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00:24<unixbsd>hi
00:24<unixbsd>what is the opensource mathematica package in debian?
00:24<unixbsd>(altenraive)
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00:35<jmcnaught>unixbsd: sagemath, or maybe you can find one here: https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/mathematics
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01:31<Langley>Hello, I need to install the 32 bit version of libldap, but I can't figure out how. It shows up as Available when searching with pkcon
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01:35<eight>Langley: A good starting point maybe dpkg --add-architecture i386 ?
01:35<Langley>Installed it by manually scrolling all the way down to it in Synaptic... how do I install 32 bit things more easily?
01:35<Langley>Yes I have added i386
01:35<eight>Then apt-get update; apt-get install package:i386
01:36<Langley>Oh I didn't try apt-get, only tried pkcon and apt
01:36<Langley>Can those two not find i386 packages?
01:37<eight>apt and apt-get are similar in practice
01:37<eight>Try update then apt install package:i386 ?
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01:38<Langley>It just says it's unable to locate libldap:i386
01:39<eight>In stable there are ldap-utils, libldap-2.4-2, libldap-common, libldap2-dev that are built from openldap
01:40<eight>All are multiarch I believe
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01:40<Langley>Oh so it's because I had to specify the version
01:40<Langley>Why does the package name have the version for ldap specifically? weird
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01:42<eight>Well sometimes it's like that
01:42<plaur>do the backported kernels get quick security updates? even now, during freeze?
01:43<maxsurf_>How to have a non persistent qemu image. Autopkgtest use qemu images to test and leave as it is. How does it work
01:44<maxsurf_>s/as it is/clean
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01:46<valdyn>maxsurf_: you can do that manually step by step: create image, mount image, few setup steps to mount /proc /sys etc, run stuff inside, install boot manager
01:46<alex11>the only user writable dirs are /home and /tmp, correct?
01:46<Langley>Also weird is that Synaptic doesn't return any i386 packages when I search
01:47<valdyn>maxsurf_: you can do that manually step by step: create image, mount image, install debian inside using something like debootstrap,few setup steps to mount /proc /sys etc, run stuff inside, install boot manager
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01:48<somiaj>eight: note most -dev packages are not multiarch
01:49<somiaj>alex11: depends on the user, but for standard (no system users), that is correct unless you configure you system differently.
01:49<alex11>i just ask because for backups (with say rsync) afaik you need to copy over /etc as root for copy access
01:49<alex11>and /home obviously just as your user
01:50<valdyn>maxsurf_: it is in fact pretty straightforward, easy enough to script. Ask specifics if anything is not clear.
01:50<valdyn>maxsurf_: it is in fact pretty straightforward, easy enough to script. Ask specifics if anything is not clear or just google it
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01:53<somiaj>alex11: I would clarify, the user doing the backup needs read access, and there are files in /etc which only root can read.
01:53<maxsurf_>valdyn, Yes I can create qemu images manually. But what I am asking is a non-persistent image. Do anything but don't save to image
01:54<somiaj>alex11: Also if you want to save the permissions (ownership) you'll also want to be root if backuping /etc
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01:54<alex11>i don't know jack about this :P i should probably read more
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01:54<valdyn>maxsurf_: use a RAM disk
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01:54<somiaj>alex11: A lot depends on your backup model. Is this for just a desktop machine?
01:54<alex11>yeah
01:55<alex11>afaik i can just use rsync with -av and --delete
01:55<somiaj>alex11: one backup model is to not backup /etc, most of the files in there you probably don't need to backup.
01:55<alex11>that's true, i've only changed one
01:55<alex11>manually
01:55<somiaj>alex11: for the few configuration files which you do manually change, you can just create a copy of that one file for future refernce.
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01:56<somiaj>alex11: many users could just backup $HOME and be okay. That is all your user data. Now to restore from a hardawre crash, you'll have to reinstall the full os from the internet and then copy $HOME back over and those few configuration files
01:56<alex11>/home /usr/local and crontabs i think
01:56<alex11>are what i'll mostly need
01:56<alex11>and /root i guess
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01:57<somiaj>I personaly only backup my $HOME, and then reinstall if I need to recoer
01:57<valdyn>maxsurf_: your qemu image can be stored on a file, but you can also store it on a block device directly, so also any tmpfs. That is a disk device in memory.
01:57<somiaj>alex11: even with /usr/local I would just reinstall from source or whatever install method I used, as opposed to a backup. There are differnt backup models (just recall think about recovery as well as what data you want more copies of)
01:58<alex11>i'm not even sure i need /root, i don't have any bash aliases
01:58<valdyn>maxsurf_: oops, i shouldnt have said 'tmpfs'. You probably cannot boot that. Anyway you can create that block device in memory and create anything there.
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01:59<eight>valdyn: Isn't tmpfs and ramfs the same thing ?
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02:00<valdyn>eight: thats filesystems, not RAM disks. I never mentioned 'ramfs'.
02:00<alex11>thanks somiaj
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02:02<eight>valdyn: Okay i see what you mean
02:02<maxsurf_>valdyn, Is it also the same thing in lxc. There is autopkgtest-virt-lxc as well.
02:04<alex11>i'll copy over my package list too
02:08<valdyn>maxsurf_: the technically better way to do something like this in linux is to delete the file after usage. I'm not sure what you want to achieve with this.
02:08<somiaj>!aptitude clone
02:08<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
02:08<somiaj>alex11: ^^ that will save auto install options
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02:10<alex11>neat
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02:16<maxsurf_>valdyn, I want to have a clean qemu image every time to build and test things.
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02:31<valdyn>maxsurf_: just create and delete. The properties of linux imply that a ramdisk makes not much sense at all when you have a physical disk.
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02:42<alex11>does the trailing slash on the destination for rsync matter?
02:42<valdyn>alex11: of course
02:42<enyc>valdyn: implies creating a directory, or so?
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02:43<alex11>does it?
02:43<alex11>i'm talking about destination, not source
02:44<enyc>alex11: I still suspect it matters in case destintion is a directory and does not yet exist, or so, taht kind of case
02:44<alex11>https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31278098/slashes-and-the-rsync-command seems to answer this
02:44<alex11>right
02:44<alex11>this does, it's my external hd in /media
02:46<enyc>alex11: oooh yes
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02:47<valdyn>alex11: "rsync -a dir1 dir2" will copy dir1 *to* dir2. "rsync -a dir1 dir2/" will copy dir1 *into* dir2
02:47<enyc>valdyn: right and as such, the final comment on that stackoverflow above is wrong in that regard
02:47<alex11>so it's analogous to mv
02:48<alex11>for me source is the more important thing
02:48<alex11>just wanted to know i understand the basics
02:48<valdyn>alex11: always seemed to me that it works as i would expect intuitively.
02:48<alex11>yes, but i'm dumb :D
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03:15<alex11>i think trailing slash on dest might matter more for restoring data to crontab
03:15<alex11>i have to be a bit careful how i do that
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03:17<alex11>though it should only be a single text file for each
03:18<alex11>so i'll just copy those and not huge chucks of /var
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03:18<alex11>chunks*
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03:28<ratrace>what are you even trying to do?
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03:30<alex11>just backing up data in anticipation of eventual restore when i need it
03:30<alex11>i know what i'm doing now
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03:32<ratrace>rsync -vaHAXx --exlude=/something --exclude=/or/something/else / /mnt/backup/
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03:37<xnaas>rsync and rclone are invaluable tools.
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04:07<alex11>i was thinking of -u or something but --delete should cover my use cases
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05:34<sward>Does an announcement about another channel really need shouting in #debian, on OFTC, which is where it’s staying, and is not the network everyone’s jumping ship from?
05:35<ratrace>sward: it's just spam and harassment of someone in #hamradio. ignore it very much :)
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05:39<sward>When I switch over her and see it twice on the same screenful it’s just spam
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05:40<azeem>sward: well sure, but what can we do about it? The user got k-lined almost immediately, but this is outside of the channel ops control (unless it repeats often for an extended period)
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05:40<azeem>so please cut out complaining about spam, you're doing exactly what they want you to do
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05:41<sward>Noted, apologies
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08:04<ZenWalker>hi all
08:04<ZenWalker>we, on #debian-es notice the same spam as I see before
08:05<Ganneff>the ham radio crap?
08:06<ZenWalker>yes, the same spam with the same channel publicity...
08:06<ratrace>and it's best to ignore it.
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08:07<ZenWalker>yes, seems the ops aren't active
08:07<Ganneff>i am, switch over there please.
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08:08<ratrace>ZenWalker: nothing to do with ops. this kind of spam is near-impossible to prevent
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08:08<ratrace>one could recommend the channel going +r, but it's easer to stick "hamradio" in your /ignore and be done with it
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08:09<Ganneff>+M / +R keeps the current set of bots out effectively, but please, more of that -> elsewhere. #debian-offtopic or so
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08:12<ZenWalker>ok :)
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08:43<JESUS>QUE SIGUE?
08:43<JESUS>SAALUDOS A TODOS
08:43<azeem>!es
08:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
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08:43<JESUS>OK
08:43<JESUS>GRAX
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09:59<zathras>I run Debian Buser XFCE4 and am wondering why are my sound setting fubared between sessions? Regardless what I do settings are restored to previous bad settings and not to what I did setup. Also the LEDs on my Mute/MicMute buttons no longer work. Mic also is noisy. Driving me nuts while running around in circles. How can I debug/fix this please?
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10:02<zathras>could very well be that every kernel or other mayor package upgrade is challenging. It worked fine for a long time. Got fubarred. Took a reinstall and a long time to fix, worked for a while and sucks again
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10:27<zathras>it even remembers my vlc volume and shows that in the mixer panel although vlc is not running. Seems to have a mind of its own.
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10:40<egawrilow2016>I have error in Prooted Debootstrap system. This error manifests in APT and DPKG. Log files: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hLh4WRgHLjBMw-6bcmx_jHgn5gvVSqHS?usp=sharing
10:41<ratrace>zathras: tried to use something like pavucontrol to define (application) levels?
10:44<egawrilow2016>Errors manifests in install LXDE on Proot.
10:44<sussudio>zathras: a 6 year old reddit thread suggests running "alsactl store" as root or installing pavucontrol
10:46<zathras>ratrace, yes I have used pavucontrol. But used general settings there. What kind of intrigues me is that when running various mixers sometimes new/other options are presented which makes the number of combinations endless. Once things are out of control it is hard to get back to a sane setting
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10:46<zathras>sussudio, I can always try. Thanks
10:47<zathras>but then it also remains the question if you store system settings or user settings
10:48<zathras>nah. Not the case. alsactl is out of reach for users
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10:49<zathras>but even being part of group audio or not seems to make a big difference. If I make me part of group audio I have a noisy mic for sure. Weird
10:49<ratrace>pulse audio controls and alsa controls should be in sync
10:50<zathras>it almost makes me crave for the old days with kernel 2.x where you could fight for days with your soundcard, but at least it was going somewhere and it remained stable. Now I get 'the windows' feeling
10:50<ratrace>use alsamixer as your regular user, to check if all the relevant channels are unmuted and at maximum. then use pavucontrol to see individual application levels, if they're off
10:51<egawrilow2016>This error manifests in "installing, but not not configure". How yo solve?
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10:52<ratrace>zathras: in the end there's only one control that matters: pulseaudio. it instruments alsa in the backend.
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10:52<zathras>any idea about the LEDs in my FN mediakeys? They used to work :-(
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10:54<sussudio>zathras: i would check the logs, starting with dmesg
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10:56<zathras>nothing in dmesg that stands out. The function mute/unmute works, so the key is responsive etc, but the effect of the LED is not there
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11:03<sussudio>zathras: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1086606-start-0.html may get you started.
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11:07<zathras>sussudio, thanks. But afaik I need thinkpad-acpi which is loaded. All keys are working, even backlight on/off
11:07<zathras>except for the 2 leds
11:08<zathras>or 2 out of 4 I should say. But indeed it is most likely a kernel issue as behaviour changes during the boot process
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11:13<zathras>interesting. System sounds are now longer in sync (muted or not) with application sounds
11:13<zathras>now not longer
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11:14<egawrilow2016>I have a problem. When installing LXDE in a Proot environment, I get an installation error. In this case, the package itself is installed, not configured. What to do? Log file (term.log - terminal output during installation): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hLh4WRgHLjBMw-6bcmx_jHgn5gvVSqHS?usp=sharing
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12:00<bremner>I wonder what a Proot environment is
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12:03<sussudio>sounds vaguely sexual.
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12:06<craigevil>the description shows: emulate chroot, bind mount and binfmt_misc for non-root users. Termux uses it on Android, no clue why one would use it on Debian
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12:07<bremner>maybe looking for a schroot replacement. That is not crazy.
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13:22<bremner>if I need a systemd oneshot service to behave differently on different hosts, what's the best way of managing that?
13:23<bremner>obviously I could just use different service files, and maybe that is the best way.
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13:24<jmcnaught>You could use an override drop-in like /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/override.conf
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13:27<bremner>ah, interesting.
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13:27<jmcnaught>bremner: the details are in systemd.unit(5)
13:27<bremner>right
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13:28<jmcnaught>For directives like ExecStart= that can be on multiple lines to replace the original unit's directive you need a blank ExexStart= line followed by ExecStart=new-foo
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13:29<bremner>I guess ExecPreStart is in that category?
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13:30<bremner>ExecStartPre
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13:30<jmcnaught>I always spell it ExecPreStart first… anyways yes I think it can take multiple values.
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13:50<christo2015>help register
13:50<christo2015>oops
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13:52<christo2015>HELP REGISTER
13:52<christo2015>oops
13:52<sney>you need to /msg nickserv
13:53<sussudio>probably safer to /query nickserv
13:53<christo2015>i found it. /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER
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13:56<christo2015>:)
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14:18<sych1ll>i ran this after using debootstrap to install debian: "chroot /mnt/debian_target adduser sychill && chroot /mnt/debian_target usermod -aG sudo sychill" After rebooting and logging in, i still could not do "su - root". What else do I need to do?
14:19<sney>root needs a password for that to work.
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14:19<sney>the sudo group only affects sudo operation. if you have sudo installed, and your user is in the group, then 'sudo -i' will do the same thing as 'su - root'
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14:20<sych1ll>i actually never even added a "root" user. Does debootstrap do that?
14:20<sney>it's built in
14:22<sych1ll>thanks for the tip.. i 1st tried "sudo su - root", but sudo wasn't installed. so IIUC, my choices are: install sudo, or give root a password, correct? I think it's more secure if root doesn't have a password, so i'm tempted to just install sudo
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14:23<Sqrt{not}>%sudo su
14:23<dselect>Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su>
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14:25<sney>sych1ll: correct.
14:25<sney>and really try to internalize that they are separate tools.
14:25<jmcnaught>sych1ll: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#idm1485 (re: no root password)
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14:28<sych1ll>thanks, i appreciate the help!
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14:38<Caretaker13>Test.
14:41<Caretaker13>nick guest99999
14:42<Caretaker13>Test.
14:42<plaur>Caretaker13: first time on IRC? use /nick to change your name
14:42<sney>!new2irc
14:42<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
14:43<Caretaker13>Plaur: I did try "/nick guest99999", but it doesn't seem to do anything.
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14:45<plaur-alter-ego>works here
14:45<Caretaker13>NICK guest99999
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14:45<sney>Caretaker13: you need a / for any commands, otherwise the text will send to the channel
14:47<Caretaker13>sney, I did do "/nick guest99999". It did not seem to do anything.
14:47<plaur>Caretaker13: if you issued /nick guest99999 and it didn't work, there might be a message on the oftc tab explaining why. but this is a debian channel, ask us about debian, nobody cares what your nick is
14:48<Caretaker13>Does #Debian not allow changing a nick?
14:49<plaur>sure it does, look above, i had changed my nich to plaur-alter-ego just to show you, and then back to plaur ^
14:49<sney>Caretaker13: ask in #oftc if you need help with irc usage and nicks and whatever. this is #debian, we are here to help with debian
14:49<plaur>s/nich/nick
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14:50<Caretaker13>plaur, there was a message on OFTC: "guest99999 :Erroneous Nickname"
14:50<sney>Caretaker13: if you are unwilling to read people's instructions to you, then you are going to have a bad time on IRC
14:51<egawrilow2016>Hello! I have a problem. When installing LXDE in Proot, I am getting package configuration errors (lightdm, pulseaudio, udisks2 and related packages). What to do? Log 1: http://paste.debian.net/1199418, Log 2: http://paste.debian.net/1199421.
14:51<plaur>Caretaker13: please /join #oftc and ask for help with using irc there, as sney suggested
14:51<Caretaker13>Okay, thanks sney. I'll just go away. Sorry to have bothered you.
14:51*sney glues googly eyes to Caretaker13 as an upgrade
14:52<Caretaker13>And thanks plaur. I'll try #OFTC.
14:53<plaur>Caretaker13: come back here and ask us for help on debian once you got the irc basics figured out :)
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14:58<egawrilow2016>Hello! I have a problem. When installing LXDE in Proot, I am getting package configuration errors (lightdm, pulseaudio, udisks2 and related packages). What to do? Log 1: http://paste.debian.net/1199418, Log 2: http://paste.debian.net/1199421.
14:59<sussudio>!spam
14:59<dpkg>spam is, like, a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>.
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15:01<sney>egawrilow2016: Failed to scan devices: Permission denied
15:01<sney>I'm not familiar with proot, but this looks like the first thing that goes wrong.
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15:04<egawrilow2016>@sney, i'm using non-rooted Android.
15:05<sney>ok, then you will need to find some way to emulate device access within the chroot.
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15:08<egawrilow2016>@sney, watch 2nd log.
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15:10<sney>I looked at both of your logs, and the majority of your problems are caused by dpkg not being able to configure udisks2, which failed because it can't scan your devices.
15:11<sney>you can see here what the script is doing, https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/udisks2/-/blob/debian/master/debian/udisks2.postinst
15:11<sney>I don't know if a whole gui installation is even supported as a chroot on top of android, will X even be able to start?
15:14<egawrilow2016>@sney, through VNC.
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15:19<egawrilow2016>@sney, I don't care about problems with udisks2 (there is a solution on the Internet), but the problem with the "pulse" and "lightdm" groups worries me the most.
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15:24<sney>egawrilow2016: pulse can't start because it can't find dbus, and dbus won't run until X does, that's normal. everything else is held back by udisks2. do your "solution on the internet" then dpkg --configure -a
15:25<sney>lightdm might have gotten in a race condition. check if that group exists (in /etc/group) then dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
15:25<sney>finally,
15:25<sney>!mentions
15:25<dpkg>'@name' style mentions, common on social media and newer chat platforms, are not part of IRC. Most IRC clients ignore this kind of highlight. If you want to get someone's attention on IRC, don't @ them, simply type their nick at the beginning of the line. And while we have your attention, make sure that you read the <channel topic>.
15:26<egawrilow2016>sney, thank you.
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16:24<omegatron>hmm, wasn't there some web interface at debian.org, where I could search for the package, which provides a specific program, instead for the, in this case unknown, package itself?
16:27<mboehn>omegatron: http://packages.debian.org
16:28<omegatron>ah yes, thank you .. somehow I didn't find it
16:28<omegatron>my brain is not good today ... got some headache
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16:30<spawacz>I've just set a crossarch chroot, mounted the /dev, /proc and created /etc/passwd, hostname, shadow and so on,but the chroot is still very much unusable, what am i missing?
16:31<spawacz>reports problem with missing apt user, missing locales, "su" is crashing with some pam error, can't invoke passwd and so on
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16:31<spawacz>is that what's expected and all of that needs to be set up manually?
16:32<sney>you would also need /sys
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16:34<spawacz>didn't help
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16:35<sney>what did you pass to debootstrap when creating it?
16:37<spawacz>the only difference i can see with the tutorial is that
16:37<spawacz>mine proc mount is: proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
16:37<spawacz>in tutorial it was only (rw)
16:37<spawacz>is that the problem?
16:37<spawacz>and during bootstrap i passed --foreign
16:37<sney>no, you wouldn't be executing anything in /proc or having device files there, etc
16:38<spawacz>i lost the command, need to look for it
16:38<spawacz>but i've been pretty much following the docs
16:38<sney>link
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16:39<spawacz>https://wiki.debian.org/chroot
16:39<spawacz>there is this line:
16:39<spawacz>debootstrap --arch i386 stretch /srv/chroot/stretch http://deb.debian.org/debian
16:39<spawacz>i changed it to aarch64 and added --foreign
16:40<sney>are you doing this on a system that can execute aarch64 binaries?
16:40<spawacz>yeah i have qemu here, i can run the binaries
16:40<spawacz>i can chroot inside and compile and run programs
16:40<spawacz>but there are these weird issues i mentioned above
16:41<sney>pastebin the actual error messages
16:41<spawacz>sure, I'll run apt install with some package
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16:42<spawacz>is there any pastebin CLI?
16:42<sney>!termbin
16:42<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file
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16:43<spawacz>https://termbin.com/kq75
16:43<spawacz>wow
16:44<sney>ah wait, it's probably this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.en.html see the steps under D.3.4.
16:44<sney>particularly the "if the target architecture is different..."
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16:45<spawacz>ooh i need to finish the bootstrap?
16:46<sney>that's what it says
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16:46<spawacz>it wasnt written there, I'm gonna do it now, thanks
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17:16<spawacz>sney: it worked like a charm :)
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17:16<sney>!win spawacz
17:16<dpkg>Congratulations, spawacz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
17:16<spawacz>:D
17:16<spawacz>!win sney
17:16<dpkg>Congratulations, sney! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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17:47<Gerowen>Is there a graphical "service manager" for systemd? Just something that I can quickly click a button and see all systemd services and their status? Kinds like the services mmc in Windows?
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17:48<sussudio>Gerowen: just sort by cpu usage in top. that will probably show those right up there.
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17:50<mrjpaxton>If you want to see all systemd services and status in CLI at least, you can do `systemctl`.
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17:50<Gerowen>sussudio: K, I don't have any particular concerns about anything, I was just curious if there was a graphical frontend to something like systemctl -a . Top/htop would work for anything that's running though, :-)
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17:50<mrjpaxton>I kind of wish there were more GUIs to systemd as well.
17:50<mrjpaxton>strangely enough.
17:50<sney>yeah, even just to have open as a widget for monitoring
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17:53<Gerowen>Adding that and system temperatures to something like the Gnome system monitor would be nice.
17:53<jmcnaught>judd: bug rm systemd-ui
17:53<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/864954 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: systemd-ui -- RoQA/RoM; FTBFS, unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-17; last modified: 2017-07-23.
17:54<peace2>Which tool reports if a drive is encrypted with "LUKS" and implementation details like version and strength in bits?
17:54<jmcnaught>Also systemd-cgtop is worth checking out, especially in bullseye with CPU accounting on by default now
17:54<another>cryptsetup?
17:54<peace2>FWIW, I already have the passphrase.
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17:56<somiaj>ls
17:56<another>`cryptsetup status` and `cryptsetup luksDump`
17:57<peace2>another, Thank you. I will check it out.
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18:06<spine-o-saurus>whats the key combo to switch tty's in qemu?
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18:50<spawacz>grab the input with ctrl alt g and then switch as usual
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18:53<spine-o-saurus>that only prevents the mouse from traversing out of the VM
18:53<spine-o-saurus>the tty change still doesnt happen
18:54<spawacz>it does in my case
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18:55<somiaj>might depend on the viewer, when I use spice/vsync, my viewer has a menu option, 'send key combo'
18:55<somiaj>I just send the standard ctrl-alt-f? to switch ttys
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21:23<dpkg>Python 3 is in the python3 package and installs /usr/bin/python3. In buster, don't change the symlink for /usr/bin/python to point to a Python 3 interpreter as that is for Python 2 and packaged software will break if you change it. Want Python 3 = invoke 'python3'; explicit is better than implicit! In bullseye/sid, no packages use /usr/bin/python and the python-is-python2 and python-is-python3 packages deal with legacy code.
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21:31<hanyuwei70>ping
21:32<sney>pong
21:33<hanyuwei70>good morning @UTC+8 :_
21:33<hanyuwei70>good morning @UTC+8 :)
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21:38<alex11>morning hanyuwei70 :)
21:45<alex11>how can i list masked services?
21:49<alex11>nvm
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22:01<ortz>https://raw.githubusercontent.com/irssi/scripts.irssi.org/master/scripts/title.pl
22:01<ortz>oops
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22:05<lessobnoxiousnick>Hello, I recently installed Debian 10 on two identical servers. There is a root account and a non-root account. The non-root account was functioning fine and I installed Freedombox on both servers. A few hours later, non-root users suddenly stopped being able to authenticate or login on both servers.
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22:07<lessobnoxiousnick>Adding new users also results in them not being able to log in. I have a non-root user called "test". I can see "pam_access(login:account): access denied for user `test' from `tty1'" in auth.log
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22:08<lessobnoxiousnick>So far I have tried recreating /var/log/btmp, changing the password for my test user, and poked around some other files. I'm not clear on why non-root users suddenly can not authenticate anywhere on the system. Anyone experienced this before?
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22:09<sney>it sounds like freedombox did something weird to pam, it's definitely not a usual situation on a debian system
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22:38<Sqrt{not}>(they already left, but) fbx-all recommends nslcd "daemon for NSS and PAM lookups using LDAP"
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23:14<traingoesbrrrr>hello there is a new debian discord server , can i pls share the link here?
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23:14<sney>discord is non-free
23:15<alex11>you can share it if you want, it's not against the chat rules; how many people will want to join it is another question though
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23:16<alex11>not everyone likes discord and perhaps especially not a free software project like debian (and why join discord when matrix has channels for it in addition to irc)
23:17<Unit193>traingoesbrrrr: Instead, try checking https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial out.
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23:20<traingoesbrrrr>the matrix server is pretty decent and working - maybe our wiki page needs to be updated
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23:29<somiaj>traingoesbrrrr: there is a matrix server already there, though maybe ask in #debian-social what they think about adding a discord server.
23:29<traingoesbrrrr>i asked ty
23:29<onastvar>could anyone help with following issue: i'm unable to change root password > passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
23:31<traingoesbrrrr>maybe type it out on a notepad app and copy and paste it
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23:32<somiaj>onastvar: how are you trying to change the root password?
23:33<traingoesbrrrr>did you have a root password set already? onastvar
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23:34<onastvar> passwd root
23:34<Sqrt{not}>onastvar, how did you become root?
23:34<onastvar>this is an issue from upgrade to debian 10
23:35<onastvar>I changed ro to rw init=/bin/bash
23:35<traingoesbrrrr>maybe onastvar is not root yet
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23:35<Sqrt{not}>onastvar, then what did you do?
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23:36<onastvar>i cannot login as root after update
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23:37<onastvar>password i had prior to upgrade worked, that same password does not work anymore on debian 10
23:37<sney>!ifrp
23:37<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
23:38<onastvar>stuck on step 4
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23:40<Sqrt{not}>how does it not work anymore ? does it say invalid/incorrect password, or root just doesn't seem to work correctly?
23:41<Sqrt{not}>when you try it on the regular bootup I mean/
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23:44<onastvar>root doesn't seem to work correctly
23:45<Sqrt{not}>are you using 'su' to become root?
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23:46<onastvar>let me double check
23:48<onastvar>I cannot boot,
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23:49<onastvar>normally
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23:49<onastvar>it says: You are in emergency mode...
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23:49<onastvar>Give root password for maintenance or Control-D to continu
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23:50<onastvar>when I type root password i get Login Incorrect
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