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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-07

---Logopened Mon Jun 07 00:00:18 2021
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02:30<euler123x>hi!
02:30<node1>Hello
02:30<euler123x>wow, sorry first time using irc!
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02:47<wyre>is rsyslog enabled by default in Debian?
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03:13<ratrace>wyre: Buster yes. Bullseye dispensed with it in favor of persistent journald, but only if you install it new. It doesn't do that on upgrade.
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03:52<Anarka>wow good to know, syslog in bullseye isnt default !?
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03:54<Anarka>ahh it is..
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03:55<Anarka>meh... "This should not interfere with any existing traditional logging daemon such as rsyslog, but users who are not relying on special features of such a daemon may wish to uninstall it and switch over to using only the journal. " or not :p
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04:06<ratrace>so with bullseye, pango's font rendering is using harfbuzz instead of cairo and now font kerning and other features have gone to hell... as someone who spends vast majority of computing time in front of walls of text via terminals, and source code, this is quite an impact, having upgraded my main workstation to bullseye. sure, not debian's fault, every distro using pango 1.44+ is affected and the only
04:07<ratrace>alternative is what ... freeze to old, unpatched pango versions?
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04:07<ratrace>bug #956612
04:07<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/956612 in libpango-1.0-0 (forwarded, upstream): «libpango-1.0-0: broken kerning since 1.44»; severity: important; opened: 2020-04-13; last modified: 2020-06-26.
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05:11<jm_>last comment in that bug is depressing to read :)
05:12<ratrace>typical FOSS tho :)
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05:46<jelly>wait pango, I need that for hexchat
05:46<Unit193>Time to switch clients!
05:47<jelly>> same solution used on debian 10 servers applies for proxmox 6
05:47<jelly>oops
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05:48<jelly>> in 1.44 they dropped support for full horizontal hinting
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05:48<jelly>that is the main thing I need from any app to read anything, with my myopic eyes and brain
05:48<ratrace>the text in my $TERM is awful now! my codes! my eyes!
05:49<Whitemoor>I know Zoom is outside Debian proper, but for an unknown reason its performance is totally to pot on this computer though it works OK on my partner's. Is there any troubleshooting information available for it?
05:49<jelly>characters with blurry edges = broken autofocus = instant headache
05:50<ratrace>jelly: the new behaviour is supposed to actually fix _that_ at the expense of spacing, if I understand this correctly
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05:51<Whitemoor>It becomes unresponsive soon after starting, or if not, just plain refuses to complete joining a meeting
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05:51<ratrace>in my case at least, the glyphs are tighter, more condensed, less readable
05:51<ratrace>and W (big w) is cut off on the left side
05:52<ratrace>Whitemoor: and what's that, a flatpak? snap? web based?
05:52<jelly>I need clear horizontal alignment, and clear vertical edges if possible
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05:52<Whitemoor>ratrace: Their .deb for Debian
05:52<ratrace>I'll have to get used to it, but this W will kill my OCD
05:53<ratrace>Whitemoor: well, such third party software is not really supported here. But you could check the usual suspects. is it consuming CPU? is there a lot of IO?
05:53<kwami>Hi guys, need to set up a non auth required share in samba
05:54<kwami>what is missing in smb.conf https://pastebin.com/e40UhtC2
05:54<Whitemoor>Doesn't appear to be
05:55<jelly>ratrace, I guess I'll live with hexchat and pango from debian 10
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05:55<ratrace>jelly: for how long :)
05:56<jelly>until the next laptop that will have hidpi, 2024 maybe
05:56<ratrace>Whitemoor: so then maybe it's possible it's missing proper library linkage and doesn't do any GPU acceleration. Is that nvidia where performance is shot?
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05:57<ratrace>jelly: so bookworm! :)
05:58<jelly>I'm writing this on bionic anyway, the debian workstations are hundreds of km away
05:58<Whitemoor>It's *totally* shot. For a start it pulls up google-chrome which it doesn't on my partner's, and I can't at present get it past the Join/Login screen anyway
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05:58<ratrace>Whitemoor: welp, you should really contact the developer for that.
05:59<Whitemoor>Not NVidia, Intel. Not sure there is anyone I can contact
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05:59<ratrace>Whitemoor: do you otherwise have the GPU set up properly? firmware installed?
06:00<ratrace>firmware-misc-nonfree I believe, for intel
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06:00<Whitemoor>Yes, besides I would put my shirt on this NOT being GPU related
06:01<ratrace>I think you'd be surprised how much modern web things and rendering depends on gpu. but of course, it's possible it's something else
06:01<ratrace>jelly: are you VNC-ing or x2go'ing to the workstations? or whats the story?
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06:02<Whitemoor>It's not really rendering anything (or really trying to) when it goes useless
06:02<ratrace>jelly: I ask beacuse I want to migrate my computing to the servers, and use Remina or maybe x2go for remote interfacing, so I become very cloudy and airborne...
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06:16<ratrace>oh goodie! my new gaming amdgpu arrived! here begins the Week of Fighting With AMD Firmware and Kernel Versions!
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06:30<sca>ratrace, tell me about it ...
06:31<Whitemoor>Interesting... have installed the nonfree and realtek firmware backports for a major improvement.
06:31<sca>never got amdgpu latest driver running with debian, currently running in Ubuntu 21.04 with wierd glitches in firefox from .deb
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06:36<jelly>ratrace, only ssh. rdp to the necessary windows vm, only
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06:41<Whitemoor>The realtek firmware made at least the bulk of the difference
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07:11<ratrace>This is the last time I'm buying AMD anything. I've been personal computing since 1980s, from commodores, ataris and vast variety of Intel PCs, I've never ever had this many issues.
07:11*tarzeau is happy with arm64
07:11<tarzeau>it's not like intel is way better then amd, is it?
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07:11<tarzeau>the whole x86 platform is cursed, carrying old cruft called IBM standard
07:12<ratrace>In quality of products, it actually very much is
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07:12<tarzeau>i've got a bunch of amd cpus, they work like horses. i can't say intel is less problematic than amd
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08:32<wyre>is `ro` a default parameter in the kernel's command line?
08:33<wyre>I mean, has this buster by default?
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08:56<Guest1146>Hiya Folks
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09:07<PtitGNU>/ⵑ\ TᎻΙᏚ ϹΗᎪΝΝEL ΗᎪЅ MOⅤЕᎠ ΤO ΙᏒC․ⅬΙBERΑ.CዘAT ﹟HAϺᎡAᎠІΟ /!⧹
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09:13<tizef>PtitGNU is a user who do not use such practices !
09:14<tizef>he is on Libera.chat #manjaro-fr
09:14<tizef>it looks Andrew Lee mad game...
09:14<tizef>really sad man
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09:23<bremner>best to just ignore the trolls as long as they are autokilled
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09:28<wyre>why Debian mount at first the root filesystem as read only? (I can see there is `ro` parameter in the kernel's command line at /boot/grub/grub.cfg)
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09:30<TheBigK>wyre: i would assume thats related to some safety concerns. it remounts rw if the filesystem is checked to be clean? thats my guess
09:31<TheBigK>wyre: does it bother u ?
09:32<wyre>TheBigK, well, I'd like to know when is remounting it as rw 🤔
09:32<BCMM>wyre: just about every distro does that. it's the responsibility of the init system to remount it rw at some point
09:32<BCMM>generally after fsck
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09:32<wyre>BCMM, in Arch it's rw by default in the kernel's cmdline
09:32<ratrace>you need a fstab entry to remount as rw
09:32<BCMM>arch is a weird distro, to be honest
09:33<BCMM>i mean, in terms of doing stuff that breaks conventions for absolutely no reason
09:33<bremner>wyre: is there some concrete problem you are trying to solve?
09:34<JimBob>hi, gibts auch einen deutschen debian chat?
09:34<BCMM>also, how does arch handle checking filesystem health?
09:34<bremner>!de
09:34<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org
09:34<bremner>JimBob: ^
09:35<JimBob>danke bremner den hab ich eben nicht in der liste gesehen
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09:36<JimBob>this channel ist secret*g*
09:36<bremner>danke spammers
09:36<wyre>bremner, well, I'm working on a project where I need to preserve the internal storage device against abrupt power losses, and I'm planing to use overlayfs to mount /
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09:38<BCMM>wyre: doesn't that make ro the opposite of a problem?
09:39<BCMM>oh, you want to disable whatever part of debian makes it rw later, right?
09:39<wyre>BCMM, yes, that's the idea
09:40<wyre>I was researching how this raspberry pi os script does https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L2416
09:40<wyre>but apparently things in Debian are a little different
09:41<wyre>because I have not /boot/cmdline.txt to set the kernel parameters
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09:41<imMute>wyre: the boot process on the Pi is unlike most other systems.
09:42<wyre>imMute, so I cannot take advantage of that script?
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09:42<imMute>on something other than a Pi? most likely no.
09:42<wyre>imMute, well, my idea was to adapt the script for a plain debian system
09:42<BCMM>wyre: sorry, to clarify: are you using a raspberry pi?
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09:43<wyre>BCMM, no, my system is a Debian x86_64 but I'd like to develop some similar script to that one to toggle the overlayfs in the root fs
09:44<BCMM>wyre: ok. cmdline.txt is a raspberry pi thing.
09:44<BCMM>it is read by either the firmware or the weird bootloader (i don't fully understand how they fit together on the pi)
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09:44<BCMM>the equivalent on a typical desktop would be to use grub's configuration to set the kernel command line
09:44<wyre>yes, I guess so
09:45<wyre>BCMM, exactly that's my whole point
09:45<BCMM>well, my point is that this isn't a raspberry pi OS vs debian thing
09:45<wyre>I could do a similar script to modify /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub and mount the root fs as overlayfs in the next boot
09:45<BCMM>it's a property of the actual pi hardware
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09:47<wyre>so then how do you see my objective? I mean, do you think it's possible?
09:48<wyre>or even useful?
09:48<BCMM>wyre: anyway, not sure if the wiki is outdated, what with systemd having happened, but it says that you can just use fstab to keep root ro
09:48<wyre>BCMM, the point of doing this is that I wouldn't be able to write in the system at runtime
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09:49<wyre>and some programs like systemd apparently need that (fake-writable fs, I mean)
09:49<wyre>if you mount whole / as ro and you have folders like /run under that mountpoint ... you will run in troubles
09:50<wyre>I mean the system is going to get in trobule
09:50<BCMM>so you want / itself to be an overlayfs, right
09:50<tizef>bremner, yes, thanks
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09:50<koollman>wyre: if /run is its own mountpoint (and a tmpfs) it still works
09:50<BCMM>i've seen quite a few solutions that claim to do that, but i'm not sure i got to the bottom of which ones are, like, currently maintained
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09:51<BCMM>i seem to recall various options that expected a different initramfs system that debian uses, or an old equivalent to overlayfs or something...
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09:52<BCMM>let me see if i can find what i was reading before
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09:52<wyre>koollman, well, I've tried to do it manually (by mounting the folders in fstab) and I didn't get the very same result than you get when use overlayfs
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09:53<wyre>in fact when you use overlayfs you are able to have a single mount point for the whole root fs instead having separate partitions for every folder in the FHS
09:54<wyre>the point is that I've tried this on RPi, because they have this raspi-config script which does this pretty simple https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config
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09:57<wyre>in fact I've been checking this other alternative https://github.com/ghollingworth/overlayfs much more simple, but it's also RPi specific 😞
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10:39<JimBob>!help
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10:52<JimBob>no special
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11:24<spawacz>is there any utility that generates safe passwords or ones with given specification (like 20 in size, with special character, with at least 1 uppercase etc)?
11:24<spawacz>i checked gpg and openssl and it's not built in
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11:24<imMute>spawacz: I use KeePass to generate (and store) passwords.
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11:27<Linux-Fan>spawacz: Does pwgen suit your use? https://packages.debian.org/buster/pwgen
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11:30<grove>I use `pwgen` to generate passwords
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11:37<a7s>Hello. I'm having trouble configuring apache 2.4 on Debian 10. From my googlefu, it seems to be a debian-specific issue.
11:37<a7s>Is this the right place to ask about this?
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11:38<imMute>a7s: yes, you can ask here.
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11:59<jhujhiti>i'm looking for something to sync a few small files between two nearby machines. the machines will be in an active-passive setup and i simply want the passive machine to have an updated copy of the files. the files aren't critical, bordering on mild inconvenience if they get lost. what should i be looking at? drbd seems awfully heavy for this. rsync is too hacky...
11:59<bremner>what's hacky about rsync?
12:00<gdb>You've already eliminated the correct solution. ;-)
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12:00<bremner>I'm not trying to pick a fight, just want to know what you are looking for that rsync does not provide
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12:01<jhujhiti>fair question. my thinking is that i want an event-based sync, like inotify or something at the filesystem level
12:02<bandali>perhaps you could pipe entr and rsync together
12:03<jhujhiti>ssh auth for this just feels crappy too since the other applications are using multicast to discover each other
12:03<colo>jhujhiti, maybe https://github.com/LINBIT/csync2 (using librsync behind the curtain)
12:04<jhujhiti>colo: funny, same people behind drbd!
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12:05<jhujhiti>colo: this looks interesting, will read more about it. thanks
12:05<colo>yw
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12:08<jhujhiti>bandali: thanks for the tip on entr as well
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12:16<a7s>I'm having trouble with mod_remoteip. I have some sites that are behind a load balancer (haproxy) that is using send-proxy directive, and some that are not. It seems I can only get one or the other working.
12:16<a7s>I've tried adding the "RemoteIPProxyProtocol On" directive to only those sites which are behind the load balancer, but that prevents other (non-load-balanced) sites from working. If I try adding "RemoteIPProxyProtocol Off" to those vhosts, then the ones which are behind a load balancer stop working.
12:17<a7s>From what I could find on Google (not much, and not recent), some have hinted that this may be an issue with Debian's implementation (as opposed to CentOS which apparently does not have the same issue)
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12:37<bandali>jhujhiti, cheers :-)
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12:41<Sqrt{not}>did #httpd move from fleenode to the new place?
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12:42<Unit193>It moved to Libera, yes.
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12:43<Sqrt{not}>!apache
12:43<dpkg>Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.libera.chat.
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13:36<redbrass>THere seems to be something wrong with my debian build environment. If I run "debuild -uc -us -b" in my project's directory, the $DESTDIR variable is not automatically set.
13:37<redbrass>Anyone familiar with building deb packages have any tips/or suggestions on this problem? Google has not been especially useful yet...
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13:37<bremner>##packaging is dedicated to that topic
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13:47<redbrass>bremner: lol.. thanks. I'm in that channel already for reprepro stuff. Thought this would be OT there... I'll see what they have to say.
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14:01<scorpion2185[m]>I think that Debian need a new team
14:06<bremner>that's a bit hard to take seriously from someone with no known contributions to the project.
14:06<somiaj>What do you mean?
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14:15<imMute>yeah, what does "a new team" mean??
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14:25<jonas1>what does Debian mean?
14:25<jonas1>what do "you" mean
14:26<zleap>hi
14:27<zleap>Debian is named after it's creator Ian and Debbie Murdock DebIan
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14:29<jonas1>zleap: thanks - and sorry that I forgot a smiley: I knew that already, was just trying to be funny
14:30<zleap>ah ok no problem
14:30<jonas1>(it was tied to a few remarks monets before you logged into the channel)
14:30<jonas1>moments*
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14:33<zleap>:)
14:35<jonas1>yes, like that - except I prefer nose on my smileys :-)
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15:20<ratrace>OMG! I just hacked an amdgpu+firwmare support for navi 22 on bullseye!
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15:23<ratrace>yeah but the amount of glitches is astonishing .......
15:24<ratrace>use open source, they said. give nvidia the finger, they said. use AMD they said.......
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15:38<rangergord[m]>ratrace: so AMD GPUs suck on Linux? Go either Intel or Nvidia?
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15:39<somiaj>depends on what you mean by suck, amd gpus have the best open support (with nonfree firmware) and work fairly decently (provided you don't have bleeding edge in debian)
15:39<jmcnaught>AMD GPUs work great on Linux generally, but this particular model was only released a few months ago.
15:40<somiaj>nvidia's closed source driver still proivdes in most cases better preformance for gaming or intensive 3d apps, which has terrible support, so if your card works, ti works good, but if it doesn't there isnt' much you can do except wait for nvidia to care (which they often don't)
15:41<somiaj>though amdgpu has bridged a lot of that gap, it isn't nearly as bad as it use to be.
15:42<cc>nvidia has recently introduced native GPU switching functionality to their driver
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15:43<cc>that was the last important missing piece (in xorg world anyway)
15:44<somiaj>ahh yea, I just avoided optimus hardware, so never ran into those issues
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15:58<scorpion2185[m]>bremner: somiaj imMute Debian Root Team to support root (remove root check etc.)
15:58<scorpion2185[m]> Like Puppy devs that created a normal user in the home of root for doing things without elevated privileges.
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15:59<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: are you the guy who is trying to add another root-but-not-root to the kernel?
15:59<scorpion2185[m]>yes
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15:59<scorpion2185[m]>Another root with different uid and name
16:00<imMute>nope. not gonna touch that. you need to setup sudo and drop this. it's pointless and very few (if any) people are going to help you
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16:04<TemaRin>Just installed latest debian on my laptop that already had windows installed on it.
16:04<TemaRin>But for some reason it does not seem to have installed grub?
16:05<TemaRin>Did not even ask me the usual question where it asks if one wants to install on mbr bla bla bla
16:05<TemaRin>This has never happened to me before
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16:09<jmcnaught>TemaRin: did you replace Windows or install Debian in some free space? Which OS starts when you boot the computer? UEFI computers do not get GRUB installed in a MBR anymore, it gets installed to the EFI System Partition (ESP)
16:10<TemaRin>On bios i got uefi with CSM active.
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16:10<TemaRin>I installed windows and linux on the same ssd disk on 2 different partitions
16:10<TemaRin>Windows starts when the computer boots
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16:11<jmcnaught>Can you select Debian from the boot options in the firmware?
16:12<TemaRin>Nope.
16:12<TemaRin>On only cd/dvd
16:12<TemaRin>usb
16:12<TemaRin>and then windows boot manager
16:13<TemaRin>no mention of debian
16:14<jmcnaught>TemaRin: You installed Debian after Windows?
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16:16<TemaRin>Yeap
16:18<jmcnaught>If you have a Debian installer image on CD or USB (such as the netinst image) then you can boot it into rescue mode (under advanced in the boot menu). This rescue mode has the ability to reinstall GRUB.
16:19<alex11>is there a way to list only .deb you manually installed?
16:19<alex11>as in i guess third party
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16:22<TemaRin>let me try
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16:23<jmcnaught>alex11: are you on buster or bullseye? Bullseye brings new search patterns to apt (man apt-patterns), otherwise on buster aptitude will be most helpful. "aptitude search ~o" searches for packages not available for download. "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" searches for packages not from Debian.
16:23<alex11>buster
16:23<alex11>thanks
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16:27<TemaRin>I choose the rescue mode but it just began asking me stuff like language, domain name etc.
16:27<TemaRin>Now its saying enter a device you wish to use as your root
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16:28<TemaRin>ahh think i found the menu
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16:28<TemaRin>still didnt work.
16:29<TemaRin>This is odd. Maybe i should try changing bios to uefi only and reinstall windows and then debian again?
16:29<TemaRin>Thinking maybe the csm mode is fecking something up
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16:30<alex11>actually i guess that'd be in the release notes, come to think of it
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16:49<TemaRin>I'm reinstalling now, thinking maybe something went wrong last time
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16:56<sussudio>hooking up russia to the internet was a mistake.
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17:00<TemaRin>jmcnaught, so rescue did not work so i decided to reinstall debian. Changed bios to UEFI instead of UEFI with CSM. Just finished installing the base system and it now says "Installation is complete, so it is time to boot into your new system".
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17:01<TemaRin>At this stage im used to from previous installations on my desktop that instead a grub menu is loaded saying It already detected windows installed yada yada
17:01<TemaRin>And where to install grub.
17:01<TemaRin>Its very odd that this never comes up
17:03<TemaRin>I setup 3 partitions. 1 swap, 1 ext4 and put the mount point to /home and another ext4 with the mount point /
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17:07<TemaRin>Ok think i got it to work.
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17:08<TemaRin>Well grub seems to work now at least but when booting debian xfce never started and just got to the console. Then everything became stuck once i tried to login through bash/console
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17:11<w_>hello is anyone here
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17:15<TemaRin>So i finally got it to boot and now i get this instead. https://i.imgur.com/qWxmzc4.png
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17:16<plaur>TemaRin: maybe it doesn't recognize your video card correctly. it could be you need a non-free firmware package, or it's not supported by the relatively-old debian buster (if you installed stable)
17:17<plaur>or your mainboard, seeing those pcie errors
17:18<plaur>did you try a fedora live cd to see if that works? they normally have the latest kernels and graphics libraries, if that doesn't work, it doesn't look good for debian, either
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17:19<TemaRin>I'll try fedora see if that helps
17:19<plaur>https://getfedora.org - i guess a debian testing live cd would also be interesting, to see if your hardware works, but i couldn't find any.
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17:20<TemaRin>Would suck if it turns out my laptop is useless for linux
17:22<jmcnaught>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/
17:22<jonathon>wdebianw: no :P
17:23<TemaRin>wow fedora even has its own usb creation tool lol
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17:23<alex11>fedora?! in my #debian??? blasphemy
17:23<TemaRin>Hey not my fault debian is not working lol
17:24<TemaRin>I use debian on my workstation if that makes you feel better :D
17:24<dvs>!lart TemaRin
17:24*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of TemaRin's pants
17:24<TemaRin>https://i.imgur.com/qWxmzc4.png
17:24<TemaRin>if you can fix this issue i would be happy to burn the fedoria live usb lol
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17:25<plaur>alex11: a friend's brand-new vivobook wouldn't even boot with debian stable or ubuntu (1-2 years ago, buster was relatively new), while fedora worked out of the box. if you have new hardware, fedora works pretty well (until you get caught by some of the upstream bugs)
17:25<alex11>i'm just teasing
17:26<plaur>:)
17:26<TemaRin>I wonder if arch would work
17:26<TemaRin>if fedora works
17:26<TemaRin>dunno what i should think about fedora as i've never used it before
17:26*dvs is currently downloading Knoppix 9.1
17:26<TemaRin>This laptop is from 2016. Its an MSI Gaming laptop
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17:27<alex11>i've never run into "too new hardware; won't boot" issues but i think if i did i might try to set it up with the backported kernel
17:27<TemaRin>USUALLY msi is good at using generic shit
17:27<TemaRin>which USUALLY works well with linux
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17:27<peace3>bzed, May I please have your advice? After upgrading gmic and friends, the entry for G'MIC-Qt in GIMP's Filters menu is grayed out, and broken. Console errors are at
17:27<TemaRin>Worst case i'll sell this one to some windows lover and try and get myself a new one that works with linux.
17:27<plaur>gaming laptop, probably nvidia graphics, maybe optimus
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17:28<peace3>bzed, https://paste.debian.net/1200343/
17:28<peace3>bzed, Can you explain how to fix it?
17:28<plaur>TemaRin: you're probably missing firmware if it's from 2016
17:28<TemaRin>Yeap its nvidia 1050
17:28<TemaRin>lemme check if it uses optimus
17:29<TemaRin>If i can even find that info
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17:30<plaur>installing firmware-misc-nonfree might help for nvidia cards (with nouveau)
17:31<TemaRin>plaur problem is i can't even login....
17:31<TemaRin>everything hangs up
17:31<TemaRin>Hard to install anything then
17:31<TemaRin>and i think the laptop uses optimus but i thought that was kinda fixed for linux
17:31<TemaRin>I remember there were a lot of issues when it first came out
17:31<sussudio>"airdata security" in germany. not very secure, if you're infested by spambots...
17:32<plaur>oh. then try the testing live cd from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ or fedora, maybe you have more luck
17:33<TemaRin>Well im happy if fedora works then at least i have linux but would have prefered my fav distro debian.
17:33<TemaRin>Worst case i'll see if arch works as i'm at least familiar with arch compared to fedora
17:34<plaur>maybe bullseye would work as well, who knows
17:34<TemaRin>The dream
17:34<TemaRin>is there a live cd for bullseye?
17:35<plaur>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ i guess?
17:36<TemaRin>wooohooooo
17:36<TemaRin>fedora works
17:36<coc0nut>I dont look forward to debian upgrading gnome to 40 :o
17:37<TemaRin>I'll test that plaur hopefully it works
17:37<TemaRin>otherwise i'll have to go with fedora or arch
17:39<plaur>coc0nut: it looks elegant, but using the mouse to the upper-left corner, than going all the way down to the icon bar, sucks.
17:39<coc0nut>they removed dash to dock in 40
17:39*plaur runs xfce
17:40<coc0nut>just testing fedora right now. dont like it... Dont like gnome40 either.
17:40<coc0nut>even extensions settings is gone from gnomw-tweaks
17:40<plaur>surprising they still found things to remove in gnome...
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17:40<coc0nut>less more dont they say? they ruined it pretty hard
17:41<coc0nut>less is more*
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17:42<plaur>"gnome ain't done until it looks like twm, manual window placement and nothing else - nothingness is beautiful!"
17:44<coc0nut>gnome3 is perfect!
17:44<coc0nut>might head over to kde or xfce
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17:45<plaur>mate is also quite nice. kde is more featureful on modern hardware, though
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17:46<coc0nut>Im so in love with my laptop with debian 10 and gnome3... please dont move to gnome40 in bullseye :P
17:47<N47HZ>Evening everyone
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17:48<th3_end>hi guys i need some help.
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17:49<th3_end>i am currently running a Ubuntu using a livecd and i already setup persistence but now i would like to move it to my hdd does anyone know how to do that??
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17:51<coc0nut>th3_end, i dont think livecd is writing anything to disk, so its just temporary. youll have to do it again after installing...
17:52<th3_end>what i mean is i would like to transfer my current persistence mode to hdd
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17:52<th3_end>instead of running it from a usb as i am running out of space
17:53<th3_end>coc0nut: what i mean is i would like to transfer my current persistence mode to hdd. instead of running it from a usb as i am running out of space
17:53<coc0nut>aha, clone it to a hdd? like cloning two disks
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17:53<th3_end>ok heres the thing my usb is split into two partitions
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17:54<th3_end>Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
17:54<th3_end>/dev/sdb1 * 2048 13254601 13252554 6.3G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
17:54<th3_end>/dev/sdb2 13254602 30031816 16777215 8G 83 Linux
17:55<coc0nut>I think you should clone it, and then resize the partition and eventually delete the other or whatever you want to do with it
17:55<th3_end>how do i do that?
17:55<th3_end>be advices i only have 1 working usb port and no disk drive
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17:56<th3_end>Device Start End Sectors Size Type
17:56<th3_end>/dev/sda1 2048 1058815 1056768 516M EFI System
17:56<th3_end>/dev/sda2 1060296 426684415 425624120 203G Apple TV recovery
17:56<th3_end>/dev/sda3 426684416 612042751 185358336 88.4G EFI System
17:56<th3_end>/dev/sda4 612042752 625141759 13099008 6.2G Linux swap
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17:56<alex11>lol
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17:56<TemaRin>plaur, any idea why i get the message " unknown TPM error. "You need to load the kernel first" with the live cd?
17:56<ratrace>terrible
17:56<petn-randall>th3_end: Please use a paste site:
17:57<ratrace>!tell th3_end about pastebin
17:57<TemaRin>Should i take this as debian bascially won't work on this laptop?
17:57<petn-randall>!paste
17:57<th3_end>ok i understand
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18:00<th3_end>ratrace: yea i'm doing that as we speak
18:00<th3_end>sorry i'm beign such a noob
18:01<th3_end>https://pastebin.com/qxVNstaf
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18:05<Sqrt{not}>TemaRin, how did you make your live cd? how did you boot it?
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18:06<th3_end>made it in windows using unetbootin or rufus cant remember been using it for 3 months now
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18:06<Sqrt{not}>!unetbootin
18:06<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
18:06<Sqrt{not}>!rufus
18:06<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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18:07<Sqrt{not}>th3_end, [my question was addressed to TemaRin ]
18:07<TemaRin>Sqrt{not}, made it with rufus. Plugged it into the usb slot :P
18:07<Sqrt{not}>TemaRin, did you use rufus's DD mode?
18:07<TemaRin>Nope
18:08<Sqrt{not}>go back and do it again, and use DD
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18:08<TemaRin>Yes sir!
18:08<TemaRin>Damn my suffering never ends
18:08<Sqrt{not}>you'll be much happier
18:08<TemaRin>hope this laptop actually boots with bulleye
18:08<TemaRin>then i'll be happy
18:08<TemaRin>otherwise im doomed to use fedora
18:09<TemaRin>or spend 50 hours installing arch and hope that works
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18:10<ratrace>could be worse, 159 hours InstallingGentoo(tm) :)
18:10<TemaRin>lmfao
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18:11<TemaRin>Ahhh there is something called Archie which is supposed to be an archlinux live cd
18:11<TemaRin>Guess i could try that first
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18:16<Sqrt{not}>TemaRin, when I asked how did you boot it, I was wondering if the machine is booting in EFI mode, or BIOS mode, or {shudder} CSM mode?
18:17<th3_end>help??
18:17<TemaRin>Uefi
18:17<TemaRin>and with secure boot
18:18<TemaRin>Should i try with legacy instead?
18:18<TemaRin>and disable secure?
18:19<TemaRin>Sqrt{not}, or should uefi work?
18:19<jmcnaught>Debian works with UEFI and Secure Boot, but if you copied the Debian ISO to USB with rufus or unetbootin then it probably is not booting properly. Debian ISO images need to be copied directly to the device.
18:19<TemaRin>I made a new attempt now with dd mode on rufus
18:20<TemaRin>still the same issue
18:20<jmcnaught>Debian 10 or testing?
18:20<TemaRin>testing
18:21<TemaRin>As debian 10 seems to not work with my laptop.
18:21<TemaRin>Fedora works so i hoped bullseye might work too.
18:22<TemaRin>https://i.imgur.com/9b78WlP.png this is the issue i got earlier after installing debian 10
18:22<TemaRin>Fedora live cd worked however
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18:24<jmcnaught>TemaRin: what error do you get from testing?
18:26<TemaRin>I choose Debian Gnu/Linux Live (kernel 5.10.0-7-amd64)
18:26<TemaRin>i get unknown TPM error
18:26<TemaRin>i get unknown TPM error
18:26<TemaRin>You need to load the kernel first.
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18:32<th3_end>wow
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18:34<TemaRin>I'll just give up
18:34<TemaRin>thx guys
18:38<coc0nut>bNqwa4325
18:39<Sqrt{not}>*********
18:39<coc0nut>yay! nice to have 2 keyboards and several computers
18:39<coc0nut>writing on wrRRRrrrzzzong pc
18:40<coc0nut>delete log
18:41<coc0nut>do a rm -rf / evvyone
18:42<sussudio>are you trying to get banned, coc0nut
18:43<peb>no, he's joking because he typed his password in an irc channel
18:43<peb>there's nothing wrong to that
18:44<sussudio>yes there is.
18:44<peb>sure.
18:44<jmcnaught>TemaRin: "You need to load the kernel first" sounds like the live image was not copied correctly. Are you copying the Debian ISO images to USB on a Windows computer, or another Linux system?
18:45<coc0nut>sry, thx peb
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18:45<TemaRin>I used rufus on windows in DD mode
18:45<jmcnaught>!win32diskimager
18:45<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
18:46<TemaRin>Thanks i'll try that
18:46<peb>coc0nut: you're welcome
18:46<peb>remember to change your password :p
18:47<coc0nut>on it
18:47<peb>alright! cheers!
18:47<jmcnaught>TemaRin: win32diskimager is also what the Debian CD FAQ recommends for Windows: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
18:48<sussudio>rufus has not been reliable, in my experience. also, don't expect usb sticks to not corrupt your data when you just leave them in a drawer...
18:50<Sqrt{not}>I threw away a usb stick a few weeks ago, it gave me correct MD5SUM when I checked the boot image on it, but it only worked about 1 time out of 3. I tried a new USB stick, and it works perfectly every time.
18:51<sussudio>i only have 2 somewhat reliable usb sticks, and 1 must be about 15 years old by now, i got it from aldi. it's 8GB and double wide.
18:51<sussudio>kinda looks like a lighter, about the same size too.
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18:55<TemaRin>I need to buy a new usb stick soon anyways
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18:56<TemaRin>I've heard good things about samsung ones but
18:56<TemaRin>Using a kingston one today
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18:57<sussudio>the other reliable usb stick is a sandisk ultraflair (metal housing). the sandisks with plastic housing i have are utter garbage.
18:57<jmcnaught>TemaRin: I tested booting from USB with a weekly-live-build (standard) and it booted properly, I did not get an error like yours.
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18:58<TemaRin>jmcnaught, im making a new cd now
18:58<TemaRin>usb*
18:58<TemaRin>lets see if it works and i really hope bullseye works in this laptop
18:58<TemaRin>Really want to use debian on it.
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18:59<TemaRin>sussudio, "SanDisk USB 3.0 Ultra Flair 32GB" this one?
18:59<sussudio>mine is 16, but yes
18:59<TemaRin>256gb usb drives lmfao
18:59<TemaRin>why the hell would u want an usb drive thats 256gb
18:59<TemaRin>might as well buy an hdd then :P
19:00<sussudio>or an external ssd, they're not that expensive
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19:00<sussudio>the shit sandisk i have is a "cruzer edge"
19:01<sussudio>don't buy usb sticks off ebay, apparently there are a lot of fake ones out there.
19:01<TemaRin>I might buy this one as its only 4 euro.
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19:02<sussudio>the fake ones were also sold in stores like Action and Aldi/Lidl a while back.
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19:02<TemaRin>Who the f buys electronics from Lidl?
19:03<sussudio>had a partition that showed as 16GB, but was actually 8GB, if you copied any more to it, it got truncated
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19:03<sussudio>well, they used to sell good stuff at lidl, but they don't sell much of it anymore
19:03<sussudio>or really that much non-food at all
19:03<TemaRin>I had a friend who bought a 2tb hdd when he was in china
19:04<TemaRin>guess how that ended up :P
19:04<sussudio>was there a 128GB old laptop drive in there
19:04<TemaRin>I'm having the same issue btw and this time i used win32diskimager. Either this usb drive is fecked or there is some odd issue because of the hardware my laptop uses.
19:04<TemaRin>There was a 8gb usb drive in there lmfao
19:04<TemaRin>and some stones
19:05<sussudio>sounds like regular chinese business practices.
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19:06<Sqrt{not}>TemaRin, the paste you shared with PCI errors looked to me more like hardware problems than anything about the boot image. I wonder if something is not seated correctly or otherwise not making good contact in the machine's PCI world?
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19:06<TemaRin>Sqrt{not}, windows runs fine?
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19:07<Sqrt{not}>OK, have you tried ignoring the errors and seeing if linux runs OK?
19:07<TemaRin>I can't.
19:07<TemaRin>everything gets locked up
19:07<TemaRin>can't even login
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19:07<Sqrt{not}>are you booting windows from the USB stick?
19:08<TemaRin>wtf
19:08<TemaRin>it just booted the debian i had installed
19:08<TemaRin>it wouldnt before
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19:08<TemaRin>what is this magic?
19:08<Sqrt{not}>intermittend hardware problem?
19:09<Sqrt{not}>progress anyway :))
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19:09<TemaRin>Well dunno if i would call this progress if i can't trust this laptop lmfao
19:09<TemaRin>Granted i did open this fucker up 2 days ago.
19:10<TemaRin>but windows has been working fine and usually windows is much crankier then linux
19:11<sussudio>TemaRin: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2342796 this seems like a similar problem to yours
19:12<sussudio>you'd expect something like this to be fixed after 5 years
19:13<TemaRin>lemme see if i have that "dos mode" shit
19:13<sussudio>i know i don't in my laptop settings.
19:14<TemaRin>Perfect. I can now boot debian but i can't shut it down
19:14<TemaRin>LMFAO
19:14<sussudio>what's it saying
19:14<TemaRin>Nothing. everything dissapeared except the wallpaper
19:14<TemaRin>now its just sitting there
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19:14<sussudio>you can do a hard shutdown by holding down the powerbutton
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19:15<TemaRin>Is there a specific logfile for shutdown issues?
19:15<TemaRin>And now it won't start x server again
19:15<sussudio>i don't think so
19:16<TemaRin>Yeah this is not stable lol
19:16<TemaRin>i'll try arch or fedora
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19:23<TemaRin>I wonder if this issue could be because there was a missing firmwire for the wireless card.
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19:23<TemaRin>But that shouldnt cause this kind of issue i feel like.
19:23<TemaRin>I'll have to see if there is a bios update for the bios
19:23<sney>missing wifi firmware usually only causes missing wifi
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19:24<sney>efi upgrades are always a good idea, especially for machines that were only sold with windows
19:24<TemaRin>i wonder which devices is "8086:a110"
19:24<sney>judd: pciid 8086:a110
19:24<judd>[8086:a110] is '100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a110
19:24<sney>ignore the broken kmuto link, it's just part of your pci bus
19:25<TemaRin>Ok sounds like its the hdd?
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19:27<sney>no, errors citing that pci id would me more likely to be the motherboard. (or ram/power issues which can manifest any number of ways)
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19:27<TemaRin>Hope this laptop is not breaking lol
19:27<TemaRin>But im surprised windows works without any issues
19:28<sney>windows and linux have wildly different driver architecture, so sometimes a device will be broken in one OS and work fine in the other. at least, temporarily.
19:28<TemaRin>You make this sound like my poor laptop will eventually break on windows too :P
19:28<sussudio>or just fail/corrupt silently in windows
19:29<sney>it could. everything dies eventually. I'm just speculating generally though, I haven't read the whole scrollback
19:29<TemaRin>Well that would suck tbh
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19:30<TemaRin>Now im really curious which component it is. But it might be the motherboard just as you said.
19:30<TemaRin>The reason i opened it up 2 days ago was because the keyboard had not been working for several months. So i took everything apart, cleaned it up with alcohol and put everything together again
19:30<TemaRin>And the keyboard started working
19:30<TemaRin>And yes i did use ESD protection
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19:38<TemaRin>Wonder if the error could be because of optimus
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19:46<mentor>TemaRin: That one RxErr that was in the screenshot you posted severity=Corrected so it was not fatal.
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19:55<TemaRin>Well at least that sounds good :P
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19:55<TemaRin>but question is why it sometimes happens so i can't boot debian
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20:04<mentor>TemaRin: In the analogue screenshot you posted it also looks like it booted successfully; I didn't read the entire thread though.
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20:06<TemaRin>Yeah but xserver wouldnt launch and i could do nothing.
20:06<TemaRin>Sometimes x actually launches like it did this time
20:06<TemaRin>i checked dmesg i still have the same errors there
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20:06<TemaRin>but it actually booted
20:07<TemaRin>Everytime it actually boots into x systems seems to run fine. But shutdown does not work.
20:07<TemaRin>I honestly have no idea wtf is going on
20:07<mentor>TemaRin: Could you get back to the terminal?
20:08<TemaRin>Now when it actually booted and won't shutdown when im trying to shut the computer off?
20:08<TemaRin>or from when that screenshot happened?
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20:11<mentor>TemaRin: screenshot?
20:13<TemaRin>mentor, Bascially i got 2 issues. Sometimes it boots fine and launches x server and i can login and everything seems fine. However when i try to shut the computer off everything will vanish (taskbars etc) but the wallpaper will stay and the computer will never shutdown.
20:13<TemaRin>Other times i will get this https://i.imgur.com/e3O53f2.png
20:13<TemaRin>When this happens i can use the ctrl + alt + f keys to switch between sessions.
20:14<TemaRin>But the text will appear there too.
20:14<TemaRin>I cannot login. If i input my username it just jumps down 1 line and then if i try to input my password it justs shows it in plaintext and nothing happens.
20:16<TemaRin>Last boot i actually got into xfce and everything seemed fine. Tried to shut the system down nothing happened so i shut everything down with the power button. Now when i started the laptop again i get the text i screenshotted semi spamming the terminal.
20:16<TemaRin>No xfce, no graphical interface and i cannot login.
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20:18<TemaRin>https://i.imgur.com/TiI9oVq.jpg
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20:19<mentor>TemaRin: What does lspci -t say is on that port?
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20:19<TemaRin>lemme see if i can get it to actually boot
20:19<TemaRin>so i can check
20:20<TemaRin>seems it will boot every 2nd try lol
20:20<TemaRin>this is so odd
20:21<jonathon>TemaRin: are you sure this isn't a hardware issue?
20:21<TemaRin>Kinda hard for me to be sure about that.
20:21<TemaRin>I mean the laptop works fine under windows but that says nothing
20:22*dvs is reminded os OS/2
20:22<dvs>*of
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20:24<jonathon>TemaRin: have you looked at things like https://askubuntu.com/a/1104225 ?
20:24<TemaRin>sadly lspci -t just hangs up
20:26<TemaRin>jonathon, i can try that
20:26<mentor>Turning off ASPM might help
20:26<mentor>also
20:26<TemaRin>i find it odd however that lspci -t returns nothing
20:26<TemaRin>just sits there
20:27<jonathon>did you post your hardware yet?
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20:29<TemaRin>https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GV62-7RD/Specification
20:29<TemaRin>lemme see if i can get you something for detailed
20:32<jonathon>TemaRin: try `acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"` as a boot option
20:32*jonathon references the Arch wiki, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MSI_GS63VR
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20:37<TemaRin>https://i.imgur.com/FHwHHgw.png https://i.imgur.com/CasYFro.png
20:37<TemaRin>lemme try that
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20:42<TemaRin>jonathon, just so i don't feck anything up im supposed to add that in /etc/default/grub right?
20:42<jonathon>correct. or just add it to the boot line (i.e. after pressing e)
20:43<dvs>!bumblebee
20:43<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
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20:56<TemaRin>nice lspci -t now worked
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20:59<TemaRin>don't know how to read this tho. https://i.imgur.com/hRDGO1l.png
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21:01<jonathon>i don't know what you're currently trying to do :shrug:
21:02<TemaRin>Was trying to figure out what was at the pci port where all the errors are coming.
21:02<TemaRin>pci bridge intel corporation sunrise point-h pci express root port #1
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21:04<jonathon>what's wrong with `lspci` without the `-t` ?
21:05<jonathon>did you try noaer or nomsi from above?
21:08<TemaRin>Well with noaer and nomsi i got no more errors in dmesg
21:09<TemaRin>and the system actually shutdown
21:09<TemaRin>thanks a lot
21:09<TemaRin>guess it might not be an hardware error after all which makes me happy
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21:11<TemaRin>Much appriciated!
21:11<jonathon>;)
21:11<dvs>>:-(
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21:17<TemaRin>Now i can finally get to the fun part of getting wifi to work and installing nvidia drivers :D
21:17*dvs runs
21:17<TemaRin>HAHAHAHAHA
21:18<TemaRin>Don't worry i'll just handle it on my own. You guys have helped me much more then i could have hoped for.
21:18<TemaRin>I'll name my children after you :P
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21:28<rangergord[m]>Is there a Matrix channel/room/whatever for general Linux chat, not just Debian? Also, anything for general hardware chat?
21:29<rangergord[m]>sorry, wrong "room". I'm using Matrix, thought this was the Debian room, instead this is #debian on OFTC
21:29<sney>rangergord[m]: this is irc, you probably... yes
21:30<rangergord[m]>tbf they really should let you rename rooms. Having "#debian" and "debian" in the same list is confusing. And if I was to join #debian on multiple IRC networks that would get messy quick
21:31<sney>rangergord[m]: sorry, it's easy to tell the difference from an irc client. if anyone should change things to make differences more visible, it's the matrix bridge you're using
21:32<sarnold>maybe the matrix client you're using could be changed, too
21:32<rangergord[m]>Oh, I know, and I agree. I meant the official Matrix client (Element) should let the user do a local rename of any room
21:32<somiaj>I am fairly sure ##linux moved to libera
21:33<somiaj>there also use to be ##hardware, though unsure of its status, and I did hear third hand accounts it wasn't that useful.
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21:34<rangergord[m]>not gonna give them the satisfaction of moving to Libera after they sabotaged the Freenode channel
21:34<rangergord[m]>but let's not get into off-topic drama
21:35<sarnold>I also heard fourth and fifth-hand accounts that it was a waste of time, heh
21:35<rangergord[m]>I'm looking into Matrix now. I was previously only using it for IRC, now looking at proper Matrix rooms
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21:36<somiaj>What matters in the end is the community and the knowledge of those who use it, I do suggest OFTC for debian support, but if you want a more general IRC channel, ##linux has a large community.
21:37<rangergord[m]>thanks
21:37<sney>I'm sure there are native matrix rooms too, but you'd have to ask somewhere else for a directory
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21:42<rangergord[m]>are you kidding me? They're spamming OFTC too?
21:43<sney>yep, the whole time, any large channel
21:43<somiaj>that has nothing to do with libera, it is the same script/bots/bored people who have been spamming IRC for years
21:43<somiaj>even Libera gets that spam
21:45<somiaj>They update their message with whatever they think is the most devisive at that time, just like any disinformation campaign
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21:45<sney>the libera snafu is what made them target us, but yeah there's a whole community that's been doing it for decades
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21:51<somiaj>well it made them change their message, they have been targeting every large IRC network for years
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22:37<gdb>rangergord[m]: And slashnet. :-/
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23:01<N0NB>As a licensed radio amateur, it's not welcome that they're spamming supposedly on behalf of ham radio.
23:02<sney>particularly since it's not on behalf of ham radio, they just want angry spam recipients to swarm #hamradio and demand they stop
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23:03<N0NB>I'm still a novice at IRC, what benefit is that?
23:03<sney>the spammers are a third party with no involvement in either debian or ham radio. the goal of the spam is to make the two channels fight each other.
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23:04<sney>the very definition of griefing
23:04<somiaj>It is devisive and causes anger among pople for no reason than to cause anger
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23:06<N0NB>I think kindergarten had more maturity! Thanks for the info.
23:06<sney>np
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23:09<somiaj>N0NB: note, #debian tries to be open to the public, and people can join this channel and ask questions without registering with OFTC or creating an account. The side effect of this is we get hit with spambots. OFTC network staff is really good at k-line the bots as soon as they speak.
23:10<somiaj>N0NB: the alternative is to made this channel +r and require all users to regiester, we choose to put up with the spam in order to allow more freedom for users to not have to register (not all channels do this)
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