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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-05-29

---Logopened Sat May 29 00:00:05 2021
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00:02<DeeEff>maferv: sorry, I was away from my pc. Sounds like you got your answer though
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00:03<Mustache>first they came for the #liberia ns and we said nothing, then they came for #israel and we said nothing, they even went after chatters with #autism. they dont want us to #stopasianhate
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00:06<String_Bean>first they came for the #liberia ns and we said nothing, then they came for #israel and we said nothing, they even went after chatters with #autism. they dont want us to #stopasianhate
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01:05<TigerbotHesh>is it ok to have iptables and nftables installed at the same time? I'm trying to learn how to setup the firewall on my VPS
01:06<TigerbotHesh>bit wary of removing iptables after having installed nftables
01:07<sney>iptables and nftables are two sets of tools that control the same thing
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01:07<sney>(the kernel firewall, netfilter)
01:07<TigerbotHesh>ah ok
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01:08<TigerbotHesh>so it's just likely to interefere..
01:08<sney>you should pick one and stick with it.
01:08<TigerbotHesh>debian wiki suggests nftables should be the one to stick with, I'll do that then, thanks!
01:08<sney>for reassurance, run 'apt show iptables' and read the first sentence of the long description.
01:09<TigerbotHesh>yeah that's exactly it
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01:12<TigerbotHesh>oh damn, docker wants iptables
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01:25<rakor>Good morning
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02:24<RoyK>morning
02:24<stylesen>%m
02:24<dselect>from memory, m is (lower case) a metric thousandth or (upper case) a metric million or (greek) a metric millionth, or compile as a module in a kernel configuration. And also James Bond's boss. MUMPS, A programming language with extensive tools for the support of database management systems.
02:24<RoyK>anyone that knows if smartmontools can be used with scsi enclosure services somehow?
02:25<RoyK>as in to control leds
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06:39<nyuszika7h>why does dpkg treat 14.5.0 as a higher version number than 14.5? https://termbin.com/0cue
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06:57<ratrace>nyuszika7h: because it's not decimal 0? .10 != 0.1
06:57<ratrace>thus that 0 has different meaning. if you add .0 to x.y, you've increased the version, the new version is x.y.0
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07:02<nyuszika7h>who's talking about .10?
07:02<nyuszika7h>I would expect X.Y and X.Y.0 to be equal, the patch version would be implied to be 0 if not specified
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07:21<unixbsd_2>hi
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07:21<unixbsd_2>that he took over freenode? what is the problem with lee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur) he looks pacific, no?
07:21<ratrace>nyuszika7h: I am talking about .10 because of the principle of calculation. 0 is not decimal 0
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07:24<ratrace>nyuszika7h: or in other words, x.y.z is always > x.y . that .0 is one version greater than x.y
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07:25<nyuszika7h>well, I guess that's how it is, but it still makes no sense to me... nobody would simply append a .0 to a version number to increment it
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07:26<ratrace>why not? switching from x.y to x.y.z versioning scheme, you've added a .0 and thus increased version
07:27<ratrace>even if that .0 only contains a README addition of "Hey, we've switched versioning". for build systems and package managers to notice the change, x.y.0 > x.y
07:28<nyuszika7h>I wouldn't make a new release just for that, I would just start the change with X.Y.1 or X.(Y+1).0
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07:28<nyuszika7h>but either way epoch version already exists to solve the problem
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07:30<ratrace>is this causing you a problem, though?
07:31<nyuszika7h>it was, technically it was due to a bug in a package (not Debian directly, rather iOS, but using apt/dpkg), but I found this behavior unexpected
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07:31<nyuszika7h>the auto-generated firmware package set the version to 14.5.0 because it just added patch version unconditionally, and another package depended on firmware (<= 14.5) so it failed to satisfy the dependency
07:33<ratrace>so the problem is in iOS
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07:34<nyuszika7h>well, not iOS itself because Apple doesn't use apt/dpkg, but jailbreaks do
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07:34<nyuszika7h>technically it *is* a bug in the firmware package generation script that was fixed, but if I wrote a version comparison system I would personally treat 14.5 and 14.5.0 as equal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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07:35<nyuszika7h>probably not going to be changed now even if people thought it made sense because it could break things, was just trying to understand the logic
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07:35<ratrace>or use dpkg for version comparison as rules may change and dpkg, if up to date, would know about it
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07:36<nyuszika7h>it *does* use dpkg for version comparison since the GUI package manager is calling apt to install packages, that's where the issue came from
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07:39<nyuszika7h>I meant it probably wouldn't be changed in dpkg because if any existing packages rely on .0 being greater than the lack of it it would break those
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07:41<bch>Hi; I am using openbsd-cwm on Debian. Is there a way to activate the thinkpad hotkeys (T480) in cwm (calm window manager)? They do work in xfce4, so, I suspect I have to activate some service. But which one?
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07:50<bch>~.
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07:54<TobiX>bch: The buttons on my X230 create "normal" multimedia key codes, so you probably just need to configure them as hotkeys
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07:56<ratrace>bch: you can use `xev` to find out keycodes generated, and then do whatever cwm does to bind them
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07:56<bch>Hmm, right. TobiX how do you change the brightness?
07:56<bch>I saw that the hoteky for activating wireless LAN works but for brightness, it is ont working.
07:57<TobiX>bch: Fn+F8/F9 generate XF86MonBrightnessUp/XF86MonBrightnessDown for me
07:57<bch>(i am currently doing some arithmetic on /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness but I'd prefer a utility)
07:57<TobiX>And you need some service/tool to react to them...
07:58<TobiX>Try `xev -event keyboard` to find which keys create which key codes
07:59<bch>Yes, thanks. Which utility should I use for brightness control? (at the moment, I have a custom script to increment the number in /syc/class/backlight/.../brightness )
07:59<bch>xbacklight finds no outputs.
07:59<TobiX>Nice, there really is a XF86WLAN keycode :D
08:00<bch>saw that too :)
08:00<bch>the full list is here: /usr/include/X11/XF86keysym.h
08:00<TobiX>Learned something new
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08:02<bch>In cwmrc, I am now doing this: bind-key XF86MonBrightnessDown "/home/bch/bin/brightness down"
08:02<bch>brightness is a custom script to increment/decrement /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness.
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08:03<TobiX>I once used http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/tpb/ - But I think most of those features are now integrated in the kernel and you should use generic tools instead...
08:04<TobiX>I use KDE nowadays and all those keys just work out-of-the-box...
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08:04<bch>that is the case with xfce4 as well.
08:04<TobiX>Maybe you can use xfce4-power-manager outside XFCE?
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08:05<bch>but with xfce4, I had some problems with using xclipboard(1). :/
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09:20<ratrace>Why is RC bug count growing over time for Stable release? What does it mean exactly, since Stable is already released. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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09:22<egawrilow2016>Hello, Debian community. I have question. I have error in Debootstrap image launched in Termux's Proot. This error manifests in APT and DPKG. How to solve? Log: https://paste.debian.net/1199283.
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09:44<omegatron>egawrilow2016: well, as the error messages indicate ... - are you running the command as root ?
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09:48<egawrilow2016>omegatron: yes.
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09:53<ratrace>looks like the environment that "termux proot" created is insufficient/incomplete
09:54<ratrace>readonly fs? noexec /tmp? ...
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09:58<egawrilow2016>ratrace: start.sh file: https://paste.debian.net/1199296
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09:58<omegatron>incomplete would mean, you need to install other packages first, such as pulseaudio, lightdm in your case .. question is, if they are (known) dependencies, why aren't they installed automatically !?
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10:00<ratrace>egawrilow2016: sorry, no idea what that is
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10:01<egawrilow2016>ratrace: I'm created image with Debootstrap (debootstrap --arch=armhf stable ~/debian-stable/ http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/)
10:02<omegatron>hm, according to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/proot.1.html it's not necessary to run proot as superuser .. interesting
10:03<omegatron>ok, this https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/proot/proot.1 is for debian .. =)
10:05<egawrilow2016>omegatron: I'm now recreate this image and reinstalling LXDE as Proot's root
10:08<egawrilow2016>omegatron: I'm check start.sh file and I found a -0 (root) parameter.
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10:09<egawrilow2016>I'm in vain delete image :(.
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10:12<egawrilow2016>omegatron: this packages (lightdm, pulseaudio, etc) is installed, but is not configured.
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10:25<bentham>Is there a convenient way to separate the input line of an interactive session from the output? (say, for a program that scrolls output asynchronously while also accepting user commands)
10:25<bentham>I've always wanted this tool but never had the sense to ask
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10:27<bentham>It seems like the sort of thing that should have been written about four decades ago, perhaps five
10:28<ratrace>bentham: tmux, screen, ...
10:29<bentham>ratrace: I guess I can just channel the output to a different tty and then mix them together with screen?
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10:29<ratrace>or dump the stdout/stderr into a file and tail the file
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10:30<bentham>ratrace: sure, I know how to do that. But is there an easy method to do all of this in one tty?
10:31<bentham>in particular I want a command line at the bottom and scrolling output above.
10:31<bentham>Seems like a standard desideratum
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10:31<bentham>Is there anything in the screen man page that I should review?
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10:32<ratrace>if anything can do what you want, it should be screen and tmux. I don't know if another tool exists.
10:33<ratrace>at any rate it'd have to be a proces that attaches to your program's stdin/stout/stderr and then processes the input and output that way
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10:35<bentham>ratrace: yea, that makes sense. I would not be surprised to learn that there is an incantation to do it in screen. But I don't know what it is, and I wonder whether there is a common idiom for it
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10:37<ratrace>bentham: tmux has "pipe-pane" directive, which would be exactly what you want, pipe the stdout/stderr to a specific pane, where stdin is on another pane. split the panes vertically in the same windows that voila!
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10:38<ratrace>... or not, says it pipes to a command.... bleh.
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10:39<bentham>ratrace: thanks for that; perhaps the command could be something like exec &> /dev/pts/10
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10:40<ratrace>yeah actually: https://superuser.com/questions/876034/pipe-directly-to-a-tmux-pane
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10:41<bentham>ratrace: I see; thanks!
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11:09<bone-baboon>When I do `/quote list *debian*` there are lots of channels in the output. What would be a good channel to ask about a Debian package that potentially has issues in regards to the FSF's four software freedoms. <https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html>
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11:24<TobiX>bone-baboon: Probably better to ask on the debian-legal mailing list
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11:32<bone-baboon>TobiX: Thanks
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11:39<bone-baboon>When I try to open <https://wiki.debian.org/SameKernel> I get 403 Forbidden. Could someone share this pages contents in a paste please.
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11:39<mramirkhan>Does anyone have experience of ISCSI? I'm trying to monitor when my iscsi target goes AWOL on my raspberry pi using a combination of "/usr/bin/iscsiadm -m session -P 3" and some grep'ing but i've noticed that the command flips between showing the mount and not. I suspect this might be because i've got it setup to automount but unsure. Anyone monitored an iscsi target using a better way?. It's running Raspbian, but A
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11:41<mramirkhan>even something as simple as "/usr/bin/iscsiadm -m session -P 1" alternates between showing the mounted target to not. Again 99% sure because of the automount, because i'm not experiencing issues because its not there.
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11:50<mramirkhan>actually nevermind, i'll just snarf the nagios iscsi monitoring agent and use that standalone :D
11:50<mramirkhan>seems to work great
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13:59<Travis>Hello
14:00<omegatron>o/
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14:01<Travis>I have a voice chat program installed on Debian, that has no sound. I am trying to fix it, and am stumped.
14:01<Travis>It's actually a Windows-only program, installed through PlayOnLinux.
14:01<Travis>Evidently, Pulseaudio isn't handling that very well.
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14:10<Travis>FYI...spam bots are back again!
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14:17<ddsys>is there a way to spam the spam bots?
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14:19<sney>not that would accomplish anything
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14:19<sney>like barking back at a dog, now you're just both barking
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14:21<bremner>we could set the channel +R for while if it gets bad
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14:30<larzen>Odd.. I can't seem to get into the alpine-linux channel
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14:31<bremner>and you ask here because?
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14:34<omegatron>i don't see a question - just a monologue
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14:38<PiRATA>larzen, +r
14:39<larzen>Oh, because I am new on this network - generally use a combo of various linuxes..
14:39<larzen>and strangely can't join channels, even though I have a registered nick with nickserv
14:40<PiRATA>what modes do you have?
14:40<PiRATA>iR?
14:41<bremner>larzen: you need to register your nick
14:41<wyatt8750>https://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html
14:41<wyatt8750>R = registered nicks only
14:41<PiRATA>yup
14:42<wyatt8750>i == invite only
14:42<wyatt8750>so you likely need someone to /invite you before you can join #aplineliux, i guess
14:43<wyatt8750>*alpine
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14:43<PiRATA>I think i is identified
14:43<PiRATA>for users
14:43<PiRATA>and i for invite only on channels
14:43<wyatt8740>might differ based on the ircd, i suppose
14:43<wyatt8740>ah yeah
14:43<wyatt8740>d'oh
14:44<wyatt8740>https://www.alien.net.au/irc/usermodes.html
14:44<wyatt8740>i == invisible according to that page
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14:45<larzen>@PiRATA - got the invite, but it still says can't join.
14:46<PiRATA>did you /msg NickServ IDENTIFY passwd?
14:46<larzen>Yup!
14:46<PiRATA>if you did, dunno
14:46<larzen>But it says my nick is not "verified" whatever that means.
14:47<PiRATA> /whois what modes do you have?
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14:51<larzen>I don't have +r, also -NickServ- VERIFIED: NO
14:51<PiRATA>so thats your problem
14:52<PiRATA>FIX IT
14:52<PiRATA>jk
14:52<PiRATA>xD
14:52<larzen>lol - I wish i knew what the command is!
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14:52<PiRATA> /msg NickServ help
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14:53<craigevil>if you are identified and verified /whois yourname shows: user has identified and verified with services
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14:55<larzen>Oh there is a website =) I googled it.
14:56<larzen>Nickserv needs some more guidance on this. All good now!
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14:56<larzen>There we go =) THanks!
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16:26<sych1ll>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/all/net/tor <= it says tor is unavailable. What happened?
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16:28<sych1ll>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/net/tor <= here it is.. not sure what the "all" subdir means
16:28<SubOptimal>sych1ll: Wrong link? Try https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/tor
16:30<sych1ll>this page lists tor, but when you click on it it says it's not there: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/all/net
16:31<sych1ll>anyway, not a problem for me but looks like a bug in the webpage
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16:32<SubOptimal>Maybe. I got my link after searching for the package https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bullseye&searchon=names&keywords=tor
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16:44<Sqrt{not}>sych1ll, I don't see how that is a bug in the web page, looks more like an input error
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16:55<will0w>something is screwing up .config/mimeapps.list on my recently-upgraded-to-bullseye system
16:55<will0w>lots of double entries
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16:57<will0w>even though i was not using lxqt (it was installed by using plasma), lxqt-session was launching at system initialization. there were a bunch of lxqt-* entries in /etc/xdg/autostart which I removed. however lxqt-session was *still* starting. i finally just removed the package completely
16:57<will0w>*but using
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17:08<unixbsd>where to find the DVD of debian sarge 3.1 iso on debian.org + what is the sources.list ?
17:09<fmneto>https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
17:10<unixbsd>ok for sources.list http://archive.debian.org/debian/ but where is the DVD sarge 3.1 ?
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17:11<unixbsd>where is the DVD sarge 3.1 ?
17:11<yevaud>asking the same thing over and over is unlikely to get a response.
17:12<plaur>hello, the installation guide suggests using "d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select de" to set the keyboard layout via preseeding, but this didin't work for the console when I put the preseed file in initrd on netinst. the layout remained us, and console-setup wasn't even installed
17:12<fmneto>Yeah i'm ignoring que at this point
17:13<plaur>strangely, this seems to work when installing from the Xfce installation CD... any idea?
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17:14<unixbsd>ok i found here https://ia800207.us.archive.org/31/items/debian_3.0r6_i386/debian-30r6-dvd-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso
17:14<fmneto>xkb only refers to the graphical environment. I don't know the option for the console though. Should be something related to console-setup
17:14<unixbsd>but I would like to download from the official debian.org website the DVD of sarge. how is possible?
17:15<ajak>why? it's a mirror
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17:17<plaur>fmneto: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610524 says this option should forward this setting to everything and the manual is correct, and console-setup should be used everywhere - since 2011
17:17<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/610524 in debian-installer (closed): «Preseed: Debian Installer asks for keyboard-configuration/variant»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-01-19; last modified: 2012-04-25.
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17:20<plaur>I found https://pastebin.com/1Lifkvrd from a German user, also from 2011, with a working config (not tested yet). but for me using the Xfce CD seems to work as described in the manual, just the netinst doesn't seem to. i found people asking on reddit and stack overflow in 2020 and 2021 about this as well, i guess i'm not the only one with problems
17:20<will0w>NONUS iso - is that from the days when they were trying to restrict exports of gpg?
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17:21<fmneto>yep
17:22<fmneto>I feel obligated to point out that installation in those days was significantly harder than it is today.
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17:25<plaur>yes, been using debian since 2001 (2.2r3), it has improved in usability since then. it's just that the preseeding seems somewhat fragile, the same preseed file can lead to different results just by repeating the install on the same hardware :(
17:25<unixbsd>there is not a DVD on any mirrors
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17:26<unixbsd>where to find the dvd installation of sarge 3.1 ?
17:26<unixbsd>bill gates deleted them? ;)
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17:27<fmneto>plaur: good to know, but I was talking about the fellow wanting to install Sarge.
17:27<will0w>i remember installing sarge
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17:28<will0w>i remember mandrake and another distro that was pentium-optimized but i forget its name
17:28<plaur>unixbsd: sarge hasn't been supported with security updates formore than a decade. only the currently supported versions are offered for download https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/
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17:29<plaur>the packages are still available in the archive though, you could build your own install cd if you really wanted to...
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17:30<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#old
17:30<plaur>fmneto: oops, sorry, i thought you were talking to me about preseeding and the installer... :)
17:30<somiaj>the old netinstall iamges for sarge seem to be arhived.
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17:31<fmneto>plaur: all good. I'm sorry I can't help you out with that
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17:32<plaur>indeed https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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17:32<plaur>unixbsd: ^
17:32<somiaj>the faq I linked describes this, note you have to mess with the sources.list to get the image to work
17:33<plaur>fmneto: thanks :)
17:34<will0w>Stampede Linux. That was it. Really cool distro in 2001
17:34<Sqrt{not}>unixbsd, look here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
17:34<will0w>https://web.archive.org/web/20011127151140/https://distrowatch.com/
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17:34<fmneto>The price you pay for using ancient software
17:35<will0w>that an Palm V
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17:35<Sqrt{not}>ahh, plaur faster than me ;)
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17:43<will0w>https://web.archive.org/web/20001017172623/http://www.stampede.org/about.php3
17:44<PiRATA>php3 lol
17:44<PiRATA>brought some sad memories
17:44<Ganneff>so, now, back to some debian topic, please?!
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17:44<Ganneff>there is #debian-offtopic for the rest
17:44<PiRATA>ok
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18:11<peace2>Is there an email to web gateway, like bugs.debian.org, but which posts emails of any topic, if they are sent to a certain address?
18:12<peace2>Like a pastebin that accepts email submissions.
18:14<bone-baboon>On the debian-legal mailing list I have asked this question. Is Rust not free software because of the Rust trademark policy? <https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2021/05/msg00005.html> If Rust is not free software how would that impact Debian packages that have Rust as a build time dependency?
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18:15<bone-baboon>See the link for further information.
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18:22<bahamat>Does dash have something like BASH_XTRACEFD? Hopefully that I'm missing...
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18:39<eight>What is the common intersection between irc drama, hamradio and spambot ?
18:40<alex11>idiocy
18:41<eight>But why hamradio ?
18:42<sney>that's a red herring
18:44<sney>supernets spammers like to cause strife by pitting random channels against each other. #hamradio on libera is likely innocent, it just has >300 people in it
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18:49<eight>That's what #hamradio would want you to think if they are the actual spammers
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19:07<darkphysics>Hi
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19:09<sney>hi
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19:11<darkphysics>Is there an official Debian build of docker?
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19:13<sussudio>darkphysics: yes, but probably not the one you want.
19:13<darkphysics>oh? How so?
19:14<sussudio>darkphysics: apt-cache show docker
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19:15<darkphysics>sussudio: what I meant to ask was, why would I not want to use it?
19:15<sussudio>i don't know, i can't read minds.
19:16<sussudio>!docker
19:16<dpkg>docker is available in debian, see https://wiki.debian.org/Docker General docker help is available at #docker on chat.freenode.net https://xkcd.com/1988/
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19:20<graytron>freenode :)
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19:49<rahrah>Hi, I'm having problems with the hamradio spambot in another channel and wonder how I at least can get the autokill that happens in the #debian channels. Does anybody know?
19:50<rahrah>Oops, apologies, I thought I was in #debian-offtopic.
19:51<another>maybe ask in #oftc
19:51<rahrah>Will do, thanks!
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22:24<matthias>How unfortunate, how every minor or major event in the FOSS community seems to startle and activate the trolls and spam bots.
22:33<compuguy>Honestly it looks like there are official channels for debian here, Libera, and Freenode.....🤔
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22:37<craigevil>oftc are the official Debian channels
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23:25<compuguy>That's what I thought. It makes all this spamming pointless.....
23:26<sney>the point of the spam is to make using irc annoying
23:26<sney>they don't care about any of the details, it's just straight griefing
23:26<compuguy>I can see that....
23:27<sney>and debian tries to make useful support available regardless of which f/oss network you happen to be on, so we have a #debian on all 3, but OFTC is still the primary network for debian channels.
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23:31<lgy>anyone
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23:35<somiaj>We also keep this channel as open as we can, so don't required users to register. If the spam ever gets too bad we may temporarly only allow registered users to speak which cuts it down a lot.
23:36<spine-o-saurus>sweat deal
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