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| 02:30 | <euler123x> | hi! |
| 02:30 | <node1> | Hello |
| 02:30 | <euler123x> | wow, sorry first time using irc! |
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| 02:47 | <wyre> | is rsyslog enabled by default in Debian? |
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| 03:13 | <ratrace> | wyre: Buster yes. Bullseye dispensed with it in favor of persistent journald, but only if you install it new. It doesn't do that on upgrade. |
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| 03:52 | <Anarka> | wow good to know, syslog in bullseye isnt default !? |
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| 03:54 | <Anarka> | ahh it is.. |
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| 03:55 | <Anarka> | meh... "This should not interfere with any existing traditional logging daemon such as rsyslog, but users who are not relying on special features of such a daemon may wish to uninstall it and switch over to using only the journal. " or not :p |
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| 04:06 | <ratrace> | so with bullseye, pango's font rendering is using harfbuzz instead of cairo and now font kerning and other features have gone to hell... as someone who spends vast majority of computing time in front of walls of text via terminals, and source code, this is quite an impact, having upgraded my main workstation to bullseye. sure, not debian's fault, every distro using pango 1.44+ is affected and the only |
| 04:07 | <ratrace> | alternative is what ... freeze to old, unpatched pango versions? |
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| 04:07 | <ratrace> | bug #956612 |
| 04:07 | <judd> | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/956612 in libpango-1.0-0 (forwarded, upstream): «libpango-1.0-0: broken kerning since 1.44»; severity: important; opened: 2020-04-13; last modified: 2020-06-26. |
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| 05:11 | <jm_> | last comment in that bug is depressing to read :) |
| 05:12 | <ratrace> | typical FOSS tho :) |
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| 05:46 | <jelly> | wait pango, I need that for hexchat |
| 05:46 | <Unit193> | Time to switch clients! |
| 05:47 | <jelly> | > same solution used on debian 10 servers applies for proxmox 6 |
| 05:47 | <jelly> | oops |
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| 05:48 | <jelly> | > in 1.44 they dropped support for full horizontal hinting |
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| 05:48 | <jelly> | that is the main thing I need from any app to read anything, with my myopic eyes and brain |
| 05:48 | <ratrace> | the text in my $TERM is awful now! my codes! my eyes! |
| 05:49 | <Whitemoor> | I know Zoom is outside Debian proper, but for an unknown reason its performance is totally to pot on this computer though it works OK on my partner's. Is there any troubleshooting information available for it? |
| 05:49 | <jelly> | characters with blurry edges = broken autofocus = instant headache |
| 05:50 | <ratrace> | jelly: the new behaviour is supposed to actually fix _that_ at the expense of spacing, if I understand this correctly |
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| 05:51 | <Whitemoor> | It becomes unresponsive soon after starting, or if not, just plain refuses to complete joining a meeting |
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| 05:51 | <ratrace> | in my case at least, the glyphs are tighter, more condensed, less readable |
| 05:51 | <ratrace> | and W (big w) is cut off on the left side |
| 05:52 | <ratrace> | Whitemoor: and what's that, a flatpak? snap? web based? |
| 05:52 | <jelly> | I need clear horizontal alignment, and clear vertical edges if possible |
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| 05:52 | <Whitemoor> | ratrace: Their .deb for Debian |
| 05:52 | <ratrace> | I'll have to get used to it, but this W will kill my OCD |
| 05:53 | <ratrace> | Whitemoor: well, such third party software is not really supported here. But you could check the usual suspects. is it consuming CPU? is there a lot of IO? |
| 05:53 | <kwami> | Hi guys, need to set up a non auth required share in samba |
| 05:54 | <kwami> | what is missing in smb.conf https://pastebin.com/e40UhtC2 |
| 05:54 | <Whitemoor> | Doesn't appear to be |
| 05:55 | <jelly> | ratrace, I guess I'll live with hexchat and pango from debian 10 |
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| 05:55 | <ratrace> | jelly: for how long :) |
| 05:56 | <jelly> | until the next laptop that will have hidpi, 2024 maybe |
| 05:56 | <ratrace> | Whitemoor: so then maybe it's possible it's missing proper library linkage and doesn't do any GPU acceleration. Is that nvidia where performance is shot? |
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| 05:57 | <ratrace> | jelly: so bookworm! :) |
| 05:58 | <jelly> | I'm writing this on bionic anyway, the debian workstations are hundreds of km away |
| 05:58 | <Whitemoor> | It's *totally* shot. For a start it pulls up google-chrome which it doesn't on my partner's, and I can't at present get it past the Join/Login screen anyway |
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| 05:58 | <ratrace> | Whitemoor: welp, you should really contact the developer for that. |
| 05:59 | <Whitemoor> | Not NVidia, Intel. Not sure there is anyone I can contact |
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| 05:59 | <ratrace> | Whitemoor: do you otherwise have the GPU set up properly? firmware installed? |
| 06:00 | <ratrace> | firmware-misc-nonfree I believe, for intel |
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| 06:00 | <Whitemoor> | Yes, besides I would put my shirt on this NOT being GPU related |
| 06:01 | <ratrace> | I think you'd be surprised how much modern web things and rendering depends on gpu. but of course, it's possible it's something else |
| 06:01 | <ratrace> | jelly: are you VNC-ing or x2go'ing to the workstations? or whats the story? |
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| 06:02 | <Whitemoor> | It's not really rendering anything (or really trying to) when it goes useless |
| 06:02 | <ratrace> | jelly: I ask beacuse I want to migrate my computing to the servers, and use Remina or maybe x2go for remote interfacing, so I become very cloudy and airborne... |
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| 06:16 | <ratrace> | oh goodie! my new gaming amdgpu arrived! here begins the Week of Fighting With AMD Firmware and Kernel Versions! |
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| 06:30 | <sca> | ratrace, tell me about it ... |
| 06:31 | <Whitemoor> | Interesting... have installed the nonfree and realtek firmware backports for a major improvement. |
| 06:31 | <sca> | never got amdgpu latest driver running with debian, currently running in Ubuntu 21.04 with wierd glitches in firefox from .deb |
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| 06:36 | <jelly> | ratrace, only ssh. rdp to the necessary windows vm, only |
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| 06:41 | <Whitemoor> | The realtek firmware made at least the bulk of the difference |
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| 07:11 | <ratrace> | This is the last time I'm buying AMD anything. I've been personal computing since 1980s, from commodores, ataris and vast variety of Intel PCs, I've never ever had this many issues. |
| 07:11 | * | tarzeau is happy with arm64 |
| 07:11 | <tarzeau> | it's not like intel is way better then amd, is it? |
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| 07:11 | <tarzeau> | the whole x86 platform is cursed, carrying old cruft called IBM standard |
| 07:12 | <ratrace> | In quality of products, it actually very much is |
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| 07:12 | <tarzeau> | i've got a bunch of amd cpus, they work like horses. i can't say intel is less problematic than amd |
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| 08:32 | <wyre> | is `ro` a default parameter in the kernel's command line? |
| 08:33 | <wyre> | I mean, has this buster by default? |
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| 08:56 | <Guest1146> | Hiya Folks |
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| 09:23 | <bremner> | best to just ignore the trolls as long as they are autokilled |
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| 09:28 | <wyre> | why Debian mount at first the root filesystem as read only? (I can see there is `ro` parameter in the kernel's command line at /boot/grub/grub.cfg) |
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| 09:30 | <TheBigK> | wyre: i would assume thats related to some safety concerns. it remounts rw if the filesystem is checked to be clean? thats my guess |
| 09:31 | <TheBigK> | wyre: does it bother u ? |
| 09:32 | <wyre> | TheBigK, well, I'd like to know when is remounting it as rw 🤔 |
| 09:32 | <BCMM> | wyre: just about every distro does that. it's the responsibility of the init system to remount it rw at some point |
| 09:32 | <BCMM> | generally after fsck |
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| 09:32 | <wyre> | BCMM, in Arch it's rw by default in the kernel's cmdline |
| 09:32 | <ratrace> | you need a fstab entry to remount as rw |
| 09:32 | <BCMM> | arch is a weird distro, to be honest |
| 09:33 | <BCMM> | i mean, in terms of doing stuff that breaks conventions for absolutely no reason |
| 09:33 | <bremner> | wyre: is there some concrete problem you are trying to solve? |
| 09:34 | <JimBob> | hi, gibts auch einen deutschen debian chat? |
| 09:34 | <BCMM> | also, how does arch handle checking filesystem health? |
| 09:34 | <bremner> | !de |
| 09:34 | <dpkg> | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org |
| 09:34 | <bremner> | JimBob: ^ |
| 09:35 | <JimBob> | danke bremner den hab ich eben nicht in der liste gesehen |
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| 09:36 | <JimBob> | this channel ist secret*g* |
| 09:36 | <bremner> | danke spammers |
| 09:36 | <wyre> | bremner, well, I'm working on a project where I need to preserve the internal storage device against abrupt power losses, and I'm planing to use overlayfs to mount / |
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| 09:38 | <BCMM> | wyre: doesn't that make ro the opposite of a problem? |
| 09:39 | <BCMM> | oh, you want to disable whatever part of debian makes it rw later, right? |
| 09:39 | <wyre> | BCMM, yes, that's the idea |
| 09:40 | <wyre> | I was researching how this raspberry pi os script does https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L2416 |
| 09:40 | <wyre> | but apparently things in Debian are a little different |
| 09:41 | <wyre> | because I have not /boot/cmdline.txt to set the kernel parameters |
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| 09:41 | <imMute> | wyre: the boot process on the Pi is unlike most other systems. |
| 09:42 | <wyre> | imMute, so I cannot take advantage of that script? |
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| 09:42 | <imMute> | on something other than a Pi? most likely no. |
| 09:42 | <wyre> | imMute, well, my idea was to adapt the script for a plain debian system |
| 09:42 | <BCMM> | wyre: sorry, to clarify: are you using a raspberry pi? |
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| 09:43 | <wyre> | BCMM, no, my system is a Debian x86_64 but I'd like to develop some similar script to that one to toggle the overlayfs in the root fs |
| 09:44 | <BCMM> | wyre: ok. cmdline.txt is a raspberry pi thing. |
| 09:44 | <BCMM> | it is read by either the firmware or the weird bootloader (i don't fully understand how they fit together on the pi) |
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| 09:44 | <BCMM> | the equivalent on a typical desktop would be to use grub's configuration to set the kernel command line |
| 09:44 | <wyre> | yes, I guess so |
| 09:45 | <wyre> | BCMM, exactly that's my whole point |
| 09:45 | <BCMM> | well, my point is that this isn't a raspberry pi OS vs debian thing |
| 09:45 | <wyre> | I could do a similar script to modify /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub and mount the root fs as overlayfs in the next boot |
| 09:45 | <BCMM> | it's a property of the actual pi hardware |
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| 09:47 | <wyre> | so then how do you see my objective? I mean, do you think it's possible? |
| 09:48 | <wyre> | or even useful? |
| 09:48 | <BCMM> | wyre: anyway, not sure if the wiki is outdated, what with systemd having happened, but it says that you can just use fstab to keep root ro |
| 09:48 | <wyre> | BCMM, the point of doing this is that I wouldn't be able to write in the system at runtime |
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| 09:49 | <wyre> | and some programs like systemd apparently need that (fake-writable fs, I mean) |
| 09:49 | <wyre> | if you mount whole / as ro and you have folders like /run under that mountpoint ... you will run in troubles |
| 09:50 | <wyre> | I mean the system is going to get in trobule |
| 09:50 | <BCMM> | so you want / itself to be an overlayfs, right |
| 09:50 | <tizef> | bremner, yes, thanks |
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| 09:50 | <koollman> | wyre: if /run is its own mountpoint (and a tmpfs) it still works |
| 09:50 | <BCMM> | i've seen quite a few solutions that claim to do that, but i'm not sure i got to the bottom of which ones are, like, currently maintained |
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| 09:51 | <BCMM> | i seem to recall various options that expected a different initramfs system that debian uses, or an old equivalent to overlayfs or something... |
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| 09:52 | <BCMM> | let me see if i can find what i was reading before |
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| 09:52 | <wyre> | koollman, well, I've tried to do it manually (by mounting the folders in fstab) and I didn't get the very same result than you get when use overlayfs |
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| 09:53 | <wyre> | in fact when you use overlayfs you are able to have a single mount point for the whole root fs instead having separate partitions for every folder in the FHS |
| 09:54 | <wyre> | the point is that I've tried this on RPi, because they have this raspi-config script which does this pretty simple https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config |
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| 09:57 | <wyre> | in fact I've been checking this other alternative https://github.com/ghollingworth/overlayfs much more simple, but it's also RPi specific 😞 |
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| 10:39 | <JimBob> | !help |
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| 10:52 | <Sqrt{not}> | JimBob, what kind of help would you like ? |
| 10:52 | <JimBob> | no special |
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| 11:24 | <spawacz> | is there any utility that generates safe passwords or ones with given specification (like 20 in size, with special character, with at least 1 uppercase etc)? |
| 11:24 | <spawacz> | i checked gpg and openssl and it's not built in |
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| 11:24 | <imMute> | spawacz: I use KeePass to generate (and store) passwords. |
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| 11:27 | <Linux-Fan> | spawacz: Does pwgen suit your use? https://packages.debian.org/buster/pwgen |
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| 11:30 | <grove> | I use `pwgen` to generate passwords |
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| 11:37 | <a7s> | Hello. I'm having trouble configuring apache 2.4 on Debian 10. From my googlefu, it seems to be a debian-specific issue. |
| 11:37 | <a7s> | Is this the right place to ask about this? |
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| 11:38 | <imMute> | a7s: yes, you can ask here. |
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| 11:59 | <jhujhiti> | i'm looking for something to sync a few small files between two nearby machines. the machines will be in an active-passive setup and i simply want the passive machine to have an updated copy of the files. the files aren't critical, bordering on mild inconvenience if they get lost. what should i be looking at? drbd seems awfully heavy for this. rsync is too hacky... |
| 11:59 | <bremner> | what's hacky about rsync? |
| 12:00 | <gdb> | You've already eliminated the correct solution. ;-) |
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| 12:00 | <gdb> | (rsync) |
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| 12:00 | <bremner> | I'm not trying to pick a fight, just want to know what you are looking for that rsync does not provide |
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| 12:01 | <jhujhiti> | fair question. my thinking is that i want an event-based sync, like inotify or something at the filesystem level |
| 12:02 | <bandali> | perhaps you could pipe entr and rsync together |
| 12:03 | <jhujhiti> | ssh auth for this just feels crappy too since the other applications are using multicast to discover each other |
| 12:03 | <colo> | jhujhiti, maybe https://github.com/LINBIT/csync2 (using librsync behind the curtain) |
| 12:04 | <jhujhiti> | colo: funny, same people behind drbd! |
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| 12:05 | <jhujhiti> | colo: this looks interesting, will read more about it. thanks |
| 12:05 | <colo> | yw |
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| 12:08 | <jhujhiti> | bandali: thanks for the tip on entr as well |
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| 12:16 | <a7s> | I'm having trouble with mod_remoteip. I have some sites that are behind a load balancer (haproxy) that is using send-proxy directive, and some that are not. It seems I can only get one or the other working. |
| 12:16 | <a7s> | I've tried adding the "RemoteIPProxyProtocol On" directive to only those sites which are behind the load balancer, but that prevents other (non-load-balanced) sites from working. If I try adding "RemoteIPProxyProtocol Off" to those vhosts, then the ones which are behind a load balancer stop working. |
| 12:17 | <a7s> | From what I could find on Google (not much, and not recent), some have hinted that this may be an issue with Debian's implementation (as opposed to CentOS which apparently does not have the same issue) |
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| 12:29 | <kushagra[m|gr]> | ／!\ ТΗІЅ ⲤHΑNNΕL ᎻᎪS ᎷOᏙΕᗪ TO IRᏟ.ᒪΙBEᎡА.CዘΑT ﹟НAMᏒAᎠΙΟ ／!﹨ |
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| 12:37 | <bandali> | jhujhiti, cheers :-) |
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| 12:41 | <Sqrt{not}> | did #httpd move from fleenode to the new place? |
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| 12:42 | <Unit193> | It moved to Libera, yes. |
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| 12:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | !apache |
| 12:43 | <dpkg> | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.libera.chat. |
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| 13:05 | <cristian_> | hi |
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| 13:36 | <redbrass> | THere seems to be something wrong with my debian build environment. If I run "debuild -uc -us -b" in my project's directory, the $DESTDIR variable is not automatically set. |
| 13:37 | <redbrass> | Anyone familiar with building deb packages have any tips/or suggestions on this problem? Google has not been especially useful yet... |
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| 13:37 | <bremner> | ##packaging is dedicated to that topic |
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| 13:47 | <redbrass> | bremner: lol.. thanks. I'm in that channel already for reprepro stuff. Thought this would be OT there... I'll see what they have to say. |
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| 14:01 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I think that Debian need a new team |
| 14:06 | <bremner> | that's a bit hard to take seriously from someone with no known contributions to the project. |
| 14:06 | <somiaj> | What do you mean? |
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| 14:15 | <imMute> | yeah, what does "a new team" mean?? |
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| 14:25 | <jonas1> | what does Debian mean? |
| 14:25 | <jonas1> | what do "you" mean |
| 14:26 | <zleap> | hi |
| 14:27 | <zleap> | Debian is named after it's creator Ian and Debbie Murdock DebIan |
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| 14:29 | <jonas1> | zleap: thanks - and sorry that I forgot a smiley: I knew that already, was just trying to be funny |
| 14:30 | <zleap> | ah ok no problem |
| 14:30 | <jonas1> | (it was tied to a few remarks monets before you logged into the channel) |
| 14:30 | <jonas1> | moments* |
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| 14:33 | <zleap> | :) |
| 14:35 | <jonas1> | yes, like that - except I prefer nose on my smileys :-) |
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| 15:20 | <ratrace> | OMG! I just hacked an amdgpu+firwmare support for navi 22 on bullseye! |
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| 15:23 | <ratrace> | yeah but the amount of glitches is astonishing ....... |
| 15:24 | <ratrace> | use open source, they said. give nvidia the finger, they said. use AMD they said....... |
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| 15:38 | <rangergord[m]> | ratrace: so AMD GPUs suck on Linux? Go either Intel or Nvidia? |
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| 15:39 | <somiaj> | depends on what you mean by suck, amd gpus have the best open support (with nonfree firmware) and work fairly decently (provided you don't have bleeding edge in debian) |
| 15:39 | <jmcnaught> | AMD GPUs work great on Linux generally, but this particular model was only released a few months ago. |
| 15:40 | <somiaj> | nvidia's closed source driver still proivdes in most cases better preformance for gaming or intensive 3d apps, which has terrible support, so if your card works, ti works good, but if it doesn't there isnt' much you can do except wait for nvidia to care (which they often don't) |
| 15:41 | <somiaj> | though amdgpu has bridged a lot of that gap, it isn't nearly as bad as it use to be. |
| 15:42 | <cc> | nvidia has recently introduced native GPU switching functionality to their driver |
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| 15:43 | <cc> | that was the last important missing piece (in xorg world anyway) |
| 15:44 | <somiaj> | ahh yea, I just avoided optimus hardware, so never ran into those issues |
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| 15:58 | <scorpion2185[m]> | bremner: somiaj imMute Debian Root Team to support root (remove root check etc.) |
| 15:58 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Like Puppy devs that created a normal user in the home of root for doing things without elevated privileges. |
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| 15:59 | <imMute> | scorpion2185[m]: are you the guy who is trying to add another root-but-not-root to the kernel? |
| 15:59 | <scorpion2185[m]> | yes |
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| 15:59 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Another root with different uid and name |
| 16:00 | <imMute> | nope. not gonna touch that. you need to setup sudo and drop this. it's pointless and very few (if any) people are going to help you |
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| 16:04 | <TemaRin> | Just installed latest debian on my laptop that already had windows installed on it. |
| 16:04 | <TemaRin> | But for some reason it does not seem to have installed grub? |
| 16:05 | <TemaRin> | Did not even ask me the usual question where it asks if one wants to install on mbr bla bla bla |
| 16:05 | <TemaRin> | This has never happened to me before |
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| 16:09 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: did you replace Windows or install Debian in some free space? Which OS starts when you boot the computer? UEFI computers do not get GRUB installed in a MBR anymore, it gets installed to the EFI System Partition (ESP) |
| 16:10 | <TemaRin> | On bios i got uefi with CSM active. |
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| 16:10 | <TemaRin> | I installed windows and linux on the same ssd disk on 2 different partitions |
| 16:10 | <TemaRin> | Windows starts when the computer boots |
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| 16:11 | <jmcnaught> | Can you select Debian from the boot options in the firmware? |
| 16:12 | <TemaRin> | Nope. |
| 16:12 | <TemaRin> | On only cd/dvd |
| 16:12 | <TemaRin> | usb |
| 16:12 | <TemaRin> | and then windows boot manager |
| 16:13 | <TemaRin> | no mention of debian |
| 16:14 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: You installed Debian after Windows? |
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| 16:16 | <TemaRin> | Yeap |
| 16:18 | <jmcnaught> | If you have a Debian installer image on CD or USB (such as the netinst image) then you can boot it into rescue mode (under advanced in the boot menu). This rescue mode has the ability to reinstall GRUB. |
| 16:19 | <alex11> | is there a way to list only .deb you manually installed? |
| 16:19 | <alex11> | as in i guess third party |
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| 16:22 | <TemaRin> | let me try |
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| 16:23 | <jmcnaught> | alex11: are you on buster or bullseye? Bullseye brings new search patterns to apt (man apt-patterns), otherwise on buster aptitude will be most helpful. "aptitude search ~o" searches for packages not available for download. "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" searches for packages not from Debian. |
| 16:23 | <alex11> | buster |
| 16:23 | <alex11> | thanks |
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| 16:27 | <TemaRin> | I choose the rescue mode but it just began asking me stuff like language, domain name etc. |
| 16:27 | <TemaRin> | Now its saying enter a device you wish to use as your root |
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| 16:28 | <TemaRin> | ahh think i found the menu |
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| 16:28 | <TemaRin> | still didnt work. |
| 16:29 | <TemaRin> | This is odd. Maybe i should try changing bios to uefi only and reinstall windows and then debian again? |
| 16:29 | <TemaRin> | Thinking maybe the csm mode is fecking something up |
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| 16:30 | <alex11> | actually i guess that'd be in the release notes, come to think of it |
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| 16:49 | <TemaRin> | I'm reinstalling now, thinking maybe something went wrong last time |
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| 17:00 | <TemaRin> | jmcnaught, so rescue did not work so i decided to reinstall debian. Changed bios to UEFI instead of UEFI with CSM. Just finished installing the base system and it now says "Installation is complete, so it is time to boot into your new system". |
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| 17:01 | <TemaRin> | At this stage im used to from previous installations on my desktop that instead a grub menu is loaded saying It already detected windows installed yada yada |
| 17:01 | <TemaRin> | And where to install grub. |
| 17:01 | <TemaRin> | Its very odd that this never comes up |
| 17:03 | <TemaRin> | I setup 3 partitions. 1 swap, 1 ext4 and put the mount point to /home and another ext4 with the mount point / |
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| 17:07 | <TemaRin> | Ok think i got it to work. |
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| 17:08 | <TemaRin> | Well grub seems to work now at least but when booting debian xfce never started and just got to the console. Then everything became stuck once i tried to login through bash/console |
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| 17:15 | <TemaRin> | So i finally got it to boot and now i get this instead. https://i.imgur.com/qWxmzc4.png |
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| 17:16 | <plaur> | TemaRin: maybe it doesn't recognize your video card correctly. it could be you need a non-free firmware package, or it's not supported by the relatively-old debian buster (if you installed stable) |
| 17:17 | <plaur> | or your mainboard, seeing those pcie errors |
| 17:18 | <plaur> | did you try a fedora live cd to see if that works? they normally have the latest kernels and graphics libraries, if that doesn't work, it doesn't look good for debian, either |
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| 17:19 | <TemaRin> | I'll try fedora see if that helps |
| 17:19 | <plaur> | https://getfedora.org - i guess a debian testing live cd would also be interesting, to see if your hardware works, but i couldn't find any. |
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| 17:20 | <TemaRin> | Would suck if it turns out my laptop is useless for linux |
| 17:22 | <jmcnaught> | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 17:22 | <jonathon> | wdebianw: no :P |
| 17:23 | <TemaRin> | wow fedora even has its own usb creation tool lol |
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| 17:23 | <alex11> | fedora?! in my #debian??? blasphemy |
| 17:23 | <TemaRin> | Hey not my fault debian is not working lol |
| 17:24 | <TemaRin> | I use debian on my workstation if that makes you feel better :D |
| 17:24 | <dvs> | !lart TemaRin |
| 17:24 | * | dpkg pours hot grits down the front of TemaRin's pants |
| 17:24 | <TemaRin> | https://i.imgur.com/qWxmzc4.png |
| 17:24 | <TemaRin> | if you can fix this issue i would be happy to burn the fedoria live usb lol |
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| 17:25 | <plaur> | alex11: a friend's brand-new vivobook wouldn't even boot with debian stable or ubuntu (1-2 years ago, buster was relatively new), while fedora worked out of the box. if you have new hardware, fedora works pretty well (until you get caught by some of the upstream bugs) |
| 17:25 | <alex11> | i'm just teasing |
| 17:26 | <plaur> | :) |
| 17:26 | <TemaRin> | I wonder if arch would work |
| 17:26 | <TemaRin> | if fedora works |
| 17:26 | <TemaRin> | dunno what i should think about fedora as i've never used it before |
| 17:26 | * | dvs is currently downloading Knoppix 9.1 |
| 17:26 | <TemaRin> | This laptop is from 2016. Its an MSI Gaming laptop |
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| 17:27 | <alex11> | i've never run into "too new hardware; won't boot" issues but i think if i did i might try to set it up with the backported kernel |
| 17:27 | <TemaRin> | USUALLY msi is good at using generic shit |
| 17:27 | <TemaRin> | which USUALLY works well with linux |
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| 17:27 | <peace3> | bzed, May I please have your advice? After upgrading gmic and friends, the entry for G'MIC-Qt in GIMP's Filters menu is grayed out, and broken. Console errors are at |
| 17:27 | <TemaRin> | Worst case i'll sell this one to some windows lover and try and get myself a new one that works with linux. |
| 17:27 | <plaur> | gaming laptop, probably nvidia graphics, maybe optimus |
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| 17:28 | <peace3> | bzed, https://paste.debian.net/1200343/ |
| 17:28 | <peace3> | bzed, Can you explain how to fix it? |
| 17:28 | <plaur> | TemaRin: you're probably missing firmware if it's from 2016 |
| 17:28 | <TemaRin> | Yeap its nvidia 1050 |
| 17:28 | <TemaRin> | lemme check if it uses optimus |
| 17:29 | <TemaRin> | If i can even find that info |
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| 17:30 | <plaur> | installing firmware-misc-nonfree might help for nvidia cards (with nouveau) |
| 17:31 | <TemaRin> | plaur problem is i can't even login.... |
| 17:31 | <TemaRin> | everything hangs up |
| 17:31 | <TemaRin> | Hard to install anything then |
| 17:31 | <TemaRin> | and i think the laptop uses optimus but i thought that was kinda fixed for linux |
| 17:31 | <TemaRin> | I remember there were a lot of issues when it first came out |
| 17:31 | <sussudio> | "airdata security" in germany. not very secure, if you're infested by spambots... |
| 17:32 | <plaur> | oh. then try the testing live cd from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ or fedora, maybe you have more luck |
| 17:33 | <TemaRin> | Well im happy if fedora works then at least i have linux but would have prefered my fav distro debian. |
| 17:33 | <TemaRin> | Worst case i'll see if arch works as i'm at least familiar with arch compared to fedora |
| 17:34 | <plaur> | maybe bullseye would work as well, who knows |
| 17:34 | <TemaRin> | The dream |
| 17:34 | <TemaRin> | is there a live cd for bullseye? |
| 17:35 | <plaur> | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ i guess? |
| 17:36 | <TemaRin> | wooohooooo |
| 17:36 | <TemaRin> | fedora works |
| 17:36 | <coc0nut> | I dont look forward to debian upgrading gnome to 40 :o |
| 17:37 | <TemaRin> | I'll test that plaur hopefully it works |
| 17:37 | <TemaRin> | otherwise i'll have to go with fedora or arch |
| 17:39 | <plaur> | coc0nut: it looks elegant, but using the mouse to the upper-left corner, than going all the way down to the icon bar, sucks. |
| 17:39 | <coc0nut> | they removed dash to dock in 40 |
| 17:39 | * | plaur runs xfce |
| 17:40 | <coc0nut> | just testing fedora right now. dont like it... Dont like gnome40 either. |
| 17:40 | <coc0nut> | even extensions settings is gone from gnomw-tweaks |
| 17:40 | <plaur> | surprising they still found things to remove in gnome... |
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| 17:40 | <coc0nut> | less more dont they say? they ruined it pretty hard |
| 17:41 | <coc0nut> | less is more* |
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| 17:42 | <plaur> | "gnome ain't done until it looks like twm, manual window placement and nothing else - nothingness is beautiful!" |
| 17:44 | <coc0nut> | gnome3 is perfect! |
| 17:44 | <coc0nut> | might head over to kde or xfce |
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| 17:45 | <plaur> | mate is also quite nice. kde is more featureful on modern hardware, though |
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| 17:46 | <coc0nut> | Im so in love with my laptop with debian 10 and gnome3... please dont move to gnome40 in bullseye :P |
| 17:47 | <N47HZ> | Evening everyone |
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| 17:48 | <th3_end> | hi guys i need some help. |
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| 17:49 | <th3_end> | i am currently running a Ubuntu using a livecd and i already setup persistence but now i would like to move it to my hdd does anyone know how to do that?? |
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| 17:51 | <coc0nut> | th3_end, i dont think livecd is writing anything to disk, so its just temporary. youll have to do it again after installing... |
| 17:52 | <th3_end> | what i mean is i would like to transfer my current persistence mode to hdd |
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| 17:52 | <th3_end> | instead of running it from a usb as i am running out of space |
| 17:53 | <th3_end> | coc0nut: what i mean is i would like to transfer my current persistence mode to hdd. instead of running it from a usb as i am running out of space |
| 17:53 | <coc0nut> | aha, clone it to a hdd? like cloning two disks |
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| 17:53 | <th3_end> | ok heres the thing my usb is split into two partitions |
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| 17:54 | <th3_end> | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type |
| 17:54 | <th3_end> | /dev/sdb1 * 2048 13254601 13252554 6.3G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 17:54 | <th3_end> | /dev/sdb2 13254602 30031816 16777215 8G 83 Linux |
| 17:55 | <coc0nut> | I think you should clone it, and then resize the partition and eventually delete the other or whatever you want to do with it |
| 17:55 | <th3_end> | how do i do that? |
| 17:55 | <th3_end> | be advices i only have 1 working usb port and no disk drive |
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| 17:56 | <th3_end> | Device Start End Sectors Size Type |
| 17:56 | <th3_end> | /dev/sda1 2048 1058815 1056768 516M EFI System |
| 17:56 | <th3_end> | /dev/sda2 1060296 426684415 425624120 203G Apple TV recovery |
| 17:56 | <th3_end> | /dev/sda3 426684416 612042751 185358336 88.4G EFI System |
| 17:56 | <th3_end> | /dev/sda4 612042752 625141759 13099008 6.2G Linux swap |
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| 17:56 | <alex11> | lol |
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| 17:56 | <TemaRin> | plaur, any idea why i get the message " unknown TPM error. "You need to load the kernel first" with the live cd? |
| 17:56 | <ratrace> | terrible |
| 17:56 | <petn-randall> | th3_end: Please use a paste site: |
| 17:57 | <ratrace> | !tell th3_end about pastebin |
| 17:57 | <TemaRin> | Should i take this as debian bascially won't work on this laptop? |
| 17:57 | <petn-randall> | !paste |
| 17:57 | <th3_end> | ok i understand |
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| 18:00 | <th3_end> | ratrace: yea i'm doing that as we speak |
| 18:00 | <th3_end> | sorry i'm beign such a noob |
| 18:01 | <th3_end> | https://pastebin.com/qxVNstaf |
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| 18:05 | <Sqrt{not}> | TemaRin, how did you make your live cd? how did you boot it? |
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| 18:06 | <th3_end> | made it in windows using unetbootin or rufus cant remember been using it for 3 months now |
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| 18:06 | <Sqrt{not}> | !unetbootin |
| 18:06 | <dpkg> | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:06 | <Sqrt{not}> | !rufus |
| 18:06 | <dpkg> | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 18:07 | <Sqrt{not}> | th3_end, [my question was addressed to TemaRin ] |
| 18:07 | <TemaRin> | Sqrt{not}, made it with rufus. Plugged it into the usb slot :P |
| 18:07 | <Sqrt{not}> | TemaRin, did you use rufus's DD mode? |
| 18:07 | <TemaRin> | Nope |
| 18:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | go back and do it again, and use DD |
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| 18:08 | <TemaRin> | Yes sir! |
| 18:08 | <TemaRin> | Damn my suffering never ends |
| 18:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | you'll be much happier |
| 18:08 | <TemaRin> | hope this laptop actually boots with bulleye |
| 18:08 | <TemaRin> | then i'll be happy |
| 18:08 | <TemaRin> | otherwise im doomed to use fedora |
| 18:09 | <TemaRin> | or spend 50 hours installing arch and hope that works |
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| 18:10 | <ratrace> | could be worse, 159 hours InstallingGentoo(tm) :) |
| 18:10 | <TemaRin> | lmfao |
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| 18:11 | <TemaRin> | Ahhh there is something called Archie which is supposed to be an archlinux live cd |
| 18:11 | <TemaRin> | Guess i could try that first |
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| 18:16 | <Sqrt{not}> | TemaRin, when I asked how did you boot it, I was wondering if the machine is booting in EFI mode, or BIOS mode, or {shudder} CSM mode? |
| 18:17 | <th3_end> | help?? |
| 18:17 | <TemaRin> | Uefi |
| 18:17 | <TemaRin> | and with secure boot |
| 18:18 | <TemaRin> | Should i try with legacy instead? |
| 18:18 | <TemaRin> | and disable secure? |
| 18:19 | <TemaRin> | Sqrt{not}, or should uefi work? |
| 18:19 | <jmcnaught> | Debian works with UEFI and Secure Boot, but if you copied the Debian ISO to USB with rufus or unetbootin then it probably is not booting properly. Debian ISO images need to be copied directly to the device. |
| 18:19 | <TemaRin> | I made a new attempt now with dd mode on rufus |
| 18:20 | <TemaRin> | still the same issue |
| 18:20 | <jmcnaught> | Debian 10 or testing? |
| 18:20 | <TemaRin> | testing |
| 18:21 | <TemaRin> | As debian 10 seems to not work with my laptop. |
| 18:21 | <TemaRin> | Fedora works so i hoped bullseye might work too. |
| 18:22 | <TemaRin> | https://i.imgur.com/9b78WlP.png this is the issue i got earlier after installing debian 10 |
| 18:22 | <TemaRin> | Fedora live cd worked however |
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| 18:24 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: what error do you get from testing? |
| 18:26 | <TemaRin> | I choose Debian Gnu/Linux Live (kernel 5.10.0-7-amd64) |
| 18:26 | <TemaRin> | i get unknown TPM error |
| 18:26 | <TemaRin> | i get unknown TPM error |
| 18:26 | <TemaRin> | You need to load the kernel first. |
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| 18:32 | <th3_end> | wow |
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| 18:34 | <TemaRin> | I'll just give up |
| 18:34 | <TemaRin> | thx guys |
| 18:38 | <coc0nut> | bNqwa4325 |
| 18:39 | <Sqrt{not}> | ********* |
| 18:39 | <coc0nut> | yay! nice to have 2 keyboards and several computers |
| 18:39 | <coc0nut> | writing on wrRRRrrrzzzong pc |
| 18:40 | <coc0nut> | delete log |
| 18:41 | <coc0nut> | do a rm -rf / evvyone |
| 18:42 | <sussudio> | are you trying to get banned, coc0nut |
| 18:43 | <peb> | no, he's joking because he typed his password in an irc channel |
| 18:43 | <peb> | there's nothing wrong to that |
| 18:44 | <sussudio> | yes there is. |
| 18:44 | <peb> | sure. |
| 18:44 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: "You need to load the kernel first" sounds like the live image was not copied correctly. Are you copying the Debian ISO images to USB on a Windows computer, or another Linux system? |
| 18:45 | <coc0nut> | sry, thx peb |
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| 18:45 | <TemaRin> | I used rufus on windows in DD mode |
| 18:45 | <jmcnaught> | !win32diskimager |
| 18:45 | <dpkg> | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 18:46 | <TemaRin> | Thanks i'll try that |
| 18:46 | <peb> | coc0nut: you're welcome |
| 18:46 | <peb> | remember to change your password :p |
| 18:47 | <coc0nut> | on it |
| 18:47 | <peb> | alright! cheers! |
| 18:47 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: win32diskimager is also what the Debian CD FAQ recommends for Windows: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 18:48 | <sussudio> | rufus has not been reliable, in my experience. also, don't expect usb sticks to not corrupt your data when you just leave them in a drawer... |
| 18:50 | <Sqrt{not}> | I threw away a usb stick a few weeks ago, it gave me correct MD5SUM when I checked the boot image on it, but it only worked about 1 time out of 3. I tried a new USB stick, and it works perfectly every time. |
| 18:51 | <sussudio> | i only have 2 somewhat reliable usb sticks, and 1 must be about 15 years old by now, i got it from aldi. it's 8GB and double wide. |
| 18:51 | <sussudio> | kinda looks like a lighter, about the same size too. |
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| 18:55 | <TemaRin> | I need to buy a new usb stick soon anyways |
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| 18:56 | <TemaRin> | I've heard good things about samsung ones but |
| 18:56 | <TemaRin> | Using a kingston one today |
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| 18:57 | <sussudio> | the other reliable usb stick is a sandisk ultraflair (metal housing). the sandisks with plastic housing i have are utter garbage. |
| 18:57 | <jmcnaught> | TemaRin: I tested booting from USB with a weekly-live-build (standard) and it booted properly, I did not get an error like yours. |
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| 18:58 | <TemaRin> | jmcnaught, im making a new cd now |
| 18:58 | <TemaRin> | usb* |
| 18:58 | <TemaRin> | lets see if it works and i really hope bullseye works in this laptop |
| 18:58 | <TemaRin> | Really want to use debian on it. |
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| 18:59 | <TemaRin> | sussudio, "SanDisk USB 3.0 Ultra Flair 32GB" this one? |
| 18:59 | <sussudio> | mine is 16, but yes |
| 18:59 | <TemaRin> | 256gb usb drives lmfao |
| 18:59 | <TemaRin> | why the hell would u want an usb drive thats 256gb |
| 18:59 | <TemaRin> | might as well buy an hdd then :P |
| 19:00 | <sussudio> | or an external ssd, they're not that expensive |
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| 19:00 | <sussudio> | the shit sandisk i have is a "cruzer edge" |
| 19:01 | <sussudio> | don't buy usb sticks off ebay, apparently there are a lot of fake ones out there. |
| 19:01 | <TemaRin> | I might buy this one as its only 4 euro. |
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| 19:02 | <sussudio> | the fake ones were also sold in stores like Action and Aldi/Lidl a while back. |
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| 19:02 | <TemaRin> | Who the f buys electronics from Lidl? |
| 19:03 | <sussudio> | had a partition that showed as 16GB, but was actually 8GB, if you copied any more to it, it got truncated |
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| 19:03 | <sussudio> | well, they used to sell good stuff at lidl, but they don't sell much of it anymore |
| 19:03 | <sussudio> | or really that much non-food at all |
| 19:03 | <TemaRin> | I had a friend who bought a 2tb hdd when he was in china |
| 19:04 | <TemaRin> | guess how that ended up :P |
| 19:04 | <sussudio> | was there a 128GB old laptop drive in there |
| 19:04 | <TemaRin> | I'm having the same issue btw and this time i used win32diskimager. Either this usb drive is fecked or there is some odd issue because of the hardware my laptop uses. |
| 19:04 | <TemaRin> | There was a 8gb usb drive in there lmfao |
| 19:04 | <TemaRin> | and some stones |
| 19:05 | <sussudio> | sounds like regular chinese business practices. |
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| 19:06 | <Sqrt{not}> | TemaRin, the paste you shared with PCI errors looked to me more like hardware problems than anything about the boot image. I wonder if something is not seated correctly or otherwise not making good contact in the machine's PCI world? |
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| 19:06 | <TemaRin> | Sqrt{not}, windows runs fine? |
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| 19:07 | <Sqrt{not}> | OK, have you tried ignoring the errors and seeing if linux runs OK? |
| 19:07 | <TemaRin> | I can't. |
| 19:07 | <TemaRin> | everything gets locked up |
| 19:07 | <TemaRin> | can't even login |
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| 19:07 | <Sqrt{not}> | are you booting windows from the USB stick? |
| 19:08 | <TemaRin> | wtf |
| 19:08 | <TemaRin> | it just booted the debian i had installed |
| 19:08 | <TemaRin> | it wouldnt before |
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| 19:08 | <TemaRin> | what is this magic? |
| 19:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | intermittend hardware problem? |
| 19:09 | <Sqrt{not}> | progress anyway :)) |
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| 19:09 | <TemaRin> | Well dunno if i would call this progress if i can't trust this laptop lmfao |
| 19:09 | <TemaRin> | Granted i did open this fucker up 2 days ago. |
| 19:10 | <TemaRin> | but windows has been working fine and usually windows is much crankier then linux |
| 19:11 | <sussudio> | TemaRin: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2342796 this seems like a similar problem to yours |
| 19:12 | <sussudio> | you'd expect something like this to be fixed after 5 years |
| 19:13 | <TemaRin> | lemme see if i have that "dos mode" shit |
| 19:13 | <sussudio> | i know i don't in my laptop settings. |
| 19:14 | <TemaRin> | Perfect. I can now boot debian but i can't shut it down |
| 19:14 | <TemaRin> | LMFAO |
| 19:14 | <sussudio> | what's it saying |
| 19:14 | <TemaRin> | Nothing. everything dissapeared except the wallpaper |
| 19:14 | <TemaRin> | now its just sitting there |
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| 19:14 | <sussudio> | you can do a hard shutdown by holding down the powerbutton |
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| 19:15 | <TemaRin> | Is there a specific logfile for shutdown issues? |
| 19:15 | <TemaRin> | And now it won't start x server again |
| 19:15 | <sussudio> | i don't think so |
| 19:16 | <TemaRin> | Yeah this is not stable lol |
| 19:16 | <TemaRin> | i'll try arch or fedora |
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| 19:23 | <TemaRin> | I wonder if this issue could be because there was a missing firmwire for the wireless card. |
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| 19:23 | <TemaRin> | But that shouldnt cause this kind of issue i feel like. |
| 19:23 | <TemaRin> | I'll have to see if there is a bios update for the bios |
| 19:23 | <sney> | missing wifi firmware usually only causes missing wifi |
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| 19:24 | <sney> | efi upgrades are always a good idea, especially for machines that were only sold with windows |
| 19:24 | <TemaRin> | i wonder which devices is "8086:a110" |
| 19:24 | <sney> | judd: pciid 8086:a110 |
| 19:24 | <judd> | [8086:a110] is '100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a110 |
| 19:24 | <sney> | ignore the broken kmuto link, it's just part of your pci bus |
| 19:25 | <TemaRin> | Ok sounds like its the hdd? |
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| 19:27 | <sney> | no, errors citing that pci id would me more likely to be the motherboard. (or ram/power issues which can manifest any number of ways) |
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| 19:27 | <TemaRin> | Hope this laptop is not breaking lol |
| 19:27 | <TemaRin> | But im surprised windows works without any issues |
| 19:28 | <sney> | windows and linux have wildly different driver architecture, so sometimes a device will be broken in one OS and work fine in the other. at least, temporarily. |
| 19:28 | <TemaRin> | You make this sound like my poor laptop will eventually break on windows too :P |
| 19:28 | <sussudio> | or just fail/corrupt silently in windows |
| 19:29 | <sney> | it could. everything dies eventually. I'm just speculating generally though, I haven't read the whole scrollback |
| 19:29 | <TemaRin> | Well that would suck tbh |
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| 19:30 | <TemaRin> | Now im really curious which component it is. But it might be the motherboard just as you said. |
| 19:30 | <TemaRin> | The reason i opened it up 2 days ago was because the keyboard had not been working for several months. So i took everything apart, cleaned it up with alcohol and put everything together again |
| 19:30 | <TemaRin> | And the keyboard started working |
| 19:30 | <TemaRin> | And yes i did use ESD protection |
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| 19:38 | <TemaRin> | Wonder if the error could be because of optimus |
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| 19:46 | <mentor> | TemaRin: That one RxErr that was in the screenshot you posted severity=Corrected so it was not fatal. |
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| 19:55 | <TemaRin> | Well at least that sounds good :P |
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| 19:55 | <TemaRin> | but question is why it sometimes happens so i can't boot debian |
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| 20:04 | <mentor> | TemaRin: In the analogue screenshot you posted it also looks like it booted successfully; I didn't read the entire thread though. |
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| 20:06 | <TemaRin> | Yeah but xserver wouldnt launch and i could do nothing. |
| 20:06 | <TemaRin> | Sometimes x actually launches like it did this time |
| 20:06 | <TemaRin> | i checked dmesg i still have the same errors there |
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| 20:06 | <TemaRin> | but it actually booted |
| 20:07 | <TemaRin> | Everytime it actually boots into x systems seems to run fine. But shutdown does not work. |
| 20:07 | <TemaRin> | I honestly have no idea wtf is going on |
| 20:07 | <mentor> | TemaRin: Could you get back to the terminal? |
| 20:08 | <TemaRin> | Now when it actually booted and won't shutdown when im trying to shut the computer off? |
| 20:08 | <TemaRin> | or from when that screenshot happened? |
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| 20:11 | <mentor> | TemaRin: screenshot? |
| 20:13 | <TemaRin> | mentor, Bascially i got 2 issues. Sometimes it boots fine and launches x server and i can login and everything seems fine. However when i try to shut the computer off everything will vanish (taskbars etc) but the wallpaper will stay and the computer will never shutdown. |
| 20:13 | <TemaRin> | Other times i will get this https://i.imgur.com/e3O53f2.png |
| 20:13 | <TemaRin> | When this happens i can use the ctrl + alt + f keys to switch between sessions. |
| 20:14 | <TemaRin> | But the text will appear there too. |
| 20:14 | <TemaRin> | I cannot login. If i input my username it just jumps down 1 line and then if i try to input my password it justs shows it in plaintext and nothing happens. |
| 20:16 | <TemaRin> | Last boot i actually got into xfce and everything seemed fine. Tried to shut the system down nothing happened so i shut everything down with the power button. Now when i started the laptop again i get the text i screenshotted semi spamming the terminal. |
| 20:16 | <TemaRin> | No xfce, no graphical interface and i cannot login. |
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| 20:18 | <TemaRin> | https://i.imgur.com/TiI9oVq.jpg |
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| 20:19 | <mentor> | TemaRin: What does lspci -t say is on that port? |
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| 20:19 | <TemaRin> | lemme see if i can get it to actually boot |
| 20:19 | <TemaRin> | so i can check |
| 20:20 | <TemaRin> | seems it will boot every 2nd try lol |
| 20:20 | <TemaRin> | this is so odd |
| 20:21 | <jonathon> | TemaRin: are you sure this isn't a hardware issue? |
| 20:21 | <TemaRin> | Kinda hard for me to be sure about that. |
| 20:21 | <TemaRin> | I mean the laptop works fine under windows but that says nothing |
| 20:22 | * | dvs is reminded os OS/2 |
| 20:22 | <dvs> | *of |
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| 20:24 | <jonathon> | TemaRin: have you looked at things like https://askubuntu.com/a/1104225 ? |
| 20:24 | <TemaRin> | sadly lspci -t just hangs up |
| 20:26 | <TemaRin> | jonathon, i can try that |
| 20:26 | <mentor> | Turning off ASPM might help |
| 20:26 | <mentor> | also |
| 20:26 | <TemaRin> | i find it odd however that lspci -t returns nothing |
| 20:26 | <TemaRin> | just sits there |
| 20:27 | <jonathon> | did you post your hardware yet? |
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| 20:29 | <TemaRin> | https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GV62-7RD/Specification |
| 20:29 | <TemaRin> | lemme see if i can get you something for detailed |
| 20:32 | <jonathon> | TemaRin: try `acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"` as a boot option |
| 20:32 | * | jonathon references the Arch wiki, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MSI_GS63VR |
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| 20:37 | <TemaRin> | https://i.imgur.com/FHwHHgw.png https://i.imgur.com/CasYFro.png |
| 20:37 | <TemaRin> | lemme try that |
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| 20:42 | <TemaRin> | jonathon, just so i don't feck anything up im supposed to add that in /etc/default/grub right? |
| 20:42 | <jonathon> | correct. or just add it to the boot line (i.e. after pressing e) |
| 20:43 | <dvs> | !bumblebee |
| 20:43 | <dpkg> | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:56 | <TemaRin> | nice lspci -t now worked |
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| 20:59 | <TemaRin> | don't know how to read this tho. https://i.imgur.com/hRDGO1l.png |
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| 21:01 | <jonathon> | i don't know what you're currently trying to do :shrug: |
| 21:02 | <TemaRin> | Was trying to figure out what was at the pci port where all the errors are coming. |
| 21:02 | <TemaRin> | pci bridge intel corporation sunrise point-h pci express root port #1 |
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| 21:04 | <jonathon> | what's wrong with `lspci` without the `-t` ? |
| 21:05 | <jonathon> | did you try noaer or nomsi from above? |
| 21:08 | <TemaRin> | Well with noaer and nomsi i got no more errors in dmesg |
| 21:09 | <TemaRin> | and the system actually shutdown |
| 21:09 | <TemaRin> | thanks a lot |
| 21:09 | <TemaRin> | guess it might not be an hardware error after all which makes me happy |
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| 21:11 | <TemaRin> | Much appriciated! |
| 21:11 | <jonathon> | ;) |
| 21:11 | <dvs> | >:-( |
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| 21:17 | <TemaRin> | Now i can finally get to the fun part of getting wifi to work and installing nvidia drivers :D |
| 21:17 | * | dvs runs |
| 21:17 | <TemaRin> | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:18 | <TemaRin> | Don't worry i'll just handle it on my own. You guys have helped me much more then i could have hoped for. |
| 21:18 | <TemaRin> | I'll name my children after you :P |
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| 21:28 | <rangergord[m]> | Is there a Matrix channel/room/whatever for general Linux chat, not just Debian? Also, anything for general hardware chat? |
| 21:29 | <rangergord[m]> | sorry, wrong "room". I'm using Matrix, thought this was the Debian room, instead this is #debian on OFTC |
| 21:29 | <sney> | rangergord[m]: this is irc, you probably... yes |
| 21:30 | <rangergord[m]> | tbf they really should let you rename rooms. Having "#debian" and "debian" in the same list is confusing. And if I was to join #debian on multiple IRC networks that would get messy quick |
| 21:31 | <sney> | rangergord[m]: sorry, it's easy to tell the difference from an irc client. if anyone should change things to make differences more visible, it's the matrix bridge you're using |
| 21:32 | <sarnold> | maybe the matrix client you're using could be changed, too |
| 21:32 | <rangergord[m]> | Oh, I know, and I agree. I meant the official Matrix client (Element) should let the user do a local rename of any room |
| 21:32 | <somiaj> | I am fairly sure ##linux moved to libera |
| 21:33 | <somiaj> | there also use to be ##hardware, though unsure of its status, and I did hear third hand accounts it wasn't that useful. |
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| 21:34 | <rangergord[m]> | not gonna give them the satisfaction of moving to Libera after they sabotaged the Freenode channel |
| 21:34 | <rangergord[m]> | but let's not get into off-topic drama |
| 21:35 | <sarnold> | I also heard fourth and fifth-hand accounts that it was a waste of time, heh |
| 21:35 | <rangergord[m]> | I'm looking into Matrix now. I was previously only using it for IRC, now looking at proper Matrix rooms |
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| 21:36 | <somiaj> | What matters in the end is the community and the knowledge of those who use it, I do suggest OFTC for debian support, but if you want a more general IRC channel, ##linux has a large community. |
| 21:37 | <rangergord[m]> | thanks |
| 21:37 | <sney> | I'm sure there are native matrix rooms too, but you'd have to ask somewhere else for a directory |
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| 21:42 | <rangergord[m]> | are you kidding me? They're spamming OFTC too? |
| 21:43 | <sney> | yep, the whole time, any large channel |
| 21:43 | <somiaj> | that has nothing to do with libera, it is the same script/bots/bored people who have been spamming IRC for years |
| 21:43 | <somiaj> | even Libera gets that spam |
| 21:45 | <somiaj> | They update their message with whatever they think is the most devisive at that time, just like any disinformation campaign |
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| 21:45 | <sney> | the libera snafu is what made them target us, but yeah there's a whole community that's been doing it for decades |
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| 21:51 | <somiaj> | well it made them change their message, they have been targeting every large IRC network for years |
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| 22:37 | <gdb> | rangergord[m]: And slashnet. :-/ |
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| 23:01 | <N0NB> | As a licensed radio amateur, it's not welcome that they're spamming supposedly on behalf of ham radio. |
| 23:02 | <sney> | particularly since it's not on behalf of ham radio, they just want angry spam recipients to swarm #hamradio and demand they stop |
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| 23:03 | <N0NB> | I'm still a novice at IRC, what benefit is that? |
| 23:03 | <sney> | the spammers are a third party with no involvement in either debian or ham radio. the goal of the spam is to make the two channels fight each other. |
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| 23:04 | <sney> | the very definition of griefing |
| 23:04 | <somiaj> | It is devisive and causes anger among pople for no reason than to cause anger |
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| 23:06 | <N0NB> | I think kindergarten had more maturity! Thanks for the info. |
| 23:06 | <sney> | np |
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| 23:09 | <somiaj> | N0NB: note, #debian tries to be open to the public, and people can join this channel and ask questions without registering with OFTC or creating an account. The side effect of this is we get hit with spambots. OFTC network staff is really good at k-line the bots as soon as they speak. |
| 23:10 | <somiaj> | N0NB: the alternative is to made this channel +r and require all users to regiester, we choose to put up with the spam in order to allow more freedom for users to not have to register (not all channels do this) |
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