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| 00:18 | -!- | ValeraRozuvan is "Valera Rozuvan" on @##networking #ubuntu #postfix @#pg-messaging @#pass #OpenBSD @#obsd #NetBSD #gentoo #freebsd #fedora #debian #bash #alpine-offtopic #alpine-linux @##unix @##posix @##linuxmint ##linux @##kernel @##C @##bsd |
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| 02:02 | <Saturn> | hi |
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| 05:28 | <silver> | https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker |
| 05:28 | <silver> | morning |
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| 05:32 | <petn-randall> | morning silver, that tool is packaged in Debian. |
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| 05:33 | <silver> | indeed... i bet you guys know the quote at the bottom o fthe script |
| 05:33 | <silver> | :D |
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| 05:35 | <petn-randall> | silver: The MCEDB? |
| 05:35 | <FLHerne> | Hi |
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| 05:36 | <FLHerne> | As an upstream software maintainer, what's the best way to nag for Debian to package a point release? |
| 05:37 | <silver> | no not about the microcodes |
| 05:37 | <silver> | maybe its maintainer specific |
| 05:37 | <FLHerne> | I learned recently that you're still packaging kdevelop-* 5.3.1 |
| 05:37 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: Which piece of software is this? |
| 05:37 | <FLHerne> | 5.3.3 was released more than two years ago, and fixes a number of major bugs |
| 05:37 | <silver> | let me check |
| 05:37 | <FLHerne> | (as you might guess, I'm learning because someone fell over one of the bugs) |
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| 05:38 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: I guess it's because you're still getting bug reports about it? |
| 05:38 | <FLHerne> | Yup |
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| 05:38 | <silver> | oh cool now its a variable |
| 05:38 | <FLHerne> | It's pretty much a pure bugfix release, no new features/deps/anything |
| 05:38 | <silver> | see --disclaimer |
| 05:39 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: If 5.3.3 is a strict bugfix release, the chances are really good that it will be allowed. You just need to convince the maintainer to do it. |
| 05:39 | <silver> | spectre-meltdown-checker --disclaimer |
| 05:39 | <petn-randall> | nice |
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| 05:39 | <FLHerne> | Of course, we're on 5.6 now which fixes many *more* major bugs, but I have no hopes of Debian shipping that in the foreseeable future... |
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| 05:40 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: bullseye will ship with that, and a majority of desktop users will upgrade to that. |
| 05:41 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: Are you running Debian yourself? |
| 05:41 | <FLHerne> | No |
| 05:41 | <ratrace> | but then 5.6 will be baked into bullseye for its lifetime, fixes backported, and maybe if secteam finds it compliant, point release upgrade |
| 05:41 | <ratrace> | that's the stability "promise" of debian. |
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| 05:41 | <FLHerne> | Well, "fixes backported" would be nice, but it doesn't seem to be the case |
| 05:42 | <FLHerne> | (anyway, given the bugfix releases are all bugfixes, that ought to be equivalent) |
| 05:42 | <ratrace> | security fixes definitely should be unless they're found noncritical or no-DSA |
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| 05:42 | <FLHerne> | Is "maliciously-crafted code can crash your IDE" a DoS security fix? :p |
| 05:43 | <silver> | i think thats why buster was named buster |
| 05:43 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: yes |
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| 05:43 | <silver> | i run both and compare the two |
| 05:43 | <ratrace> | FLHerne: you have a CVE? |
| 05:43 | <silver> | very different for kde |
| 05:43 | <FLHerne> | ratrace: No, I was kind of joking |
| 05:43 | <ratrace> | oh :) |
| 05:43 | <ratrace> | I mean if you ahd it, we can check if it's in the tracker and what's the status |
| 05:43 | <FLHerne> | I mean, it *does* fix a lot of bugs where the wrong code crashes the IDE |
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| 05:44 | <FLHerne> | 5.3.0/1 had a lot of those for some reason |
| 05:44 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: I just asked about Debian because it comes with a handy bug reporting tool. Doing it manually is more cumbersome. |
| 05:44 | <FLHerne> | I'm not aware of anyone doing that maliciously, except me for testing |
| 05:45 | <FLHerne> | and it's not really malicious if I deliberately crash my own IDE :p |
| 05:45 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: It's malicious if you check out someone else's git repo, and opening it crashes the IDE. |
| 05:45 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:46 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: You want to set Package: and Version:, and explain that you're the upstream maintainer and still getting bugs reported for 5.3.1, and would like to have it updated to 5.3.3 in buster. |
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| 05:46 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: If you can provide a PoC for the crashing, it'll probably go even quicker. |
| 05:47 | <FLHerne> | I can probably just link to the upstream reports, those mostly have PoC |
| 05:47 | <FLHerne> | This looks like a really annoying way to report bugs |
| 05:47 | * | ratrace chuckles |
| 05:47 | <FLHerne> | and I thought KDE bugzilla was bad |
| 05:48 | <FLHerne> | Oh well, I suppose I can figure it out |
| 05:48 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: It's sending an email, yeah. You're not alone, I hate it, too. "But you don't have to create an account!" |
| 05:49 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: It's really just an e-mail to submit@bugs.debian.org, and those two headers in the body, then the prosa below. |
| 05:49 | <FLHerne> | Oh, maybe that's not so bad |
| 05:49 | <FLHerne> | I skim-read "headers" and thought "so how the heck do I configure Trojitá to add those?" |
| 05:49 | <ratrace> | but wait, the tool does it all for you |
| 05:49 | <petn-randall> | FLHerne: Well, if you typo the package name, the bug report ends up in nirvana. So it /is/ quite arcane. |
| 05:50 | <bittin^> | Ordered a Debian t-shirt now during the hack weekend |
| 05:50 | <petn-randall> | ratrace: FLHerne doesn't have Debian installed. |
| 05:50 | <ratrace> | ah |
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| 05:51 | <petn-randall> | bittin^: Nice! Let's move over to #debian-offtopic for this, so we can keep this channel for support. |
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| 05:53 | <petn-randall> | silver: I'm not sure what you want to point out with the disclaimer. Looks like a normal disclaimer to me? |
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| 05:56 | <bittin^> | petn-randall: ah alright sorry |
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| 05:57 | <petn-randall> | bittin^: no worries! Let's chat there, we haven't talked since ... DC19? 17? |
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| 06:24 | <silver> | i was pointing out who my friends are |
| 06:25 | <silver> | peacemakers really |
| 06:25 | <silver> | but the people who you would think would know that quote surely do not |
| 06:25 | <silver> | and sorry for being off topic |
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| 06:26 | <silver> | the craps on freenode is lingering and my spirit is down trodden |
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| 06:27 | <petn-randall> | silver: Your friends are peacemakers? I'm not quite following what you mean. |
| 06:29 | <silver> | i realize that and again im sorry i brought stuff with me i shouldnt have |
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| 06:30 | <d4nk> | I think it was 'Blessed are the cheesemakers.' |
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| 06:37 | <silver> | yeah it seems that way some days |
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| 07:18 | <FelixActually> | Can anyone advise if plugging a cassette player into my computer's line in port with a cable could damage the cassette player or my computer somehow? (Not exactly a Debian question, but I'm not sure where else to ask) |
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| 07:19 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: Did you jerry-rig a connector, or how are they connected to each other? |
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| 07:20 | <FelixActually> | The cassette player has a 3.5mm (I think that's it) port which has an ear symbol above it. Presumably that means headphones |
| 07:20 | <FelixActually> | So I bought a 3.5mm cable with plugs on both ends to plug one into the player and the other into the line in port |
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| 07:20 | <FelixActually> | I just haven't done it yet because I'm paranoid it'll explode or something :) |
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| 07:23 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: Oh! I fully expect that to work and not break anything. |
| 07:23 | <grove> | FelixActually: It's been a number of years, so I might have changed so many components in the computer that it's hard to claim it's the same computer, but I've connected the headphone jack of a cassette player to my computer (I don't recall if I used the microphone jack or the line-in, but I think the difference in many cases are just an amplifier) |
| 07:24 | <FelixActually> | grove: And did it explode? |
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| 07:25 | <mohdp> | SPAM |
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| 07:26 | <vdamewood> | petn-randall: The 35mm jack has been perfected for over 50 years. You're safe. |
| 07:26 | <vdamewood> | petn-randall: Sorry. Bad tab. |
| 07:26 | <vdamewood> | FelixActually: ^ |
| 07:27 | <H4ndy> | the only you can get is bad audio if the port runs as mic-in instead of line-in |
| 07:27 | <H4ndy> | *only problem |
| 07:28 | <FelixActually> | Alright, thanks |
| 07:28 | <vdamewood> | You have nothing to gain by plugging into the mic port. ;) |
| 07:29 | <FelixActually> | Also, I really need to wipe the data off a hard drive I have to send it back to the manufacturer. How can I do that without wasting time writing to parts of it that have nothing on them? I just want to overwrite what already exists, possibly with dd and writing from /dev/urandom |
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| 07:31 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase |
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| 07:32 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: That's the fastest and most thorough way to do it. Your logic is a bit faulty, because to check if nothing is on the drive you'd have to read that part. Which would take just as long (if not longer) than just blindly overwriting it. |
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| 07:33 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: Note that even the parts of your drive that has "nothing" on it according to the filesystem will still contain data. If you delete a file it doesn't get scrubbed from the drive, it just gets removed from the index of your filesystem. |
| 07:34 | <FelixActually> | That page you linked says it's for SSDs, and mine is a hard drive |
| 07:34 | <FelixActually> | Should I just write data from /dev/urandom to the whole drive multiple times then? |
| 07:34 | <FelixActually> | I just don't know how I'll do that if it takes longer than I'll be awake for |
| 07:36 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: ATA is the standard, this is not specific to SSDs. |
| 07:36 | <FelixActually> | Oh, I see |
| 07:36 | <FelixActually> | Still though, wouldn't it be simpler for me to just use dd? |
| 07:36 | <petn-randall> | No. |
| 07:36 | <FelixActually> | Why? |
| 07:36 | <petn-randall> | Because dd won't scrub reserve sectors. |
| 07:36 | <FelixActually> | What does that mean? |
| 07:37 | <petn-randall> | Reserve sectors a sectors that HDDs and SDDs have in reserve in case a sector fails. In that case they just map it over. |
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| 07:37 | <petn-randall> | So if one sector becomes unreadable, it might be cycled away, but still contains data that is now inaccessible with dd. |
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| 07:38 | <petn-randall> | Also, dd is slower than ATA secure erase. |
| 07:38 | <FelixActually> | So my only option is secure erase? |
| 07:38 | <petn-randall> | You can also use dd, or whatever else you like, but why choose a worse option? |
| 07:39 | <petn-randall> | ATA secure erase was designed for that single problem in mind: To safely wipe a disk with all the caveats. |
| 07:39 | <FelixActually> | Well the secure erase page you linked says it can't be used with USB drives, and that's what mine is |
| 07:40 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: It can't be used with *some* USB drives. Really depends on how they're connected internally. |
| 07:40 | <FelixActually> | How can I know if mine is the right type? |
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| 07:41 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: If you can, I'd plug in the disk directly to your S-ATA connector. That might not work if you've got a laptop. |
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| 07:41 | <FelixActually> | Where would that be? |
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| 07:42 | <FelixActually> | Also, the hard drive is a Western Digital "My Passport" |
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| 07:44 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: If it's a PC, take the HDD out of the USB case and plug it onto your mainboard via S-ATA connector. |
| 07:44 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: if you want to be 100% sure, and can't do the direct SATA connection: do it manually, dd-style, but don't use urandom. cryptsetup a mapper and then blast /dev/zero to it. luks or plain, doesn't matter |
| 07:44 | <FelixActually> | I don't think it is a case |
| 07:45 | <ratrace> | however neither is satisfying your original request, to wipe out only used sectors. |
| 07:45 | <FelixActually> | It's fine, I can just write to the entire disk |
| 07:46 | <ratrace> | the cryptsetup way is fastest |
| 07:46 | <FelixActually> | But if I do that it won't get rid of the reserve sectors? |
| 07:46 | <FelixActually> | This is confusing to me :( |
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| 07:47 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: you can always try the secure erase thingy. if you see the disk churning and working, it's probably doing the job. |
| 07:47 | <petn-randall> | Yes, it won't wipe the reserve sectors. They're only accessible by manipulating the firmware, or taking the drive apart. So it really depends on how sensitive the data is, and what your worst case scenario is. |
| 07:47 | <FelixActually> | It says that it could brick the drive though, and then they might not send me a replacement |
| 07:48 | <ratrace> | if secure erase bricks the drive, the drive is faulty to begin with |
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| 07:48 | <petn-randall> | FelixActually: I can say it worked for me on some USB drive (don't remember the model), maybe you can google "<model name> secure erase" to see if someone attempted this before. |
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| 07:49 | <ratrace> | you can check if the firmware supports it with hdparm -I |
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| 07:49 | <FelixActually> | I sure wouldn't want to use Google to do it ;) |
| 07:49 | <ratrace> | question is only if the USB->SATA connector messes with it |
| 07:50 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: and consider using encryption to prevent this issue in the future :) |
| 07:50 | <FLD> | you could be already 10% done, had you started ddrescue -Df /dev/zero /dev/target in the beginning of this |
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| 07:50 | <FelixActually> | How would encryption help though? I'd still need to delete it |
| 07:50 | <H4ndy> | Isn't ATA Secure Erase "just" wiping the internal ecryption key, which takes a like a few seconds and done? |
| 07:50 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: no. if the disk was encrypted, you could send it to manufacturer just like that |
| 07:50 | <ratrace> | that's the whole point of encryption. data is inaccessible without your key |
| 07:51 | <FelixActually> | Sure... if I wanted to run the risk of them keeping it to decrypt it when technology improves :) |
| 07:51 | <FelixActually> | I wouldn't want to trust them with it, encrypted or not |
| 07:51 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: if that happens, the entire planet, internet, civilization etc. is in danger and you'll have far far worse problems |
| 07:51 | <FelixActually> | Well in most cases the encryption technology keeps up with the decryption technology |
| 07:51 | <FelixActually> | But I can't do that if I don't have the drive |
| 07:52 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: but following that logic, they can snapshot the quantum state of the platter and then later decode the bits, in which case /dev/zero is insufficient |
| 07:52 | <FelixActually> | That's why I would do unrandom multiple times, not zero |
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| 07:54 | <ratrace> | AES is very strong. cryptsetup's default AES XTS is very strong, assuming strong key. |
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| 07:55 | <petn-randall> | H4ndy: No, most drives don't use encryption internally. |
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| 07:55 | <ratrace> | can it be bruteforced? either someone knows of a collision and by sheer miracle nobody else noticed it; or somoene has huge computational power to literally try and bruteforce. I seriously doubt you have data on there which is worth that amount of money and energy. |
| 07:56 | <ratrace> | which means to say, just encrypt it for the next time :) |
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| 07:56 | <FelixActually> | I'm more doing it out of principle, because whether or not I have things on that drive that are of interest to them, they shouldn't be able to know |
| 07:56 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: and by that logic, sector reallocation, firmware and "there's a whole MINIX in your IME", you can never know if you truly wiped it all out. |
| 07:57 | <FelixActually> | Well, yes, but that's beyond my ability to solve right now |
| 07:57 | <FelixActually> | I want to at least do what I can |
| 07:57 | <ratrace> | but back to problem, dd'ing is really the best you can do then, as smart erase could lie about it, or be incomplete or whatever |
| 07:57 | <FelixActually> | Even though it doesn't get the reserve sectors as petn said? |
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| 07:58 | <ratrace> | well yes |
| 07:58 | <ratrace> | reserved sectors are either not in use, or have been but are inaccessible to you. |
| 07:58 | <FelixActually> | I'm confused |
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| 07:59 | <ratrace> | about which part? |
| 07:59 | <FelixActually> | Do you mean I can't do anything about reserve sectors regardless? |
| 08:00 | <ratrace> | correct. I don't know if secure erase wipes those. petn-randall suggested it didn't. but then secure erase could be lying about erasing anything. with dd, at least, you're sure you're writing out sectors that are accessible by the firmware |
| 08:00 | <FLD> | encrypt your data next time before you place it on a device that you intend to send back to the manufacturer |
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| 08:01 | <FelixActually> | FLD: I didn't know I'd be sending it back, because I didn't know it was faulty |
| 08:01 | <FLD> | FelixActually: well, now you know :) |
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| 08:03 | <woffs> | I wonder when prosody-0.11.9 will appear in buster-backports |
| 08:03 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: you can encrypt the drives for future use and STILL try to wipe them before returning or discontinuing them, if it happens again. |
| 08:04 | <petn-randall> | ratrace: I specifically said that secure erase *does* wipe the reserve sectors. |
| 08:04 | <petn-randall> | woffs: It usually only happens if someone requests it on the debian-backports mailing list. |
| 08:04 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: the two are not exclusive. if you encrypt, and it turns out your disk dies in such a way you can't spin it up, with encryption at least you're 99.9995% safe; the number I pulled out of my hat, where 0.0005 is the probability of them brute forcing with a future quantum computer. |
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| 08:05 | <ratrace> | petn-randall: eh, did I misunderstand this? "13:47 < petn-randall> Yes, it won't wipe the reserve sectors. They're only accessible by manipulating the firmware,...." |
| 08:05 | <petn-randall> | I was referring to dd there. |
| 08:05 | <ratrace> | oh my bad then |
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| 08:06 | <petn-randall> | dd can only wipe what the OS sees. Reserve sectors don't belong to that. Those only the firmware can wipe with ATA secure erase. |
| 08:06 | * | petn-randall is afk for now. |
| 08:06 | <ratrace> | makese sense. but how to be sure if teh disk actualyl performed secure erase. the controllere could be lying |
| 08:07 | <H4ndy> | you're slowing entered tinfoil hat territory ;) |
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| 08:07 | <H4ndy> | If you don't trust the device, encrypt. Period. |
| 08:07 | <H4ndy> | or run DBAN |
| 08:07 | <ratrace> | considering how terribly bad hardware encryption is (pretty much all of it is easily busted), I'm not necessarily in the tinfoil hat. AND I know for a fac that some USB->SATA bridges ignore certain commands or lie about completing them |
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| 08:08 | <FelixActually> | Is KDE's "vaults" encryption system a good choice? |
| 08:08 | <ratrace> | so my "trust" comment is really in context of this being USB->SATA controlled WD "bad disks we can't sell as enterprise so we put them into Passports" |
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| 08:08 | <grove> | FelixActually: No, I probably would have written it as a clear warning if it did explode (and what I meant by the difference being an amplifier is ther same as vdamewood wrote more clearly) |
| 08:09 | <ratrace> | they're known to be... not passing enterprise QA 100% so they're almost refurbished-like, shoved into Passports. |
| 08:09 | <FelixActually> | So I bought a bad model? |
| 08:09 | <ratrace> | for the consumer context they're sold for? no. |
| 08:09 | <H4ndy> | You bought a consumer model |
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| 08:10 | <FelixActually> | Well I didn't eat it... :) |
| 08:11 | <vdamewood> | grove: I wrote more clearly? I was just going for a stupid pun. |
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| 08:13 | <grove> | vdamewood: you said there was "nothing to gain by plugging into the mic port", containing a specific recommendation of which port to use I consider that clearer than my statement |
| 08:13 | <FelixActually> | ratrace: I'm not a fan of the word "consumer", because I don't consume everything I buy. Especially not electronics |
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| 08:14 | <ratrace> | well your computer is consuming the ferromagnetic properties of the platters, eroding the quantum states ever so slightly over time.... .) |
| 08:14 | <grove> | vdamewood: But I see the pun |
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| 08:15 | <FelixActually> | But "consume" means to make something immediately unuseable by its use, like with food or drink |
| 08:15 | <FelixActually> | You can't eat or drink something I just ate |
| 08:16 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: well, however you wanna call them, the Passports are known to be less than stellar disks found "okay enough" for the general population |
| 08:16 | <FelixActually> | "General-use" is a good term to replace "consumer" |
| 08:16 | <ratrace> | but the whole point is, it's not in the realm of impossible to think that their controllers could be lying about or ignoring, some SATA commands |
| 08:16 | <FelixActually> | Or "personal-use" |
| 08:17 | <FelixActually> | In that context |
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| 08:17 | <ratrace> | you can check secure erase with hdparm -I , and you can issue secure erase, if supported, and then you can check if your disk is spininig and working, it's probably doing what's asked of it |
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| 08:18 | <FelixActually> | But if it breaks it, won't I not get a replacement? |
| 08:18 | <ratrace> | it shouldn't break it. if it _does_ then it was faulty to begin with and the fact secure erase broke it, is justification enough to get a replacement |
| 08:19 | <ratrace> | ie, nothing in the secure erase _expected_ behavior states "fry the firmware like low grade chicken, and turn the disk into expensive paper holder" |
| 08:19 | <FelixActually> | I already explained to their support what the problem was, so presumably if I send it back and it's not working at all they'll be suspicious or something |
| 08:19 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: Warranty Void if Sticker removed. if you didn't remove the sticker, you're safe :) |
| 08:19 | <vdamewood> | grove: Okay. I'll take it. |
| 08:20 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: then again they, if they want, can make up any reason not to respect the warranty. |
| 08:22 | <FelixActually> | Not surprising I suppose :( |
| 08:23 | <ratrace> | But WD is in the business of planting SMR drives as CMR or NAS ready ones, not fidgeting out of warranty obligations :))) |
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| 08:24 | <FelixActually> | Would you say Western Digital is a bad manufacturer? |
| 08:24 | <ratrace> | worse now than what they used to be |
| 08:24 | <sappheiros> | My computer resumed from sleep even though I unplugged mouse, keyboard, and ethernet. How do I make it stay asleep? |
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| 08:27 | <tohoyn> | can anybody estimate when the bullseye freeze is over? |
| 08:27 | <ratrace> | within the next several months |
| 08:29 | <luna_> | tohoyn: in September i think but i can be wrong |
| 08:29 | <FelixActually> | Will that be when Debian 11 releases? |
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| 08:31 | <ratrace> | My "bet" in the freenode chan's poll was june. 13th if I'm not mistaken |
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| 08:32 | <grove> | I don't follow the development in any way, but my hope is a little more optimistic than luna_'s guess above |
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| 08:34 | <ratrace> | still 201 bugs to solve before release: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 08:50 | <tarzeau_> | ratrace: maybe that's the better link? https://udd.debian.org/bugs/bugs/?release=stretch_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1#results |
| 08:50 | * | tarzeau_ was hoping for tomorrow or next week... |
| 08:54 | <sappheiros> | how did these 201 bugs get created? what sorts of changes were made to create them? |
| 08:54 | <FelixActually> | Fixing other bugs :) |
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| 12:05 | <chrisgt> | i leave at noon on fridays |
| 12:05 | <chrisgt> | oops wrong chat |
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| 12:38 | <sappheiros> | How do I switch the terminal to run python3.7 instead of 2.7? |
| 12:39 | <sappheiros> | or is this not a good idea? |
| 12:39 | <sappheiros> | i am trying to use vscode and I cannot see how to make the integrated terminal run python3 instead of 2 |
| 12:39 | <sney> | buster or bullseye? |
| 12:40 | <tohoyn> | sappheiros: see "man update-alternatives" |
| 12:40 | <colo> | sappheiros, there's probably also an application-level setting for that? |
| 12:41 | <sney> | on buster and earlier, /usr/bin/python can *only* be python2. setting it to python3 will break things because python2 is used for some system internals. |
| 12:41 | <sney> | on bullseye/sid, it's just 'apt install python-is-python3'. |
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| 12:42 | <sney> | as for vscode, you should be able to point it to /usr/bin/python3 instead of /usr/bin/python, but you'd have to ask microsoft's docs for that if you can't find it. |
| 12:44 | <sney> | !python 3 |
| 12:44 | <dpkg> | Python 3 is in the python3 package and installs /usr/bin/python3. In buster, don't change the symlink for /usr/bin/python to point to a Python 3 interpreter as that is for Python 2 and packaged software will break if you change it. Want Python 3 = invoke 'python3'; explicit is better than implicit! In bullseye/sid, no packages use /usr/bin/python and the python-is-python2 and python-is-python3 packages deal with legacy code. |
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| 12:55 | <ratrace> | le sigh |
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| 13:01 | <sappheiros> | is it okay to "install python3-pip with apt"? |
| 13:01 | <sappheiros> | could i break my OS or screw something up by installing python packages? |
| 13:01 | <ratrace> | yes, if you do it by root. you're really better off using virtualenvs |
| 13:01 | <sappheiros> | my goal is to make scripts for personal projects in vscode |
| 13:01 | <sappheiros> | should i search 'using virtual environments in vscode debian'? |
| 13:03 | <ratrace> | I suppose so. Any IDE claiming to support Python should support virtualenvs. |
| 13:03 | <ratrace> | (and if you're not strictly bound by vscode, maybe look into PyCharm IDE, it's specifically for python) |
| 13:04 | <ratrace> | sappheiros: but... virtualenvs are just PATH munges. a virtualenv installs python requirements into a dir and then alters the PATH to use requirements from there, instead from main system paths |
| 13:04 | <ratrace> | and you can create and manage them without an IDE |
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| 13:05 | <app4soft> | UR NOOB IRCD GOT PWNED BY LALBORNOZ FROM MIDIPIX / IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX |
| 13:06 | <ryo> | wow, in-channel spam for another channel, seen any since 15 years. classic! |
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| 13:06 | <ratrace> | it's actually a smear capaign against one of the midipix contributors |
| 13:06 | <bandali> | :-( |
| 13:06 | <ryo> | ah, ok |
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| 13:28 | <Guest4390> | hey |
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| 13:29 | <Guest4390> | l name kevina and yoy |
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| 13:35 | <Gerowen> | If I add a RAID array to mdadm.conf it's gonna look for it at every reboot, and perhaps cause an issue if it isn't there, correct? |
| 13:35 | <Gerowen> | Created a RAID 0 out of two drives for my offsite backup and it's working fine, but don't want the server to not boot correctly if it reboots and those drives aren't there. |
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| 13:51 | <lavamind> | Gerowen: you might have issues with boot only if you add it to /etc/fstab |
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| 13:52 | <lavamind> | AFAIK mdadm.conf is just used to help recognize arrays that are there, it won't error out or anything if it can't find it |
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| 13:52 | <sney> | you can put the 'nofail' option in fstab to let the system boot even if it can't mount that volume, usually; it might be a little more failure resistant if you use a systemd mount instead |
| 13:53 | <lavamind> | fstab entries are converted to systemd mounts at boot |
| 13:53 | <lavamind> | debian ships a generator for that |
| 13:53 | <sney> | correct, but explicitly using a systemd mount allows for more options afaik |
| 13:54 | <lavamind> | indeed |
| 13:54 | <ratrace> | sney: they're all available via x-systemd namespace of fstab options |
| 13:54 | <lavamind> | ratrace: ah true, I just remembered that I had to use x-systemd.mount-timeout=5m once |
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| 13:55 | <sney> | and I saw a system either here or in the other #debian the other day that got stuck on boot despite nofail for a missing volume |
| 13:56 | <ratrace> | there was someone with that issue the otehr day. multiple fstab entries with the same mountpoint; I don't think nofail would solve for that as I think systemd choked on trying to have multiple .mount units with teh same name |
| 13:56 | <Gerowen> | Well if won't hurt anything I may go ahead and commit the new array to mdadm.conf just for the heck of it then. I just wasn't sure if being listed in there would cause the system to have issues if it booted and couldn't find those drives/UUID, even if it wasn't actually mounting them. |
| 13:56 | <somiaj> | I recall that person had a swap partition on the raidarray that I think was causing the problem |
| 13:57 | <Gerowen> | To be fair any more mdadm.conf seems kinda optional, for the most part things seem to "just work" regardless of what's in there. |
| 13:57 | <somiaj> | or maybe this was a different person, but yea it was taking about an extra minute to boot due to looking for a swap partition that wasn't there |
| 13:57 | <somiaj> | Gerowen: note, until you rebuild the initramfs, changes to that file may not be noticed by boot |
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| 13:57 | <ratrace> | it wasn't that. this was on freenode I think, someone had literally mulitiple fstab entries with same mountpoint |
| 13:58 | <sney> | oh, they were redundant? well. |
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| 16:01 | <sappheiros> | ratrace, what does "PATH munges" mean? what does "alter the PATH" mean? |
| 16:03 | <sney> | PATH is how your shell knows where to find the commands you run. python virtualenv alters PATH so that when you type 'python' it runs '/usr/local/(some more dirs here/python' instead of '/usr/bin/python' from the debian package. |
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| 16:04 | <sappheiros> | why did he say 'but' as if that wasn't good or maybe even actively bad? |
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| 16:05 | <sney> | not sure, maybe trying to tell you that it's less complex than it looks. |
| 16:06 | <sney> | anyway, python's documentation is pretty good: https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html |
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| 16:07 | <calumapplepie[m]> | is there someone nickd ratrace posting things in here? because matrix isn't showing me anything |
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| 16:08 | <somiaj> | they have posted in a while, but yes there is a user ratrace here. |
| 16:08 | <sney> | last spoke about 2 hours ago |
| 16:08 | <somiaj> | haven't |
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| 16:09 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: It is just a way for python to put all things managed by pip in an isolated directory that is indepednent of the system libs. |
| 16:10 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: which has various advatnages, one is you don't need to be root to isntall things, another is anything you install is separate from the system and cannot damage the system. |
| 16:10 | <sappheiros> | exactly. so i must learn how to use virtual environments in vscode. thank you for the documentation. |
| 16:11 | <somiaj> | It should be fairly straight forward, I assume there is an option to just create one and use it. |
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| 16:12 | <somiaj> | yea seems it does this automatically |
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| 16:15 | <somiaj> | sappheiros: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/python/environments -- seems it uses enviroments by default, there is some details |
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| 16:22 | <ydbi> | did... did sney just get killed? |
| 16:22 | <somiaj> | sney said a banned word |
| 16:22 | <sney> | I'm back, I mentioned a keyword related to how the libera spammers are doing their thing |
| 16:22 | <sappheiros> | :O what's the special word |
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| 16:22 | <sappheiros> | *the secret word |
| 16:22 | <ydbi> | I wanted to ask too |
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| 16:23 | <somiaj> | Let's not fill the killbots with false positives |
| 16:23 | <sappheiros> | what's the piglatin version? |
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| 16:24 | <sney> | see if it detects this, um, if you look on github for "ef knockr" without the space, it's the associated username |
| 16:24 | <sney> | and yes, oftc is busy enough with real spammers |
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| 17:42 | <Despatche> | i heard ubuntu was going to move. i forget where. wherever they go, it's going to be a lot of work. there's like 500 ubuntu channels lol |
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| 17:42 | <Ganneff> | and why do you think we care? |
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| 17:44 | <Despatche> | yes yes, i meant to put that in the ot channel, sorry. tho chances are you'd say the same thing there lmao |
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| 18:21 | <uid1000> | hi |
| 18:22 | <sney> | hi |
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| 18:23 | <sney> | uid1000: do not private message people without asking. Keep all questions in the channel. |
| 18:23 | <sney> | !how can i help |
| 18:23 | <dpkg> | Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. https://debian.org/intro/help |
| 18:24 | <uid1000> | thanks |
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| 19:18 | <alex11> | does cat work with .gz? i'd like to move dunst's configuration file from /usr/share/doc into .config dunst so would cat /usr/share/doc/dunst/dunstrc > .config/dunst work? |
| 19:19 | <alex11> | cat /usr/share/doc/dunct/dunstrc.gz* |
| 19:19 | <alex11> | dunst* god typing is hard |
| 19:19 | <seba> | try zcat |
| 19:20 | <sarnold> | cat will move the bytes from the input to the output exactly as they are; if you want to decompress them on the way, use zcat or gzip -cd as seba suggests |
| 19:20 | <seba> | (if you actually want to unpack it and not just copy the file) |
| 19:20 | <alex11> | well i know you can't view it (and hence edit it) with less because it's .gz so i'm assuming i do want to unpack it |
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| 19:22 | <sarnold> | alex11: heh, try less on that path, there's a good chance your less will automatically decompress it before showing it to you, see the 'lessopen' stuff in the less manpage |
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| 19:23 | <alex11> | which path? |
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| 19:25 | <sarnold> | alex11: /usr/share/doc/dunct/dunstrc.gz |
| 19:26 | <alex11> | no, it warns me about it being a binary file and shows me gibberish |
| 19:26 | <alex11> | i guess i need zcat |
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| 19:26 | <sarnold> | hah |
| 19:26 | <sarnold> | maybe that's an ubuntuism |
| 19:27 | <alex11> | ok yeah zcat works |
| 19:27 | <alex11> | i just got confused over the term 'unpack' but yeah i see now |
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| 19:33 | <jmcnaught> | There is also zless |
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| 19:37 | <alex11> | yeah but you can't copy files with less |
| 19:37 | <alex11> | or i might be wrong |
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| 19:44 | <jelly> | you can but it's silly, use gzip -dc /path/to/foo.gz > /path/to/new/foo, or zcat instead of gzip -dc |
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| 23:34 | <peace3> | How would you fix a DVD drive 1.) whose LED won't stop blinking 2.) which the "mount" command says isn't mounted and 3.) which fails to respond to either the "eject" command or button? |
| 23:37 | <sney> | probably replace it, maaaybe see if the controller is flashable somehow |
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| 23:43 | <peace3> | Pressing an opened paper clip into the tiny hole in the DVD drive's face plate opened its tray and let me remove the DVD, but the drive's LED still blinks. |
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