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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-03

---Logopened Thu Jun 03 00:00:12 2021
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00:26<fkajsdlfjalksad>does firefox-esr have the DRM feature? want to be able to watch netflix, amazon prime video, etc
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00:33<jm_>does this help answer it? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837091
00:33<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/837091 in firefox-esr (open, security, upstream): «firefox-esr: EME DRM extention present and enabled»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-09-08; last modified: 2018-09-18.
00:33<jm_>apparently you can get it going
00:34<craigevil>you need widevine installed
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00:42<fkajsdlfjalksad>nice ok
00:43<fkajsdlfjalksad>thanks
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00:49<joeb>is there a way to delete files safely? make sure they can't be recovered :) or its a fantasy?
00:49<somiaj>look at shred
00:50<somiaj>there are some limitations, and can depend on the filesystem being used
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00:54<awal1>cp do good job when copying large files (i have several dirs , a few of them have dozens of gb)?
00:55<jm_>define good job
00:55<somiaj>why do you think it won't?
00:55<awal1>bcoz never used it for large stuff
00:55<jm_>you could also use rsync, it allows you to resume from where it was stopped
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00:56<awal1>jm_ good mean no losing data
00:56<somiaj>cp will work just fine
00:57<awal1>ok guys . thanks
00:57<somiaj>You could always use checksums on the data afterwards to verify integurity
00:57<awal1>ok
00:58<awal1>thanks
00:59<somiaj>rsync does verify all data it coppies with checksums by default though
00:59<somiaj>I have perosnally used both, though use rsync more these days
00:59<somiaj>not that it is better in terms of its ability to copy, but because it has additional features that are sometimes useful
01:01<awal1>good to know. never used it
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01:01<awal1>i'll check it
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02:16<Anarka>new nw and channel name, big changes!
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03:30<wyre>hi guys, what are those mmcblk1boot0 and mmcblk1boot1 partitions and why I can't see them in fdisk -l output? https://bpa.st/JTQQ
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03:32<ratrace>wyre: I think those are SDcard devices?
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03:33<wyre>ratrace, one of them it is
03:33<wyre>the other one is the eMMC
03:33<wyre>which is apparently the same than a SD card but soldered on the board
03:33<wyre>(embebed, I mean=
03:33<wyre>s/embebed/embedded/
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03:43<wyre>apparently they are partitions intended to storing the bootloader, right?
03:44<ratrace>I would assume they're regular gpt partitions intended for storing entire linux operating system, data, and the bootloader
03:44<ratrace>you even have a swap type partition
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04:11<jason1234>hi
04:11<jason1234>when will DEBIAN drop completely i386, like Ubuntu?
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04:13<mambang>not sure, I don't think so.. bcoz debian is universal operating system
04:13<petrj>'this different' was last year(?) what's Apple's tag line gonna be this year.. 'you just can't beat M1 in speeeed' .. :P
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04:13<petrj>think* different
04:13<jason1234>mambang: are you kidding, debian is used to drop architectures? this happens all the time
04:13<jason1234>486??? nowhere
04:13<jason1234>and many examples.
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04:14<ratrace>pretty sure debian will drop x86 sooner or later as maintenance of it becomes unfeasible
04:14<ratrace>the kernel is _already_ in terrible state, but that's upstream's neglect
04:14<jason1234>that will be the end of linux
04:15<jason1234>ratrace: this is good how linux can kill itself somehow. all good thing must end maybe.
04:15<ratrace>what will be the end of linux?
04:15<jason1234>ratrace: dropping architectures, like x86 and 486.
04:15<ratrace>no it won't be.
04:16<mambang>jason1234, it not debian but kernel itself, your mentioned arch been drop since kernel 3.8 something
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04:17<ratrace>fedora dropped it too. it's simply inevitable and does not in any shape or form, mean any kind of demise for linux, the kernel (and OSes based on it) that is used by majority of devices on this planet.
04:17<jason1234>mambang: does #linux will drop i386?
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04:17<mambang>you should ask on kernel channel
04:18<ratrace>the majority devices, btw, are arm based, and arm seems to be getting into much bigger role in the (near) future). the rest vastly mostly use x86_64
04:18<jason1234>many people use i386, is there a backup kernel linux to support i386?
04:18<ratrace>[citation needed]
04:20<petn-randall>Anarka: You're late to the party! Debian moved to oftc 15 years ago!
04:20<petn-randall>!oftc move
04:20<dpkg>irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) are in both networks for the time being; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
04:20<Unit193>petn-randall: I got several questions about where Debian was moving, "OFTC. 15 years ago." :D
04:21<petn-randall>Unit193: It'll be 15 years exactly tomorrow. We should drink on that ;)
04:21<mambang>but on my perspective 32bit is releven. I think it will be available for next 20-30 years. it just my personal opinion
04:22<Unit193>petn-randall: Vodka shots? Prost!
04:22<jason1234> there are no interests from Linux to keep knowledge and know-how
04:23<jason1234>the linux kernel is just focused on having a system that work on today machines. this is the philosophy of "closed source" and "commercial". why GNU choosed Linux then? makes not much point there to have a system that cannot be running on all archs
04:23<ratrace>jason1234: so you're volunteering to support i386 then?
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04:24<jason1234>ratrace: it is #linux job, not mine.
04:24<ratrace>jason1234: it's not linux "job" at all
04:24<ratrace>it's a free and libre code. most of it is done and given to YOU by volunteers. you paid ZERO for it.
04:25<ratrace>when you start PAYING for it, you can have a smidge of entitlement to actually make any demands. not before that.
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04:26<ratrace>until then, you can bow down and praise that free, unpaid work of many volunteers, have brought us this fine and mighty superior software ecosystem that (GNU/)Linux ecosystem is today.
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04:26<jason1234>ratrace: of course, it is. they get money from google, IBM,.... it is to do their job, and also do that for all of us, including people with i386.
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04:27<jason1234>ratrace: dont tell me that linux is not paid ;)
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04:27<ratrace>no it's not. the people developing (and/or under grants by google, ibm, ...) have ZERO obligations to you.
04:27<ratrace>btw this is more for -offtopic
04:27<ratrace>and you seem to be conflating sponsorships of otherwise FREE and LIBRE code which you may take at any moment and modify to your liking.
04:28<ratrace>or you can ask someone willing to do the job for you for free.
04:28<mambang>don't rant to much. I would like encourage anyone to involve with something that you think it well be absolute as upstream or backport. because it maybe not just you
04:28<petn-randall>jason1234: Supported Linux kernels will run on a lot of hardware of the last 20 years. Find a different OS that does that. At some point support is simply dropped because none of the developers have such machines anymore.
04:29<mambang>Even I use multi arch.. i need thus 86 lib for my steam game :)
04:29<CommunistWolf>the idea that capitalists have obligations to people
04:29<jason1234>linux is a disgusting capitalism system
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04:29<CommunistWolf>sadly so
04:29<petn-randall>jason1234: Debian 10 still runs on Pentium II, which was released in 1997.
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04:30<petn-randall>CommunistWolf, jason1234, nice try. Please troll somewhere else.
04:30<ratrace>this one sounds like a bad chatbot that uses cron to drop unrelated gibberish sentences every now and then
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04:32<petrj>Debian works on mips, riscv and various architectures which others do not support. that's the beautiful thing. i personally am not a huge fan of apt-get's snail speed compared to the others, but the significance of Debian in every walk of life is not fading away. <3
04:32<ratrace>+1
04:33<peb>petrj: apt is slow indeed
04:34<peb>I have secret hopes that in some future it won't be anymore, but... I'm not sure it's really something that'll happen the way I hope for it
04:34<mambang>I still missed dnf (I use Fedora before), there is dnf package for debian but it akward
04:34<ratrace>slow on non-x86_64 arches, or in general?
04:35<peb>ratrace: in general compared to other package managers on other distros
04:35<peb>pacman or yum are quite fast as for an example
04:36<mambang>I have same opinion like ratrace too. APT likely slower if i compare to DNF
04:36<petrj>yup, guess Alpine linux has spoiled me... `apk add .....insert looong list of grocery here...` and boom done! :p
04:37<ratrace>question is, do those other package managers do the same things .deb packages do (what with maintainer scripts, signatures, etc...)
04:37<ratrace>ie. are we comparing apples to apples
04:38<peb>I guess so, but as a DD, I tend to always install Debian everywhere
04:38<peb>so... I never dig anywhere deep enough into other package maintaining software to compare
04:38<peb>but it being different would surprise me
04:38<TobiX>apt is mainly slow because of the sheer amount of packages it has to handle. apt on emdebian was blazingly fast :D
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04:40<ratrace>it's not just package count but relationships and resolution of demands. other packages don't have those concepts.
04:40<ratrace>it's easy for dnf, for example, to be blazing fast when Fedora/HELdora package ecosystem is a very tight, no options, no recommends, no alternatives, straight list of depenencies.
04:41<ratrace>on the otehr end of teh spectrum, portage's emerge is _extremely_ slow, like it may take a few minutes just to produce a list of dependencies that would co-install or co-upgrade. but that's because portage has HUGE web of interdependencies based on USE flags and thus huge amount of options it can choose from
04:42<mambang>Are you sure?dnf have that thing too.
04:43<ratrace>well at least last time I used HELdora, that was the case. for example, apache would always isntall if anything wanted it, even if you had nginx (from epel). has that changed?
04:44<mambang>I never use HELdora. It first time i heard it
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04:46<ratrace>it's a name I made up for the Fedora/CentOS Stream/RHEL ecosystem
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04:46<mambang>dont do that
04:46<ratrace>it's all redhat ecosystem with fedora in its core and everything else based off of it plus minor mods
04:46<ratrace>I'll do whatever I friggin want, within confines of channel policies.
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04:51<petrj>ratrace: there is a blog post about it for technical differences https://ariadne.space/2021/04/25/why-apk-tools-is-different-than-other-package-managers/
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04:53<ratrace>"For example, aptitude is capable of solving sudoku puzzles. apk is definitely not capable of that" -- haha, well, that's the thing I was talking about: feature set :)
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05:20<plaur>ratrace: dnf now has recommends, suggests, etc. or the past 2 years. not sure how many fedora packages use that. dnf also uses libsolv from SUSE, a SAT solver for determinig dependencies, no heuristics which get you different results between apt-get, aptitude and synaptic. it's slower than apt, though
05:22<petn-randall>I think dpkg is so slow because it could be doing more things in parallel to make use of 2+ cores that machines come with nowadays. But then again one single thread doing things makes it more deterministically, and easier to debug.
05:22<ratrace>plaur: that's way better than what it used to be, then.
05:22<plaur>their transaction history is nice, since you can undo any operation, and fedora seems to be interested to couple that to btrfs snapshots for true transactions (i think suse does this already)
05:24<plaur>yes, technically fedora is quite impressive. you tend to be bitten by upstream bugs a lot, just 10 days of testing, occasionally broken system due to kernel regression, or mesa drivers, or gnome...
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05:26<plaur>for a solid systems that jusy works and keeps woking, nothing beats debian stable :)
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05:27<ratrace>except RHEL itself :) well... not "beats" but they're comparable that way.
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05:27<ratrace>my biggest gripe with that ecosystem is reliance on dbus. it's dbus everything. and networkmanager as de facto networking config tool even on servers. I really hope debian never goes in that direction.
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05:29<plaur>i use rhel at work, minor release always break something because they backport sometimes big features from newer kernel to the ancient kernel base they use :(
05:29<ratrace>"always"?
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05:31<plaur>at least in my experience, yes. if you watch the centos bug tracker, there's a sudden increase of bugs being filed after each minor release, from network card not working reliably anymore, to xfs panics, to problems under high load
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05:33<plaur>i think regressions are rare in debian because there are no complex changes on point releases, small bugfixes and security updates, but they won't backport bpf or even wireless improvements
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05:34<wyre>ratrace, http://ix.io/3oDm they are not regular partitions
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05:34<wyre>they are like separated devices 😕
05:34<wyre>but are part of mmcblk1
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05:37<ratrace>wyre: sorry I don't know what those are. I didn't notice them in your previouse paste, but I see now they are there too.
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05:38<wyre>ratrace, https://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_eMMC#Introduction according to this ... they should be like "separate boot partitions for storing the bootloader"
05:38<ratrace>wyre: was just reading that, yes. apparently it's a specific standard with bootable emmc partitions
05:38<wyre>but I'm not using them because the machine has GRUB so I'd GRUB is installed in /
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05:39<ratrace>wyre: safe to ignore, then?
05:39<wyre>I'd say so
05:39<wyre>but I'm having a strange problem with the eMMC storage so I'm worried about
05:41<ratrace>plaur: yeah, the RHEL kernel is like.... like frankenstein monsters were the normal, and then in that world they had frankenstein monsters of their own.
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05:53<petrj>long time ago i heard fedora uses a stock kernel, unlike others who patch / optimize it? which is why torvalds like it so much since it is all the "raw" stuff.
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05:59<plaur>ratrace: lol, yes
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06:00<plaur>petrj: fedora has this policy for most packages, they try to work with upstream and integrate fixes directly there, so most packages use just minimal fedora patches or none - not just the kernel
06:02<plaur>but they are always on the latest release and want to enable upstream developers to use fedora on their machines (which liinus does, as do many other, from gnome to kernel devs). rhel can't do that because they freeze a version and diverge from there
06:02<plaur>rhel 7 is on kernel 3.10 and stays there for 10 years
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06:12<ratrace><3 <3 <3 <3 g810-led is packaged! in main! I can now rainbow-ize my shiny new G512 !
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06:14<jason1234>after 5, kernel will be called slightly differently.
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06:17<ratrace>every kernel release has a codename
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06:19<ratrace>5.10 in Bullseye is called "Kleptomaniac Octopus"
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06:20<petrj>yes, it's always some animal :P
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06:37<joeb>when connected to a wifi  redirected you too many times.Try clearing your cookies.ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS
06:37<joeb>syslog shows that I am connected
06:37<joeb>where else I can find more info to troubleshoot
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06:39<jonas1>joeb: wifi can be many things - do you mean GNOME desktop using network-manager and wpasupplicant, or some other combo?
06:39<ratrace>joeb: that sounds like HTTP specific issue. whatever website you're visiting is doing too many redirects and the browser stops that
06:39<joeb>it is wifi auth site
06:40<ratrace>the problem is high at the OSI layer in HTTP, not lower in wifi
06:40<joeb>on a mobile it does display connect button
06:40<joeb>when I login to same wifi
06:40<joeb>hmmm
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06:40<ratrace>totally not a debian(-specific) issue btw.
06:41<jonas1>perhaps it is your dns resolving - that the wifi auth page assumes that you use the dns resolver they advertised via DHCP but your system bypass that and use another?
06:41<joeb>jonas1 that could very well be a case
06:41<joeb>how could I check that
06:41<ratrace>too many redirects means too many 3xx responses in http. I doubt it has anything to do with DNS, unless indirectly
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06:41<joeb>ratrace: well then how it does on mobile?
06:42<joeb>does it work
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06:42<ratrace>joeb: different UA? different IP? no idea. however, "too many redirects" complaint by the browser is ONLY about one thing: too many consecutive 3xx responses and the browser breaks the cycle
06:43<jonas1>wifi hotspots may make assumptions on dns - e.g. redirecting to "gateway" and assuming your resolver does not change that to "gateway.my.network"
06:43<ratrace>now what's causing the "wifi auth site" to do that, is another question
06:43<joeb>i think dns may be an issue
06:43<ratrace>joeb: you could inspect the responses with your browser's developer console, if that's chromium or firefox
06:43<ratrace>see where it's trying to redirect you to
06:43<jonas1>then stop whatever you are doing custom and obey the DHCP lease hints about dns
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06:46<joeb>ratrace: what exactly I am looking at there
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06:47<ratrace>joeb: switch to the Network tab, enable Log persistence (it's a checkbox in FF's developer console, for example, if you click the settings cog) and go to your "wifi auth page"
06:47<joeb>using chromium
06:48<petrj>are there any non-mainstream open source browsers which are neither chromium-based nor gechko/firefox? (and support html5/css3)
06:49<joeb>ok I will log off and try
06:49<joeb>to see whats up
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06:49<petrj>looks like it's all google-ism now.. since google is sponsoring firefox too
06:49<jason1234>netsurf is fine
06:49<jason1234>try maybe: midori
06:50<jason1234>petrj: google takes over opensource, like microsoft does too ;)
06:50<ratrace>you don't know what opensource is then
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06:51<ratrace>if they "do the majority of work that suits their purposes", that does not mean you can't do the same.
06:51<ratrace>the code is open, license is libre, have at it.
06:51<jason1234>ratrace: yeah, they are purpose oriented. not more than that.
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06:53<ratrace>jason1234: and so what. due to the license, we get to reap all the benefits of that
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06:55<jason1234>ratrace: the alternative would be that debian is not "mounted" on a Linux system. debian should be made to run on another kernel, including having sys init of choice.
06:56<ratrace>debian is a GNU/Linux distro. anything else in that combo, it's no longer debian
06:56<ratrace>(though there was that debian/kFreeBSD option for a while)
06:56<jason1234>debian was originally to be debian, not necessary to be GNU/Linux distro.
06:57<ratrace>actually no. debian was originally and is today, a curated collection of packages based on GNUserland and Linux kernel.
06:57<jason1234>The idea of debian was a early group of developers that build an userland base system, debian. They didnt care that it will be linux
06:57<ratrace>especially when it started, there was no feasible alternative to GNU
06:57<jason1234>Since linux has become so much complex, they have not other choice to strictly use the Linux things. let's call it things.
06:58<jason1234>Consequently, Debian has nothing to do with "Debian", original ideas.
06:58<petn-randall>jason1234: What about GNU/kFreeBSD Debian then?
06:58<petn-randall>jason1234: And on what authority do you speak for Debian?
06:59<jason1234>GNU/kFreeBSD Debian is dead soon or later. look today status of it.
07:00<ratrace>I think this is just a poorly worded attempt to state that Linux (the kernel) is somehow no longer Linux (the kernel)
07:00<petrj>jason1234, thanks man. i was looking for it for a while, something using pure libwww etc. and nothing from big corps. netsurf looks cleaner (midori is still some webkit), already installed both :)
07:00<ratrace>"taken over" by big corps, "destroyed" by dropping arch support, etc...
07:01<ratrace>petrj: just keep in mind one thing. all those alternatives and "lighter" variants, are NOT going to support the whole featureset that "big corps' browsers" do
07:01<ratrace>and the web is kinda being developed around what chromium does. yes, that's bad, and it's a sad fact.
07:02<petn-randall>!lightweight
07:02<dpkg><mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html)
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07:02<ratrace>and then there's the whole issue of security
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07:03<petrj>well i have installed alpine linux on my laptop (bare metal) and using it for daily use to stay away from big corp mess, which is creeping everywhere.. microsoft telemetry, google analytics and whatnot.. so i like not to participate in such atrocities. so compromise and contributing the best i can to 'real' open source projects is what i am gearing
07:03<petrj>towards. :)
07:03<joeb>did check more
07:03<joeb>dns address does change when I connect to wifi
07:04<joeb>redirects go site url//swarm.cgi? followed by bunch of params
07:04<joeb>it does not redirect
07:04<jason1234>petrj: the source code of netsurf is just junk, that's why it might crash. Try maybe links2. links2 -g duckduckgo.com
07:04<petrj>most spyware like google widevine DRM thing do not work with musl libc yet.. so until this also gets popular, i am using it.. then move on to something more unknown.. #nowindow #nogoogle and since so forth :P
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07:05<ratrace>I love my widevine spyware. not sure I could survive the day without it.
07:05<joeb>lol
07:05<jason1234>petrj: to get it in one command: cd ; wget -c http://links.twibright.com/download/links-2.20.2.tar.gz ; tar xvpfz links-2.20.2.tar.gz ; cd links-2.20.2/ ; ./configure --enable-graphics ; make
07:06<joeb>ratrace: any more ideas?
07:06<ratrace>joeb: for what exactly? what do you mean "it doesn't redirect"? and then in what context are you getting that error?
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07:07<ratrace>joeb: note that "redirect" are all about 3xx responses. it could very well be back onto itself (ie. no URL change in the Location: header)
07:07<petn-randall>jason1234: It makes more sense to use apt than to install from source.
07:07<ratrace>clearly apt is spyware
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07:08<ratrace>mine is. it rats the software I use to this... this... "popcon" thing....
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07:09<petrj>lol firefox has a bug about it.. try running firefox in flatpak (sandbox) then run from command line `flatpak run org.mozilla.firefox`, navigate to netflix, install DRM when prompted and run a movie. then check the logs in terminal about what it is looking for in /proc procfs etc so the only "trusted" DRM is closed source, and it is the only one
07:09<petrj>supported by HBO, Netflix, Amazon.. and it is from Google, how f'ing convenient is that. their AI is learning your mood while you are watching movies (to the paid).. i did not sign up for that when i bought hbo/netflix services tbh :P
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07:10<ratrace>petrj: your conspiracy has one fatal flaw
07:10<petrj>paid services*
07:10<ratrace>conspiracy *theory
07:10<petrj>theory?
07:10<petrj>maybe try reading again?
07:11<ratrace>they have no friggin clue who you are unless you willingly tell them with your real name and pictures and other data about yourself, through fecesbooks and other spyware databases.
07:11<petrj>i have told you the steps you can try rn.
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07:11<ratrace>their "AI" also has one fatal flaw. It forgets anything it learned about me the moment I close the tab and the extension clears the cookies and that other data storage
07:12<petrj>that's what you think but that's not the backend works :)
07:12<petrj>how the*
07:12<ratrace>pretty sure I know how that works.
07:12<petn-randall>!offtopic
07:12<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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07:13<petn-randall>Surely an interesting topic to discuss, but please move this to #debian-offtopic.
07:13<ratrace>yeah, sorry.
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07:13<joeb>hmm still wifi yet to work
07:13<joeb>i think maybe it tries to do something dodgy?
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07:14<joeb>nothing in syslog
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07:14<ratrace>joeb: there won't be anything in syslog based on your problem description SO FAR
07:15<ratrace>joeb: maybe you could post some screenshots via imgur. the error message you get, and the developer console showing consecutive 3xx responses
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07:22<petn-randall>joeb: I don't quite understand your problem. How are potential DNS problems related to a website sending you into a HTTP redirect loop?
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07:24<grove>How do fireox remember history? I have a virtual machine with a script that replaces .mozilla and .cache with clean versions before running `firefox-esr -no-remote` - but the resulting browser window still remembers my history. I would like a browser with no history, how do I accomplish that?
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07:25<jonas1>petn-randall: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wifi+hotspot+redirect+loop shows plenty of discussions, and at least the first few I randomly dived into talked about dns provider
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07:26<joeb>it is a common issue with many wifi
07:26<joeb>in hotels etc
07:26<jonas1>with many wifi _hotspots_ - not with wifi in general
07:27<ratrace>I suppose DNS plays a role here if the captive portal is trying to redirect you to another LAN name and your resolve is responding with the wrong IP so the cycle repeats
07:27<ratrace>but .... you'll have to start showing pastbins/imagebins, or else this is just becoming unsolveable noise
07:28<ratrace>grove: ~/.mozilla/firefox/<randomstring>.default is the default profile dir where the history is stored
07:28<ratrace>grove: so if you're replacing the whole ~/.mozilla, you're nuking everything. unless you're replacing it with a copy of previous state that includes the history you think you're clearing
07:28<ratrace>specifically, the history is in one of the sqlite databases
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07:31<joeb>ok I will solve it myself xd
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07:34<grove>ratrace: I thought so too, but I've tried several times, and the history it presents is much newer than directory I copy over .mozilla, and remember changes I've just made
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07:36<ratrace>grove: pretty sure you're doing something wrong then. there's NO other place FF stores anything, outside ~/.mozilla/firefox/ ... unless you have a FF cloud account and it re-syncs from internet on each start?
07:37<ratrace>"firefox sync" it's called, configurable in settings
07:40<grove>Okay, it's me using `cp` wrong, see https://paste.debian.net/1199851/ - I hope I don't have a FF cloud account
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07:43<ratrace>grove: I'd use rsync with --delete. cp will overwrite but won't remove files, and I don't know what other interdependencies there are between the many databases of a FF profile
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07:47<ratrace>grove: for history, specifically, check if you even have a places.sqlite in the "clean" profile. because if you don't, that cp will not nuke the database
07:48<grove>ratrace: That works, and I'll probably want rsync for something else on that virtual machine, so it's a dependency I can live with
07:48<ratrace>well you don't need it. you're just doing the cp with wrong assumptions. you can rm the current profile, and _then_ cp from the old one.
07:49<ratrace>again, if hte old one is missing files, like places.sqlite, it won't do the effect you expect
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09:07<andjoe>any chance of upgrading the version of firmware-iwlwifi from 20210315-2 in bullseye RC2/final?
09:08<andjoe>this version don't detect Realtek RTL8125B adapters
09:08<andjoe>correctly
09:08<petn-randall>andjoe: And some version does?
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09:08<petn-randall>Wait, realtek isn't iwlwifi.
09:09<petn-randall>andjoe: You likely want to install firmware-realtek. It's listed in the package description.
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09:10<andjoe>the catch is.. if I use newer iwlwifi version during installation it works perfectly
09:10<ratrace>andjoe: so which wifi chipset do you have? Intel or Realtek, or both?
09:11<andjoe>actually it detects the Realtek adapter, but it can't connect to any wifi network since WPA2 key exchange does not work
09:11<andjoe>so yes, it is a iwlwifi problem
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09:11<ratrace>andjoe: which Intel chip is it?
09:12<andjoe>Realtek RTL8125B
09:12<ratrace>no, the Intel one
09:12<petn-randall>That isn't a Intel chipset.
09:12<andjoe>I use AMD
09:12<ratrace>Intel != Realtek
09:12<ratrace>Intel != Realtek != AMD
09:12<andjoe>XD
09:12<ratrace>andjoe: time to show some pastebins
09:12<blast007>firmware-iwlwifi is for *Intel* WiFi chipsets, NOT realtek
09:12<petn-randall>firmware-iwlwifi is for Intel wifi adapters. Whath you mentioned, Realtek RTL8125B, is a realtek adapter.
09:12<ratrace>dmesg | grep -i firmware
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09:13<jason1234>dpkg -i the firmware for realtek just that
09:13*dpkg removes a liver from jason1234 and replaces it with the firmware for realtek just that
09:13<andjoe>[ 0.293203] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
09:13<andjoe>[ 0.297831] acpi PNP0A08:00: [Firmware Info]: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-7f] only partially covers this bridge
09:13<andjoe>[ 1.092742] amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware amdgpu/polaris10_mc.bin
09:13<andjoe>[ 1.095218] amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware amdgpu/polaris10_pfp_2.bin
09:13<andjoe>[ 1.095228] amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware amdgpu/polaris10_me_2.bin
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09:13<ratrace>no need to dpkg -i anything, firmware is regularly packaged adn installable by apt
09:14<jason1234>---- > dpkg that thing firmware-realtek_20210315-2_all.deb
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09:14<ratrace>let's dispense with incomplete and misleading advice, please
09:14<blast007>ratrace: assuming you have Internet, sure :)
09:15<ratrace>of course
09:15<ratrace>I had that firmware-catch-22 problem just yesterday
09:16<ratrace>plugged in the phone, tapped to USB sharing, and usb0 device appeared, I ran dhclient against it poof, internet!
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09:16<blast007>!paste
09:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
09:16<andjoe2>sorry for the paste
09:16<ratrace>FirstTimeOnIRC? :)
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09:17<andjoe2>nope, just forgot
09:17<andjoe2>not a frequent use though
09:17<andjoe2>user *
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09:20<andjoe2>@petn-randall did my dmesg show up here?
09:20<petn-randall>andjoe2: No, you need to use a paste site as asked.
09:20<blast007>you have to paste the link
09:21<andjoe2>https://paste.debian.net/1199874/
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09:22<ratrace>andjoe2: okay that realtek is ethernet (wired) NIC. you need firmware-realtek package for that one. iwlwifi apparently uses firmware, you can ignore the yoyo.bin
09:22<ratrace>however, r8169, if that's the chip you have, will work without the firmware.
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09:23<ratrace>andjoe2: so the problem I just had with my iwlwifi, was that rfkill switch had it soft disabled. I don't use NM or any automagic like that might've flipped it on, so I had to manually use rfkill on it, before wpa_supplicant could use it properly
09:24<blast007>That's the driver name. The chip they have is the RTL8125B, which is a 2.5Gbps ethernet NIC.
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09:25<jason1234>or put another kernel
09:25<jason1234>get a kernel from sid userland
09:26<jason1234>5.4 or higher
09:26<ratrace>let's dispense with incomplete and misleading advice, please
09:26<blast007>the bullseye firmware-realtek package does have firmware for the RTL8125B
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09:26<blast007>andjoe2: do you have firmware-realtek installed?
09:27<andjoe2>no
09:28<andjoe2>and it is working
09:28<andjoe2>just with iwlwifi
09:28<ratrace>yes, the _wired_ NIC is working. your iwlwifi _wireless_ is another story
09:28<ratrace>andjoe2: DUDE.... Realtek != iwlwifi
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09:29<andjoe2>I understand that.. but with current version of iwlwifi, it is impossible to go forward bullseye installation, I just put a newer version on a pendrive and it works
09:29<andjoe2>this is a fact!
09:30<andjoe2>I am not asking, just stating
09:30<ratrace>andjoe2: alright. and which version is that? and which Intel NIC is that? I don't think it's clear from the paste
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09:30<andjoe2>not really sure why
09:30<ratrace>lscpu -v will tell you
09:31<ratrace>lspci (damn)
09:31<andjoe2>firmware-iwlwifi_20210322-1~exp1_all
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09:31<andjoe2>native version that ships with RC1 is 20210315-2
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09:33<ratrace>andjoe2: and the NIC is?
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09:34<andjoe2>just a sec
09:35<andjoe2>rtl_nic/rtl8125b-2
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09:35<andjoe2>sry
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09:35<andjoe2>Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller (rev 04)
09:36<ratrace>that's not the iwlwifi NIC
09:36<andjoe2>Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)
09:36<ratrace>are you trolling or just dumb?
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09:38<andjoe2>onboard NIC from ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (WI-FI)
09:38<jason1234>ratrace: could you take it easy and respect users please.
09:38<ratrace>andjoe2: supposedly supported as of 5.1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/wireless.html
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09:39<ratrace>andjoe2: I'm wonder if there's some gotcha that's fixable with the earlier (current) version
09:40<jason1234>info google: firmware-nonfree_20210315.orig.tar.xz <--- google gave me that while googling for "rtl_nic/rtl8125b-2"
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09:43<andjoe2>ratrace this is exactly what happens on the installation with RC1 version of iwlwifi https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=988663
09:43<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/988663 in firmware-iwlwifi (open): «RTL8125B Failure of key exchange and association on WPA2-PSK»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-05-17; last modified: 2021-05-17.
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09:45<ratrace>andjoe2: can you try with wpa_supplicant directly, maybe with the -d flag as well, and see what it says in detail?
09:45<ratrace>andjoe2: my problem was a misleading error message about packets when I used "ifup", but wpa_supplicant directly showed rfkill soft block, which I easily removed.
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09:47<andjoe2>I can see man for wpa_supplicant but command is not found on path
09:47<andjoe2>strange
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09:47<andjoe2>does it come bundled on iwlwifi?
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09:48<ratrace>andjoe2: no, it's a separate, wpasupplicant package. and it's in /usr/sbin/ . if you're running that as root and still have command not found, see if you:
09:48<ratrace>!buster su
09:48<dpkg>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
09:48<ratrace>(which applies to bullseye too)
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09:53<andjoe2>ah yes
09:54<andjoe2>user wpa_supplicant does not exist or the user entry does not contain all the required fields
09:54<andjoe2>-d is returning invalid option
09:55<andjoe2>I now have the newer version, so I think it will work anyway
09:56<ratrace>not sure what you mean by wpa_supplicant user. anyway, how are you setting up the network?
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09:58<andjoe2>this wpa_supplicant user is the output of running the command.
09:58<andjoe2>for now, nothing fancy on my network
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09:59<andjoe2>I tried directly on ISP router.. no built-in VPN, or anything different.. maybe only thing different is my recursive DNS server on a pi-hole, but this should have no effect whatsoever
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10:00<ratrace>andjoe2: I meant, how are you configuring the (wireless) network on your computer with that iwlwifi issue. NetworkManager? /etc/network/interfaces ? Some other way?
10:00<jason1234>the old networking ifconfig and wpa_supplicant is outdated. today there is gnome wifi and all similar, running on systemd to get wifi. type: ip addr
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10:01<andjoe2>I am actually setting up through gnome wifi GUI
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10:02<jason1234>systemd and gnome wifi gui is good way to get it. sometimes you need to reboot, because wifi connect driver can get lost. you need the interface given by the driver.
10:02<ratrace>okay, the NetworkManager. It uses wpa_supplicant via the dbus API, but hides a lot of low level issues that are obvious when you use it directly. however that would require setting up a config file. now you can try going that lane and see where exactly it fails, or not if ItWorks(tm) now
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10:03<jason1234>ip and dmesg, tell you if the interface is well supported by the driver. you can try to scan if your wifi driver supports it
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10:53<ajak>hm, that nick is a gentoo developer,, i don't think he's on oftc though
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11:00<gdb>I've seen the same (and more) on slashnet. I put a +R on the channel. Haven't seen it since (doesn't mean that's why).
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11:01<bremner>+R is a bit tough for help channels. We like to avoid it if we can
11:01<pastly>boop
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11:03<gdb>Good point!
11:03<pastly>boop
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11:04<petn-randall>pastly: Do you have a Debian support question?
11:04<pastly>boop
11:04<pastly>oh crap
11:04<pastly>sorry
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11:04<pastly>I attempted to only do that in a test channel. Obviously failed
11:05<petn-randall>Yeah, there are better test channels for that. ;)
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11:05<bremner>typical power mand netop
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11:05<bremner>err. power-mad
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11:05<pastly>right, I added a check that the message was in #pastly-test but clearly the check didn't work
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11:06<petn-randall>Oh, you're a netop. Then you know your way.
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12:32<vv221>One of the downsides I often see mentioned when non-Debian users compare their systems to Debian is the automatic restart of services by apt. Is the lack of a --no-restart-services switch for apt due to some policy/design choice, or only because no-one submitted such a contribution yet?
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12:32<vv221>(feel free to direct me to another #debian-* channel if this is too specific a question for the current chan)
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12:41<petn-randall>vv221: The package "needrestart" does exactly that for you. Although upgraded services get restarted (there are a few exceptions) by default anyway.
12:42<petn-randall>"needrestart" will tell you about other services that need restarting.
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12:42<ratrace>I think the complaint here is that apt has no switch to _disable_ service (re)start on installation/upgrade
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12:43<ratrace>you have to fiddle with poorly (un)documented apt policy scripts
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12:43<vv221>ratrace got it right, it is the lack of disability to *disable* the restarts that I am curious about.
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12:44<vv221>On my own systemd I am already a user of needrestart by the way, I actually like that restarts are automated.
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12:44<vv221>But I never know what to propose to admins that would like to get more control on when to restart the upgraded services.
12:45<petn-randall>vv221: In which scenario would which service still work after you replaced files of it?
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12:45<ratrace>every service loaded in RAM until the next restart
12:45<vv221>petn-randall, it is not about not restarting the services, but letting the administrator do the restart herself after whatever manual check she would like to do.
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12:46<ratrace>check or orchestration. in my case I have to orchestrate three daemons when postgresql upgrades
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12:46<vv221>I’m quite sure this is a questions that has already been debated a lot, that’s why I’m curious that I could not find anything well documented about it.
12:46<petn-randall>ratrace: How do you know the daemon isn't dynamically linked to libs that get loaded when needed? What happens if those libs are gone? It's not quite as trivial.
12:47<ratrace>petn-randall: of course it's not trivial, that's why apt should make no assumptions
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12:47<vv221>On another chan, policy-rc.d is talked about. Is it the recommended way to handle that?
12:47<ratrace>I think it's the _only_ way
12:47<petn-randall>vv221: Usually you schedule a downtime, let users know, upgrade the service, and fix anything that needs fixing, then end the scheduled downtime. I guess that's why people don't really need what you're asking for.
12:48<ratrace>petn-randall: wrong tho. many services have the concept of graceful restart and can do it withouut downtime
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12:48<petn-randall>vv221: If you need the service to continue running, you'd do something like blue/green deployment instead.
12:48<vv221>petn-randall, *I* do not need it. Other people do.
12:48<avu>everything else is just hacks, even though these hacks are used, in debian-live for example
12:48<petn-randall>ratrace: Not on upgrade, though.
12:48<ratrace>some require orchestration. there's no single situation in which apt's decision is the correct one, except "hobbist home use"
12:48<avu>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/03/msg00051.html was a recent discussion about this (and the lack of docs for the "proper" method)
12:48<ratrace>petn-randall: yes on upgrade. see: nginx.
12:48<ratrace>ngixn has the ability to replace its own master daemon on upgrade wihtout dropping a single conn
12:48<vv221>Thanks avu, that’s the kind of discussion I was looking for ;)
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12:49<petn-randall>vv221: Or anyone else, "you" in that case was metaphorical.
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13:09<vv221>OK, I went through the thread on debian-devel, and I’m willing to add the two documented methods (policy-rc.d and systemd mask) to Debian wiki.
13:09<vv221>This issue is that I’m not sure where in the wiki such information should go.
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13:09<vv221>The objective is that next time someone asks the same question I did, there would be a simple URL to give them ;)
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13:13<vv221>Until I find something better it will probably go on a dedicated page, that I will then link to from this category: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement
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14:00<scorpion2185[m]>'Requiring NMClient, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'NMClient' (any version) not found`
14:00<scorpion2185[m]>Do I need libnm-dev?
14:00<scorpion2185[m]>apt-file search NMClient
14:00<scorpion2185[m]>libnm-dev: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libnm/NMClient.html
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14:04<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: You have given zero context for us to work on. You know by now that you should be explaining what you're trying to do to get help here.
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14:05<scorpion2185[m]>A desklet doesn't work on cinnamon right now I am not usign it
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14:17<scorpion2185[m]>I logged out and now I am on cinnamon, `Error importing desklet.js from simple-system-monitor@ariel` that desklet doesn' t start
14:18<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], are you running unstable there? what is the app that requires this lib?
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14:19<scorpion2185[m]>no stable, this is a desklet not included in cinnamon by default.
14:19<scorpion2185[m]>what app? I posted the error that I found in the log
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14:20<Sqrt{not}>I see that library only in unstable
14:20<Sqrt{not}>(your desklet is probably what I meant by "app")
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14:21<scorpion2185[m]>really? I am installing it
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14:21<scorpion2185[m]>I only have buster sources
14:21<scorpion2185[m]>,v libnm-dev
14:21<judd>Package: libnm-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.2-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.14.6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.30.0-2; sid: 1.30.0-2
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15:23<scorpion2185[m]>I rebooted and that package didn't fix the desklet
15:24<scorpion2185[m]>I commented all lines in gedit /etc/xdg/autostart/com.github.spheras.desktopfolder.desktop but desktopfolder keeps autostarting
15:24<scorpion2185[m]> * I commented all lines in /etc/xdg/autostart/com.github.spheras.desktopfolder.desktop but desktopfolder keeps autostarting
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16:25<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], the file "/usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0/NMClient-1.0.typelib" is in package gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 only in sid
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16:26<Sqrt{not}>your NMClient.html is not a library
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16:36<redbrass>Does anyone know a good channel covering setting up/maintaing debian repositories via reprepro? I'm not having much luck finding a good source for this.
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16:36<redbrass>Most of my searches lead to creating a deb package, and that is not quite what I'm looking for.
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16:37<vv221>redbrass, I would suggest asking in #packaging
16:37<imMute>redbrass: I recall finding a couple websites about setting up reprepo. they weren't straight forward, but I cobbled enough together to get a repo setup
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16:39<redbrass>imMute: thanks. I've got the repo running, it's the minute details like updating from an upstream repo, making sure a VM with a sources.list file pointing to my repo actually uses a package from my repo and not further upstream, etc.
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16:39<redbrass>thanks vv221 - That was mentioned last week and I forgot while I fixed up my IRC accounts.
16:39<imMute>oh, well the former I've no experience with (I only put my own packages in it). the latter isn't specific to reprepro though - that's just plain apt priority pins
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16:45<sussudio>does carkmorwin actually do anything but join and quit about 1000 times a day?
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16:46<sussudio>logs say no.
16:46<sussudio>carkmorwin: are you a botr
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16:48<sussudio>i take that as a yes
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17:26<mac_nibblet>/︕⧹ THIЅ ᏟHAΝⲚΕᒪ HΑS ΜⲞᏙEⅮ ΤO ІᖇC.ᒪІΒΕᎡА․ⅭⲎAТ #HΑΜRAᎠIΟ /!\
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17:27<jhujhiti>what is with these people?
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17:27<sussudio>they're idiots who have had their connection hijaaked and are now part of a botnet.
17:28<GenTooMan>yeah but personally I would rather stop the idiot using the bot net.
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17:28<sussudio>the idiot is not using the botnet. go look up what a botnet is.
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17:29<sussudio>also, why isn't carkmorwin klined for this join/quit spam.
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17:36<sussudio>german internet hasn't been the same since they tried to do their own routing, as nuc is noticing.
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17:38<dvs>they have their own root servers?
17:40<sussudio>they tried to run their own exchanges, bypassing things like ams-ix
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17:40<sussudio>deutsche telecom are a bunch of pennypinching screw-ups, that's why i said no to their gigabit ethernet offer when they were laying fiber in the street here.
17:41<sussudio>(under their t-mobile brand)
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17:42<sussudio>and refused them into my house. i've seen what they've done to other places with 10cm thick tubes running through a house for their tiny fiber cable...
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17:43<sarnold>o_O
17:43<sussudio>seriously, running all along the wall...
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17:48<dvs>10cm tubes? Hahahha!
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17:54<sussudio>google "pvc ribbed tube" for an idea of what they look like
17:55<Sqrt{not}>Alaska Republican Ted Stevens long ago warned us the internet is a series of tubes.
17:56<sussudio>not sure if they thought the stairs were in danger of flooding or something... i'm guessing the fiberoptic cable would be waterproof anyway.
17:56<sarnold>it's not like a truck
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20:08<lepetiteX>Cod
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20:10<dvs>Sole!
20:10<lepetiteX>Could someone assist with connecting to dhcp wifi on a fresh Debian buster 10.9 install? I have no gui atm, trying to connect to wifi. The installer seemed to have connected just fine but after installed i have got no internet.
20:12<lepetiteX>Im really lost
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20:18<ddsys>lepetiteX: what brand wifi adapter do you have?
20:19<eight>ddsys: He quitted already
20:19<ddsys>oh thanks eight
20:20<ddsys>i have hide/join hidden
20:21<eight>That's why you shouldn't have them hidden
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20:41<bremner>your classier irc client will only hide parts/joins of people who have not spoken recently
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22:21<lepetiteX>Hi guys. How do I run two commands on startup? Like, whats the best way to do so.
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22:22<lepetiteX>In my case it is wpa_supplicant -B -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0 and dhclient wlan0
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22:22<dvs>Why do you want to run that manually?
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22:23<lepetiteX>dvs: I am on a fresh debian 10 install, and wifi wasnt configured automatically on startup, I had to generate a wpa_supplicant config and manually connect to internet
22:24<lepetiteX>Is there a better way of automating it?
22:24<dvs>lepetiteX: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
22:24<sarnold>how are you managing your networking settings? networkmanager? /etc/network/interfaces? systemd-networkd?
22:24<sarnold>something else? heh
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22:26<lepetiteX>sarnold /etc/network/interfaces
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22:28<sarnold>lepetiteX: cool cool, there's some instructions on the page dvs linked to taht show how to integrate it with /etc/network/interfaces
22:28<lepetiteX>so that should work for startup yea?
22:29<dvs>the /etc/network/interfaces part, yes
22:29<lepetiteX>thx big up
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22:31<dvs>uh oh. wifi failed!
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22:32<sarnold>probably just a reboot to try it out :)
22:32*dvs shudders
22:33<sarnold>hey a reboot every few months is good for the soul^W kernel
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22:34<dvs> 22:34:15 up 60 days, 21:12, 0 users, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.06
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22:36<junior1976>hello
22:36<dvs>oi!
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