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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-08

---Logopened Tue Jun 08 00:00:19 2021
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00:01-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:01-!-gavin is "Gavin Lai" on @#twcatchup #debian
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00:22-!-fmneto is "Francisco M Neto" on #debian-devel-br #debian #debian-devel-changes #debian-next #debian-br
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00:50-!-Gerowen is "realname" on #debian-offtopic #debian
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00:52-!-MTecknology is "Michael Lustfield" on #debian @#nginx #linode #debian-offtopic
00:52<MTecknology>!multiarch
00:52<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
00:52-!-Ericounet [~Eric@2a01:e0a:d0:3c20:7e21:5a38:7972:234e] has joined #debian
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00:56-!-mikkel is "mikkel" on #virt #qemu #mobian #postmarketos #debian-kde #debian
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00:59-!-LuKaRo_ is "LuKaRo" on #debian #debian-pdx #debian-next #openstreetmap #debian-soc
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01:17-!-secntech is "tp" on #tor-project #suckless #redditprivacy #Qubes_OS #privacytech #freedombox #debian #cryptoparty
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01:20<td>good morning
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01:26-!-ivanbu2 is "ivanbu" on #virt #tor #qemu #debian #debian-nginx #debian-java #s6 #osm-fi
01:26<ivanbu2>/﹗\ ТHIЅ ϹHАNⲚΕL HAS MⲞᏙᎬᎠ ΤO IRC․ᏞΙBΕᏒА.CHᎪT #ዘAMRΑDΙO /!\
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01:31-!-erle- is "Stephan" on #debian-next @#antitux #debian
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01:53-!-moroni is "moroni" on #virt #tor #qemu #debian #debian-devel-changes #debian-br #https-everywhere
01:53<moroni>⁄ǃ\ ΤዘIᏚ CHAΝΝЕL HАᏚ MOVEᎠ ΤΟ ΙRϹ․LΙBERᎪ.CᕼᎪТ #HAMRAᎠIО /ⵑ\
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02:15<will0w>why does apt-cache search '^bind' return results that don't start with 'bind' ?
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02:31<Anarka>will0w: --names-only
02:32<Anarka>apt-cache default search descriptions
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02:35-!-mambang is "Don't Be Pussy, Dies Out Curiosity" on #debian #debian-rant #debian-malaysia
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03:47<Scorpion>Again I can't use revolt same error
03:49<ratrace>!sicco
03:49<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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03:51<Scorpion>WHen I open revolt on Deb 10 it can't connect, does somebody know why?
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03:52<ratrace>Scorpion: what is revolt? the package?
03:52<ratrace>,i revolt
03:52<judd>Package revolt (net, optional) in buster/amd64: better desktop integration for Riot.im. Version: 0.0+git20180813.6b10d57-1; Size: 43.6k; Installed: 162k; Homepage: https://github.com/aperezdc/revolt
03:52<Scorpion>Yes matrix client
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03:52<ratrace>oh huh, on bullseye apt shows "better desktop integration for Element"
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03:54<Scorpion>Again it doesn't start is riot.im down maybe?
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03:55<ratrace>Scorpion: can you start it from the command line and see if it spills out any error messages?
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03:59<Scorpion>No error but on reovlt I can see "The URL can’t be shown" after clicking "riot setting". It automatically shows something like "can't connect to riot.im" if there is no internet
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04:01<ratrace>Scorpion: can you otherwise `ping -c 2 riot.im` from the command line? does it "2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss" ?
04:03<Scorpion>yes 0% packet loss
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04:04<wyre>how could I remove the color codes in rsyslog?
04:04<somiaj>wyre: I didn't think it had color codes, what are you using to read the log file.
04:05<wyre>somiaj, cat
04:05<somiaj>wyre: so just 'cat /var/log/syslog'?
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04:05<wyre>somiaj, if I do that I can see the color codes like "[2021-06-08 10:01:07] #033[1;31mERROR#033[0m[502]:"
04:06<somiaj>wyre: what service is outputting that error?
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04:07<somiaj>A lot of systemd output gets reidirected to syslog, it might be the actual service that includes the error codes. So what service is outputing that error (or can you tell?)
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04:14<somiaj>anyawys, you could use sed or other tools to find/replace those codes, but I would track down the service that is putting them there and try to fix that
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04:17<Scorpion>,i element
04:17<judd>No package named 'element' was found in buster/amd64.
04:18*Otter drags enyc underwater
04:19<enyc>judd: hrrm thats' a nice puzzle, like signal preferring their own repos on something being constantly changed at moment.............
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04:31<jonas1>Scorpion: which version of revolt do you use?
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04:33<jonas1>it seems the version in stable is pretty old, and since the application is essentially a slight fork of the web app "element-web" and both that and the server protocol has had much changes over the past years, I would not be surprised if the release in buster is broken
04:33<Scorpion>jonas1: (0.0+git20180813.6b10d57-1)
04:34<jonas1>yeah - that's the version in Debian stable :-/
04:34<Scorpion>,v revolt
04:34<judd>Package: revolt on amd64 -- buster: 0.0+git20180813.6b10d57-1; bullseye: 0.0+git20200723.0aca6c8-1; sid: 0.0+git20200723.0aca6c8-1
04:36<jonas1>that old version apparently (according to your error message) tries to connect to https://riot.im/ which nowadays redirect to https://element.io/
04:36<jonas1>Scorpion: please file a bugreport
04:36<jonas1>https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
04:38<Scorpion>it started having this problem, after it was working and now again can't connect
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04:38<Scorpion>I will fill a bug later
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04:39<Scorpion>Other matrix client doesn't work very well. No encryption no account option can't search rooms etc.
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04:40<Scorpion>At least the ones that I tried
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04:42<jonas1>Matrix has evolved fast in the past few years - I would not expect any decently working matrix client in Debian stable - maybe some are backported, but most work will arrive in bullseye
04:43<jonas1>here is an overview: https://wiki.debian.org/Matrix
04:44<jonas1>oh - that list doesn't include the one I use (and maintain) - will fix that now...
04:44<Scorpion>what is that one?
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04:46<jonas1>I use mirage
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04:47<Scorpion>,i mirage
04:47<judd>Package mirage (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: fast and simple GTK+ image viewer. Version: 0.9.5.2-1; Size: 99.4k; Installed: 473k; Homepage: http://mirageiv.sourceforge.net; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mirage
04:47<Scorpion>Image viewer?
04:47<jonas1>package matrix-mirage
04:47<jonas1>,i matrix-mirage
04:47<judd>No package named 'matrix-mirage' was found in buster/amd64.
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04:48<jonas1>yeah - as with most clients, it is not in buster
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04:53<Scorpion>revolt tries `https://riot.im/app` and I can change it. IF I set ` https://element.io/` it opens the Element webpage
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04:54<Scorpion> https://element.io/app "Not found"
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04:58<jonas1>https://wiki.debian.org/Matrix now updated to indicate which clients are available in stable
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05:09<jonas1>Scorpion: if acceptable to you to use backports.debian.org (see https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for introduction and setup, and https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/ for how to report bugs and other details) then you can try use nheko which should support E2EE since release 0.7
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05:12<Scorpion>revolt is now working (default URL). nheko can't search rooms and no user options besides E2EE in stable
05:14<jonas1>seems revolt now needs URL https://app.element.io/ according to https://github.com/aperezdc/revolt/issues/106
05:14<ratrace>I wish debian would package ReVolt! tho :) bestest racing game evar
05:16<jonas1>ratrace: please file an RFP: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
05:16<Walex>ratrace: difficult to say "best", but it was quite fun!
05:18<Scorpion>Debian stable revolt works with default URL with that opens element web page. Maybe there is no need to fill a bug . I will see if it works
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05:19<ratrace>jonas1: not DFSG compliant. I'm still hoping it might come to Steam, as a number of old games saw resurrection on steam, like Blood! but.... offtopic...
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05:25<jonas1>ratrace: even if not DFSG-compliant, if it is legally to distribute there might be someone interested in packaging it for non-free
05:25<jonas1>...and that work might help identify how far from properly free it is, which might encourage someone to fix the missing pieces to fully free it
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05:26<Scorpion>can someone make gnome dash a standalone dock for all DE? with dash to dock and other extensions
05:27<jonas1>ratrace: I ecourage you to file an RFP to track the state of affairs - e.g. the actual license and URL for downloading the source, etc.
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05:28<jonas1>ratrace: ...and if you do file an RFP, I suggest that you Bug-CC the Games team to raise awareness: https://wiki.debian.org/Games/Team
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05:52<jonas1>https://wiki.debian.org/Matrix now lists major client features
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05:55<Scorpion2185>before weechat there is a ?
05:56<Scorpion2185>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=982985 nice app! CAn someone package it?
05:56<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/982985 in wnpp (open): «RFP: multi-timer -- App to set multiple timers sequentially.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2021-02-17; last modified: 2021-02-17.
05:56<bremner>yes, that is what an RFP bug means, "could someone please package this"
05:57<Scorpion2185>thanks! will you package it?
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05:58<bremner>short answer: no
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05:58<ratrace>long answer: Nope. ? :)
05:59<bremner>long answer, that's not how it works. You _might_ get a better response if you find an appropriate team.
06:00<Yoda-BZH>Hello, I'm having http 503 errors (by varnish) on deb.debian.org, I suppose you're already aware ? Is there a specific channel to discuss this ?
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06:00<Yoda-BZH>deb.d.o and security.d.o
06:01<bremner>Yoda-BZH: can confirm. Hopefully just a temporary thing.
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06:02<bremner>apparently the CDN (fastly) is having troubles
06:02<Yoda-BZH>ow, it's fastly, ok
06:02<bremner>so I read in a different channel. People are having trouble with e.g. reddit also
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06:12<Scorpion2185>what is the right team?
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06:15<stmuk>anyone know of a debian apt repo which doesn't use fastly? :)
06:15<bremner>sure. ftp.*.debian.org
06:15<bremner>i.e. the main mirrors
06:16<Scorpion2185>bremner: do you know what is the right team?
06:16<bremner>Scorpion2185: if I knew I would have said so before.
06:16<jonas1>Scorpion2185: please do not stalk people
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06:17<Scorpion2185>sry, thanks.
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06:17<bremner>Scorpion2185: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams
06:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 971] by debhelper
06:18<Scorpion2185>on the matrix wiki there is a "?" before weechat in the features list.
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06:19<Scorpion2185>IF I use edit I can't see it
06:21<jonas1>Scorpion2185: not sure what you are talking about - probably helps if you provide a URL
06:23<Scorpion2185>the wiki that you edited
06:23<jonas1>ah
06:24<jonas1>thanks - corrected now
06:24<oschraml>short question, is there any maintanence going on on the debian apt repos? I see on 3 different clients with different networks the error "503 Service Unavailable" using the urls ftp.debian.org and deb.debian.org
06:24<jonas1>...crediting you in the changelog, Scorpion2185 :-)
06:24<ratrace>oschraml: Fastly CDN is down
06:25<oschraml>ratrace: thanks for infomation
06:25<stmuk>http://ftp.COUNTRY.debian.org works (but not https for the uk)
06:25<mambang>you may use https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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06:33<ratrace>half the damned internet is down when SIGNLE company has a hiccup..... this is totally unacceptable and debian should distance itself from this
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06:34<jonas1>s/internet/web/
06:35<stmuk>debian has lots of mirrors and survives outages better than many
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06:38<petn-randall>ratrace: Sounds like you just volunteered for the Debian admin team?
06:38<ratrace>petn-randall: sure, why not.
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06:40<themill>as soon as there's a src:linux CVE you'll understand why a CDN is desired.
06:41<ratrace>oh? how so?
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06:46<petn-randall>Or libreoffice.
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06:52<ratrace>so, why is that?
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06:53<petn-randall>ratrace: Because you then have a huge amount of machines pulling large packages, meaning that your traffic spikes at 100+ times the average.
06:54<ratrace>and mirrors don't exist in that world?
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06:55<petn-randall>ratrace: What do you think that a CDN is if not a mirror?
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06:55<ratrace>it's a single point of failure, a mirror of ONE, for all intents and purposes, QED
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06:57<bremner>meanwhile, fastly seems to be back
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06:57<petn-randall>ratrace: You are aware that said mirrors still exist? http://ftp.<country code>.debian.org
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07:00<ratrace>petn-randall: yeah but they're not default, and they're not encouranged in apt sources.list
07:00<bremner>[citation needed]
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07:00<ratrace>!sources.list
07:00<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
07:00<bremner>well, yeah, but see the debian installer
07:01<bremner>which actually does point people towards specific mirrors
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07:01<ratrace>it's one option among several, yes.
07:01<themill>so you'd recommend that debian tries to build its own CDN that can deal with these things on donated hardware and bandwidth while burning volunteer time, rather than accept the donation of a existing CDN?
07:01<petn-randall>ratrace: Feel free to offer solutions to the network team when you've understood what problems they've faced and why they've implemented things like that in the first place.
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07:02<petn-randall>ratrace: FYI, normal baremetal mirrors have failed in the past, too.
07:02<ratrace>was there anycast support before the CDN?
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07:03<petn-randall>anycast support where? On the internet?
07:03<ratrace>I'm just miffed that one company does a bad config commit and halfa net is down
07:03<ratrace>debian infra, gentoo infra, reddit, various wikis, ....
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07:03<ratrace>petn-randall: anycast support for a centralized domain like deb.debian.org
07:04<ratrace>I think before Fastly came into the picture, Debian had either anycast, or a redirector
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07:06<grawity>tbh even though CDN failures have greater impact, I feel like they're also much rarer, and with fewer cases of "okay it's not /quite/ down but the service kinda sucks"
07:06<grawity>I don't mean to defend Debian, but rather,
07:06<petn-randall>ratrace: ... those things still exist. See my previous answer.
07:06<grawity>I mostly use Arch and they have neither a CDN *nor* a redirector, just a flat list of mirrors -- and the experience with picking individual mirrors isn't the greatest
07:06<jonathon>httpredir.debian.org was a thing
07:07<themill>and it itself was a single point of failure that caused problems
07:08<ratrace>well dns anycast is a thing, so you no longer have a spof .... but maybe I'm confusing debian with freebsd, about who has (had) such a setup
07:08<grawity>e.g. two different mirrors close to me (provided by seemingly competent organizations) work *great* until they stop working every now and then, the one from Leaseweb claims to serve HTTPS but does so at like 1 Mbps only, some of them suddenly stop getting updates because oops -ENOSPC, etc.
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07:10<grawity>at work, we use the Debian mirror run by our own ISP just a few ms away -- except it sometimes crashes mid-sync and I can't apt update for a few hours
07:10<grawity>so it's one massive failure vs a hundred paper cuts
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07:20<stmuk>stackoverflow doesn't work - now that is serious :)
07:21<Daniel>due to - https://status.fastly.com/
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07:26<ratrace>.... miffed, I say ....
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07:51<wyre>what's the most proper way to clean rsyslog files?
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07:52<jonas1>wyre: logrotate
07:52<wyre>jonas1, but I mean manually
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07:53<ratrace>still logrotate as it has the mechanism to signal the daemon to recycle FDs, so you can rm the unused files
07:53<wyre>ratrace, FDs?
07:54<ratrace>open file descriptors/handlers
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07:55<ratrace>like, you don't want to remove files that are actively being written to, without signalling the daemon to start logging into a new file.
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07:56<ratrace>there's a whole dance to it. rename current file (FDs still open and written into), signal teh daemon to reopen, the daemon gracefully finishes writing into (renamed) file, and opens it again, under original name, but new one.
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08:03<jonas1>wyre: if you mean manually, then I guess the answer is nano :-P
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08:04<jonas1>...or rm - depending on what you mean by "clean"
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08:46<wyre>is efi folder inside /boot by default?
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08:46<wyre>could I put it outside?
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08:47<ratrace>the "efi folder", which is an ESP, must be fat32. /boot may not be fat32. you could, nowever, mount the ESP inside /boot, in order to access the stubs and whatnot
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08:48<ratrace>"mount inside" I mean to a mountpoint inside /boot, like /boot/ESP
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08:48<wyre>what are stubs?
08:48<wyre>I'd like to have them in separate folders
08:49<wyre>or at least to have a partition for /boot
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08:50<ratrace>https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt
08:50<JohnA>identify L##pool44
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08:50<ratrace>hunter2
08:53<wyre>ratrace, and how could be possible to mount the ESP (which must be fat32) inside another partition which is not fat32?
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08:56<ratrace>wyre: because you're mounting onto directory entries
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08:57<wyre>so now I have the ESP mounted in /boot/efi and I could add an fstab entry to mount /boot in a separate partition? 🤔
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08:57<ratrace>wyre: you're really using terrible terminology here. I recommend you better understand how it all works
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08:58<wyre>what do you think is terrible terminology?
08:58<ratrace>"mount /boot in a separate partition" makes no sense. you can mount a partition containing files for /boot, onto a directory which is on another filesyste, on another partitition, yes
08:59<ratrace>a mount POINT is just a point in the directory tree where you attach a filesystem
08:59<ratrace>it's all transparent so you can see /a and /a/b/ and /a/b/c/ subdirectories, transparently, as if they're all part of the same tree, but they can all be three different filesystems, on three different partitions, all mounted together into the same tree
09:01<ratrace>with that said, you should have an ext4, for example, partition you mount on /boot. IT contains the grub config, initramfs and the kernel itself. an ESP is separate entirely. whether you mount it somehere inside the /boot/ directory TREE, is orthogonal to filesystems and types used
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09:11<wyre>oh, I see, thank you for the clarifications, ratrace 😀
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09:26<olspookishmagus>is there a command that will check whether a packaged and it's associate files are in 'vanilla' state?
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09:29<Walex>olspookishmagus: yes
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09:31<Walex>oschraml: 'man debsums'
09:31<olspookishmagus>ok Walex thank you
09:32<olspookishmagus>debsums doesn't work with metapackages
09:32<olspookishmagus>but it's ok
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09:34<olspookishmagus>apt-get --reinstall won't overwrite configuration files
09:34<olspookishmagus>so, is there a command that will revert a package to it's vanilla state?
09:34<olspookishmagus>purge and then reinstall?
09:34<olspookishmagus>that might become messy if a package has requirements
09:35<olspookishmagus>delete those tampered configuration files (back up them first?) and then reinstall
09:35<olspookishmagus>I guess this is a lot safe approach
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09:37<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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09:42<TheBigK>i installed a new server and i did a custom partitioning... i did add a partiton where i said it should be encrypted. it showed me also qutie some options which encryption etc... but now... the partiton is there... is there an easy way to set this up... or should i how i be used to use cryptsetup luksFormat to set it up
09:42<TheBigK>i used the debian installer
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10:26<pgimeno>is there a way to find out in which distribution a certain package version from snapshot.debian.org was released?
10:27<pgimeno>background: I need to run an old version of a package, and I presume that it will need lots of old dependencies, so I thought I'd install that distribution in a VM
10:27<petn-randall>pgimeno: tracker.debian.org, and then check when that version was introduced to the repo.
10:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 980] by debhelper
10:28<petn-randall>... or migrated to testing.
10:29<pgimeno>petn-randall: hm, I don't know what to do with the info I find on that page. In my case it is: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/llvm-2.8
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10:30<petn-randall>pgimeno: Which version do you need?
10:31<pgimeno>2.8-something, I just need to compile a program that requires LLVM 2.8
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10:34<petn-randall>pgimeno: I took like that was never released with a stable version, so I'd pick testing from ~ end of 2011.
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10:36<pgimeno>Squeeze 2011-02-06 2014-05-31
10:37<pgimeno>are testing snapshots archived too?
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10:43<imMute>pgimeno: the entire archive is snapshotted AFAIK
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10:46<pgimeno>hm, would it work to install wheezy and try to install llvm-2.8 there?
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10:49<pgimeno>oh never mind, I think I got it
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10:50<petn-randall>pgimeno: Whatever was testing back then.
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11:08<pgimeno>how would I go about installing squeeze from zero? the installer isn't really helping because the URLs don't point to archive.debian.org
11:09<imMute>pgimeno: you can pick the archive URL in the expert config. at least in recent installers, dunno about ones that old.
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11:10<pgimeno>oh right, in the mirrors list, thank you
11:10<somiaj>pgimeno: the netinstall can install a minimial base system without the network, the update sources.list, then install rest
11:10<somiaj>that is if archive wasn't in the mirror list
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11:15<pgimeno>what directory should I specify? the one containing dists/ inside? i.e. /archive/debian/20120101T033042Z/
11:15<somiaj>I think it is just archive.debian.org/debian release main
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11:17<somiaj>You could add debian-security as well, but using an older unsupported release is going to have secuirty issues weither or not you include that
11:18<pgimeno>security is not an issue in this case, I won't even need an internet connection
11:18<sney>dpkg: squeeze sources.list
11:18<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list".
11:19<pgimeno>once the installation is bootstrapped I can configure stuff, but in the netinstall CD there wasn't even an /etc/apt directory
11:19<somiaj>yea I would just use the single archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main should be sufficent if you are on an isolated system
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11:47<shtrb>How do I remove ~/Downloads from flatpak auto access ?
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12:09<shtrb>I don't see that folder in any XDG variable , and my flatpaks are installed with user permissions
12:10<ratrace>shtrb: something-something flatpak interfaces something
12:10<shtrb>ratrace, something something portal, something something I'm lost
12:11<ratrace>yes, portals, sorry. interfaces is for snaps
12:11<ratrace>it's basically configuration options for pre-defined behaviour. access to home, access to this, access to that....
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12:11<shtrb>I looked over https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html and https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/portal-docs.html but I think there should be some file or a file that configure it
12:12<shtrb>ratrace, I understand , my problem I'm failing to fimd that "configuration option"
12:13<ratrace>I think you need flatpak permission-set per ....pak
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12:14<shtrb>For instance flatpak permission-show com.microsoft.Teams give me "desktop-used-apps text/plain com.microsoft.Teams org.kde.kate,1,3 0x00", my problem I don't get where and how I setup it up
12:14<ratrace>`flatpak override` actually, says the GeneralLinuxDocumentationProject aka ArchWiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Flatpak#Overriding_sandbox_permissions_of_applications
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12:18*shtrb checks arch doc maybe he will find the general config
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12:21<shtrb>Ok flatpak info --show-permissions com.microsoft.Teams does show what I expected while flatpak permission-show com.microsoft.Teams don't :-(
12:22<ratrace>wow
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12:26<shtrb>PBKAC as usual
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12:35<ratrace>shtrb: yeah, flatpak developer's C
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12:37<shtrb>I didn't expect it to be that annoying to find the default config used, I mean it's idiotic to go one by one application and disable permissions instead of setting a gloabal deny allow and then allow something
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12:38<ratrace>what I find flabbergasting is that difference between permission-show and info --show-permissions
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12:40<shtrb>It's worse the Endianness
12:41<shtrb>*It's worse than Endianness
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12:43<fsociety>hlo
12:43<fsociety>anyone here
12:43<sney>hi
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12:43<fsociety>ok let do attendence
12:43<fsociety>lol
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12:44<fsociety>anyone here for chatting
12:44<sney>!chat
12:44<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
12:44<fsociety>offs ok
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13:12<tw>what's the `apt` equivalent of `apt-cache policy`?
13:12<sney>apt policy
13:12<sney>a lot of apt-cache and apt-get commands are the same with apt
13:12<sney>apt list is handy too, for smaller output
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13:13<tw>Handy, thanks.
13:17<heinrich>sney: is there a way to check why a package got installed with apt and not with e.g. 'aptitude why vlc'
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13:19<sney>only aptitude has 'why', but you can look at the list in 'apt rdepends' and figure it out. or grep dpkg.log or apt/history.log for the package and see what command brought it in.
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13:21<jmcnaught>"apt --installed rdepends …" might give you the information you want.
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13:25<heinrich>ah right. tried that yesterday "didn't" work, but now it outputs the main package. nice :)
13:26<heinrich>prolly just used depends and not rdepends
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14:24<cheako>Hello, I've found the code that messing me up, but I'm at a loss for how to change it... I know this isn't a coding channel, but just let me explain.
14:24<cheako>https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/-/blob/bd2da4ed559eec4144ed8ea6092642deee63de9f/xfsettingsd/pointers.c#L866
14:24<cheako> I'm trying to setup translation matrix for the wacom tablet(actually the pen). In xinput I get `Coordinate Transformation Matrix (157): -1.100000, 0.300000, 1.500000, 0.700000, -1.900000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000`, the command issued is `xfconf-query -c pointers -p /HUION_H420_Pen_Pen_0/Properties/Coordinate_Transformation_Matrix -n -t double -s -1.1 -t double -s 0.2 -t double -s 0.3 -t double -s 0.4 -t
14:24<cheako>12:09 PM double -s 1.5 -t double -s 1.6 -t double -s 0.7 -t double -s 0.8 -t double -s -1.9 -t double -s -1.10 -t double -s -1.11 -t double -s -1.12 -t double -s -1.13 -t double -s -1.14 -t double -s -1.15 -t double -s -1.16` Obviously it looks like xfconf-query's backed is expecting two values per cell?
14:25<cheako>I found out that even though half the values are being discarded, I must set exactly 9 items.
14:26<cheako>Anyone else encountered this with xfconf?
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14:27<cheako>I obviously asked in #xfce, and they are on holiday or something.
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14:29<jhutchins>!wacom
14:29<dpkg>well, wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html
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14:30<jhutchins>That's probably focused on the trackpads, but might help.
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14:33<emtty>how to setup a static IP in freshly installed Debian 10/Buster?? tried configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, interface set to static, but system still insists on getting IP via DHCP
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14:34<bremner>emtty: are you running network-manager or systemd-networkd?
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14:35<emtty>network manager no.... i assume networkd is running by default on a new install? i chose to set a static IP during graphical setup and the installer added the 'static' definition to /etc/network/interfaces
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14:37<bremner>I don't think systemd-networkd is active by default, no.
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14:37<emtty>i just disabled explicitely and rebooting... will see. it looked like it was disabled already anyways
14:38<bremner>maybe paste /etc/network/interfaces to paste.debian.net?
14:38<emtty>been wrestling with this most of the day. something is off...
14:39<emtty>http://paste.debian.net/1200441/
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14:41<emtty>btw... that was what the installer configured. i used DHCP during setup in a prior install and tried to setup static afterward a few different ways and the system still insists on getting a dynamic IP. at one point, it was assigning both the static IP and acquiring one via DHCP
14:41<bremner>is there anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d ?
14:42<emtty>no
14:44<bremner>hmm. nothing jumps out at me. Is this a physical machine?
14:44<jhutchins>emtty: It's probably something systemd is doing.
14:44<jmcnaught>emtty: you could run "journalctl -b | grep -i dhcp" to see what is using DHCP in the logs, and for example if it were dhclient you could run "systemctl status $(pgrep dhclient)" to see which service is running dhclient, if any.
14:44<bremner>or inspect /etc/systemd/network
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14:45<emtty>journalctl -b | grep -i dhcp returns nothing
14:46<jhutchins>emtty: dhclient?
14:46<jhutchins>emtty: I would suspect it would be an internal mechanism.
14:46<emtty>isc-dhcp-client is installed
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14:47<emtty>bremner, it's a build running on Virtualbox if that makes a difference
14:47<emtty>only setting it up to run a MXE cross build environment... wasn't expecting to get hooked up on what is usually a brain dead network configuration
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14:51<emtty>also no files in /etc/systemd/network (but did try that route in an earlier install attempt)
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15:10<jmcnaught>emtty: how do you know it is using DHCP if DHCP is not mentioned in the logs? Is it based on the IP address the interface is getting? Is that IP address mentioned in the logs anywhere?
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15:13<emtty>removed isc-dhcp-client and changed the interface MAC in virtualbox... after reboot, it's still getting a "random" IP
15:13<emtty>this is the only thing found so far in syslog related to the current IP:
15:13<emtty>Jun 8 15:10:07 debian avahi-daemon[360]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface enp0s3.IPv4 with address 10.0.0.16.
15:13<emtty>Jun 8 15:10:07 debian avahi-daemon[360]: Registering new address record for 10.0.0.16 on enp0s3.IPv4.
15:13<emtty>Jun 8 15:10:07 debian connmand[376]: enp0s3 {add} address 10.0.0.16/24 label enp0s3 family 2
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15:14<imMute>connman sounds like an interface manager...
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15:14<imMute>package description says it implements a DHCP client
15:17<emtty>purging it...
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15:21<emtty>all good now w/ connman purged... not sure why that package would have gotten added during a generic graphical install
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15:23<rm_rf_star>Is it possible to do full disk encryption without reinstalling the OS. Current installation has many hacks that I don't want to reconfigure again.
15:24<emtty>perhaps something to do with system being in a virtualbox environment... installer decided it was an "embedded" system from some system attribute?
15:24<jmcnaught>Or maybe you installed something like lxqt that depends on it?
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15:26<emtty>yes... did choose lxqt for DE... hmmm, should have kept w/ xfce like all the rest of the stuff around here
15:26<jhutchins>Take a look at the machine config in vbox. That may be what's doing it.
15:27<jhutchins>rm_rf_star: script 'em.
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15:32<plaur>rm_rf_star: not possible, see question 2.5 from https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/wikis/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#2-setup
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15:40<rm_rf_star>plaur, :( . Thanks
15:42<ratrace>rm_rf_star: surely you've got backups?
15:44<@Ganneff>it is possible, but ugly and lots of work and far from the best possible setup
15:45<rm_rf_star>ratrace, Yes. But not sure copying /etc will just work
15:45<@Ganneff>if you have enough disk space that you can use to make a new partition big enough to hold your stuff. which you then encrypt and put lvm on top and then get your system transferred into that.
15:46<@Ganneff>when you successfully "moved" over there, you can then encrypt the old partition and add that result to your lvm, and then distribute that space around where needed
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15:47<@Ganneff>means you either enter two passphrases at boot, or the second gets decrypted by keyfile stored on first. and is ugly as hell.
15:47<@Ganneff>but should work.
15:47<@Ganneff>no guarantees, have fun
15:48<rm_rf_star>@Ganneff , Thanks. You have any documentation about this for me ?
15:48<@Ganneff>nope.
15:49<@Ganneff>ive not taken this way. theory says it should work. i prefer taking a backup and making it a new, if i have this
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15:51<Mister00X>rm_rf_star: https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html <---- here is something written about avoiding the second promt. I never tried this though
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15:52<@Ganneff>avoiding the double prompt is the simple part at the end. :)
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16:55<Gerowen>What version are "backports" usually pulled from? If I've upgraded a few packages from backports, will they still end up being newer than what's in bullseye? I tried upgrading Java from backports for Minecraft 1.17 because it was basically saying my version was too old; and in order to upgrade default-jre and openjdk-jre-11, it upgraded the kernel and several other items.
16:55<sney>!buster-backports
16:55<dpkg>Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
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16:55<Gerowen>OK so they come from bullseye, so I'm not going to end up being ahead of myself even after upgrading to bullseye whenever it officially releases.
16:55<sney>right
16:56<sney>and the ~ in a bpo package's version means apt/dpkg will consider it slightly less than the equivalent bullseye package version.
16:56<sney>so the bullseye package will "upgrade" the one from buster-backports even though they are the same upstream version.
16:57<jmcnaught>judd: v openjdk-11-jre
16:57<judd>Package: openjdk-11-jre on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 11.0.6+10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 11.0.9.1+1-1~deb10u2; buster-proposed-updates: 11.0.11+9-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 11.0.11+9-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 11.0.11+9-1; sid: 11.0.12+4-1
16:57<Gerowen>That's good. Weird thing though Minecraft server still wouldn't launch, and I still got the error message even after manually downloading the tarball from java.com and using that executable.
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16:58<Gerowen>I ended up just rolling it back to 1.16.5 and telling the friend playing on it how to add the previous version as an "Installation" on his client.
16:58<Gerowen>I'll screw with it later tonight when nobody is actually using it.
16:58<jmcnaught>!java-package
16:58<dpkg>java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>.
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18:37<_>how to build xchat? i get error: /usr/bin/ld: plugin-tray.o: undefined reference to symbol 'g_module_open'
18:37<_>/usr/bin/ld: //lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmodule-2.0.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
18:38<bremner>_: maybe ask xchat authors? or just use hexchat
18:38<_>i think it's buggy by default:-(
18:38<bremner>it's pretty old at this point, no?
18:40<_>it's in default stable distro...
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18:42<bremner>with the same upstream version as in oldoldstable...
18:42<ratrace>xchat is dead
18:42<ratrace>long, long dead.
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18:44<bremner>last upstream release more than a decade ago
18:44<ratrace>if you want to use xchat in buster, then apt install xchat. if you want to build it for some reason, use the debsrc. anything else is not really supported here.
18:46<sarnold>or anywhere else, really
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18:47<bremner>#xchat on libera.chat has 6 people. You could try there ;)
18:47<bremner>or maybe 5 people plus you :P
18:48<sarnold>that's easily five more than I expected :)
18:49<_>meson.build:22:2: ERROR: Dependency "openssl" not found, tried pkgconfig and cmake
18:49<_>how to fix?
18:49<sney>and if you're trying to build xchat because of some old feature that hexchat doesn't have anymore, the feature is probably missing because of a library, not hex/xchat itself. like minimizing to tray, for instance.
18:50<_>ratrace i use apt source xchat and trying to build and that give me error
18:51<bremner>well, you need to install the build depends
18:51<sney>_: apt build-dep xchat
18:51<ratrace>^that
18:51<sney>!headers
18:51<dpkg>Trying to compile something from source, and the build script says it can't find a dependency you are sure you have installed? You need header packages, which have the -dev suffix. For instance, if it thinks python3 is missing, install 'python3-dev'. See <build-essential>.
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18:53<_>sney just try openssl-dev and put your cent
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18:55<_>sney - the same error with build-dep
18:56<sney>xchat doesn't even use meson, so it sounds like you got the hexchat source. what is your real goal here?
18:56<_>no way to build irc-clients from sources:-(
18:56<_>sney i try both
18:57<_>my real goal build irc-client from source
18:57<ratrace>why?
18:57<_>not?
18:57<_>are you phycho?
18:58<ratrace>there are source based distros if you want to build package from source
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18:58<DebianUser2021>Can I install java 16 on my debian 8 server?
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18:58<sney>DebianUser2021: debian 8 is eol now for more than a year, so you might want to consider upgrading to a different debian version
18:59<sney>if you are the same person I was talking to on freenode, there's no need to repeat the exact same question.
18:59<_>ratrace so debian is not open source distro?
18:59<ratrace>it is, but there distros much more suited for building from source, IF that is your goal for whatever reason
19:00<ratrace>there *are
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19:00<ratrace>sure you can build deb-src packages, but you have to set up all the prerequisites. in the end you will get exactly the same package you would get if you apt installed the binary
19:01<_>1.5-th or 2-th freshness?
19:01<sney>_: the hexchat and xchat packages are very simple and can normally build automatically without trouble. so you are probably doing something weird, or skipping steps. If you want more help, you will need to pastebin your whole procedure and all of the command output, not just 1 error.
19:01<ratrace>with "reproducible builds", you get exactly 100% identical package
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19:01<ratrace>however, if you want to modify the source, patch it, that's an entirely different reason, but you never stated that.
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19:05<_>https://pastebin.com/gbqhczEU
19:05<_>sney, here
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19:06<sney>!package recompile
19:06<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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19:06<sney>using configure/make instead of the dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild, etc) skips any patches included in the debian package, which are probably necessary for building such an old package on modern debian.
19:08<_>well, ok, i drop task of building, anyway thanks all!
19:08<sney>automake defaults from 2010 are probably missing useful stuff too.
19:08<_>sney, that's all, thanks!
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19:14<kpcyrd>I'm trying to use freshclam in a ci setup with github actions but the apparmor profile make it impossible to configure --datadir= and -l, what's the best way to disable the apparmor rules in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.freshclam?
19:14<kpcyrd>I've tried truncating the file and running `sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.freshclam`, didn't work
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19:15<sarnold>kpcyrd: maybe add new rules to /etc/apparmor.d/local/*freshclam* if the profile is configured to load one of those?
19:17<sarnold>kpcyrd: apparmor_parser --remove /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.freshclam would do the trick, but then you'd miss if there are freshclam changes that require apparmor profile changes
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19:18<kpcyrd>sarnold: that worked, thanks. it's a ci vm that's immediately discarded afterwards
19:19<sarnold>kpcyrd: cool :)
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19:31<DebianUser2021>@sney sounds like it might be easier to just wipe it and start fresh since the mc server is all I have on there
19:32<sney>yes, that would be easier than upgrading 8 to 9, then 9 to 10
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21:13<alex11>in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.Debian, it says "To set mixer levels to "reasonable" default values from the command line (i.e., without trying first to restore saved values), run"/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset"." do i need to run that as root?
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21:14<sney>yes, anything where you're calling utilities directly from /etc would be done as root
21:14<fmneto>Probably.
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21:15<sarnold>good question; udev may have added your user to fs acls on the device nodes in question, and that alone may be enough to run those commands
21:15<alex11>i tried it as my regular user and it didn't error or anything
21:15<sarnold>did it work? :)
21:15<alex11>i don't know
21:15<alex11>lol
21:15<alex11>i didn't know what the values were before
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21:16<sney>it's just a shell script, you can look at it in a text editor and find out what it's actually doing
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21:18<alex11>should i restart alsa or something after doing it? i don't think so
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21:28<DebianUser2021> @sney wrt: "<sney> if you are the same person I was talking to on freenode, there's no need to repeat the exact same question." I thought it was a separate group of people here? That's why I sent it again
21:28<somiaj>!cross post
21:29<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
21:29<sney>DebianUser2021: it's not a separate group, there are just more users on OFTC. and you already had an answer about upgrading java on debian 8, which is that debian 8 is old and unsupported. that answer wouldn't change with different debian support people.
21:30<DebianUser2021>I always like to get a second opinion, just in case
21:31<sarnold>you can check the EOL date on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
21:32<DebianUser2021>I see now its too old. I'm backing up my data and starting fresh on the latest
21:33<dvs>It's only 2 version behind.
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21:34<somiaj>!elts
21:34<dpkg>Limited commercial support for jessie exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/, or wheezy-elts ended 2020-06-30
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21:34<somiaj>Note, debian 8, "jessie", is still recieving ETLS support, though the actual supported packages depends on funding and what they doners need.
21:35<somiaj>So there are some who have invested money to use debian 8 beyond its offical date (if needed)
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21:39<somiaj>DebianUser2021: note, that probably won't help your actual problem, elts support only supports the versions that came with jessie, and often only supports a small subset of packages.
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23:35<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I'd like to have a good suggestion on any tutorial to change grub theme in Debian.
23:36<r4fkramer>bad english, sorry; I meant: a good suggestion about any good tutorial
23:36<somiaj>,i plymouth
23:36<judd>Package plymouth (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer. Version: 0.9.4-1.1; Size: 116.1k; Installed: 483k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/plymouth
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23:42<r4fkramer>somiaj, I don't know if plymouth is exactly what I'm looking for. I just need a static theme (not for me, but to a friend who asked me to, for I'm satisfied with default grub theme in debian).
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23:45<DebianUser2021>@somiaj do you know how I solve my actual problem?
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