| --- | Log | opened Tue May 18 00:00:50 2021 |
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| 00:09 | -!- | jm_ is "." on #debian |
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| 00:38 | -!- | amieiro is "amieiro" on #debian-next #debian @#posdojo @#oo |
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| 00:43 | -!- | ax562 is "realname" on #linux #debian #debian-next |
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| 00:59 | -!- | Zachary_DuBois is "Zachary DuBois" on #virt #qemu #oftc #linode #debian #ceph |
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| 01:26 | -!- | adam120 is "adam12" on #debian |
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| 01:26 | -!- | asdf is "realname" on #debian |
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| 01:34 | -!- | andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan |
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| 01:46 | -!- | zleap is "realname" on #minidebconf-online #debian-academy #debian |
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| 01:46 | -!- | CuZnDragon is "Unknown" on #debian #debian-next #qemu #virt |
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| 02:11 | -!- | debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian #debian-devel-changes |
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| 02:24 | -!- | milkt_ is "debian" on #debian-games #debian-next #debian |
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| 03:48 | -!- | trylam is "PEREZ Estelle" on #debian |
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| 03:50 | -!- | dduck is "dduck" on #debian #mobian |
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| 03:56 | -!- | gtristan is "Tristan van Berkom" on #debian-next #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian |
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| 03:59 | -!- | jayjo- is "ZNC - https://znc.in" on #virt #debian #qemu |
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| 04:03 | -!- | chipps is "chipps" on #debian #spectrwm |
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| 04:04 | -!- | zlatan is "Zlatan Todoric" on #debian |
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| 04:09 | -!- | chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian |
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| 04:09 | -!- | serkan is "realname" on #debian |
| 04:09 | -!- | serkan is now known as serkan1212 |
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| 04:15 | -!- | gabriel1 is "Gabx" on #security #retroshare #Qubes_OS #i2p #debian |
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| 04:27 | -!- | lunc is "omnd" on #debian #oftc #help |
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| 04:34 | -!- | Blacker47 is "Blacker47" on #debian-next #debian |
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| 04:37 | -!- | chele is "chele" on #debian #debian-next |
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| 04:54 | -!- | drzacek is "realname" on #packaging #linux-rt #debian-next #debian |
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| 04:54 | -!- | drzacek is "realname" on #packaging #linux-rt #debian-next #debian |
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| 05:03 | -!- | kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #packaging #debian #debian-ai #debian-next #debian-meeting |
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| 05:08 | -!- | tomg is "Tom Goulet" on #debian |
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| 05:11 | -!- | aby is "Aby" on #debian |
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| 05:25 | -!- | snorlax is "sim" on #debian |
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| 05:27 | -!- | freshtube is "realname" on #redditprivacy #debian |
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| 05:27 | -!- | snorlax is "sim" on #debian |
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| 05:28 | -!- | snorlax is "sim" on #debian |
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| 07:15 | <pgimeno> | should I upgrade sources.list to use https instead of http? I've seen notes about adding support for https in the changelogs, but the installer-generated sources.list (when I installed a fresh Buster in the virtual machine) uses http |
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| 07:20 | <mayhew> | pgimeno: it's not really necessary unless you're concerned about someone watching the network for what you download with apt |
| 07:21 | <pgimeno> | it more about ensuring that no MITM injects unwanted packages |
| 07:21 | <avu> | pgimeno: apt protects against that without needing TLS |
| 07:21 | <pgimeno> | oh ok |
| 07:22 | <avu> | also, I'd wager package sizes are unique enough that someone watching the network can deduce what packages you download even with TLS |
| 07:22 | <mayhew> | yup, the packages are signed via GPG / fancy crypto which is better at preventing MITM than HTTPS |
| 07:22 | <mayhew> | the only downside of HTTP is that people can see the traffic in clear text, but I personally don't care if someone sees my apt traffic lol |
| 07:22 | <ava> | isn't https-apt gpg + tls? |
| 07:23 | <avu> | ava: apt-transport-https doesn't disable the existing mechanisms if that's what you mean, it just adds HTTPS on top of everything |
| 07:24 | <ava> | yeah, that's objectively better then, from my pov |
| 07:24 | <ava> | ofc a commercial provider like an average ISP will snoop on your traffic |
| 07:24 | <ava> | don't see why one wouldn't want to https ones apt up |
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| 07:24 | <avu> | ava: it's not that easy to come up with a threat model where adding https on top of what apt does adds meaningful security |
| 07:25 | <pgimeno> | are the package lists also signed? I mean the ones you download with apt-get update |
| 07:25 | <avu> | although I seem to remember there was a bug in apt once that did make it relevant |
| 07:25 | <avu> | pgimeno: they are |
| 07:25 | <pgimeno> | k |
| 07:26 | <pgimeno> | then yeah, my concern was about authenticity, not traffic snooping |
| 07:26 | <ava> | avau: yeah i heard of that as well. Isn't that why interest in https-apt is regaining momentum again? |
| 07:26 | <ava> | avu* |
| 07:26 | <mayhew> | I wonder if it's time for Debian to reevaluate their position on whether sources.list should default to HTTPS. TLS is so cheap these days it shouldn't increase the burden on mirrors very much I'd assume. |
| 07:26 | <erle-> | ava, APT is not secure, because an attacker can respond to apt-update with «unchanged» |
| 07:27 | <erle-> | avu |
| 07:28 | <avu> | erle-: Not sure what you mean, apt downloads the package list on update, there is no service on the other side that responds with the individual changes for the querying system |
| 07:28 | <erle-> | avu, there is, HTTP header, if package is unchanged |
| 07:28 | <erle-> | just run it twice and look at it |
| 07:29 | <erle-> | attackers can prevent you from discovering updates |
| 07:29 | <avu> | erle-: ah, you mean the normal HTTP cache control headers? Do you have any source on how those can be used to attack apt? |
| 07:29 | <erle-> | HTTPS is not a good solution though |
| 07:29 | <erle-> | but it is an open issue |
| 07:30 | <erle-> | avu, if you run apt update twice without a change of package list, the second time it will respond with 304 Not Modified |
| 07:30 | <erle-> | so the attack is trivial: just substitute all responses to apt |
| 07:30 | <erle-> | 's HTTP requests with 304 not modified |
| 07:33 | <ava> | earle-: are you saying this is a particular fault of apt? Any other package managers that do a better job on security in your view? |
| 07:34 | <avu> | erle-: if an attacker can intercept traffic, that might be a more subtle attack than just stopping the requests, true. Again, do you have any source on this working with apt-transport-http? |
| 07:34 | <erle-> | I tested it myself |
| 07:34 | <erle-> | it is ancient issue, and comes up in any ftp vs http vs https discussion |
| 07:34 | <avu> | did you file a bug or document it somewhere else? |
| 07:34 | <erle-> | I am not advocating HTTPS for mirrors though |
| 07:34 | <erle-> | it would solve it, but it would have side effects |
| 07:34 | <erle-> | mirror operation would be much harder |
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| 07:38 | <pgimeno> | it seems my mirror does not support https: https://ftp.at.debian.org/ |
| 07:39 | <avu> | a Schluchtenschaßer |
| 07:39 | <ava> | Yeah it seems to be a very limited number of mirrors that do |
| 07:42 | <ava> | Anyone run into the systemd service bug "active (exited)"? |
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| 07:44 | <erle-> | ETH Zürich does not support TLS either |
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| 07:51 | <ava> | Is there a way to 'reset' an application's config settings to the OS's (debian version) default, from cli? Like for example 'apt reset ufw' or 'apt reset apparmor' or something |
| 07:54 | <aby> | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 07:55 | <aby> | maybe this help you dpkg-reconfigure - reconfigure an already installed package |
| 07:55 | <Guest4002> | ? |
| 07:55 | <Guest4002> | ? |
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| 07:59 | <jm_> | ava: you can install it using dpkg and its force options, but this won't work for all packages |
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| 08:10 | <ava> | Thank you for the replies, will continue to failtest in half an hour with these tips |
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| 08:59 | <sonce> | Hi, i have a few diff installations (trying to get the onboard graphics working, all failed), and im about to plug in a graphic card. which one do i go to: 4.19 or 5.12 ? |
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| 09:25 | <ava> | Is it expected behavior to not have ufw at "active (exited)", due to it being a "oneshot" service? What about no firewalls (either frontends like ufw, or iptables or nftables) being listed in System Monitor, while other cli system applications like systemd and pulseaudio are listed there? |
| 09:26 | <ava> | Is it expected behavior to have* |
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| 09:44 | <pgimeno> | the upgrade is successfully finished in all respects, thanks again everyone who helped! |
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| 09:51 | <metreo> | hello all you fine people, has anyone noticed issues with watch producing garbage? pastbin incoming |
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| 09:52 | <metreo> | this is what I get watching top: https://paste.debian.net/1197985/ |
| 09:53 | <metreo> | in both alacritty and xfceterminal |
| 09:53 | <metreo> | guess I could try xterm |
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| 09:55 | <metreo> | xterm is also the same |
| 09:55 | <metreo> | ie not working :/ |
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| 10:34 | <RoyK> | metreo: I'm not sure if that is a bug ;) top uses a lot of ANSI codes and it refreshes itself nicely, so no reason to use watch |
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| 10:35 | <metreo> | it does similar for processes that don't update |
| 10:36 | <metreo> | https://paste.debian.net/1197991/ |
| 10:36 | <metreo> | there is garbage here in the string ^]11;?^\ |
| 10:37 | <metreo> | I just pointed to watch in my own ignorance but you are right RoyK |
| 10:37 | <metreo> | top is a poor example |
| 10:39 | <RoyK> | metreo: in top, just type s to set the update frequency |
| 10:39 | <rjsalts> | if I have uefi secure boot with shim and grub and I've messed things up by moving my efi partition around a bit. I'm in linux but am going to reinstall grub, so grub-install --boot-directory=/boot --uefi-secure-boot /dev/... |
| 10:39 | <rjsalts> | what should the dev be? |
| 10:40 | <RoyK> | rjsalts: check with lsblk |
| 10:40 | <rjsalts> | hd with debian /boot? hd with efi parition? somewhere else? |
| 10:41 | <RoyK> | efi partition iirc |
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| 10:52 | <rjsalts> | as it turns out I just needed grub-install on its own |
| 10:54 | <RoyK> | ah |
| 10:54 | <RoyK> | nice |
| 10:54 | <rjsalts> | but efibootmgr has 2 boot entries for "debian" \EFI\DEBIAN\SHIMX64.EFI and \EFI\DEBIAN\GRUBX64.EFI |
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| 10:54 | <rjsalts> | any way to remove the 2nd one which doesn't work with secure boot? |
| 10:54 | <rjsalts> | just efibootmgr -b 0007 -B? |
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| 10:55 | <rjsalts> | where that's the one with grubx64.efi |
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| 12:05 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all, Please, is there no way to install cPanel on Debian? |
| 12:05 | <bremner> | did you ask cPanel? |
| 12:05 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, bremner |
| 12:05 | <bremner> | and what did they say? |
| 12:06 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: better learn to administer linux from the commandline ;) |
| 12:06 | <r4fkramer> | I didn't understand about "they". I just saw this comment in some articles |
| 12:06 | <bremner> | so, you did not seek help in the official cPanel support channels? |
| 12:07 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, RoyK, agree, I tend to learn and practice in Debian through command line. |
| 12:07 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: you won't regret it. webbased admin software can never do everything so you'll end up using the commandline in the end, after all |
| 12:07 | <r4fkramer> | No, I have some articles describing its configuration in RHEL and CentOS. But, my doubt is about this application being installed in Debian. |
| 12:08 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, RoyK, agree |
| 12:08 | <bremner> | r4fkramer: if some software is not in Debian, then you should ask the author / vendor of that software |
| 12:08 | <RoyK> | AFAICS it's made for rhel and friends and those distros are quite different from debian |
| 12:08 | <r4fkramer> | In this case, is just a curiosity about cPanel in Debian. I never substitute command line |
| 12:09 | <RoyK> | so if you manage to install cpanel on debian, it'll probably mess things up rather badly |
| 12:10 | <RoyK> | !free whcp |
| 12:10 | <dpkg> | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 12:10 | <RoyK> | if you really want to spend time on that instead of learning linux the hard way ;) |
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| 12:12 | <r4fkramer> | No RoyK, in fact it's not my intention - I made this observation above - I always tend to learn Debian Administration, that means managing the OS through command line, not any framework or similar application - that's why I never used Yast in openSUSE |
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| 12:15 | <r4fkramer> | In fact, I never replaced Debian with any other Linux Distro or any other UNIX-Like. As I noted, it was just a curiosity. |
| 12:16 | <RoyK> | I understand |
| 12:16 | <r4fkramer> | I thought about this cPanel issue after thinking about the SELinux case, which is activated by default in CentOS, but it is not in Debian, although it is available in CentOS through its official repository. |
| 12:17 | <r4fkramer> | The analogy is not accurate, but I think You understand me RoyK :) |
| 12:18 | <r4fkramer> | correction: "although it is available in Debian too, through its official repository" |
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| 12:21 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: what you could do, is try to collect the best part of known distros and create a new one to fix it all. It'll probably be like this https://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| 12:28 | <jhutchin1> | I cut my teeth on this: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/running-linux-5th/0596007604/ |
| 12:29 | <jhutchin1> | I haven't seen the 2005 edition, it may be a bit dated, and it was originally writen for (and distributed with) Red Hat, but it's probably still a good primer. |
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| 12:35 | <sarnold> | r4fkramer: these kinds of control panels are almost always intended for one distribution like red hat linux 7 or something and fail pretty bad when run on something like rhel 7 or centos 8 or debian or whatever. it's best to learn tools that work better in your chosen environment, or choose your environment to match the tools |
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| 12:48 | <jhutchin1> | One of the problems with systems like webmin is that they don't just update the standard configuration files, they insert a layer that manages the configuration and overrides the files. When they break (and they do) it's very difficult to find where the breakage is and fix it. |
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| 12:49 | <jhutchin1> | I have had to manage a small ISP using webmin for clients that were barely literate in Windows/Mac, and it really is easier to have the client request a change and to do it for them than to let them play with a web manager. |
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| 12:59 | <r4fkramer> | RoyK, I understand your suggestion; but, if it was a suggestion what you did, in my case it doesn’t make much sense, since I like Debian very much, and I don’t see the need for a hypothetical Distro to bring together the best parts of those already known, to put together customized and replacement package for Debian. |
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| 13:02 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: sorry - please see the xkcd link I gave you. I was being rather ironic |
| 13:02 | <r4fkramer> | Sure, sarnold, agree. In fact, as I said before, it was just a curiosity. I tend to emphasize command line in my learning. I never worried about looking for some substitute application to the command line, to learn how to administer a Debian System. |
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| 13:02 | <jhutchin1> | !handbook |
| 13:02 | <dpkg> | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 13:03 | <r4fkramer> | RoyK... ironic....I see, I'll check your link in few minutes, thank you |
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| 13:03 | <r4fkramer> | jhutchin1, I have this manual both in english, portuguese and spanishi translation. I read some parts of it |
| 13:03 | <r4fkramer> | and Debian Reference also |
| 13:04 | <r4fkramer> | Well, RoyK, let me open https://xkcd.com/927/ now.... |
| 13:06 | <r4fkramer> | Oh, yeah, that's the origin of hundreds of distros nowadays, lol |
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| 13:06 | <r4fkramer> | Good joke, RoyK, thank you for that :) |
| 13:07 | <jhutchin1> | Yeah, I have a whole box of micro-usb cables and only one device that can use them. Everything is c/3 now. |
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| 13:09 | <RoyK> | except those old arduino nanos with USB mini |
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| 13:16 | <Sqrt{Not}> | No, the good stuff need C 3.2 or higher. I just charge everything wirelessly, and use IrDA for data |
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| 13:20 | <Guest4015> | ok |
| 13:21 | <RoyK> | Sqrt{Not}: IrDA? Are you from the past? ;) |
| 13:21 | <Guest4015> | who |
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| 13:22 | <Guest4015> | https://www.google.com |
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| 13:27 | <jhutchin1> | QI seems to hvae fallen out of fashion. Niether my wife's Samsung nor my Motorola support it. My old, mostly dead Turbo2 did. |
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| 13:29 | <jhutchin1> | Sqrt{Not}: I was talking about the physical connectors. There are four or more protocols that use the symetrical micro connector. |
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| 13:52 | <TimMc> | I kind of miss infrared. It was cool as hell in Palm Pilots. :-) |
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| 14:08 | <sarnold> | it was cool as hell with hp48 calculators too; write something neat? share it with your pals with a few taps |
| 14:09 | <jhutchin1> | I keep trying to use the arrow keys on my laptop to control the TV. |
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| 14:14 | <sarnold> | "this worked with my pda" |
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| 15:47 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | hi |
| 15:47 | <sney> | hi |
| 15:47 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | is this debian support? |
| 15:47 | <sney> | yes |
| 15:48 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | thanks! i have a question. |
| 15:49 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i've upgraded from debian 9 to debian 10, i have 2 acct administrator & root, this is local server so i just use pw 123456, since update i cannot su, or su- |
| 15:49 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i can login with administrator which is limited does not have access as root |
| 15:49 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | do you know why this is |
| 15:50 | <sney> | there is a change in su behavior in buster, but it should still work. what happens when you try? |
| 15:50 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | su: Authentication Failure |
| 15:51 | <somiaj> | are you sure you are using the root password and not the administrator password? |
| 15:52 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | before the update i had same password for administator & root |
| 15:52 | <somiaj> | Hmm, I cannot think of why a password would no longer work, do you have sudo installed and setup by chance? |
| 15:52 | <sney> | is there a timeout between enter and 'authentication failure' or does it return right away? it could be a pam issue |
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| 15:54 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | administrator@server:~$ sudo -V -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 15:54 | <somiaj> | just 'sudo -i' |
| 15:54 | <jhutchin1> | circ-user-Zgibn: Can you log in directly? |
| 15:55 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | yes there is about 5 seconds timeout after i enter password |
| 15:55 | <jhutchin1> | circ-user-Zgibn: There should be a space between su and - |
| 15:55 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | when I do "sudo -i" -bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 15:56 | <somiaj> | oh I missunderstood, I thought -bash was a flag. Yea, I would try jhutchin1 suggestion |
| 15:56 | <jhutchin1> | circ-user-Zgibn: Did this work before? |
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| 15:57 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | with "su -" i get su: Authentication failure |
| 15:57 | <somiaj> | The suggestion was to login from a tty, not using su |
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| 15:58 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i cannot login directly, I get: Permission denied, please try again. |
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| 16:01 | <jhutchins> | !ifrp |
| 16:01 | <dpkg> | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:01 | <somiaj> | There are ways to boot using things like init=/bin/bash or use a live system where you could go reset the root password, and see if that works. and there the bot gave you one |
| 16:03 | <jhutchins> | circ-user-Zgibn: Somehow the password has changed. |
| 16:03 | <somiaj> | that could be tested (though probably have to be root) by looking at the hash in /etc/shadow, it could also be as sney wonder if pam is having issues with root. |
| 16:04 | <somiaj> | this of course is only due to that they said the admin and root password are the same. |
| 16:05 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i dont recall changing the password for root or administrator accts |
| 16:06 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | is this recommended fix: For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); |
| 16:06 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | to change root password |
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| 16:07 | <somiaj> | yes that is a way to change the password if you can boot the system with init=/bin/sh, another option is to use a live image. |
| 16:07 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | jhutchin1, thanks! yes I was able to "su" before the update |
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| 16:16 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i'll give it a try... |
| 16:16 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | can root password still be 123456 |
| 16:17 | <sney> | it's not very secure, but that should still be accepted |
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| 16:21 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | login: root |
| 16:21 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | passwrod: 123456 |
| 16:21 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i get login incorrect |
| 16:21 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | directly on the server |
| 16:21 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | why is this? |
| 16:21 | <ryouma> | is this the first time you tried it? |
| 16:22 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | no |
| 16:22 | <ryouma> | i mean, did it work before, at the same type of login prompt? |
| 16:23 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | before update debian 9 to 10 it worked |
| 16:23 | <sney> | just for giggles, when you change it, try 1234567 |
| 16:24 | <ryouma> | ignorant q ,but is it possible that the upgrade got rid of the root account or some such thing? |
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| 16:26 | <ryouma> | does it work if you do su - from user cli? |
| 16:26 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | no |
| 16:27 | <sney> | I am guessing some pam changes between stretch and buster garbled that insecure password somehow. there may be an existing bug report about it |
| 16:28 | <sney> | anyway, recovery boot to change the password should fix it. |
| 16:29 | <sarnold> | it'd probably be worth investigating a bit once you've rebooted rather than just blindly trying to reset the password -- doublecheck the PAM configs, see what settings are required, doublecheck the password hash in /etc/shadow and see if it matches the current settings, see if there are other hashes in the file that need to be updated, etc |
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| 16:33 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i tried changing pw to 1234567 i cannot i get authentication token manupulation error |
| 16:33 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | same issue if i try w/ strict pw |
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| 16:46 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | any ideas how to fix: "authentication token manipulation error" on debian 10 google results not so promising |
| 16:47 | <sarnold> | yeah that doesn't feel like a problem that has a simple solution |
| 16:47 | <sney> | maybe reinstall the libpam* packages |
| 16:48 | <sarnold> | you'll have to figure out which PAM module is reporting that message and then look through the databases that it's using, what resources it uses, etc, and go fix whatever is wrong with them |
| 16:50 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | sarnold, thanks! |
| 16:50 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | can i reinstall libpam* packages w/o root access |
| 16:51 | <sney> | no, but you can get root access with init=/bin/sh or with a rescue environment chroot. |
| 16:51 | <sarnold> | no, you'll have to reboot into single user or init=/bin/bash for that |
| 16:51 | <sney> | steps 1-3 of the root password reset instructions above will do it |
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| 16:57 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | i am already in single user mode, when i "apt-get install libpam*"i get: could not open lock file |
| 16:58 | <sarnold> | hmm, normally that's caused by unattended-upgrades or something similar, but I wouldn't expect that to start in single user mode. maybe it does? |
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| 17:22 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | sarnold, how would I do this: "ou'll have to figure out which PAM module is reporting that message and then look through the databases that it's using, what resources it uses, etc, and go fix whatever is wrong with them"? |
| 17:24 | <sney> | start by looking for info in syslog, and/or auth.log |
| 17:25 | <sarnold> | circ-user-Zgibn: pick one of the pam services that shows this error, read its /etc/pam.d/ configuration, and try removing / replacing the modules one at a time, test, and narrow down which module is giving you trouble; then you could read the sources, or use opensnoop, or something ismilar to figure out which resources it's using, and then figure out what's wrong with those resources |
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| 17:34 | <circ-user-Zgibn> | thanks sney & sarnold, also any idea how to fix "could not open lock file" |
| 17:35 | <sney> | stop the unattended-upgrades service, close any running apt/dpkg processes |
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| 17:49 | <sappheiros> | if I make a loan repayment cost program, could it go into Economics at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/ ? |
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| 17:51 | <abrotman> | sappheiros: perhaps, though, I'd think you could do that with a macro in Libreoffice/Calc? |
| 17:52 | * | sappheiros reads https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/CG4.1/PDF/CG4112-CalcMacros.pdf |
| 17:54 | <sarnold> | though a 4kb python program might be more approachable than a few hundred megabytes of libreoffice packages just to run one spreadsheet |
| 17:54 | <sarnold> | I wonder if sc could do it? :) |
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| 17:55 | <sappheiros> | I'm thinking something fancier than a spreadsheet brute-force method ... What is sc? |
| 17:55 | <abrotman> | there is/was gnucash |
| 17:55 | <sney> | it's reasonable to assume that most people hoping to use their computer to manage personal finances will already have libreoffice installed. |
| 17:56 | <sney> | but, a specialized tool would still be more unix-y. |
| 17:56 | <sappheiros> | That does raise a question: What's the proper logic to determine whether something should be done in Calc or Python? |
| 17:56 | <abrotman> | judd: info gnucash |
| 17:56 | <judd> | Package gnucash (gnome, optional) in buster/amd64: personal and small-business financial-accounting software. Version: 1:3.4-1+b10; Size: 4341.6k; Installed: 22199k; Homepage: http://www.gnucash.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnucash; RFH: #910059 |
| 17:56 | <sarnold> | sappheiros: sc is a spreadsheet tool from the ancient times, hehe |
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| 17:56 | <abrotman> | sappheiros: Whichever you prefer |
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| 17:57 | * | sappheiros investigates https://gnucash.org/ |
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| 17:58 | <abrotman> | apparently you can just import one of the several loan calculation thingamajigs into Calc, and off you go |
| 17:59 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: is your goal to write you own loan repayment program (what sort of features does it have?), or write something to get into debian? |
| 17:59 | <sney> | and such a tool already existing doesn't eclipse the need for another one, if there's something that can be done cleaner or a different approach, etc |
| 17:59 | <somiaj> | and if your goal is write your own, have you looked at what is already out there, as mentioned here, and what would your software do differently? |
| 17:59 | <sappheiros> | abrotman, what loan calc thingamajig to import into Calc? |
| 18:00 | <sappheiros> | gnucash seems rather for business transaction recording, not calculating loan cost under various repayment conditions |
| 18:00 | <abrotman> | you can google "libreoffice loan repayment schedule" and you'll see what I mean |
| 18:00 | <abrotman> | right, just because one exists doesn't mean you can't create a newer/betterer one |
| 18:00 | <sappheiros> | i would want any program I write to wind up in the official repository so it might help more than just me |
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| 18:03 | <sappheiros> | does the swirl icon in Synaptic Package Manager mean it's being officially maintained by a Debian maintainer? |
| 18:03 | <sappheiros> | (I'm impressed that dogecoin is in there...) |
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| 18:05 | <Phedro> | irc.breadofgod.org |
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| 18:08 | <sappheiros> | I'm not seeing quite what I want from this preliminary LibreOffice/Excel search ... I'm thinking to write a program that will both visualize and estimate cost of paying off multiple loans by a particular date. |
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| 18:10 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: well I think you are getting ahead of yourself. I think researching other software that does what you want and deciding if you want something more specialized or to fill a different use case is fine. After that write your software and release it, once that is done then you can start to consider going through the process of getting it in debian. |
| 18:10 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: though note if you end up using python, just publishing it on something like github is a good place to start as users can find it and use it. |
| 18:11 | <sappheiros> | 'release it'? Should I put it on Github? |
| 18:11 | <sappheiros> | mm. |
| 18:11 | <sappheiros> | okay, thanks ... I suppose I should write the program, put it on github, and then see about a debian sponsor? |
| 18:11 | <somiaj> | packages in debian have to come from some upstream release, so github is probably the easist for most people |
| 18:12 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: yea, once you have softaware that is correctly licensed (to meet the DFSG) and released with a clear upstream, then you can (provided you want to the be the matainer) make a debian package and follow the instructions on mentors.debian.net to see if any sponsors think it would benifit debian to include it |
| 18:12 | <somiaj> | but I think that is a bit ahead of where you are at which is first developing and releasing the software (github to me would be the easiest to release it on) |
| 18:13 | <somiaj> | gitlab is an alternative if you don't like github, there are other options, but each with its own pros/cons. |
| 18:14 | * | sappheiros checks https://usersnap.com/blog/gitlab-github/ |
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| 18:16 | <sappheiros> | gitlab looks like a solution for experts who run into a problem with github |
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| 18:19 | <somiaj> | There could also be social/philosphical views, in terms of which corp you like/trust. |
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| 18:19 | <somiaj> | But that is beyond this, I was just pointing out you do need someplace to release the software and host the source code. |
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| 18:40 | <hwpplayer1> | hi people! Now I have a Git account and a registered IRC Account here |
| 18:40 | <sarnold> | wb hwpplayer1 :) |
| 18:40 | <hwpplayer1> | I am working on OFTC Network Services itslef |
| 18:40 | <hwpplayer1> | sarnold: From Canonical right ? |
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| 18:41 | <sarnold> | hwpplayer1: yes |
| 18:41 | <hwpplayer1> | Are you a Debian contributor ? |
| 18:41 | <hwpplayer1> | *itself |
| 18:41 | <sarnold> | hwpplayer1: not really; I respond to bug reports and mail posts and irc discussions, but I'm not a DM or DD |
| 18:42 | <hwpplayer1> | Understood we have common source code maybe which is why you are here |
| 18:42 | <sarnold> | well, that, and I'm everywhere |
| 18:42 | <hwpplayer1> | like me |
| 18:42 | <sarnold> | exactly |
| 18:43 | <hwpplayer1> | May I send a pm to you ? |
| 18:43 | <sarnold> | sure |
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| 19:51 | <sappheiros> | My desktop keeps resuming from sleep and I don't know why. How do I troubleshoot or resolve this problem? |
| 19:51 | <sappheiros> | i.e. I put it to sleep, go to bed, and by the time I'm up the next morning I see something has caused it to wake |
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| 20:04 | <sney> | the vast majority of the time, it's something triggering a normal wakeup. such as vibration, cat, etc |
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| 20:11 | <sappheiros> | Okay. I will try unplugging the mouse and keyboard immediately after initiating sleep. |
| 20:11 | <sappheiros> | Does it wake from an Ethernet cable signal? |
| 20:12 | <somiaj> | cat is often a culprit |
| 20:13 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: yes network can wake machines as well, maybe check your firmware settings (bios) |
| 20:15 | <sappheiros> | that's a bit troubling, because i don't know a good reason something would be sending an Internet signal to my machine when i'm not using IRC or firefox ... |
| 20:15 | <somiaj> | it most likely isn't the case, I'm just saying some firmware can, and this si configurable in the firmare (bios) |
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| 20:18 | <sappheiros> | hmmm .... okay thanks ... |
| 20:19 | <sappheiros> | How do I suggest adding to Synaptic Package Manager, that grisbi Package should have some comment indicating it's French, not English? |
| 20:19 | <sappheiros> | or is it not debian custom to indicate when things are not English? |
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| 20:22 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: is it only in french, or does it include multiple translations? |
| 20:23 | <sappheiros> | only French it looks to me, though the site advertising it is English |
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| 20:24 | <somiaj> | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/grisbi-common/filelist -- I see enghlis and french docs, along with locales for many langauges including en_GB and en_US |
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| 20:25 | <somiaj> | it does appear the author is french, but it also appears to have the files needed for english translations, so should be something you can configure, maybe start in /usr/share/doc/grisbi/ and look at the english docs |
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| 20:32 | <sappheiros> | oh. i guess the website is outdated or something ... thanks |
| 20:32 | <sappheiros> | the links to sourceforge ... |
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| 21:18 | -!- | shiki is "realname" on #moocows #debian |
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| 21:18 | -!- | j_f-f is "J\xF6rg Frings-F\xFCrst" on #debian-xfce #debian #debconf18-taiwan #debian-games #debconf-miniauditorio #debian-ubuntu |
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| 21:40 | -!- | awal1 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes |
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| 22:00 | -!- | awal1 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes |
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| 22:32 | -!- | miklcct is "Michael Tsang" on #debian #debian-next |
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| 22:38 | -!- | seeS_ is "Craig" on #debian |
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| 22:50 | -!- | coruja is "Markus Meyer" on #blobot #debian-next #debian #oftc #frickelplatz |
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| 22:55 | -!- | debian is "debian,,," on #debian |
| 22:55 | -!- | debian is now known as Guest4045 |
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| 22:58 | -!- | CeBe is "Carsten Brandt" on #debian #packaging |
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| 22:59 | -!- | miklcct is "Michael Tsang" on #debian #debian-next |
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| 23:00 | -!- | ax5623 is "+" on #linux #debian-next #debian |
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| 23:01 | -!- | tnewman is "Travis Newman" on #debian |
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| 23:03 | -!- | ax5623 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian #linux |
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| 23:07 | -!- | _Alejandraa is "Peppa" on #debian |
| 23:08 | <_Alejandraa> | hello |
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| 23:20 | -!- | seeS_ is "Craig" on #debian |
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| 23:29 | -!- | craigevil is "craig" on #debian-raspberrypi #debian-next #debian |
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| 23:39 | -!- | wes_64 is "wieslaw" on #debian #channel #c++ |
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| 23:40 | -!- | ax5623 is "+" on #linux #debian-next #debian |
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| 23:43 | -!- | snorlax is "sim" on #debian |
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| 23:43 | -!- | ax562 is "realname" on #linux #debian #debian-next |
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| 23:46 | -!- | twb is "Trent W. Buck" on #debian #debian-rant #debian-au |
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| 23:47 | -!- | ggoes is "Greg Farough" on #debian |
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