah I thought it was kvm
20:37<dez98dv__>xd
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20:38<sney>KVM is the technology, virt-manager is the program you use to configure it.
20:39<dez98dv__>awa
20:40<dez98dv__>i'm a fuckin noob
20:40<dez98dv__>lol
20:40<sney>close this window. go to the main virt-manager window. double-click "QEMU/KVM" above your list of guests. go to the second tab. click your network, the window will look like this, press the start button circled. https://i.ibb.co/ZcPDxLB/image.png
20:41<sney>if you want this enabled every time, check the autostart box too.
20:42<dez98dv__>sney, I can not click Start, it seems already started
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20:43<dez98dv__>autostart only activate by default
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20:43<sney>does it say state: active?
20:44<dez98dv__>sney, yes
20:45<sney>then this should work fine. start your guest and test it again.
20:45<sney>if your guest is already running, reboot it.
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20:47<dez98dv__>sney, I did not touch anything it was already activated and I already redemarked several times
20:48<sney>do you want to argue, or do you want to fix it?
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20:50<dez98dv__>sney, Yes I just reboot it, it's the same thing
20:50<sney>dez98dv__: now open a terminal on the guest, and type 'ip a', and then type 'ping 192.168.122.1'
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20:52<dez98dv__>ping connect the network is unrecheable
20:52<dez98dv__>not accessible
20:52<sney>what was the result of the first command? you can screenshot.
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20:54<dez98dv__>https://ibb.co/b6yf3X8
20:54<sney>ifup ens1
20:56<dez98dv__>the command ifup is not found
20:56<sney>as root, or with sudo
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20:56<dez98dv__>same
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20:56<somiaj>dez98dv__: do you have ifupdown installed?
20:56<sney>what is this image? if you installed the guest from a debian installer you would have this.
20:57<dez98dv__>xubuntu
20:57<sney>lol. sigh
20:57<dez98dv__>no apparently
20:57<sarnold>haha
20:57<sney>dez98dv__: and now you understand why #debian only supports debian.
20:57<sney>maybe there is a #ubuntu-fr on freenode
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20:58<sarnold>there is
20:58<sarnold>dez98dv__: this may help https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc/
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20:58<dez98dv__>sney, the problem does not come from the virtual machine in either, I had the same problem with a virtual machine Fedora and Debian
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20:59<dez98dv__>it comes from KVM on the host
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20:59<dez98dv__>it's work on virtualbox
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20:59<sney>dez98dv__: do not treat me like an idiot. I use virt-manager all the time, if this was a debian guest, it would now be working. you need to configure the network from your ubuntu guest, and to do that, you need to look at the ubuntu manual, or ask an ubuntu channel.
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21:01<dez98dv__>sney, I'm not treating you idiot I just said that with other distributions I have the same problem
21:01<sney>dez98dv__: and you are an expert now, you know that the problem is KVM on the host?
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21:02<sney>dez98dv__: go to an ubuntu channel on freenode, show them the screenshot, they can help you configure the network.
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21:02<dez98dv__>sney, It's a deduction, I'm wrong can be
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21:04<dez98dv__>sney, OK thanks anyway
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