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| 00:03 | <r4fkramer> | somiaj, thank you anyway. |
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| 00:04 | <somiaj> | DebianUser2021: https://adoptopenjdk.net/installation.html# -- though the best solution if you want a newer java is to really follow sney suggestion, upgrade to a modern debian system. I would suggest buster. |
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| 00:22 | <MTecknology> | I have a new dock (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0845X1LV7) as well as two new 4k monitors. I'm having a weird problem where only one monitor will turn on if I try to tell them to both be on using the same resolution. However, if I tell one to use a lower or higher resolution, it has no problem using both monitors. |
| 00:23 | <MTecknology> | It seems extremely strange and I have no idea where to even begin digging into something like this. Even my search attempts are proving fruitless. |
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| 01:59 | * | sercanbrack[m] uploaded an image: (196KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kNvrlshRHxziRoCekzYclqys/ima_91c0be1.jpeg > |
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| 02:00 | <sercanbrack[m]> | Do I need to obtain all of these .ucode files, or is just one of them sufficient? |
| 02:02 | <ratrace> | sercanbrack[m]: all of the firmware files the kernel wants to load and aren't there, are needed |
| 02:02 | <sercanbrack[m]> | For example: iwlwifi-8625-36.ucode? |
| 02:02 | <sercanbrack[m]> | It seems only -36 and -22 are to be found |
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| 02:05 | <sercanbrack[m]> | Is iwlwifi-8625-36.ucode just a newer version of iwlwifi-8625-22.ucode, or a completely different firmware? |
| 02:07 | <sercanbrack[m]> | Even the proprietary repository only shows a couple: |
| 02:07 | <sercanbrack[m]> | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 02:08 | <sercanbrack[m]> | How many firmwares does a wifi card need? |
| 02:09 | <ratrace> | !firmware image |
| 02:09 | <dpkg> | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 02:09 | <ratrace> | sercanbrack[m]: you can use the firmware ISO which already comes with them for the installer, no need to hunt for them one by one |
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| 02:12 | <sercanbrack[m]> | 👍🏼 |
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| 07:25 | <bentham> | and what are 'directory logs'? |
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| 08:35 | <omegatron> | it would be nice, the debian subdomains (https://tracker.debian.org in this case) would have some kind of switch between light and dark mode ... (or do it automatically based on my browser's local time) |
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| 08:41 | <bremner> | omegatron: you could report a wishlist bug (using reportbug, or email) on the pseudopackage tracker.debian.org |
| 08:41 | <bremner> | or maybe check bug.debian.org, there might already be such a request |
| 08:42 | <gdb> | I think doing it based on the user's local time is a terrible idea. But simply asking the browser if it's in dark mode or not might work. |
| 08:42 | <gdb> | Why is using the user's local time a bad idea? Lots of people don't have their browser switch into dark mode automatically or at all (or vice versa with light mode). So causing d.o sites to run counter to the user's wishes is a bad idae. |
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| 08:46 | <bremner> | basically, mentioning things in IRC does not lead to change. Reporting bugs _sometimes_ leads to change. Doing the thing leads to change ;) |
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| 08:53 | <iateadonut> | i read all the time in books, "everything in unix is a file" as if that's really special... how is that different from other systems? |
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| 08:56 | <bremner> | it's a bit overrated, but consider /proc and /sys where kernel interfaces masquerade as files |
| 08:57 | <bremner> | in windows I guess drive letters are a simple example of non-file things |
| 08:57 | <iateadonut> | oh, right. i hate those. |
| 08:57 | <bremner> | also e.g. COM1: for serial port, rather than /dev/ttyS0 |
| 08:57 | <iateadonut> | any idea how on windows you would get your cpuinfo, thank? |
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| 08:58 | <bremner> | probably install some dodgy 3rd party thing :) |
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| 09:38 | <Tj> | Are there known issues with Buster, systemd 241, IPv6 route config (RouterLifetimeSecs=1800) and only sending a single RA so clients lose the default route when it expires and never see another advert |
| 09:39 | <Tj> | Cannot find any bugs that look relevant |
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| 09:53 | <jonas1> | Tj: if you already checked for related bugreports in Debian and upstream, then please do file it as a bug in Debian |
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| 09:55 | <Tj> | jonas1: if we knew what it was we would! |
| 09:55 | <Tj> | we're currently testing various slighlty different configs to determine a pattern |
| 09:56 | <jonas1> | you don't know that there is a bug, or you don't know what is the _cause_ of the bug? |
| 09:56 | <Tj> | both ! |
| 09:56 | <jonas1> | ok - sorry, cannot help you determine if what you describe is a bug or intended behavior |
| 09:56 | <Tj> | we suspect it is the older version fo systemd (241) vs bullseye (247) but we're trying to narrow it down |
| 09:57 | * | jonas1 not very skilled in IPv6 |
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| 10:06 | * | jonathon wonders whether anyone is, given the amount of magic involved... :D |
| 10:06 | <sep> | jonas1, you are using debian as the router ? |
| 10:08 | <sep> | jonas1, I use radvd and set prefered and valid lifetimes to sane values there. |
| 10:08 | <sep> | i guess the OP was Tj, not jonas1 sorry |
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| 10:18 | <Tj> | It looks like the hardware is eating the multicast packets |
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| 10:46 | <cheako> | Anyone have a line of Xorg support? I'm looking into xinput and how it processes binary data. ^^^ explained yesterday ^^^ |
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| 10:47 | <cheako> | I think the problem I'm having is that this line https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/-/blob/bd2da4ed559eec4144ed8ea6092642deee63de9f/xfsettingsd/pointers.c#L866 is not filling the buffer how Xorg expects. |
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| 11:10 | <tobias-M> | /!⧹ ᎢНⅠЅ ⅭΗANNEL HAЅ МOᏙEᎠ TO IᎡⲤ．ᏞⅠᗷERA.СᎻAТ #HАМᎡAᎠIΟ /ⵑ\ |
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| 11:19 | <gaetano> | \quit |
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| 11:50 | <evh21> | ᜵﹗\ ΤዘIS ⲤHΑΝⲚEⅬ HᎪᏚ MOᏙΕᎠ TO IRC．LIᗷERA.ᏟHAT ﹟ዘAMRАDIⲞ /!⧹ |
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| 11:52 | <petn-randall> | Funny how the autokill message changed from "Mail if you think it's an error" to "don't call us, we'll call you" XD |
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| 12:31 | <Guest1459> | hey, Rogério Brito has passed away from corona virus. His wife Maiti is currently answering emails.. Could someone take him down as the maintainer of https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/youtube-dl |
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| 12:32 | <Guest1459> | @themill ^^ |
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| 12:43 | <olasd> | Guest1459: I believe youtube-dl has already been adopted by someone else. However the metadata for older versions of the package will remain for a while |
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| 12:46 | <jhutchins> | I suppose you could bump the version number and it would propagate the new info. |
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| 12:51 | <bentham> | That is super sad. :( |
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| 12:55 | <Maulkin> | Guest1459: Thanks for the info, and very sorry to hear this. I'll pass it along. |
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| 12:59 | <Guest1459> | @olasd thanks |
| 12:59 | <Guest1459> | @Maulkin ty |
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| 12:59 | <olasd> | Maulkin: the MIA team / front desk are already aware, fwiw |
| 13:00 | <Maulkin> | olasd: Ok, thanks. |
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| 13:06 | <bremner> | The "MIA" acronym is a bit on-the-nose in this case |
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| 13:16 | <somiaj> | https://salsa.debian.org/debian/youtube-dl/-/blob/master/debian/changelog -- though they left, there is even a mention in the change log |
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| 13:19 | <bremner> | sure. Although e.g. tracker.debian.org is still showing rogerio |
| 13:20 | <jhutchins> | Would a bug report be an appropriate way to report that? |
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| 13:21 | <olasd> | we (front desk) are talking to the new maintainer to figure out what the best course of action would be to get the metadata updated in unstable (and maybe bullseye) |
| 13:21 | <somiaj> | I'm unsure when that updates, at the point the package hits unstable (it is only in experiemential) |
| 13:21 | <somiaj> | bu tyea, there might be ways (though unstandard) to go around that |
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| 15:06 | <wheeler> | What's the best way to go about installing a newer version of apache2 on bullseye? apt has 2.4.46 but I need >= 2.4.47 |
| 15:07 | <bremner> | install from experimental? |
| 15:07 | <imMute> | ,v apache2 |
| 15:07 | <judd> | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.46-4~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.46-4; sid: 2.4.46-4; experimental: 2.4.48-1 |
| 15:07 | <imMute> | I was going to say backports, but bullseye doesn't have one yet. experimental is an option, as is backporting the package yourself. |
| 15:08 | <wheeler> | Yep, but how? Is there a way to add an experimental source in /apt for just apache2? |
| 15:08 | <wheeler> | Or do I just grab the .deb and dpkg -i it? |
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| 15:08 | <chrisssssssss> | yeah I would say selfbuild is the best option, or install it in some kind of container |
| 15:08 | <wheeler> | chrisssssssss: self-build = in compile from source or is there a better debian-way of doing it? |
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| 15:09 | <imMute> | wheeler: I like grabbing the debian source package and compiling it myself. possibly updating to a newer upstream version too |
| 15:09 | <imMute> | which is basically doing the backport myself. |
| 15:09 | <chrisssssssss> | +1 |
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| 15:10 | <wheeler> | imMute: copy that |
| 15:10 | <bremner> | wheeler: by default experimental has low priority. So it won't install from there unless you ask for it |
| 15:10 | <bremner> | I have experimental at priority -10 |
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| 15:11 | <wheeler> | Thanks for the suggestions |
| 15:12 | <bremner> | https://paste.debian.net/1200597/ as /etc/apt/preferences.d/20experimental.pref |
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| 15:13 | <wheeler> | bremner: Is it a good idea to limit the pref to apache2 only? Or leave it as * to pull in deps if needed? |
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| 15:14 | <bremner> | wheeler: here I'm decreasing the priority, so I think the * is actually what you want. |
| 15:14 | <bremner> | it's saying don't install j random package from experimental, just because the version is higher |
| 15:15 | <wheeler> | bremner: 10-4 |
| 15:15 | <bremner> | you will also need to add experimental to your sources.list |
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| 15:16 | <wheeler> | got it |
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| 15:18 | <wheeler> | Awesome -- after an apt update, I see 2.4.48 |
| 15:19 | <bremner> | cool. BTW, #debian-next is probably better for testing / sid / experimental questions for the future. |
| 15:20 | <bremner> | bullseye is getting close to being stable, but not quite yet |
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| 15:20 | <wheeler> | Copy that |
| 15:20 | <wheeler> | Thanks for the help, bremner, very much appreciated! |
| 15:20 | <ratrace> | the number of RC bugs is growing! people, stop filing bug reports! :)) |
| 15:21 | <bremner> | users. they're the worst. |
| 15:21 | <wheeler> | :D |
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| 15:28 | <jhutchins> | !ssb |
| 15:28 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 15:34 | <vv221> | Improvement suggestion: instead of `apt build-dep packagename`, use `mk-build-deps packagename && apt install ./packagename-build-deps*.deb` (mk-build-deps is provided by devscripts). |
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| 15:35 | <vv221> | mk-build-deps builds a dummy package depending on the build dependencies of the target source package, so said build dependencies end up marked as automatically installed. This way they are much easier to uninstall afterwards. |
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| 16:18 | <otisolsen70> | I have a small device running debian. I want it to automatically try to connect to network via ethernet if this is available. Otherwise I want it to scan networks and check if a certain network is available and connect to it if it is there. It is currently running NetworkManager. But I want to handle this manually through shellscripts or similar during startup. What is the best way of doing that? |
| 16:19 | <@Ganneff> | use network manager and drive it by nmcli if needed |
| 16:19 | <otisolsen70> | Ganneff, ah, right. |
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| 16:19 | <otisolsen70> | Ganneff, the wifi NIC is USB. And it may be connected/disconnected at anytime. Will NM handle this automatically? |
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| 16:20 | <@Ganneff> | it should deal with something like that, yes |
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| 16:24 | <somiaj> | otisolsen70: you can also use the interfaces file with wpa_supplicant in roam moad if you don't want NM. |
| 16:24 | <somiaj> | there is a nice guide in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant on this |
| 16:25 | <somiaj> | but if you like NM, use it and there are cli tools (and even an ncurses based tool) to configure it outside of desktops |
| 16:25 | <otisolsen70> | somiaj, Ganneff I may be able to use nmcli. Will it handle a prioritized list of wifi SSIDs to connect to if they are present? And will it also do something like switch to the preferred one if it is suddenly available? |
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| 16:25 | <somiaj> | I don't use nm so unsure on that front. |
| 16:27 | <sney> | nm can generally do that, so yes provided the cli frontend has all the same options |
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| 16:29 | <@Ganneff> | the cli frontend is just that, a frontend. whatever nm can do, it can trigger. i think. at least all the things i ever needed |
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| 16:36 | <otisolsen70> | Ganneff, ok. So maybe it would be better to have my own script or python program do all the connection management and then have it use nmcli to actually connect, etc? E.g. my script would have the list of wifi SSIDs and periodically scan wifi for these SSIDs and then have nmcli ask NM to connect to whatever SSID is avialable? |
| 16:37 | <somiaj> | If nm doesn't do this, wpa_supplicant roam mode will, but I would check to see if nm already has this feature |
| 16:38 | <otisolsen70> | somiaj, ok. Where would I check that? Does NM have an official wiki or something like that? |
| 16:39 | <@Ganneff> | otisolsen70: nm is capable of connecting to the "next best" wifi, and you can assign prios and stuff. and otherwise, script away, read manpages for nmcli and others |
| 16:39 | <otisolsen70> | Ganneff, alright. Thanks |
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| 16:40 | <@Ganneff> | doing it oneself is always possible, but usually its better to invest a bit of time to learn existing tools handlings. if they fail, one can always fallback to scripting, but often those tools are better, if one digs a bit |
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| 16:49 | <jhutchins> | otisolsen70: Network manager has a CLI interface. |
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| 16:53 | <otisolsen70> | jhutchins, so I am told :) |
| 16:53 | <otisolsen70> | Thanks. Will try,. |
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| 17:19 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all, please, I'm using Debian buster 10.9, and I don't know if any change from 'http' to 'https' makes sense for security purposes.According the paste, does this change make sense if my Debian is not generating any error messages? Or, by using 'http' instead of 'https', am I missing any updates? |
| 17:19 | <r4fkramer> | https://paste.debian.net/1200616/ |
| 17:20 | <r4fkramer> | Clarifying: the question presented is from another user who had the error message as presented in paste. It's not from my OS.... |
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| 17:30 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: I don't think it matters that much, but personally, I just use https for everything these days |
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| 17:31 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: theoretically, someone with access to the network can sniff the network and sort out what you're installing on your machine… |
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| 17:32 | <r4fkramer> | Hi RoyK, thanks for answering :) So, is that the reason you prefer 'https' ? Or, is there another technical reason ? Specifically referring to debian sources.list |
| 17:32 | <quadrat> | i mean people still see that you connect to the debian servers, to probably update (but yes they don't see what you update) |
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| 17:35 | <koollman> | r4fkramer: is that a currently happening problem, or specifically happened yesterday and is fixed now ? |
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| 17:36 | <RoyK> | r4fkramer: I just use https for *everything*. Encryption is nice. Plaintext communication is passé |
| 17:38 | <imMute> | r4fkramer: to answer part of your question - no, you're not missing out on updates by using one protocol instead of another. the debian archive mirrors are all identical regardless of whether you use HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, or RSYNC. |
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| 17:40 | <jhutchins> | r4fkramer: https actually adds overhead to downloads, but doesn't provide any actual security. It's mainly been implemented to accomodate systems that will not connect with unencrypted http. |
| 17:41 | <jhutchins> | r4fkramer: No, you're not missing anything, Debian still works with http. |
| 17:41 | <jhutchins> | imMute: I'm pretty sure ftp has been disabled on most of the mirrors. |
| 17:42 | <imMute> | jhutchins: sure, not all mirrors support all those protocols I listed. but if it's available, it's the same content. (well, minus a mirror being slightly out of date) |
| 17:42 | <r4fkramer> | koollman, thank you very much for answering :) No, my debian is running fine, rock solid as always. It is about another debian user - I presented this question to fix this doubt I had |
| 17:43 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, RoyK, thank you for information. |
| 17:44 | <r4fkramer> | imMute, thank you for answering :) |
| 17:44 | <koollman> | r4fkramer: in most places/networks, there isn't much point using https instead of http (but that may be argued). But using https adds more failure points (especially time-based). But http and https should work the same |
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| 17:45 | <jhutchins> | imMute: I'm not sure any of the mirrors still support ftp, although several have ftp in their names. This is true for most distros. |
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| 17:48 | <TobiX> | jhutchins: NetCologne still provides FTP on mirror.netcologne.de :D |
| 17:49 | <r4fkramer> | jhuthins, based on your answer, there is no difference related to security. But 'https' adds overhead to downloads. I don't know how to think about it. |
| 17:49 | <r4fkramer> | Correcting: jhutchins |
| 17:49 | <imMute> | r4fkramer: personally, I'm in the "HTTPS as many places as is possible" camp. even though I work on "embedded" devices where getting a proper TLS cert is tricky (to say the least) |
| 17:50 | <r4fkramer> | koolman, so, does make sense using 'https' for debian sources.list ? Preferable using 'http' (according your comment above) |
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| 17:53 | <TobiX> | r4fkramer: I use http for all my sources.list, since that makes it easier to put apt-cacher-ng in between :D |
| 17:53 | <r4fkramer> | Fine imMUTE, in your case, better using 'https' because of embedded devices use...Ok. |
| 17:55 | <jhutchins> | r4fkramer: Most irc clients will allow you to type a few letters of a nick, then hit tab for auto-completion. Just make sure it doesn't auto-complete the wrong nick. |
| 17:56 | <r4fkramer> | TobiX, I'm basically trying to find a relevant reason to use 'https', instead of 'http'. Or the opposite. |
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| 17:58 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, jhutchins, and typed your nick wrongly. Sorry for inconvenience, and thanks for hint:) |
| 17:59 | <TobiX> | r4fkramer: You could argue that https provides confidentiality, so that a passive observer doesn't know which software in which versions you have installed |
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| 18:01 | <jhutchins> | r4fkramer: No inconvenience to me. |
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| 18:05 | <r4fkramer> | I see, TobiX. Do most current debian isos come with 'http' for sources.list or 'https' by default? |
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| 18:09 | <somiaj> | debian uses http for sources by default. Apt already has its own security via gpg keys to verfiy the integergity of what it downloads. And by looking at file size, you don't gain too much privacy using https. Though since buster https is supported by default (if the mirrors support it is another question) |
| 18:09 | <jhutchins> | You have Debian stable, updated regularly. I'm pretty sure what versions of software you have, if not the exact mainfest. |
| 18:10 | <somiaj> | r4fkramer: Many don't think you gain any clear advantage over using https except a layer of obscurity (but by looking at download size of files, someone can still determine what packages you are installing). |
| 18:11 | <somiaj> | r4fkramer: though if apt were to be written today, it would be written with https, overall the amount of security/privacy is considered small by some (but not others) for using https. The biggest issue is infrastructure and requiring https on all mirrors. |
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| 18:14 | <somiaj> | I suggest use whatever you prefer, and if the mirror you use supports https, the overhead is not worth worring about on modern hardware. |
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| 18:15 | <r4fkramer> | Fine somiaj, thank you very much for information :) This set of information you provided here is really Fine and absolutely necessary for me. |
| 18:15 | <r4fkramer> | And thank you very much for suggestion, also :) |
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| 18:19 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, jhutchins, I update my Debian regularly - I check for updates everyday, and it's always rock solid, stable and fast :) I really LOVE this OS !(Debian Project, in a broader sense ) |
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| 18:23 | <r4fkramer> | I really enjoy being with You here. You always help me and remove all my doubts :) I really can't understand why there are those who criticize the Debian Community as being too strict.This is a Virtue, not a defect! Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of people (starting with Me) only have reason to praise this Channel and this Debian Support Community via IRC :) |
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| 18:24 | <r4fkramer> | quadrat, thank you too, for information :) |
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| 18:26 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you very much Royk, quadrat, koolman, imMute, jhutchins, TobiX, somiaj, for attention and Great Support ! God Bless you All :) |
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| 19:12 | <qrpnxz> | y'all know how to import bookmarks and such from firefox-esr to firefox from the wobsite? |
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| 19:15 | <sney> | qrpnxz: export them from the 'manage bookmarks' dialog in -esr, then import from same in firefox? |
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| 19:16 | <qrpnxz> | i'll try that ty |
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| 19:27 | <qrpnxz> | worked i think |
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| 21:46 | <Eloquence> | /！\ TᎻIS ⅭHАΝNEL ᕼAS МOⅤЕD TO IRϹ.ᏞІBEᖇА．ᏟHᎪT #HAΜᏒΑDΙⲞ /︕⧵ |
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| 21:49 | <sussudio> | another russian ip... |
| 21:49 | <fredhgl> | mine? |
| 21:49 | <sussudio> | no, that spambot. |
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| 22:02 | <mambang[m]> | mod/ops pls kick that kind of bot. it annoying |
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| 22:10 | <sarnold> | mambang[m]: we've blocked thousands of them so far. botnets are inexhaustible. |
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| 22:18 | <moroni> | ⧸!⧹ ᎢᕼIЅ ϹHΑNΝᎬL HAS MОⅤЕᎠ TΟ ΙRϹ.ᏞΙΒЕᖇA.ⅭHAT #HΑMᖇADIО /！﹨ |
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| 22:50 | <somiaj> | mambang[m]: We choose to keep this channel open and not require users to register. The OFTC killbots trigger on the smappers and kill them instantally, we just choose to put up with some spam here and there by those trying to cause chaos, vs make users have to register to join this channel to get help with debian. |
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| 22:51 | <mambang[m]> | keep it open. that is debian way |
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| 23:56 | <aether> | ⧸!∖ THIЅ CHANⲚEL ΗAᏚ MΟVΕD ΤO IᖇC.ᏞΙBΕᖇΑ．CΗAT ＃ᕼΑMRΑDIΟ ⁄!\ |
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