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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-04

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01:56<Saturn>good evening
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02:09<PaulePanter>Hi. How do I manually create an entry for `/etc/shadow`?
02:09<PaulePanter>`mkpasswd -R50000 -m sha512crypt` gives me the hash, and I know the username.
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02:11<PaulePanter>It’s mainly about the third field, when the password was changed the last time (number of days after 1/1/1970).
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02:11<PaulePanter>I could leave it empty.
02:12<rudi_s>PaulePanter: You can just leave it as is. Just make sure the hash is compatible with man 5 crypt (not sure what mkpasswd uses).
02:13<rudi_s>man 5 shadow for the format if you want to change it.
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02:13<PaulePanter>For automation, I want to add the line to my scripts, and then just put it into `/etc/shadow` by a script.
02:14<PaulePanter>That would allow to make it non-interactive, and avoid having it to put in the script in plain text, which `chpasswd root:something` would need.
02:15<PaulePanter>I already looked at the manuals.
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02:15<rudi_s>PaulePanter: Waht exactly is the problem?
02:16<rudi_s>Btw. chpasswd also has -e ("Supplied passwords are in encrypted form.") which might be useful.
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02:17<PaulePanter>rudi_s: Thank you.
02:17<rudi_s>np
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02:18<PaulePanter>rudi_s: I want to non-interactively set up the root password for an image (grml-debootstrap can execute chroot-scripts, which are run in the image).
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02:30<anna>Hello @all
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03:10<aidalgol>Is it possible to set up rootless without using gdm? I don't really want to pull in what feels like half of gnome.
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03:12<ratrace>aidalgol: startx
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03:14<aidalgol>ratrace: OK, so since I'm using lightdm right now, what do I need to change in my ~/.xsessionrc file? Just call my window manager last in the script?
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03:16<ratrace>aidalgol: not in .xsessionrc, but in ~/.xinitrc
03:16<aidalgol>oh, right...
03:16<ratrace>eg, I use i3-wm, I have at the end of it exec /usr/bin/ssh-agent /bin/i3 (so it's a child of ssh-agent, and then it works automagic for ssh pubkeys)
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03:17<aidalgol>Awesome. I think that's what I had when I was using startx, and switched because... I don't remember why. Probably wasn't for a very good reason. :P
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03:25<wyre>hi guys, suddenly my network interface status goes down and I cannot set it up again with `ip link set enp5s0 up`
03:25<wyre>why could be this?
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03:26<ratrace>wyre: does that command not tell you why?
03:27<wyre>ratrace, nope, apparently it does nothing but it doesn't throw any message
03:27<ratrace>what about dmesg | tail ?
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03:50<wyre>ratrace, well I didn't see it and I've restarted the system
03:50<wyre>but journald apparently didn't show anything
03:50<wyre>let's see if it happens again
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03:51<ratrace>wyre: journald is not persistent by default on Buster
03:51<wyre>ratrace, yes, but I've set it persistent
03:51<ratrace>wyre: but it does forward to syslog by default. check /var/log/kern.log
03:52<ratrace>pretty sure something like nic going down and being unable to bring it back up wouldn't happen without something logged about it
03:53<ratrace>check also /var/log/messages for any other, non-kernel facility message clues
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03:53<wyre>ratrace, what's nic?
03:53<ratrace>the Network Interface CArd
03:53<ratrace>%s/CA/Ca/
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03:57<wyre>ratrace, you can see here the whole journal of that boot https://jfernandz.me/~wyre/nic_down.log
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03:59<wyre>I suspect it was because of this custom service jun 04 09:09:47 pabx2 systemd[1]: eth_On-Off.service: Succeeded.
04:01<wyre>which is like this http://ix.io/3oIi
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04:02<wyre>being eth1-on.sh like this http://ix.io/3oIj and eth2-off.sh like this http://ix.io/3oIk
04:02<wyre>but I don't like these scripts and the service it self (I didn't make them)
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04:05<ratrace>wyre: wth is eth_On-Off.service? that something custom you whipped up?
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04:06<wyre>ratrace, actually I didn't do it
04:06<wyre>but yes, is something custom that a friend did
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04:06<wyre>and I think also it's a little crap 😆
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04:07<ratrace>most stupid thing I've ever seen....
04:07<wyre>yes, I know
04:07<ratrace>well remove all that.
04:07<ratrace>you have /etc/network/interfaces that's controlled by networking.service
04:07<wyre>sure 😀
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04:07<wyre>I know
04:07<ratrace>if you want individual nics up and down,..... you still use that mechanism. OR systemd-networkd
04:07<wyre>what mechanism you mean?
04:08<wyre>networking.service?
04:08<ratrace>interfaces(5), aka /etc/network/interfaces, which is controlled by networking.service
04:08<ratrace>but if you want more complex relationships, NICs and networks going up and down based on various events, you can use systemd-networkd to controll the network
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04:11<wyre>ratrace, could I permanently disable one interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
04:11<ratrace>wyre: you can _not_ set it up, and then it won't be managed by interfaces(5) (on boot)
04:11<ratrace>but careful, NetworkManager, if you use it, will happily grab controls of any NIC not explicitly defined by interfaces(5)
04:12<wyre>I'm not using NetworkManager
04:12<ratrace>mkay, just a heads up
04:12<wyre>so if I never do `ip link set <interface> up` it will no managed by networking.service?
04:13<ratrace>no, wait. using `ip` directly has nothing to do with networking.service. networking.service is part of ifupdown framework, and is instrumented using `ifup` and `ifdown` commands
04:13<wyre>yes, I was seeing that in the service itself
04:13<ratrace>which you shouldn't be doing manually anyway, but let it all work automatically .. unless you need to manually bring one up and other down etc... then use ifupdown
04:14<wyre>but could I use ifup or ifdown for a single interface?
04:14<ratrace>or... you CAN use `ip` on NICs that are NOT configured via interfaces(5)
04:14<ratrace>wyre: yes, that's what it's meant to do
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04:14<ratrace>ifup/ifdown on interfaces that ARE defined in /etc/network/interfaces. `ip` directly, on interfaces that AREN'T
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04:15<wyre>oh, I see
04:15<ratrace>I mean you can use `ip` on both, but you'd be working around the framework and might confuse it if it thinks something's up and it isn't
04:15<wyre>so I should have tried to use ifup instead `ip link set ... up`
04:15<ratrace>only if that NIC is configured by /etc/network/interfaces
04:16<wyre>but anyway ... the point because my friend did those scripts is because he want do disable permanently the secondary interface
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04:17<wyre>even a cable is plugged
04:17<ratrace>simply don't configure it and it won't be used by interfaces(5) automagic
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04:19<ratrace>if you want some better guarantees than that, then you'd have to make sure it's down either via udev rules, or imho better: DO confiugre it but set it to a RFC non-routable subnet, like a 172.16/12 for example, that one's very rare
04:19<mono77redit>hola buenos dias, tengo un problema , no se si es grave para el inicio e borrado accidentalmente Xsession.options y los Xsession.options.swp , alguien me puede salvar el contenido ? por favor !!!!
04:20<ratrace>wyre: it's possible I'm not aware of a simper "keep it down and unconfigured" option via interfaces(5)
04:20<jm_>!es
04:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
04:20<mono77redit>thanks ,, and sorry
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05:00<aidalgol>!ops
05:00<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
05:00<aidalgol>!ops more libera spam
05:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: aidalgol complains about a problem (see above)
05:01<aidalgol>ratrace: I just discovered that the system default's xinitrc script will run ~/.xsessionrc, so I only had to add the final exec line to that script, without having to rename it.
05:02<aidalgol>It also handles some other housekeeping for me.
05:02<ratrace>aidalgol: ah good to know
05:03<petn-randall>aidalgol: The spammer was already k-lined, there's nothing left to do.
05:03<aidalgol>petn-randall: Oh, sorry. I didn't realise they were being addressed network-wide.
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05:05<petn-randall>aidalgol: Not sure if your IRC client shows quit/part messages. If you have, it shows "Nickeeh [~Nickeeh@217.65.247.238] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions (2021-06-04 08:54:52)]"
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05:06<petn-randall>aidalgol: As for preventive spam detection, they're freely swapping letters with similar unicode chars to prevent string-based matching and killing.
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05:18<MTecknology>About the only way to effectively deal with that is to require users be identified to be able to speak. Unfortunately, that's problematic in a situation like this.
05:18<MTecknology>s/situation/channel/
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05:19<MTecknology>You /could/ mute unidentified users and have a bot give them voice after 20 seconds?
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06:32<blackbit>hi! i am currently trying to set up a soekris net5501, a rather old 32 bit machine with debian wheezy as i need an old kernel. installation of grub is successful, but on boot i get "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic". what is a good way for me to analyze why this happens?
06:33<ratrace>blackbit: for starters, why are you using wheezy?
06:34<blackbit>because i need an old-enough kernel. a driver that i need (for a token ring nic) was removed from later kernels
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06:35<vv221>petn-randall, about the spam issues, for other channels we’ve tried the +s mode (hide the channel from the public index) and it seems to work quite well. Could that be an option here?
06:35<ratrace>vv221: no
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06:36<ratrace>the +q suggestion for unregged users is the best solution imho, better than +r on the chan
06:36<blackbit>searching the web for the "invalid arch independent ELF magic" issue, mostly EFI-related things pop up. this is a classic bios system though
06:37<vv221>ratrace, +q is the mode where you need to be voiced before you can post?
06:37<ratrace>yes, but the mods see the posts
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06:39<ratrace>blackbit: what are you booting on it? a wheezy ISO?
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06:39<vv221>Thanks, got it.
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06:40<blackbit>ratrace: nope. the device doesn't have a cdrom or graphical output or input devices. i installed netboot via PXE and a serial console
06:41<ratrace>blackbit: you could also preinstall debian on to a sata drive, and plug the preinstalled drive in it
06:41<blackbit>i bootet netboot from PXE again, dropped to a shell, mounted /dev /proc and /sys and chroot-ed. i have a shell open here, but do not really know what i can do to fix this. `grub-install /dev/sda` etc. didn't make a difference
06:41<blackbit>block storage is a CF-card here, but yeah, i get your point. i have considered that, but why would it make a difference?
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06:43<blackbit>i'd like to understand why that particular error message is issued. is the stage1 bootloader the wrong architecture or something like that? i do not know at all
06:44<ratrace>blackbit: it shouldn't but who knows. btw, I don't understand your problem now. first you said it's on boot, but now you say you're in a chroot.... do you have wheezy already installed on it?
06:44<koollman>blackbit: at a minimum, I would say grub can't read the kernel or its own stage2, or it thinks what it managed to read is wrong
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06:45<koollman>blackbit: does it drop you to a grub rescue shell afterwards ?
06:45<blackbit>so... i cannot boot from the cf card. that is why i booted via PXE again to be able to get a shell on the installed system
06:45<blackbit>koollman: yes, i get a grub-rescue shell
06:46<koollman>right. I would try to find out what exactly is usable/not usable from the rescue shell. that should help find out why grub fails, like if you cannot list the cf card content or something
06:46<blackbit>koollman: what can i do validate that grub is able to read the kernel image? and are there likely reasons why that would fail?
06:47<blackbit>okay, let me do that. rebooting now
06:47<blackbit>in 'grub rescue>' now
06:48<blackbit>https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-PxybffnRZYk/stdin <- this is how it looks right now
06:48<koollman>blackbit: ls /
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06:49<blackbit>https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-x78xcW9rj4c/stdin
06:49<blackbit>aha, this might be a clue https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-Q3BxhVsOuJY/stdin
06:49<koollman>right. first I can see there's an initrd there, but no kernel. so if grubs look for it there...
06:50<koollman>and ls /boot ?
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06:50<blackbit>first link...
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06:51<koollman>first is / , now I need /boot, and probably /boot/grub (insmod would try /boot/grub/normal.mod)
06:51<blackbit>different error message here https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-qysUX7xxLQE/stdin
06:52<koollman>corrupted/wrong files copied in the grub directory would be most likely (or some other failure to read the files, but seems harder if the fs is readable)
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06:53<blackbit>https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-jXYkGZeFnAw/stdin
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06:57<koollman>blackbit: my best guess is that those files are corrupted. you could try 'set', to see the current setting for root, 'ls' to see if the mapping makes sense (I don't expect many drives detected, and this / seems to be the right one). and assuming the setting for 'root' from set output is (hd0,1), you could try : insmod (hd0,1)/boot/grub/normal.mod
06:58<ratrace>blackbit: one reason to consider preinstallation is that you've eliminated a whole set of variables, by testing and knowing the data on disk is correct.
06:58<blackbit>prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub
06:59<blackbit>why it is msdos1 and not 1... i don't know
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06:59<koollman>partition scheme, it means it uses mbr
06:59<blackbit>grub rescue> insmod (hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/normal.mod
06:59<blackbit>error: invalid arch independent ELF magic.
07:00<blackbit>i figure it's able to read the file, but is unhappy with the content. so, if i chroot into the system again, could i do anything besides `file normal.mod` to check if the file is okay?
07:00<koollman>right. so ... that file is not the one grub expects to read for some reason. I'm not sure how you could fix this. from a netboot shell you could maybe try debsums to make sure
07:01<blackbit>ah, good idea
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07:01<blackbit>i had the output of `file` still in my scrollback buffer
07:01<blackbit>normal.mod: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
07:01<blackbit>okay, i'll try debsums. if that is inconclusive, i'll go for pre-installation
07:01<koollman>what's the cpu on that soekris board ?
07:01<koollman>(is it x86?)
07:02<blackbit>AMD Geode, 434MHz
07:02<blackbit>yes, x86, 32bit
07:02<blackbit>not exactly a racehorse
07:02<koollman>right. so that seems valid as well. (and the magic byte should be valid anyway, it would fail later)
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07:12<blackbit>root@hercules:/# debsums -s grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
07:12<blackbit>root@hercules:/#
07:12<blackbit>debsums is happy, interestingely enough
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07:12<blackbit>so weird...
07:13<ratrace>I'd like to re-toss the preinstallation idea again onto the table. it fell off, and someone kicked it under the sofa
07:14<blackbit>nono, still on the table. i mean, i am running out of options here
07:14<wyre>is there some way to mount /var/log in a separate partition and don't get the "systemd[1]: Failed unmounting /var/log." fail?
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07:16<ratrace>wyre: maybe if you didn't use persistend journald that requires /var/log/journal/ until the absolutely last moment
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07:20<wyre>what do you mean with "until the absolutely last moment"?
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07:21<ratrace>wyre: journald is part of systemd internals and wants to log until rootfs is last umounted
07:22<ratrace>there's a catch-22 if /var/log/journal is on a mountpoint that's not rootfs, as systemd wants to umount it before rootfs, but not before journald stops logging
07:22<ratrace>Im assuming you're talking about the error that appears when you shutdown or reboot?
07:23<wyre>ratrace, yes, excatly
07:23<wyre>it's happening when shutdown and reboot
07:23<wyre>but could I make systemd to wait until the end?
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07:25<ratrace>wyre: maybe by writing an explicit .mount unit and there's an option in systemd.mount(5)
07:25<ratrace>it's probably also possible to set such an option via x-systemd namespace in fstab options column
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07:26<ratrace>wyre: maybe using LazyUnmount option
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07:28<wyre>ratrace, so do you think could I specify lazyunmount option in the fstab? 🤔
07:28<ratrace>wyre: x-systemd.lazyunmount=yes probably
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07:44<wyre>well, apparently this doesn't help 😞
07:44<keycollector>what does it mean when a file has owner/group permissions of 799?
07:44<bremner>sounds impossible, in octal
07:44<bremner>do you mean the UID / GID is 799?
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07:45<keycollector>owner: 799 group: 799 permissions: 0755
07:45<keycollector>is what the file reads
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07:47<bremner>sounds like someone/something deleted the user, but left the file?
07:47<bremner>user 799 sounds like a system user created by a package
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07:51<wyre>ratrace, what about a explicit .mount unit? 🤔
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07:59<ratrace>wyre: I doubt it'd make a difference over options passed via fstab.
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08:00<wyre>so there is nothing I can do? could I safely ignore it?
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08:02<discape>Is the SSL certificate for irc.debian.org broken, because I get a warning that the certificate failed the authenticity check every time I connect?
08:03<wyre>discape, I think you should ask this in #oftc
08:03<discape>wyre ok, thanks my bad
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08:04<TheBigK>is irc.debian.org managed by #oftc ?
08:04<wyre>TheBigK, apparently irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net
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08:04<blackbit>i gave lilo a chance. it boots the kernel, no problem. though, the kernel then isn't able to mount the root fs
08:05<blackbit>ratrace: koollman: ^
08:05<TheBigK>blackbit: what fs ur using for ur root fs
08:05<blackbit>ext3
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08:06<ratrace>wyre: I suppose so, unless you're using a filesystem that might object imperfect unmount. Or don't use persistent journald; if you use syslogd, it's a bit redundant to use both
08:06<TheBigK>hmm... sounds fine... weird... can u pastebin the bootlog?
08:06<ratrace>blackbit: lilo is long dead, but then so is the distro you're trying to install. lol. IfItWorks(tm)....
08:06<blackbit>sure
08:07<TheBigK>which distro is he installing?
08:07<TheBigK>or she...
08:07<ratrace>Wheezy
08:07<TheBigK>whats the right term of gendering in english? everything is she?
08:07<yourfate>they
08:07<koollman>blackbit: so the symptom still is 'trying to read that fs fails' :)
08:07<yourfate>:D
08:07<wyre>ratrace, well, I like how journald parses the logs, also ... I will not have the same problem if syslog is writing the logs when systemd tries to unmount the partition?
08:07<blackbit>bootlog https://ahuemer.xx.vu/volatile/2021-06-04-Yzy2Pmdiz6M/stdin
08:07<ratrace>TheBigK: I use "s/he". "they" is simply wrong. it's plural and confusing in many situations
08:08<koollman>(lilo cheats to boot the kernel and does not go through normal fs steps)
08:08<grawity>unlike "you" which is definitely not plural?
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08:08<ratrace>engrish better grow genderless pronouns asap
08:08<koollman>maybe the fs has something wrong with it. try fsck
08:08<TheBigK>wheezy is... debian 6? i dont remember
08:09<ratrace>wyre: yes but not as loudly with an error log
08:09<blackbit>TheBigK: i need a driver that was removed from later kernels, hence the antique release
08:09<grawity>wyre: hmm I'm not entirely sure how the default dependencies work when it comes to /var, but even if unmounting via the .mount unit fails, it shouldn't be a big problem because systemd-shutdown will still do a final umount loop after all processes are killed
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08:10<TheBigK>and that module doesnt compile on modern gcc or what?
08:10<blackbit>wait... why do i have 'root=801' in my kernel commandline
08:10<wyre>grawity, so I could safely ignore it, but ... I'd like to prevent the error in the logs 😞
08:10<ratrace>the plot thickens....
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08:10<TheBigK>blackbit: im not clicking that... pls !paste
08:10<grawity>wyre: make the syslog service depend on var.mount or whatever? it'll ensure reverse stop order
08:10<TheBigK>!paste
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08:11<wyre>grawity, var.mount? I have not such a thing
08:11<blackbit>https://paste.debian.net/1200004/
08:13<ratrace>wyre: you should in /run because all fstab entries are converted to run-time .mount units
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08:14<koollman>blackbit: I would expect something like /dev/hda1 for root, although it depends how the cf card is connected
08:14<ratrace> /run/systemd/generator/var.log.mount probably (if you're mounting /var/log and not just /var, in which case it's var.mount)
08:14<ratrace>wyre: ^
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08:15<blackbit>TheBigK: i am talking about an in-kernel driver, no OOT stuff. token ring nic. i don't think that can be made work on later kernels. it was removed because the code was incompatible with network subsystem changes
08:15<koollman>blackbit: also, looks like that kernel can't find any partition, so it may lack a module to see the CF reader, or at least some delay to let it reset to a valid state
08:15<wyre>ratrace, yes, now I can see it
08:15<koollman>blackbit: try root=/dev/hda1 rootdelay=60
08:15<blackbit>linux is seeing the card as /dev/sda
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08:15<koollman>blackbit: old linux, or modern linux seeing it that way ? :)
08:16<blackbit>old linux
08:16<koollman>ok. then /dev/sda1
08:16<wyre>what are objects in /run/systemd/units/?
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08:17<grawity>just systemd storing some persistent data (invocation IDs) across reexecs
08:17<grawity>"why use files if we can store data in symlink targets haha"
08:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 941] by debhelper
08:18<ratrace>the filesystem IS a database :)
08:19<TheBigK>blackbit: interesting... i hope ur doing this just for funsies ... and not to get some production system working :D
08:19<grawity>hmm actually those might be consumed by some sd_*() API in libsystemd? I suppose readlink() avoids the need for a FD
08:20<wyre>aparently rsyslog service is not running and I cannot start it ...
08:20<ratrace>wyre: Bullseye?
08:20<blackbit>it's all fun and games. i have an IBM 3174 terminal controller and have that hooked up to the hercules mainframe emulator. the 3174 has a token ring interface. so far i used a cisco router to translate between TR and ethernet, but i need to be on the same broadcast domain for some things, hence the token ring pci card...
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08:21<wyre>oh, I was trying to start it instead REstart it
08:21<TheBigK>sounds cool. have fun :)
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08:22<wyre>but I guess I have to make rsyslog.service dependent on var-log.mount, right? grawity
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08:22<grawity>yes
08:23<wyre>grawity, WantedBy?
08:23<grawity>nnnno, that's kinda the opposite of "dependent on"
08:23<blackbit>not sure yet where the root=801 thing comes from. that string is not in lilo.conf
08:23<wyre>grawity, so ... Requires?
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08:24<grawity>wyre: either [Unit] Wants or [Unit] Requires
08:24<blackbit>if there are multiple root= arguments on the kernel commandline, do later ones overwrite earlier ones?
08:24<ratrace>blackbit: /etc/default/grub maybe?
08:24<blackbit>lilo...
08:24<grawity>blackbit: might be lilo itself; the kernel's root= option (i.e. when you do not have any initramfs) actually supports this syntax, it's interpreted as the device's major:minor number
08:24<ratrace>blackbit: oh right
08:24<wyre>grawity, I'm going to read the man to see the diffence, but which one do you recommend me?
08:24<blackbit>how can i validate if 801 is correct?
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08:25<grawity>on a modern Linux (with libata) /dev/sda1 is indeed 0x0801
08:25<blackbit>ah, okay
08:25<grawity>I *think* it's about right for pre-libata /dev/hda1 as well
08:25<blackbit>so best i can do then is add rootdelay=60
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08:27<grawity>Wants = "if var.mount fails, the service starts anyway; and if var.mount gets stopped later, the service continues running" (not that the latter part matters here, with rsyslog having open file handles to files in /var... but worth remembering in general)
08:27<ratrace>wyre: I'd just put an After=var-log.mount in the [Unit] section, under /etc/systemd/system/rsyslog.service.d/umount-dep.conf
08:28<grawity>Requires = "if var.mount fails, the service won't get started; and if var.mount gets stopped later, the service also gets stopped"
08:28<blackbit>[ 61.244712] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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08:28<blackbit>enough with that. i'll do a pre-install in the evening
08:29<ratrace>=)
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08:30<wyre>ratrace, grawity, anyway I'd say the problem is having it journald itself (independently of rsyslog)
08:30<wyre>ratrace, /etc/systemd/system/rsyslog.service.d doesn't exist, should I create it?
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08:32<wyre>I meant the it's journald itself which is having the problem, independently of rsyslog
08:32<wyre>so I'm not sure this mods in rsyslog service will help
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08:36<ratrace>wyre: correct, the syslog hax is only about solving the issue for syslog. and yes, you create such dirs in /etc/systemd/system/ when you want unit drop-ins
08:36<Tas-sos>I have a Debian GNU/Linux machine, can I get updates ?
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08:37<bremner>Tas-sos: yes, but you'll need to ask a more specific question.
08:37<Tas-sos>its need to enable some specific repositories ?
08:38<ratrace>!sources.list
08:38<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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08:44<Tas-sos>I have the following: https://pastebin.com/raw/5yu3pEMT
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08:44<Tas-sos>I'm ok ? Because I have long time to receive some package update :-/
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08:50<pipedream>Tas-sos: It looks OK. Do you get updates if you run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
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08:53<ratrace>Tas-sos: jessie is long dead
08:54<ratrace>it's no longer even a LTS as of june last year
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08:55<ratrace>Tas-sos: you should really upgrade to stretch and then to buster and in a few weeks, to bullseye.
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09:02<arcadellama>Hi longtime Slackware user here learning Debian for a project, loving it so far!
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09:03<arcadellama>Question: for building packages that aren't in the repos, is there a standard 'build script' either format or program to keep a handle on personal .deb?
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09:04<arcadellama>In Slackware we have "SlackBuilds" which I think is similar to "PKGBUILD" in Arch world.
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09:06<bentham>arcadellama: are you familiar with dpkg-build?
09:06<bentham>That might be what you're looking for
09:07<Tas-sos>pipedream: Yes, I get this ---> https://pastebin.com/raw/5yu3pEMT (updated)
09:07<Tas-sos>ratrace: haha ^_^ Yes I know, but I also want to know what happens about LTS and ELTS versions.. how can I have a systems with updates from LTS and ELTS
09:08<bremner>Tas-sos: see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
09:08<Tas-sos>thanks guys! :-)
09:08<bremner>jess is not receiving LTS support anymore
09:08<arcadellama>bentham: Thanks, I'll look into it.
09:09<bentham>rather dpkg-buildpackage
09:09<bentham>arcadellama: ^
09:09<bremner>Tas-sos: for ELTS see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended
09:09<arcadellama>bentham: Ha, yes, I was just about to comment: The naming conventions are a little confusing.
09:10<bentham>arcadellama: :)
09:10<bremner>Tas-sos: but really, unless you are running 1000 computers in production, just upgrade already
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09:11<bremner>it just wastes everybody's time trying to keep ancient versions running forever.
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09:16<ratrace>kills kittens by virtue of causing global warming
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09:29<Tas-sos>bremner: Thank you! I appriciate you opinion! :-)
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09:37<z>Hello
09:37<z>Is anyone here?
09:38<bremner>!ask
09:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
09:38<z>!ask
09:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:39<z>Can someone tell me for what HexChat has been created?
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09:39<SamantazFox>Well, chatting on IRC
09:40<z>what's IRC?
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09:41<z>Hello chomwitt
09:41<towo^work>internet relay chat
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09:41<z>oh ok
09:42<z>so what I can talk here about?
09:42<ajak>debian
09:42<z>oh ok
09:42<z>I understand
09:43<z>it's my first time on HexChat so sorry for asking questions like that
09:43<ajak>you're on IRC, hexchat is just one client
09:43<z>oh
09:43<z>ok
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09:43<z>then, bye. gtg
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10:30<lepetiteX>Hi guys. Any idea why my audio output is stuttering/cutting out/skipping? I installed alsa using apt install alsa-utils, running on Debian 10.9 fresh install, and kernel 4.19.0-16-amd64. It is really annoying.
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10:31<lepetiteX>The stutter/cut out/skip is very minimal, and it is not present always, just sometimes, that is why it is very annoying.
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10:55<Saturn>Anyone know of a cross platform messenger that works on all devices, including mobile?
10:55<Saturn>And only internal, only on LAN.
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10:57<tw>matrix or jabber can be set up that way. You'll have to set up internal dns though.
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10:58<vv221>I too would suggest something relying on Jabber/XMPP.
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11:28<gulamtcho>Hello to everyone, I try to connect my NSA310 (NAS Device) to Linux Debian over CrossoverCable
11:28<gulamtcho>when I do it in Win10 it works in Linux I have huge problems to do it
11:32<colo>how are you trying to connect?
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11:32<colo>(crossover cables are a thing of the past with GBit Ethernet btw)
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11:34<ItRisesFromTheAshes>hello. Is anyone aware of "custom" Debian ISO's that have many of the most commonly used programming libraries (c/c++, python) already installed ?
11:34<bremner>well, there's the DVDs.
11:35<ItRisesFromTheAshes>I'm trying to setup a offline development box and it's kinda difficult to get everything installed that I need...
11:35<imMute>ItRisesFromTheAshes: for an installer or Live disc? because for an installer it doesn't really matter a whole lot
11:35<ItRisesFromTheAshes>imMute, yes, installer would be fine
11:36<ItRisesFromTheAshes>bremner, the DVD's install many libs?
11:36<bremner>ItRisesFromTheAshes: they can.
11:36<imMute>ItRisesFromTheAshes: ah, your box doesn't have internet access. you sure you can't give it access at least during the install? otherwise, IIRC, the DVD set has nearly all the packages available
11:36<ItRisesFromTheAshes>imMute, hmmm
11:37<bremner>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/
11:37<bremner>there is also things like apt-offline
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11:38<bremner>!apt-offline
11:38<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
11:38<ItRisesFromTheAshes>bremner, 17 DVD's? holy ****
11:38<ItRisesFromTheAshes>I would imagine pretty much "everything" is on those....
11:38<bremner>well. That's why you might want to look at the list files
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11:39<gulamtcho>Hi colo, my Laptop is from 2012, the fastest is 1000Mbit/s
11:39<ItRisesFromTheAshes>does anyone sell the entire set?
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11:39<ItRisesFromTheAshes>let me check osdisc
11:39<gulamtcho>I am able to ping the ip of the NAS
11:39<colo>gulamtcho, that's OK, as that speed is proper Gigabit Ethernet :)
11:39<gulamtcho>an then I do with ""cifs
11:39<imMute>ItRisesFromTheAshes: the debian archive is *huge*
11:39<ItRisesFromTheAshes>osdisc is closed....wth
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11:40<ItRisesFromTheAshes>imMute, who sells the entire Debian DVD set online ?
11:40<ItRisesFromTheAshes>actual DVD's
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11:41<colo>gulamtcho, so IP connectivity is there, which is good. you can try `smbclient -L ip.add.re.ss` to see if the device advertises any SMB shares
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11:42<ItRisesFromTheAshes>so the list shows 17 dvd's but there's only 3 dvds available for download?
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11:43<gulamtcho>response on the suggested command: mkdir failed.....
11:44<colo>eh? can you nopaste the output please?
11:44<bremner>ItRisesFromTheAshes: it looks like the others are available via jigdo
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11:44<gulamtcho>mkdir failed on directory /var/run/samba/msg.lock: Keine Berechtigung
11:44<gulamtcho>Unable to initialize messaging context
11:44<gulamtcho>do_connect: Connection to 192.168.178.20 failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
11:44<ItRisesFromTheAshes>bremner
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11:45<gulamtcho>*no authorization
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11:45<colo>gulamtcho, that reads like there is no SMB server listening. you could install nmap on your machine and use it to scan your NAS's IP address for any services offered in its current state.
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11:49<gulamtcho>installation is done
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11:50<imMute>ItRisesFromTheAshes: I've never bought DVDs/CDs I always use the netinstall ISO.
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11:52<ItRisesFromTheAshes>imMute, Well, this machine is air-gapped. Debian was my introduction to Linux. Would be very cool to have the entire DVD set. I'm going to work on getting it....
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11:54<gulamtcho>hey colo, I think this was a wrong direction from my side.
11:55<gulamtcho>When I perform "nmap ipAddr" it tell me something with my router name
11:55<gulamtcho>so I guess it was not the ip from NAS, it is the ip of my router
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11:56<gulamtcho>I have the feeling that something is wrong with my LAN Drivers
11:56<gulamtcho>how can I get more details?
11:56<colo>gulamtcho, maybe. I thought you had an Ethernet patch cable running between your PC and the NAS only?
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11:56<gulamtcho>yes thats correct so far from the Hardware side.
11:57<gulamtcho>And I am not sure, the ip Adress of the NAS ist always fix?
11:57<gulamtcho>I tried ping on this one but no response
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11:57<gulamtcho>I just mixed the two ip adresses. BUT router ip response and NAS ip does not response
11:58<ItRisesFromTheAshes>even better would be the entire dvd set on a single USB stick that you can install from!
11:59<colo>well you need to figure out the IP address of the NAS somehow. maybe it advertises itself via zeroconf, then you could use something like `avahi-browse -v -p -r -a -t` and look for things that might be it in there
11:59<gulamtcho>My debian system tries to connect to the wired device NAS and tells me several times not succecfully and than it switch completly off
11:59<colo>maybe your router records the IP address dished out via DHCP to the NAS device.
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12:02<gulamtcho>what do you think about the driver suspicion?
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12:03<gulamtcho>Another intersting point, regarding driver suspicion. Today I played a bit with a direct cable Internet connection. And it was not working properly
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12:04<gulamtcho>I mean a cable directly connected from PC to Router
12:04<gulamtcho>sometimes the System recognized the connection and sometimes not
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12:07<blast007>gulamtcho: I would verify the staticly assigned IP addresses of any device doesn't conflict with the DHCP address pool. IP conflicts can certainly cause weird issues. :)
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12:09<gulamtcho>how to check the dhcp address pool?
12:10<tw>What's the best way to get boost-dev 1.75 installed on a debian system? 1.74.0.3 is in apt (testing/sid). There's a feature in the dec 2020 release that I want to use though.
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12:10<tw>(but I don't want to break anything that has build deps on libboost-dev)
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12:12<tw>gulamtcho: depends on your dhcp server. if it's isc-dhcp-server, there is a leases file in /var that the service creates. I think it's /var/lib/dhcp/dhcp.leases, but I might be wrong.
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12:12<tw>Oh, you're talking about from the client side, ignore that statement.
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12:13<blast007>if your DHCP server is on a commercial router, it will likely have a web interface
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12:14<gulamtcho>web interface like: fritz.box ? :)
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12:20<gulamtcho>@blast007: I am trying to figure more out on the web interface of my router but it looks not good ;(
12:21<blast007>"looks not good" sounds like most router interfaces to me ;)
12:21<gulamtcho>Are you sure that this might be the issue? Because with Win10 on the same machine I have no issues with the connection to NAS
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12:24<gulamtcho>Allright. DHCP is activated an it tells me it gives adresses from 192.168.178.20 to 192.168.178.200
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12:29<gulamtcho>how can I check this information with the statically given ipaddress of the NAS
12:29<gulamtcho>What do I have to check?
12:29<gulamtcho>the ip adr. of NAS is 169.254.251.48
12:30<gulamtcho>is this invalid? Does it have to be in the given range?
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12:35<gulamtcho>blast007? where are you :)?
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12:35<tw>It means your NAS didn't get an IP address from a dhcp server so it self-assigned itself an address.
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12:36<tw>169.254.x.x is a self-allocation/peerless autoconfig prefix.
12:36<gulamtcho>yes! I have manually assigned the adr.
12:37<blast007>generally for a NAS (or anything service content) I'd assign a static IP, outside the DHCP pool. So something like 192.168.178.10 in your case.
12:37<blast007>serving*
12:38<blast007>but if it's not getting an IP from your router, it could indicate a problem with the router or the cable between the NAS and the router
12:38<blast007>(or could be some glitch with the NAS)
12:39<blast007>cable is easist to swap out first
12:39<gulamtcho>another HW connection! PC - CrossoverCable - NAS
12:39<gulamtcho>Router does not play role actually in this case
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12:39<blast007>oh.. so you have two network cards in your PC?
12:40<gulamtcho>LAN - NAS and HexChat over WLAN :)
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12:41<blast007>I'm unclear. So you have WiFi on your PC, but it's also connected wired between the PC and the NAS?
12:43<blast007>like this? router/AP <-- wifi --> PC <-- network cable --> NAS
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12:45<gulamtcho>yes thats it! I use the NAS not like a NAS at the moment more like just a memory medium
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12:50<blast007>okay, then you have a separate network and should have a separate subnet. So use maybe 192.168.179.1 on the PC LAN interface and assign 192.168.179.2 for the NAS.
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12:51<gulamtcho>"seperate network" means it should be outside the DHCP given range, right?
12:52<blast007>separate meaning it should be a different subnet completely
12:52<gulamtcho>OK
12:52<blast007>note my example changed the 178 from your main network to 179
12:52<gulamtcho>is the different ip for the Linux System important?
12:52<blast007>that's assuming that both use a 255.255.0.0 subnet mask
12:52<blast007>yeah
12:52<gulamtcho>I do not know how to chane
12:53<gulamtcho>change
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12:53<blast007>network interfaces need to be in the same subnet in order to communicate without the use of a router
12:54<gulamtcho>OK, do I understand it correct? PC WLAN and Router should have subnet 255.255.255.0 and
12:54<gulamtcho>PC LAN and the NAS should have subnet 255.255.0.0? :/
12:54<blast007>oh sorry, I meant 255.255.255.0
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12:55<blast007>I'm used to working on bigger networks :)
12:56<blast007>but yes, the mask should be 255.255.255.0 for both. That means the the first three octets defines the network, and the last octet is used for host assignments. So you'll have two networks. 192.168.178.* and 192.168.179.*
12:56<blast007>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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12:57<gulamtcho>:) OK now I understand
12:57<blast007>you don't want a default gateway assigned on the PC's LAN interface. You don't need one on the NAS either, but some systems require it, so you could just provide the PC's LAN IP.
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13:02<gulamtcho>which gateway adr should I use
13:02<gulamtcho>?
13:04<gulamtcho>blast007 I guess you have meant that I should set PC LAN ip to 192.168.179.1
13:04<gulamtcho>NOT the PC WLAN ip
13:08<gulamtcho>OK, I will be back after reconfigured ip adr. of NAS
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13:20<gulamtcho>ping works to NAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OWSAME :D
13:27<gulamtcho>sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.179.2 /media/home -o rw,user=xxxx,password=yyyy
13:27<gulamtcho>mount error(22): Invalid argument
13:27<gulamtcho>Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
13:27<gulamtcho>how can I open this manual page????
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13:38<cc> gulamtcho: use the command: man mount.cifs
13:38<cc>or: man 8 mount.cifs
13:39<cc>but I don't think specifying the 8 is needed in this particular case
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13:42<gulamtcho>thks for the advice it worked nice to recall the manuall pages
13:42<gulamtcho>currently I get this message
13:42<gulamtcho>sudo mount.cifs //192.168.179.2/public /media/home -o user=xxxx,pass=yyyy
13:42<gulamtcho>mount error(112): Host is down
13:42<gulamtcho>Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
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13:43<gulamtcho>man 8 mount.cifs OR just man mount.cifs. In both cases the whole manuel is showed ;(
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13:46<gulamtcho>folks!!!! I nearly got the connection I can feel it
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13:46<gulamtcho>but how to continue?
13:46<gulamtcho>I really get the connection over web browser. What I miss is the mount in the file system
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13:53<blast007>gulamtcho: you may need to reboot the NAS, or you may have to specifically enable the Windows file sharing service on it (may be called Samba or CIFS)
13:56<petn-randall>gulamtcho: If you can connect to 192.168.179.2 via http but not via CIFS, it means that the windows share service isn't enabled there.
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14:04<gulamtcho>I checked both messages, blast007 and petn-randall
14:05<asusba>Hi, does anyone know how to install 0ad alpha 24 in Buster? Repo only has 23.
14:06<gulamtcho>I was able to share files on the same machine with the Win10 System. So therefore for my unerstanding it should be possible with linux also
14:07<blast007>asusba: if you really need it and if you're okay with Flatpak, there 0.0.24 on Flathub
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14:07<gulamtcho>I do need "samba" I guess. It is mentioned in the manual of NAS in a sentence together with CIFS
14:08<asusba>blast007: thanks, I'll look into it!
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14:13<imMute>,v 0as
14:13<judd>No package named '0as' was found in amd64.
14:13<imMute>,v 0ad
14:13<judd>Package: 0ad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.0.17-1; stretch: 0.0.21-2; stretch-backports: 0.0.23-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.0.23.1-2; bullseye: 0.0.23.1-5+b1; sid: 0.0.23.1-5+b1; experimental: 0.0.24b-1
14:13<imMute>asusba: 24 is not available unless you use the experimental repo (which I don't recommend doing). The flatpack blast007 mentioned is probably your best bet
14:14<scorpion2185[m]>On cinnamon is there some dock/bar/panel to launch the first 10 apps with super+1, super+2 [...] super+0 ? That doesn't open a new instance unless you set it
14:14<petn-randall>gulamtcho: The NAS might have only support SMB3.1.1, which only Windows 10 speaks, and to my knowledge mount.cifs doesn't.
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14:15<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: What's wrong with setting it then? Sounds like exactly what you want.
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14:32<tw>petn-randall: smb3.1.1 support w/ encryption works as of linux 4.17's cifs driver. Maybe earlier w/o crypto, but I think win server will demand it. May need -o vers=3.0 or vers=3.1.1.
14:33<tw>gulamtcho: for you rather -^
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14:39<gulamtcho>OK I got the connection and I can access to the FileSystem of the NAS
14:40<gulamtcho>but I still have a LOOOOT of questions :O
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14:41<gulamtcho>I performed it over GUI. Nautilus Other Places/ Connect with Server/smb://ipadr/
14:41<gulamtcho>the whole other stuff with ciffs and sumbo over terminal did not work for me at all
14:42<gulamtcho>where can I check which smb version my NAS support?
14:43<gulamtcho>Networkdiagnosetool "a.root-servers.net" I got this from the NAS WebInterface
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14:44<gulamtcho>I need to continue on another day.
14:44<gulamtcho>Thanks a lot. Which you all only the BEST :)
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14:53<vv221>Debian Sid user here. Since a reboot a couple minutes ago, I can no longer output any sound, be it using ALSA (my usual setup) or with PulseAudio (that I used only to debug the current issue).
14:54<vv221>Is there some recent update that could cause such issues?
14:55<vv221>Probably related, pavucontrol only shows my HDMI output (that is not plugged in), the onboard chipset is no longer listed in the ourput configuration.
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14:57<vv221>I reverted to linux-image-5.10.0-6-amd64 (from linux-image-5.10.0-7-amd64), but it did not improve anything.
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14:57<petn-randall>!debian-next
14:57<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on libera.chat nor freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
14:57<petn-randall>vv221: Your best chance is to ask there ^^^
14:58<vv221>Thanks ;)
15:01<sercanbrack[m]>Quick question: Debian Stable, as I understand it, is the only release getting security updates. Is this because Debian Testing is actively receiving new software versions (which includes security fixes), and do not need specialized security updates like Debian stable does?
15:01<petn-randall>sercanbrack[m]: Yes, that is correct.
15:01<imMute>sercanbrack[m]: it's also that testing isn't meant to be used for production, so quick security fixes are not priority
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15:02<petn-randall>sercanbrack[m]: Any security fixes to the testing branch must go through unstable first, and that might take days/weeks to be allowed, if any piggy-backed changes are disruptive.
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15:03<sercanbrack[m]>But eventually, Testing ends up with the fixed (secure) code...
15:05<sercanbrack[m]>Right?
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15:06<petn-randall>sercanbrack[m]: It might also be that the package is in such a bad state that the package gets removed, so testing never gets the fix.
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15:15<sercanbrack[m]>That makes sense. Thank you! One more question—is there any harm in perpetually staying in Testing, and treating it as a rolling release? For example, editing your apt sources to “testing” rather than a code name (ie bullseye for example)?
15:16<sercanbrack[m]>Will things just keep rolling on after code freezes and the next Stable is released?
15:17<vv221>sercanbrack[m], I think you would end up with an half-baked Debian Sid ;)
15:20<sercanbrack[m]>Wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting/ seems to indicate that it will keep rolling on as long as my apt sources are set to be tracking “Testing” instead of the codename.
15:20<imMute>sercanbrack[m]: upgrading from one freeze to the post freeze might not work and you'll hve to fix it yourself.
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15:30<jmcnaught>sercanbrack[m]: testing has different phases, right now it is frozen so not much change happens, but after the release there is often a flood of rapid changes. A lot of people target testing when it gets frozen, and continue to use it after release for a few months while things settle down.
15:31<jmcnaught>(use it as the new stable release that is)
15:33<sercanbrack[m]>So, in theory, it should work?
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15:33<jmcnaught>If you are prepared for that kind of turbulence then it can work, but like I said most prefer to set their sources to the codename ("bullseye") instead of "testing" so they avoid that.
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15:35<sercanbrack[m]>Makes sense. That’s basically the trade offs.
15:36<sercanbrack[m]>Thank you everyone for your comments!
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15:49<scorpion2185[m]> * -
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15:49<scorpion2185[m]> * a
15:50<scorpion2185[m]> * On cinnamon is there some dock/bar/panel to launch the first 10 apps with super+1, super+2 [...] super+0 ? That doesn't open a new instance unless you set it
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15:51<scorpion2185[m]>petn-randall: No, I set super+2 for terminal but evrytime it opens a new instance instead. And there is no link between terminal as second app in the list and the shortcut
15:53<scorpion2185[m]>Something like KDE task manager (?) and gnome dock with dash to dock , new versions have that without the extension maybe
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15:59<nollidj>i'm updating an old laptop that's on testing, and it looks like wicd got axed. seems like it may be considered moribund upstream. any suggestions for a replacement? it always behaved better for me than networkmanager did
15:59<nollidj>(i can go back to networkmanager, i suppose)
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16:02<sarnold>nollidj: connman's been around a while https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Network_managers
16:02<nollidj>thanks, i'll take a look
16:02<nollidj>might just bite the bullet and go back to network-manager. it seems to be less bad now
16:02<jmcnaught>network-manager is fine
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16:35<aquator>Hi
16:36<aquator>what are the commabd for updating Manjaro?
16:36<aquator>commabd
16:36<sarnold>!manjaro
16:36<dpkg>Manjaro Linux is desktop-oriented distribution based on Arch Linux. http://manjaro.org/ #manjaro on irc.freenode.net.
16:36<sarnold>hah
16:36<sarnold>who knows where they are now..
16:37<aquator>how do you update in terminal? sudo pacman what
16:37<aquator>sudo pacman update??
16:38<reillybrogan>aquator, you're in the wrong channel. This is for Debian linux, not Manjaro
16:38<aquator>oops sorry mate
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16:44<reillybrogan>at0m, They're gone already
16:45<at0m>reillybrogan: oh. downside of using crapbuster.pl and a crap window 0_o
16:46<at0m>ok i'll mention and tabcomplete again as some sort of assurance
16:47<phin> is there a cli command for cups that will pull printer information via command line? ink levels, etc?
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18:10<ryouma>i am on stretch. i have 1.1g free. i ahve deleted all the packages i could. i ahve a 1gb swap file. i just tried installing 0ad, which said nos pace left on disk.. i do not need 0ad, so that's ok. but i do need to upgrade to buster. am i going to have trouble upgrading to buster with only 1.1g free?
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18:11<towo`>possible
18:11<bremner>ryouma: if it is split between e.g. /var and /, probably
18:11<sarnold>it depends on how many, which packages, you've got installed.. it feels pretty tight to me, regardless
18:12<sussudio>ryouma: upgrade manually, a few packages at a time.
18:12<ryouma>it is just one / partition. only boot is separate.
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18:15<ryouma>i am considering the risks of 1) copying / directly to a 15gb partition on the same drive and pointing grub to it or 2) indiecrectly doing so by copying boot and root to a thumb drive and then copyuign back to the 15gb partition and boot.
18:15<ryouma>i could maybe instaed move /var and /usr tp the 15gb partition and suymlink to them?
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18:34<at0m>ryouma: is /home/ on the same / partition? is that taking up considerable space?
18:35<at0m>ryouma: also, you can free up old .deb's using 'apt clean', in case you've collected them
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18:41<ryouma>at0m: home is separate
18:42<ryouma>i use apt-get clean after every apt-get and will use that after the upgrade and safe-upgrade stages in the dist-upgrade
18:42<ryouma>(i have forgotten whther the instructions say safe or dist)
18:43<ryouma>i guess 9gb is just too tight for root. maybe i will boot from thumb drivbe tghen copy that over to 15gb partition
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18:51<john>nick mxorig
18:51<spawacz>how far is finishing second stage of debootstrap from creating a running system? I already have bootstraped working arm chroot, what else do I need to make the raspbery boot from the SD card i set the chroot on? I see i miss kernel and grub, is that all that's missing?
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18:55<at0m>spawacz: not sure, but https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs/ has some howto
18:55<spawacz>thanks
18:55<at0m>hopefully that fills in some blanks
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19:04<Linux77>anyone known if have some problem if i create one host like debian.my.domain and these host redirects to debian.org, i think about it, anuone known?
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19:07<bahamat>If I want to add a PATH entry for all users, where is the best place to do that?
19:07<sarnold>if you really mean users, /etc/environment is a good starting point
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19:08<sarnold>that's read by pam_env if pam_env is configured in your /etc/pam.d/ services files
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19:09<bahamat>Perfect, thanks.
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20:45<Guest911>i have udev rules for my usb/serial adapters but how can i get udev to apply/update rules without rebooting
20:46<sarnold>try udevadm trigger
20:46<sarnold>I can't promise that's it, but I think that did the trick for me once
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20:48<Guest911>sarnold YES!!! that worked, thank you so much!!
20:48<Guest911>really appreciate that
20:49<sarnold>Guest911: yay :D
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20:52<john>like vi
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21:05<john>me what
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21:07<ryouma>is /boot/grub/device.map still needed for anything? i renamed mine years ago and i can still boot ever since (on stretch at least).
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21:10<ryouma>also can /sbin/dhclient be restarted without rebooting
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21:33<mxco86>⁄﹗\ TᕼΙS CⲎᎪNⲚΕᏞ HAS ᎷΟVΕⅮ ΤO IRC․LІΒΕRА.ϹᎻΑТ #ᎻAMRᎪᎠIO /!∖
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21:35<ryouma>is this channel on oftc the supported debian channel?
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21:37<sarnold>ryouma: yes
21:37<sarnold>ryouma: it's late on a friday afternoon for americas though, night time for europe, and well into the weekend for asia.. it's a bit quiet
21:37<ryouma>thanks
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22:52<miskos2>how many people are in this channel?
22:52<miskos2>webchat doesnt allow to count
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22:55<kathy->trying to use lighttpd for a personal page, written in nano sort of complexity. i want SSL via let's encrypt, and i want it to actually work, and i don't have that with light atm ... should i just switch to apache because everybody supports that? i'm getting tired of fighting light.
22:55<miskos2>why dont you guys also move to libera chat?
22:56<ryouma>miskos2: @debhelper @Ganneff ^Q-Master^ _0xdd
22:56<ryouma> _cr_ _zxq9_ a_west abdulocracy1 Abrax
22:56<ryouma> abrotman ach AciD` adam12 adammo
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22:56<ryouma> agaida__ agentcasey aidalgol Airwave AJ_Z0
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22:57<ryouma>apologies for idiocy. return in my client will paste even long stuff.
22:58<ryouma>anyway there are about 1000 nicks in this channelk. i was counting using emacs.
22:59<ryouma>i didn't check word delimiters etc.
22:59<kathy->hexchat counts 918.
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