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| 03:19 | <Posterdati> | hi |
| 03:19 | <Posterdati> | when will 11 come out? |
| 03:20 | <zumbi> | When critical bugs are fixed, not many bugs pending, I guesstimate 2months |
| 03:21 | <dreamer> | ~summer |
| 03:21 | <dreamer> | 11.1 ~september? :) |
| 03:22 | <dreamer> | 11.0.1 rather |
| 03:22 | <dreamer> | hehe |
| 03:22 | <zumbi> | see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/05/msg00000.html RC bugs status |
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| 03:37 | <somiaj> | I have heard that maybe in the next month or two, I think june was a soft target, though will depend on if they finish up the todo list or not |
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| 03:46 | <jochum> | hi, does't i mean release as in .iso or does't it mean freeze? |
| 03:46 | <jochum> | that guess? |
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| 03:53 | <zumbi> | Debian is already frozen :) |
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| 04:04 | <jochum> | that nuub :) |
| 04:05 | <jochum> | I'm a long time testing user, should i switch to sid in the meantime? |
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| 04:06 | <jochum> | Testing -> Sid -> Bullseye out -> Testing ? |
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| 04:35 | <ratrace> | jochum: ? |
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| 04:49 | <bullshell> | hello |
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| 05:38 | <Javi> | azeem: Wonderful name. |
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| 06:08 | <somiaj> | jochum: Two comments, 1) #debian-next for testing/unstable support. 2) It is often less of a pain to stick with bullseye when it stablaizes for 4-6 months before upgrading to testing. Once the release happens, sid and testing get bombarded with new packages and changes, and that is probably the point in which testing is the roughest. |
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| 06:08 | <somiaj> | jochum: I'll add one more, even if you choose to upgrade right away, you should use bullseye in your sources.list, so you upgrade at a moment of your choosing vs right when the release happens and the testing link points to the new testing. |
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| 06:09 | <somiaj> | but there is no need to swtich to sid (/msg dpkg slushy), just upgrade to the new testing after the release and keep on using it if your prfer. |
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| 06:33 | <qrpnxz> | somiaj, i been on bullseye for bout a year now and it has been smooth sailing. Definitely not gonna touch bookwork for some time because as you said when bullseye drops that's when people are all gonna be upgrading and breaking stuff. |
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| 07:14 | <test123> | on a sytemd box is there any simple way to shutdown (aside from pulling the plug) when systemctl is unresponsive? |
| 07:14 | <grawity> | if systemctl is unresponsive, that generally implies systemd itself is unresponsive, because that's what systemctl does -- it talks to init... |
| 07:15 | <raven523> | magic sysrq might work if you had enabled that |
| 07:15 | <raven523> | I'm not sure if ctrl+alt+delete would work, but that usually has some special handling in systemd and other inits |
| 07:16 | <grawity> | if you think init is still alive and want to get some "clean" shutdown, you could try sending SIGINT or SIGRTMIN+4 to pid 1 |
| 07:16 | <grawity> | but most likely it isn't alive anymore, so you sync, kill your important daemons (mysqld and whatever), sync again, then "pull the plug" (e.g. via reboot -ff or physically) |
| 07:17 | <test123> | it's strange. X crashed and the keyboard isn't generating any response, but I sshed in from another box and can run irssi just fine. |
| 07:17 | <test123> | magic sysrq if I remember correctly is resiub? |
| 07:17 | <raven523> | yes |
| 07:17 | <test123> | thanks |
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| 07:20 | <test123> | how fun not responding to sysrq |
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| 07:27 | <Javi> | I found useful sometimes to press Ctrl+Alt+PrintScreen and, in the meantime, reisub one after the other. |
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| 07:39 | <Avocato> | dpkg version buster |
| 07:39 | <dpkg> | Avocato: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 07:39 | <Avocato> | Hm |
| 07:42 | <ydbi> | Avocato: what are you looking for? |
| 07:43 | <Avocato> | Just playing with dpkg :) |
| 07:43 | <ydbi> | Avocato: you can also do /query dpkg |
| 07:43 | <ydbi> | and talk to the bot there |
| 07:43 | <Avocato> | That's what I do now. |
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| 10:02 | <choozy> | Hey |
| 10:02 | <petn-randall> | hi choozy |
| 10:03 | <choozy> | Might you have different apt sources with a set of the same packages, is it possible to give a source higher priority? |
| 10:03 | <choozy> | Or does it depend on the versions of the packages itself within a dependency tree? |
| 10:03 | <petn-randall> | choozy: Yes, that's possible. May I ask why you have two repos with the same packages? Are you mixing e.g. stable and testing? |
| 10:04 | <choozy> | No, I don't have it currently, I was thinking about this situation if it would be possible :P |
| 10:05 | <choozy> | And I know that for example the Mobian project has testing repositories and I think also Debian derivatives sometimes have repositories added? |
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| 10:05 | <petn-randall> | choozy: Yes, it's possible, but it's seldomly a good idea. See the next two factoids: |
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| 10:05 | <petn-randall> | !frankendebian |
| 10:05 | <dpkg> | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 10:05 | <petn-randall> | !apt_preferences |
| 10:05 | <dpkg> | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 10:06 | <choozy> | Ah, thank you for this info |
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| 10:10 | <petn-randall> | choozy: One of the few scenarios I can imagine where it makes sense is if you for example are running testing/unstable, and the testing version works, and the unstable version has a serious bug. You can then use apt priority to pin the testing version. |
| 10:10 | <petn-randall> | !tum |
| 10:10 | <dpkg> | [Testing-Unstable Mix] echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20-tum.conf , then edit sources.list, copy your primary testing line and change the copy to unstable, then 'apt update'. Use 'apt -t unstable install foo' to install foo from unstable rather than testing. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 10:11 | <petn-randall> | choozy: Though in most cases it's easier to pin it manually via GUI than write a apt_prefrences file for that. |
| 10:11 | <choozy> | Ah yes |
| 10:11 | <choozy> | It is most likely used to test unstable and new release versions of Debian |
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| 11:38 | <calogeromaniaci> | ciao |
| 11:38 | <calogeromaniaci> | !list |
| 11:38 | <dpkg> | calogeromaniaci: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 12:01 | <Konomi> | it seems with the default udev version on debian 10 the following udev rule doesn't work: |
| 12:01 | <Konomi> | KERNEL=="zram0", SUBSYSTEM=="block", DRIVER=="", ACTION=="add", ATTR{reset}="1", ATTR{comp_algorithm}="zstd", ATTR{disksize}="1G" RUN+="/sbin/mkswap $env{DEVNAME}", TAG+="systemd" |
| 12:02 | <Konomi> | ommiting the DRIVER=="" part fixes this or updating to udev from buster-backports, I presume there was either a bug or some change between systemd/udev anyone have any clue what it was? |
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| 12:26 | <j_a_d_e> | Quick question if anyone knows a good answer - is it normal to see desktop graphics performance degrade over time until I restart Xorg? I'm using on buster using gnome3 with an nvidia rtx 2060 (proprietary drivers) |
| 12:26 | <j_a_d_e> | stuff like moving windows around etc is really laggy whenever i come back from being away for a while and unlock the screen |
| 12:27 | <azeem> | if it's only after you unlock the screen, maybe the cpu load just goes up momentarily |
| 12:27 | <j_a_d_e> | oh it stays until I restart X |
| 12:27 | <azeem> | that shouldn't happen |
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| 12:27 | <azeem> | still, check your load with e.g. top |
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| 12:28 | <azeem> | or whatever the gnome system monitor is called |
| 12:28 | <j_a_d_e> | yeah that's the weird thing, the load doesn't really increase over time from what I can tell |
| 12:28 | <azeem> | maybe also check your logs |
| 12:29 | <azeem> | in any case, I don't know much about the proprietary driver |
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| 12:32 | <tohoyn> | j_a_d_e: I often have my computer on for a long time. I have not noticed such a phenomenon. |
| 12:32 | <sney> | ditto, I have a 1070 with the nvidia binary and I never seen anything like this |
| 12:33 | <j_a_d_e> | oh wow. syslog is full of messages saying my display has been connected. |
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| 12:33 | <j_a_d_e> | multiple times a second |
| 12:33 | <azeem> | maybe a loose connector? |
| 12:33 | <azeem> | well, or a driver bug, dunno |
| 12:33 | <sney> | it almost sounds like a swapping behavior, trying to load the gui applications back into memory from disk after you've been idle |
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| 12:34 | <j_a_d_e> | yeah, or maybe it's having some sort of issue with my display waking up from sleep |
| 12:34 | <azeem> | google the message in conjunction with the nvidia driver |
| 12:34 | <j_a_d_e> | yeah I'll give that a look |
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| 12:35 | <j_a_d_e> | ty for confirming that it's not normal to have to restart x though, now I know it's worth trying to fix lol |
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| 12:42 | <rajulocal> | j_a_d_e: Are there any errors in your Xorg log? What is the output of "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log"? |
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| 13:06 | <Konomi> | you can also use nvidia-smi to check memory usage |
| 13:06 | <Konomi> | if leaking is suspected |
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| 13:07 | <Konomi> | xrestop will also show what xorg is up to memory wise |
| 13:07 | <Konomi> | generally if you have trouble with stuff like this though updating to newer versions is the only fix |
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| 13:10 | <Konomi> | one thing you can try is updating to the nvidia driver from backports |
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| 13:27 | <extrowerk> | Hi. Would somebody care to explain me, why my debian marks *some* of my music folders on a mounted BeFS disk unaccessible? https://imgur.com/Jsu3nsp.png |
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| 13:29 | <somiaj> | extrowerk: a permissions issue, what is ls -ld /media/.. (path to one of those dirs)? |
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| 13:32 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, gimme a sec, i nthe meantime a comparison about an accessible and an inaccessible fodler: ue, what is ls -ld |
| 13:32 | <extrowerk> | eeeh |
| 13:32 | <extrowerk> | i meant this: https://imgur.com/SJ3lBJj.png |
| 13:32 | <somiaj> | ls lists files from a shell, -l is long list, and -d is directory (list the directory, not the directory contents) |
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| 13:33 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, : then you can find the that info on my second screenshot. |
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| 13:33 | <somiaj> | I would have prefered to have the info I asked for, as it is easier to read, but anyways, it is a permission issue, 0640 and owned by root:root cannot be read as a normal user |
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| 13:34 | <somiaj> | I'm unsure if you have to do anythig special when mounting BeFS to change ownership or to mimic other permissions |
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| 13:34 | <extrowerk> | can i somehow tell to linux to completely ignore every acl and anything? if so: how? |
| 13:35 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, https://imgur.com/df4AE99.png |
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| 13:38 | <somiaj> | it depends on the filesystem, if linux is mimicing permissions you can sometimes set the umask/uid/gid (I know this works for vfat/ntfs), but I don't know anything about befs |
| 13:38 | <somiaj> | read the man page on mount.befs and look for various mount options available |
| 13:38 | <extrowerk> | will check |
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| 13:39 | <somiaj> | hmm in reading 'man mount' I find no mention of befs, so unsure there |
| 13:39 | <somiaj> | If the file system is a standard *nix filesystem that uses standard permissions, you just have to set the permissions correct |
| 13:39 | <extrowerk> | befs can handle users and acls andso on |
| 13:40 | <somiaj> | so then just use chmod/chown to change the permssions to what you need |
| 13:40 | <extrowerk> | befs is RO in linux |
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| 13:45 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Failed to find session configuration -lightdm-greeter |
| 13:46 | <sney> | !wayttd |
| 13:46 | <dpkg> | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 13:46 | <scorpion2185[m]> | To use lightdm as DM, I used: lightdm --test-mode --debug |
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| 13:47 | <petn-randall> | scorpion2185[m]: If you install it, it comes with a systemd service that starts. There it also calls it with the right syntax. |
| 13:47 | <somiaj> | extrowerk: I would head to google about setting befs permissions in linux |
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| 13:48 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I installed it. If I set lightdm it won't start. |
| 13:49 | <petn-randall> | scorpion2185[m]: If you check the logs with `journalctl -u lightdm`, what does it say? → https://paste.debian.net |
| 13:51 | <scorpion2185[m]> | NOw I am using gdm3, are the logs saved somewhere? |
| 13:52 | <somiaj> | what is the output of cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
| 13:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 13:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Since it wasn't working I set gdm3 |
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| 13:54 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, i have found the uid,gid options in the linux befs docs and tried to do this in the fstab: |
| 13:54 | <extrowerk> | /dev/sda1 /media/szilard/Data befs uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 13:54 | <extrowerk> | sadly it doesn't works |
| 13:56 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I remember failed with result exit-code |
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| 13:56 | <somiaj> | extrowerk: not sure here, this is not a file system I have any experience with. |
| 13:57 | <somiaj> | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/befs.html -- that should work, try it from teh command line first |
| 13:57 | <somiaj> | so umount /path, mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 -t befs /dev/sda1 /media/szilard/Data |
| 13:58 | <somiaj> | I would try that over fstab first, then update fstab once you get it to work. |
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| 14:01 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, actually it worked, it show my user as owner now, but the permissions are still "drw-r-----" |
| 14:01 | <extrowerk> | and as it is a ro fs i can't modify this. |
| 14:01 | <somiaj> | Though now your user can read everything, is that enough? |
| 14:02 | <somiaj> | I know with ntfs/vfat there is also a umask/fmask/dmask option to control permissions, but the befs seems to not have this, so unless you say boot into beos and modify the permission you might be stuck |
| 14:02 | <somiaj> | you could try something like umask=022, but I doubt it will do anything since that option is not mentioned int he docs |
| 14:03 | <extrowerk> | the folders still have the red cross as before, but i can open them, so far so good. i can even see their content, which is also nice, but those fodlers contains other folders and they show u pas 0 byte *files* and i can't open them |
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| 14:04 | <somiaj> | seems the linux support for befs is fairly limited, so I don't (at least according to the docs) see anything else you can do. |
| 14:04 | <somiaj> | Why are you using befs? Do you haev beos running somewhere? |
| 14:04 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, those are all folders, but linux thinks they are files: https://imgur.com/2NcPXeI.png |
| 14:04 | <extrowerk> | content of not-red-crossed folders shows up correctly. |
| 14:05 | <somiaj> | extrowerk: again can you please share ls -ld /path/to/file for one of those, lets look at the actual permissions linux sees |
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| 14:06 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, here you go: https://imgur.com/cqqYi7M.png |
| 14:06 | <somiaj> | but yea my guess is you won't see a 'd' which tells linux it is a directory. Might be an issue with this filesystem. Anyway you can just move this data to a more supported filesystem? |
| 14:06 | <extrowerk> | no |
| 14:07 | <somiaj> | that isn't one of the files you list that didn't show up as a directory, that ias a directory |
| 14:07 | <extrowerk> | ah, gimme a sec then |
| 14:07 | <extrowerk> | i misunderstood you |
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| 14:08 | <extrowerk> | i can't cd into that folder. |
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| 14:09 | <extrowerk> | wow, nice: https://imgur.com/ZlBClcZ.png |
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| 14:10 | <somiaj> | might be that the linux driver can't fully read the filesystem or the filesystem has errors. I would really look into finding a way to read the file system natively and not fomr linux |
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| 14:10 | <somiaj> | and them move the data off of it to a more supported filesystem |
| 14:12 | <extrowerk> | nono, the data wil lstay, Haiku is my main system, i just sometimes need to boot linux and would like to listen to my music, but it seems to be a mission impossible. |
| 14:12 | <extrowerk> | i just return to Haiku then. Thanks for the help. |
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| 14:14 | <somiaj> | you might be able to set up the permissions better in your other os so linux could better deal with this, but here again I have no experience with this filesystem |
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| 14:16 | <somiaj> | extrowerk: is this on buster? |
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| 14:19 | <extrowerk> | somiaj, how can i check that? |
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| 14:19 | <extrowerk> | Linux Boxy 5.10.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.28-1 (2021-04-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:19 | <azeem> | lsb_release -a | grep Codename |
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| 14:20 | <azeem> | or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:21 | <extrowerk> | 11.0 |
| 14:21 | <extrowerk> | bullseye |
| 14:21 | <somiaj> | okay, was going to suggest the backports kernel, but that won't help here |
| 14:22 | <somiaj> | maybe you can sanatize/clean up the permissions in the other os to make linux work better with this filesystem |
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| 14:24 | <sney> | or store music files on a vfat volume, since they probably don't need specific permissions and won't hit the 4GB filesize limit, and then they can be read by any OS. |
| 14:24 | <azeem> | wow, nautilus seems to not handle directories without +x permission very well on buster |
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| 14:26 | <extrowerk> | sney, thanks but the music needs to stay on BFS, because the extra attributes and the fs query support (like genre==jazz year=="between 2000 and 2005" |
| 14:27 | <sney> | ahh, ok. I wonder if that metadata is what's making linux's befs driver have trouble |
| 14:27 | <ArsenArsen> | where does debian autoload nftables from? |
| 14:27 | <somiaj> | don't mp3's have that metadata already and varous music aps can search through it without needing it on the filesystem? |
| 14:27 | <azeem> | extrowerk: so why don't you just play those files on haiku then? |
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| 14:28 | <azeem> | anyway, you could have a copy on vfat |
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| 14:29 | <extrowerk> | azeem: not a solution, but thanks. |
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| 14:30 | <extrowerk> | somiaj: i don't rely on id3 tags and won't buid a program-specific database for this. |
| 14:30 | <ArsenArsen> | somiaj: yes, ID3 is a thing |
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| 14:46 | <tor_> | Hello, s it possible I can ask for some assistance, or is there a different chat for that? |
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| 14:47 | <somiaj> | This is a place to ask for support for the debian stable operating system, so if that it was y ou need, just ask |
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| 14:48 | <tor_> | Cool, thank you. I was trying to see if i can install the gnome termnal. I am unsure how to do that. I can do it through the preinstalled xterm, but i want to make sure i'm installing the right file |
| 14:49 | <tor_> | Is this program claled Terminal or gnome-terminal? |
| 14:49 | <tor_> | *called |
| 14:49 | <azeem> | the program is called Terminal |
| 14:49 | <azeem> | the package is called gnome-terminal |
| 14:50 | <somiaj> | tor_: do you just want the gnome-terminal, or are you wantting the full gnome desktop? |
| 14:50 | <tor_> | I thought so. |
| 14:50 | <somiaj> | if it isn't installed, 'apt install gnome-terminal' |
| 14:50 | <tor_> | I just want the gnome terminal |
| 14:50 | <tor_> | Awesome, thank you all for your help! |
| 14:51 | <tor_> | Also, is synaptic package manager the only GUI program installer i can get on Debian? |
| 14:52 | <somiaj> | I thought gnome or kde had its own software center, but here I'm unsure. I would strongly encourage users to just learn to use apt |
| 14:52 | <somiaj> | synamptic works fairly well, though I would avoid it for large upgrades. |
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| 14:53 | <tor_> | Gnome and KDE does. I'm on Debian 10 with cinnamon. I guess it doesn;t get one. Mint with cinnamon has it |
| 14:53 | <Avocato> | iirc Gnome on Debian *can* use its own store with Flatpaks, but I'm not sure. |
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| 14:57 | <tor_> | I think genome terminal is not in the debian repository as it will not install |
| 14:57 | <somiaj> | Over the years I've seen various issues with gui package managers, synamptic is the oldest and most mature, but beyond that, I would encourage users to just learn to use the command line with apt, it is very powerful. |
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| 14:57 | <somiaj> | tor_: It is, you must not have your sources setup. Can you share the output of 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 14:57 | <somiaj> | ,v gnome-terminal |
| 14:57 | <judd> | Package: gnome-terminal on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.1-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.2-1; buster: 3.30.2-2; bullseye: 3.38.3-1; sid: 3.38.3-1 |
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| 14:58 | <tor_> | where can i get the apt-policy? |
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| 14:58 | <somiaj> | tor_: when we ask for commands, you can get it from any terminal/command line. Also it is 'apt policy' no dash |
| 14:58 | <tor_> | ah, copy |
| 14:59 | <tor_> | i got the output, just need a sec to show you |
| 15:00 | <tor_> | I do thank you for the help |
| 15:00 | <somiaj> | just copy/paste it to paste.debian.net and share the link |
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| 15:02 | <tor_> | I'm quite embarrassed, how do I copy out of xterm? |
| 15:02 | <tor_> | ctrl + c is not working, right click wont wor... |
| 15:03 | <somiaj> | just select it (it auto copies) then middle mouse button pastes |
| 15:04 | <alex11> | i like synaptic for browsing packages by category but yeah i never install anything from it, i use cli for that |
| 15:04 | <tor_> | paste.debian.net/1198535 |
| 15:05 | <tor_> | sorry for moving slow, I'm running debian in a VM |
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| 15:14 | <tor_> | And i don't mind using command line, just gotta make sure im installing the correct files |
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| 16:16 | <_john_> | Hello all. I am currently having a fair bit of trouble forwarding any ports, TCP or UDP, to my server running Debian 10. It's a relatively new install, less than one week old. I have tried forwarding ports 80 (HTTP) and 22 (SSH) and cannot access either from outside my LAN (both are accessible from within the LAN, it's like it's refusing connections from external IPs). I have verified that my router configuration is not an issue - I |
| 16:16 | <_john_> | can forward ports on other hosts in my network without an issue. Could anybody recommend something for me to try to isolate and solve the problem? Cheers. |
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| 16:17 | <kenyon> | _john_: use IPv6 so that you don't have to do port forwarding nonsense |
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| 16:20 | <grawity> | use tcpdump to actually see what's happening |
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| 16:23 | <somiaj> | If you can access the ports from inside the network, but not outside, this sounds like an issue with the router, either not forwarding, or not returning the info. |
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| 16:35 | <_john_> | grawity - I have done a tcpdump, I'm not that knowlegable with networking, but when I try to access port 80 via my public IP address it seems that the HTTP request makes it to the server but the server isn't returning anything useful. |
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| 16:52 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all, please, I would like to know if, between flatpak and snap, which of these utilities usually causes more instability in Debian. |
| 16:52 | <r4fkramer> | I ask this question because I usually install packages always using apt and aptitude. |
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| 16:53 | <Ganneff> | i do use flatpak for some things which i need more recent than what stable contains. it works nicely, with some drawbacks. but not instability |
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| 16:54 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you for answering me Ganneff. In your case, do you use them for a long time in Debian ? |
| 16:54 | <ach> | i use snap also no instability |
| 16:54 | <somiaj> | I don't think there is inheriently a differnce bettween which is better, it all boils down to the quality of the actual snap or flatpak you install. |
| 16:54 | <Ganneff> | i use flatpak only, not snap. and what i install works. long time, dont know. year or two or so? |
| 16:54 | <somiaj> | In general they are a good method to try to get more distro indepdnent software for linux, but it all boils down to trust of the person who created them |
| 16:54 | <grawity> | in general I *think* flatpak is much more self-contained, snap uses apparmor and a lot of mounts, but I don't think it would still affect other software if snap runtime as a whole was properly installed |
| 16:55 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you for answering me somiaj :) |
| 16:55 | <ratrace> | and as far as snaps go (maybe flathub stuff too, dunno), they're ultimately random code uploaded by random people with zero verification or audit, so caveat emptor. |
| 16:55 | <ratrace> | there already was at least one known instance of malware embedded in a snap |
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| 16:56 | <r4fkramer> | Finr, Gannerf, so you are experienced on this method already. Thanks for sharing your experience with flatpak |
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| 16:57 | <r4fkramer> | Fine retrace, thank you for answering me too :) So, according this analysis, snap tend to cause more risks in a Debian Installation than flatpak. |
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| 16:58 | <r4fkramer> | In fact, I never heard about any similar issue happening in flatpak process. But, as I'm not experienced with both, I had this doubt |
| 16:58 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: I don't know that and I didn't say that. The problem is both are containerized "mini operating systems" carrying software. I don't have any experience with flathub, but as far as snapstore and snaps go, anyone can upload anything |
| 16:59 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you for answering me ach :) |
| 16:59 | <ChromaCat248> | i thought flatpaks just provided all the dependencies |
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| 16:59 | <grawity> | that's more or less the "mini operating system" tbh |
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| 17:00 | <somiaj> | ChromaCat248: that is the basic idea of flatpak, snap and appimage, static linked large binary blobs so they don't have to build for a particular distro's shared libaries |
| 17:00 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, retrace, I understood you. According your point of view, I got my own conclusion. |
| 17:00 | <ChromaCat248> | what i get from the term "mini operating system" is that it's in a container |
| 17:00 | <ratrace> | yeah, sans the kernel and methinks systemd, but each comes with its own coreutils, own libssl, own every little piece of code and config, resource and font, image and sound, that's needed for the program to run fully isolated atop of the linux kernel. |
| 17:01 | <somiaj> | Though in my understanding, all three of the same similar issues, it is all trust in the person who created it as you are downloading random code and running it on your system. (Note Debian's packages aren't any different, but in this you put trust in a central location of debian devs and their package policy/automatic audits) |
| 17:01 | <ratrace> | I'd say it's quite different |
| 17:02 | <somiaj> | Well it is putting trust in a central policy vs random users who upload stuff |
| 17:02 | <ratrace> | I can upload crypto miner right now into snapstore, there's no audit. I cannot submit a .deb without a mentor, or somoene looking at the package, and the package lingering in sid and maybe later testing, before getting out to stable |
| 17:02 | <jmcnaught> | Flatpak at least has runtimes that contain shared libraries used by multiple apps. |
| 17:02 | <r4fkramer> | Please, grawity, according to your experience, would it be somewhat hassle-free to use both installation features? |
| 17:02 | <ratrace> | sure, you have to delegate trust, but that trust has wildly different surfaces, between snaps and managed debs |
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| 17:04 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you for answering jmcnaught :) |
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| 17:07 | <r4fkramer> | My main question is whether any of these installation systems could pose a risk to Debian security, since they are not 'audited' as packages, as are the .deb packages downloaded and installed from the official OS repository. |
| 17:08 | <r4fkramer> | I used the term 'audited' as a mere analogy. |
| 17:08 | <grawity> | well, kinda the main idea of those systems is to "sandbox" the installed apps (much like Android or iOS apps are sandboxed) and not give full access |
| 17:08 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: yes. they _Are_ isolated and namespaced, but: a) that's not security boundary, b) you don't need to cross one to exploit system resources |
| 17:08 | <grawity> | not sure how well it works in practice though |
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| 17:09 | <grawity> | flatpak's containerization works on any distro, dunno if snap has the apparmor stuff on any non-ubuntu distro |
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| 17:09 | <ratrace> | the before mentioned crypto miner malware snap did not need to cross any security boundaries. it merely abused the cpu and RAM to make someone marginally richer. |
| 17:09 | <grawity> | nothing really stops an app from just declaring that it needs full access to your $HOME, though, for example |
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| 17:09 | <r4fkramer> | Fine retrace. Yes, grawity, I have this suspicion. |
| 17:09 | <ratrace> | grawity: it can even ask for permission, many/most people would give it :) |
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| 17:09 | <jmcnaught> | Packages from the Debian archive should be trusted above all else. |
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| 17:10 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: I'm not retrace, but ratrace :) you can use tab completion instead of typing out nicks. if you typo, as I you did, I don't get highlighted. |
| 17:10 | <ratrace> | %s/I you/you/ |
| 17:11 | <r4fkramer> | sorry ratrace, my eyes here |
| 17:11 | <ratrace> | np, my point is, no need to make it harder, just use tab completion with nicks |
| 17:12 | <r4fkramer> | Agree jmcnaught |
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| 17:13 | <r4fkramer> | Well, thank you very much for attention. I'll consider all these comments and points of view to get a more mature vision about the question 'snap vs flatpak'. |
| 17:13 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: there's also one more thing to consider: auto updates you can't disable, with snaps |
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| 17:14 | <ratrace> | I used to use pyCharm snap and that thing would upgrade in the middle of work day with me in the middle of code with that day commit deadline looming..... broke my workflow more than once. |
| 17:15 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, so don't you consider a serious risk for debian integrity ? |
| 17:16 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: it's marginally better than unpacking some random tarball you found on coders r us dot com, because of namespacing. |
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| 17:16 | <ratrace> | but I run even deb packaged and thus somewhat trusted, software behind AppArmor profiles I wrote myself, as I trust noone |
| 17:17 | <r4fkramer> | I see |
| 17:18 | <ratrace> | clearly I trust the kernel, but I guess you can see my point. security is about layering mitigations, there's no single on-off switch |
| 17:18 | <ratrace> | and snaps have "verified" profiles so if I were pressed to use a snap, I'd "trust" the verified profile one more than unverified profile |
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| 17:18 | <r4fkramer> | Well, there are pros and cons related to this question. I'll make some tests in soon future. Currently I only use debian native package manager for installing packages |
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| 17:22 | <iwannnacommit> | hi anyone here |
| 17:22 | <iwannnacommit> | i wanna commit |
| 17:23 | <iwannnacommit> | here /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh |
| 17:23 | <iwannnacommit> | how can i |
| 17:24 | <ratrace> | how can you what |
| 17:24 | <iwannnacommit> | commit a change |
| 17:24 | <iwannnacommit> | cos there a problem |
| 17:24 | <iwannnacommit> | very small though |
| 17:25 | <ratrace> | well, for starters please use complete, single sentences, properly punctuated, and don't use enter as punctuation. now, are you talking about submitting a change patch against a debian package (wpasupplicant?)? |
| 17:25 | <iwannnacommit> | yes |
| 17:25 | <iwannnacommit> | about functions.sh, but i cant find it in the cgit |
| 17:25 | <ratrace> | you can file a bug report with the patch |
| 17:25 | <iwannnacommit> | http://w1.fi/cgit |
| 17:25 | <iwannnacommit> | yeah where can i file bug report pl |
| 17:25 | <iwannnacommit> | pls |
| 17:26 | <ratrace> | !bts |
| 17:26 | <dpkg> | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 17:27 | <iwannnacommit> | thx |
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| 21:13 | <twb> | Hey refresh my memory - I've been doing ZFS lately - what's the right procedure to re-add a disk to an existing (assembled, in use) mdadm array? |
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| 22:34 | <twb> | How can I query LLDP when *NOT* running systemd? I want the equivalent of networkctl status --all's "Connected To: swift on port 63 (C11)" which appears to be LLDP, I think "passive" "receive-only" "neighbour discovery" rather than full-blown LLDPd |
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| 22:57 | <josh-debian-test> | Looking for a simple search frontend for use with gnome on my debian box... I'm surprised after 10 years of linux I've never felt the need for such a thing... |
| 22:59 | <jmcnaught> | Search for what? |
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| 23:05 | <josh-debian-test> | files on local system, simple ui for choosing where to search, including what in /mnt /media etc. jmcnaught |
| 23:05 | <josh-debian-test> | I've seen a search tool on a mate system, so I assume there's something gtk available |
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| 23:09 | <jmcnaught> | josh-debian-test: there is some file searching done in the Activities overview (hit <Super> or top-left hot corner), but it only shows one result it seems. |
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| 23:10 | <jmcnaught> | josh-debian-test: Nautilus (Files) can also search all sub-directories with Ctrl+F, but that would not do /home and /media at the same time unless you searched from / |
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| 23:11 | <hunter> | hello |
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| 23:12 | <somiaj> | jmcnaught: the command line tool 'find' is quite nice |
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| 23:16 | <jmcnaught> | josh-debian-test: maybe kupfer is what you are looking for, I just did an aptitude search for the debtags use::searching and uitoolkit::gtk and that was one of the results. |
| 23:17 | <hunter> | ] |
| 23:17 | <jmcnaught> | (aptitude search ~Guse::searching~Guitoolkit::gtk) |
| 23:17 | <hunter> | ] |
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| 23:26 | <hunter> | whatsup?] |
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| 23:28 | <hunter> | let me understand a thing... someone here is alive haha ? |
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| 23:30 | <twb> | jmcnaught: catfish |
| 23:31 | <twb> | It's a GUI wrapper around locate/find |
| 23:32 | <jmcnaught> | josh-debian-test: ^ |
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