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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-10

---Logopened Thu Jun 10 00:00:22 2021
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00:01-!-hbautista is "Héctor" on #debian-mx #debian #osm-es #archlinux
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00:04-!-Bombo is "Bombo" on #virt #tor #qemu #debian
00:04<Bombo>/!\ TዘIᏚ CHΑΝΝΕᒪ HAЅ MOⅤᎬᎠ TO ΙRC.LІBEᎡA.ᏟHAT #HAMᖇΑDΙⲞ /!∖
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00:06<sussudio>china, taiwan, another russian...
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00:48<andrew867>/!\ ᎢᎻIS CНΑNNEL ΗΑS MΟᏙED TO IRᏟ.ᏞIВERА.ᏟHΑT #ᎻAMᏒAᎠIO /ⵑ\
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01:45<geceo[m|gr]>᜵!∖ TዘIS CHAΝNᎬL HAS ⅯⲞᏙΕD ΤO ΙᎡᏟ.ⅬIВЕᎡA.CHАΤ #ΗАᎷRΑDІⲞ /!⧹
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01:48<sussudio>hm 2 taiwan in a row.
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02:18<TheBigK>im using firewalld and i didnt use nft yet... im using fail2ban and use the firewalld implementation ... can i somehow see in the nf tables the banned ips?
02:19<TheBigK>i tried nft list table firewalld .. but cant find anything in there ip related
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04:13<grawity>grep the entire `nft list ruleset` then?
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04:26<wyre>why there is two grub.cfg? I can see one in /boot/grub and another in /boot/efi/EFI/debian
04:26<grawity>I'm guessing the latter contains a pointer to the former?
04:27<grawity>grub2 kinda *always* has two grub.cfg's -- the first one is always next to grub itself, and it just points to the second one which could be anywhere
04:27<grawity>you just don't see the first one often, because it gets embedded directly into grub itself (by grub-install) and isn't a separate file
04:28<petn-randall>wyre: They're not the same? Not sure what you're asking about.
04:29<wyre>grawity, I can see it as a separate file in the system what I'm working on
04:29<ratrace>grawity: ah-hah! I did not know that. But it explains why installing via chroots, one has to grub-install from within the chroot, or else it won't work as expected.
04:30<grawity>I'm guessing it may be a separate file in "secure boot" scenarios, where building a custom grub.efi is out of the question
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04:30<grawity>so you'd have a generic grub.efi with the config alongside it instead of embedded?
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04:32<wyre>in fact the one in /boot/efi/EFI/debian has `search.fs_uuid </boot partition UUID>`
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04:33<wyre>grawity, https://paste.debian.net/1200663/
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04:33<grawity>yeah that's exactly what the embedded grub.cfg would have
04:34<grawity>what am I supposed to see in that pastebin
04:34<wyre>grawity, https://paste.debian.net/1200664/
04:34<grawity>yeah that's exactly what the embedded grub.cfg would have
04:35<grawity>just a pointer to the "real" <boot>/grub/grub.cfg
04:35<wyre>but what do you mean by `embedded`? because it's in fact a separate file
04:35<grawity>did you read anything else I said today
04:35<wyre>yes, but I thought when you say 'embedded' that it's inside of grubx64.efi or something like this
04:36<grawity>yes -- the grub.cfg you're looking at is the same thing that is *usually* embedded into grubx64.efi -- except in your situation it cannot be embedded, because that'd break the Secure Boot signature on grubx64.efi, so instead it's placed as a standalone file alongside grubx64.efi
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04:39<wyre>grawity, aha, that also answer my next question: why in Arch Linux I don't have that .cfg file :-)
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04:40<grawity>so the only unusual thing is having it as a separate file -- in Arch whenever you run grub-install it generates a customized grubx64.efi for you with everything in it (grub kernel + some modules necessary to read /boot + the grub.cfg that points at /boot)
04:41<wyre>nice!
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04:42<grawity>but of course if you want to use Secure Boot in Arch then that generated image needs to be either signed locally, or enrolled by hash via Shim (and the hash changes on every update)
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04:42<grawity>heh when you think about it, it's like grub had its own update-initramfs and everything
04:44<ratrace>terrible :)
04:44<wyre>grawity, when you say 'image' you mean the 'grubx64.efi', right?
04:45<grawity>yes
04:46<wyre>and what produces this different behaviour for grub-install in debian vs arch? are they different?
04:46<grawity>no idea, I suspect Debian has special configuration to make it more Secure Boot friendly
04:48<grawity>(i.e. providing a "standard" grubx64.efi instead of building a host-specific one... like dracut on Fedora prefers using a standard initramfs instead of host-specific initramfs for the same reason)
04:48<grawity>haven't really dug deep, none of my Debian servers have secureboot
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05:06<grove> Why do those spammers try to attract people to the channel on libera? (or are there IRC clients out there that transforms those unicode-mangled domain names to urls, making this as case of typo-squatting)
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05:08<vv221>I don’t think that’s what they are really doing.
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05:08<grawity>so that they would make libera look bad, of course
05:08<vv221>It looks more like some kind of defamation campaigne against said network/channel.
05:08<grawity>they used to do exactly the same thing with freenode years back
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05:15<grove>By overloading the (supposedly still) small number of servers?
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05:17<olasd>it's just trolling/FUD, I don't think there's an end goal
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05:17<olasd>(and I'd suggest moving to #debian-offtopic for further discussion on the subject)
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05:18<ratrace>the more y'all talk about it, the more they're rubbing their hands.
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05:29<wyre>what do you recommend me to set a timeout for tty sessions? /etc/profile.d or /etc/login.defs ?
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05:29<wyre>oh, sorry, /etc/login.defs is for the timeout reading the password
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05:30<wyre>I guess the correct way to set a timeout for the session is in /etc/profile.d
05:32<ratrace>wyre: what's "timeout for the session"? idling? inactivity timer?
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05:32<wyre>ratrace, yes, a timeout to automatic logout because of idling
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05:35<ratrace>logind.conf then
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05:36<grawity>does logind actually track idleness for ttys?
05:38<default>hey, I'd like to contribute to the debian code base
05:38<ratrace>I don't know that it doesn't. But then I never tried to configure it to handle the vty purely
05:38<default>can anyone tell me how ?
05:39<ratrace>default: maybe this helps: https://www.debian.org/intro/help
05:40<ratrace>,i vlock
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05:40<ratrace>googs seem to point to this for locking the vty
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05:43<grawity>tbh, the simplest way would be to set bash's own "exit if idle" option, though the user could override that, and it'd only work if the session was idling at shell prompt and not e.g. in vim/emacs
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05:44<ratrace>from what I read it seems logind does track it but doesn't maybe itself do any locking, just uses events or dbus to signal something
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05:47<grawity>for GUI sessions, logind relies on the desktop environment setting the "idle hint"
05:47<grawity>for ttys, hmm
05:47<grawity>it *could* look at the tty device's mtime, like `w` does, and I believe I've seen commits related to that ~2 years ago
05:47<grawity>but they were ~2 years ago and I can't remember them in more detail
05:48<ratrace>what about PAM
05:49<ratrace>afaik logind does full seat/session management regardless of xorg/wayland
05:50<ratrace>at least that's my experience with it on fedora/RHEL .. maybe that part is configured differently than debian. fedora/RHEL after all rely on DBUSEverywhere(tm)
05:51<wyre>grawity, ratrace so do you recommend to use logind?
05:51<grawity>no, PAM has literally zero involvement in that
05:51<grawity>it informs logind when the session gets opened/closed but it cannot in any way track when the session is idle, neither on GUI nor tty
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05:56<wyre>grawity, ratrace what about defining TMOUT in an script inside /etc/profile.d ?
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06:05<ratrace>wyre: you can try that, but check grawity's comment above. btw, why system-wide? do it in your ~/.profile
06:06<grawity>I'm more curious about the need to close idle sessions in general
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06:06<wyre>grawity, a cybersecurity requisite 😞
06:07<ratrace>doubtful
06:08<wyre>ratrace, why do you think that?
06:08<ratrace>because it seems like applying a band-aid to a gaping wound that is pure linux tty
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06:09<wyre>ratrace, oh, yes, I think the same
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06:10<ratrace>the tty is poorly maintained and many kernel devs think nobody should be using it in 2021. it's also one of the reasons for recent CVEs that resulted with scrollback removal
06:10<grawity>hold on
06:11<wyre>ratrace, then what's the future of it? I find pretty useful the tty sessions sometimes
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06:11<grawity>are either of you talking about 'ttys' in the generic sense of text-based sessions (including SSH/Telnet)
06:11<wyre>grawity, no, I'm talking about a physical tty not a remote session
06:11<wyre>I know I can configure the timeout for remote ssh sessions in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
06:11<ratrace>yeah, local console access. ssh btw is pty, no?
06:12<wyre>ratrace, but for example to install Arch Linux you need to do things from tty
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06:12<ratrace>sure, but that part does not really require increased security context
06:13<ratrace>btw, afk, lunch
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06:13<ottavio>Anybody from Belgium and with an account on https://www.rtbf.be/auvio ? I need to ask you a massive favour, basically check if that page works with any Linux browsers
06:14<ottavio>s/that/a
06:14<ottavio>Page is this https://www.rtbf.be/auvio/detail_invisible-s01?id=2770923
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06:14<ottavio>Apparently it works on Windows but not on Linux
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06:19<jhutchins>.
06:19<jhutchins>...
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06:19<petn-randall>ottavio: And you can't test that yourself?
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06:20<ottavio>petn-randall: and don't you think I didn't? Otherwise I wouldn't ask.
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06:20<jhutchins>Hm. No traffic for like twelve hours.
06:20<ottavio>I want to know if it's only me.
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06:20<jhutchins>Ach. Scrollbuffer lock.
06:21<petn-randall>!be
06:21<dpkg>methinks be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. #debian.be
06:21<petn-randall>ottavio: You might ask in here ^^^. There are all Debian Belgium users.
06:21<petn-randall>ottavio: Site loads for me, but can't play because of region lock.
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06:23<ottavio>petn-randall: that channel is blocked to me:
06:23<ottavio>I think somebody is winding me up here. There's no #debian.be
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06:25<sussudio>why would there be. it isn't even a real country.
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06:26<ottavio>Please I have a real problem. This is not funny.
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06:28<petn-randall>ottavio: Indeed, that channel seems to be dead.
06:28<petn-randall>dpkg: be =~s/ #debian\.be//
06:28<dpkg>petn-randall: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
06:28<sussudio>you're probably getting blocked for using a proxy/vpn.
06:29<petn-randall>sussudio: That's not how IRC works.
06:29<ottavio>sussudio is just talking rubbish from his anonymous irc account
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06:29<petn-randall>ottavio: #debian.be shouldn't be blocked to you, though.
06:29<petn-randall>ottavio: Please refrain from personal attacks in here.
06:29<ottavio>petn-randall: that channel doesn't exist
06:30<sussudio>petn-randall: that's how websites work.
06:31<petn-randall>sussudio: We're talking about the IRC channel #debian.be.
06:31<sussudio>i'm talking about the rtbf website. it loads fine btw, but i can't view it, because it probably needs widevine.
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06:31<petn-randall>ottavio: As I said, it seems dead. I've removed it from the factoid.
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06:34<ottavio>petn-randall: are you ops in here?
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06:36<sussudio>it's easier to download these kinds of things with youtube-dl anyway, if it's not protected.
06:36<petn-randall>ottavio: Why are you asking?
06:37<ottavio>Is there a problem in asking?
06:37<hanyuwei70>hello
06:37<petn-randall>ottavio: ... you seem very combatative for some reason. I'll leave you to it.
06:37<petn-randall>hi hanyuwei70
06:38<hanyuwei70>Is anyone know why apt upgrade is extremely slow inside Proxmox?
06:38<petn-randall>!proxmox
06:38<dpkg>Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
06:38<petn-randall>hanyuwei70: Best you ask in the proxmox channel. ^^^
06:38<hanyuwei70>petn-randall: thx
06:39<ottavio>petn-randall: I only asked a few legit questions and it seems I have been personally attacked.
06:42<petn-randall>ottavio: sussudio did an light joke about Belgium, and you told them to stop, which they did. Is that the personal attack you're talking about?
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06:43<petn-randall>ottavio: And TBF, your support request is not in any way related to Debian support, so we're really stretching being on-topic here.
06:43<ottavio>petn-randall: not only that, you seem to make fun of each and every of my lines. This is why I wish to know if you're ops in here.
06:44<sussudio>rtbf seems like a broken website anyway, even if you have login creds.
06:44<ottavio>Anyway, I've just checked chanserv and you don't seem to be on the ops list.
06:44<ottavio>Not surprised.
06:45<sussudio>you wouldn't need to be in the channel list if you have server ops.
06:45<JCWasmx86>Are the GPUs from the Radeon RX 6000 series (E.g. 6700XT, Navi 22) supported in the latest debian?
06:46<sussudio>JCWasmx86 : i vaguely recall you need a 5.x kernel from what i've seen passing by in the channel before.
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06:47<JCWasmx86>Well, I have 5.10.0-7, so it shouldn't be a problem?
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06:48<sussudio>googling "6700xt linux" gives some relevant results
06:48<petn-randall>JCWasmx86: You'll very likely get 2D accelerated output, but getting 3D performance might need manually steps for it to work.
06:48<petn-randall>JCWasmx86: If in doubt, try it and see.
06:48<JCWasmx86>Ok thank you for your help
06:49<petn-randall>JCWasmx86: So you should be able to install and use the desktop normally. AMD GPUs have better support than Nvidia ones in Linux.
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06:50<JCWasmx86>I will probably need the non-free image, won't I?
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06:53<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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06:57<sussudio>petn-randall: the topic on freenode says that #radeon moved here.
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07:06<petn-randall>sussudio: I think I broke the bot trying to update that factoid.
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07:07<sussudio>hm.
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07:08<petn-randall>!radeon
07:08<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.libera.chat. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
07:08<petn-randall>Ah, now it worked.
07:09<sussudio>no, it says it moved to here, oftc.
07:09<sussudio>unless someone messed with the channel, which is a thing now on freenode.
07:10<petn-randall>!radeon
07:10<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.oftc.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
07:10<petn-randall>sussudio: fixed.
07:11<sussudio>k
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09:13<archivist>how shameful is this, eh? https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network/
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09:16<bremner>I guess it's not on topic here.
09:16<bremner>try #debian-offtopic
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09:30<jhutchins>Try #idiots
09:30<archivist>i've no desire to visit your home planet, jhutchins. thanks, anyway.
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10:00<archivist>goddamned exciting in this channel
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10:07<timekeeper>hello
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10:08<timekeeper>anyone here?
10:09<superkuh>Probably.
10:09<jhutchins>Yeah, close to 1000 people.
10:09<Maulkin>!ask
10:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:09<jhutchins>Well, he did ask a question.
10:09<timekeeper>any one here to help with aircrack ng
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10:13<superkuh>It helps to just ask instead of asking to ask to ask then asking to ask then asking.
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10:15<timekeeper>no one is interested in chatting. Signing off.
10:15<ajak>well, tihs isn't really a chat channel
10:16<jhutchins>I don't imagine many people here have wasted a lot of time hacking wifi networks. Not much to be gained.
10:16<timekeeper>no one answering also.
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10:16<superkuh>I did back in the day. I spent an entire year with my wrt54g 70ft up a pine tree using someone else's network.
10:17<superkuh>timekeeper, you still haven't asked a question.
10:18<timekeeper>I need algorithm behind the "mppq" encryption. Any one know here
10:19<superkuh>Oh. Just a troll. Welp, that's on me for trying to help.
10:19<timekeeper>And is there any possibility to create or run a decryption program with kali tools
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10:21<FLHerne>Not clear how that's connected to aircrack-ng, but Google says it's using RSA and Salsa20
10:21<FLHerne>So -- probably yes if you have the key, those are both pretty common and standard, otherwise no because they're also both fairly secure
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10:22<FLHerne>Well, very secure if used properly, you don't have a supercomputer, and you don't have a major zero-day exploit
10:23<timekeeper>@<FLHerne> I didnot know the how to use aircrack ng, wana guide of it
10:23<jhutchins>timekeeper: This really isn't a hacking channel, it's a support channel for legitimate computing.
10:24<cassava1101>Greetings.
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10:25<timekeeper><jhutchins> so suggest me 1
10:26<timekeeper><cassava1101> Gratitude
10:27<cassava1101>timekeeper: Well, I have a conundrum that I need help for.
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10:30<cassava1101>I was thinking about upgrading to testing, but it's over 3 gigabytes.
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10:30<cassava1101>And I don't to have enough space for it in /
10:31<petn-randall>timekeeper: Are you running Debian, or something like Kali?
10:32<jhutchins>cassava1101: Why do you think you need space in /?
10:33<timekeeper>petn-randall: now parrot sec os . and kali as live
10:34<cassava1101>jhutchins: I don't have enough space to download the update from the server. There's only about 1.9G.
10:34<JCWasmx86>Try running apt clean, (clean tmp files), clean cache
10:36<cassava1101>It's about 2.1G now. Still not enough.
10:37<timekeeper> cassava1101: just download it, ensure favorable isp plan also clean unnecessary files including temporary.
10:37<cassava1101>I do have method in mind, but I need to ensure if it's safe.
10:37<timekeeper> cassava1101: it is safe.
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10:38<somiaj>!parrot
10:38<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org.
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10:39<somiaj>Note that #debian doesn't support parrot os, kali, or debian derivatives
10:39<cassava1101>I have more than enough space in my home partition. I thought of chroot-ing and installing the update, then copying it into /
10:39<Micken>gude
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10:40<somiaj>or just link /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/somewhere, since that is where packages are downloaded. Anyways, if running parrot os, please take your support issues to the proper support channels
10:41<timekeeper>somiaj: you did not get me.
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10:43<cassava1101>Hard or soft link?
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10:45<cassava1101>somiaj: Hard or soft link?
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11:17<Langley>Hello, is there a plugin or config for Totem to save video position when re-opening the video?
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11:20<Langley>nevermind, found such a plugin... funny how formulating a question helps me in finding the answer myself
11:20<somiaj>I find the same thing
11:20<somiaj>though I also find if I talk to myself it doens't work, I need to talk to others, even if they dont' respond.
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13:29<Switchh_>is it safe to store keepass passwords in the firefox installed on computer that only i use instead of copy paste from password manager?
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13:34<imMute>Switchh_: it's possibly less secure - I don't know how FireFox protects those passwords, but I would guess that it's less secure than KeePass's encryption.
13:35<imMute>Switchh_: for a computer I control completely, I'd be comfortable putting some passwords in FireFox (like lesser used sites or sites that don't matter. sites that are a little more confidential, like banking, I only keep in KeePass.
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13:36<Glanzmann>Switchh_: Yes. See: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html
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13:41<coc0nut>You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
13:41<coc0nut>libGL.so.1
13:41<coc0nut>how was this again? :o
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13:43<imMute>,file libGL.so.1
13:43<judd>Search for libGL.so.1 in buster/amd64: libgl1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1; primus-libs: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/primus/libGL.so.1; libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/legacy-340xx/libGL.so.1; libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/legacy-390xx/libGL.so.1; libgl1-nvidia-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGL.so.1
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13:43<tia>coc0nut: Did you follow debian wiki for steam? It says there to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, which has that file
13:44<coc0nut>found solution on steam community
13:44<coc0nut>https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1736635023062287934/
13:46*enyc meows
13:47<tia>Wait, I was wrong, you just need libgl1:i386 for that, it isn't included in libgl1-mesa-dri:i386.
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13:50<vv221>tia, I think libGL.so.1 was in libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 for oldstable, and moved to the new libgl1:i386 with the current stable.
13:51<vv221>(from memory, so I might be wrong by one stable release one way or the other)
13:51<tia>I am currently looking why I even have libgl1 installed, can't find what depends on it, I though it was pulled by libgl1-mesa-dri
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13:51<vv221>Well, I’m wrong in any case, ii was in libgl1-mesa-glx:i386, not libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 ;)
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13:52<vv221>Pro-tip: aptitude why libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
13:52<vv221>(best aptitude command ever)
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13:55<shtrb>sorry but what's the dc21 channel ?
13:55<shtrb>*Deb Conf 21
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13:58<tia>Shame apt doesn't have rdepends option like apt-cache
13:59<shtrb>tia, apt rdepends xxx ?
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14:00<tia>Wow... and I even just closed manual after searching through it for rdepends...
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14:00<shtrb>I'm not sure you are joking or not
14:02<tia>No, my bad, I didn't know that is all
14:02<vv221>rdepends is indeed missing form apt manual.
14:02<vv221>*from apt manual
14:02<tia>Oh god, I though I was going mad
14:03<vv221>apt manual covers only the most "common" commands, so don’t take it as an extensive reference of what it supports ;)
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15:13<Izty>Hello, I'd like to read the rpm of my fans at each percentage of speed. How can I do that?
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15:14<Izty>That is 5% is x RPM, 10% is y RPM and so on
15:14<zleap>I am sure krellm does that or similar tools
15:15<zleap>gkrellm/stable 2.3.10-2+b1 amd64
15:15<zleap> GNU Krell Monitors
15:16<Izty>I installed it. Trying to figure out how to get a curve now :)
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15:16<zleap>ok
15:17<Izty>I thought there would be a command to set fan speed to 10% and then another command to read the RPM
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15:20<zleap>not sure
15:20<zleap>can you grab the source code for gkrellm ?
15:20<zleap>there is also this https://www.thepythoncode.com/article/get-hardware-system-information-python
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15:20<zleap>https://www.linuxsecrets.com/2744-fan-speed-control
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16:24<Izty>zleap: Ok great so I can get the current RPM with `sensors`
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16:24<Izty>Now I need a way to tell my fans to run at x% of their speed
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16:39<jhutchins>Izty: My fan on my laptop seems to adjust itself according to load/temp.
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16:41<quadrat>which most do, as it's controlled by the bios/uefi
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16:42<jhutchins>quadrat: Seems like there's a fan control program, or there was.
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16:45<quadrat>hm? I know that back in the day, you would need to selfadjust it, but nowadays (since forever honestly) this is managed by the firmware. maybe there are still devices where you can manually adjust it, but there is a safeguard
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17:15<jhutchins>Yeah, one of my motherboards had thermal thresholds you could set.
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18:02<Saturn>So I disabled my wifi when I installed this debian box years ago. I can't figure out how to turn it back on. The network connections on system tray doesn't do it.
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18:03<sarnold>is there a switch on the keyboard or on the side of the computer to disable it?
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18:52<Saturn>sry no not on this one
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18:54<Saturn>okay
18:55<Saturn>so, I did nmcli general status
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18:55<Saturn>state disconnected, connectivity none, wifi-hw enabled! all else is enabled
18:56<Saturn>So I think I see what isn't working. In my gui I added the SSID, but they never asked for password...
18:56<Saturn>So, in CLI:
18:56<Saturn>nmcli con add con-name WiFi ifname wlan0 type wifi ssid SSID
18:56<Saturn>That will do the same right?
18:57<Saturn>Then I only need to add password with nmcli con modify WiFi wifi-sec.psk PASSWORD
18:57<Saturn> ?
18:57<Saturn>And that's it?
18:58<Saturn>FUCK my ssid has a | in it so of course it's not going to work in bash. Can I use an escape character?
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19:00<sarnold>probably \| would do it, or 'my|ssid' wouild do it
19:01<Saturn>got a property error with |
19:01<Saturn>\
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19:01<Saturn>I did confirm it did change in GUI; so I just added SSID there and I'll try the passs through CLI now...
19:01<Saturn>wish me luck
19:02<Saturn>Unknown connection Wifi? WTF?
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19:03<Saturn>That fucking connection is listed in the network manager, I can see it when I do my nmcli general status!!!! WTF??
19:03<Saturn>hw enabled wifi enabled wwan-hw enabled wwan enabled
19:04<Saturn>sudo didn't work....
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19:06<Sqrt{not}>before you wrote "WiFi" now "Wifi" -- is it case sensitive. (also, I suggest choosing a name that is not the same as one of the other keywords of the program)
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19:54<Saturn>Yeah, I'm just going with another install for this project. Wifi should work. This is just bs. I could have reformatted and had a new box by now.
19:55<Saturn>thanx though
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20:00<coc0nut>If I want to add a few lines to the end of a textfile/conffile and I want to do that in one command? echo 'line1 \ line2 \ line 3' >> filename.type ?
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20:01<nevyn>printf "line1\n line2\n line3\n" >> myfile
20:01<nevyn>you can mess around with endlines inside quotes but printf is probably easier
20:02<nevyn>so echo "line1
20:02<nevyn>line2
20:02<nevyn>line3" >> myfile
20:02<nevyn>will work.
20:02<nevyn>coc0nut: ^^
20:02<coc0nut>thx!
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20:04<coc0nut>It be printf "line1\nline2\nline3\n" >> file
20:05<coc0nut>:)
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20:37<Saturn>LOL
20:37<Saturn>now the install is failing!
20:37<Saturn>Says can't autoconfigure network!
20:37<nevyn>hardware?
20:37<Saturn>I have 14 other devices with no DHCP problems...
20:37<nevyn>firmware?
20:37<Saturn>It worked just yesterday.
20:37<Saturn>doubtful
20:37<sarnold>check the wire?
20:38<Saturn>However, must be tested; how?
20:38<Saturn>wifi
20:38<Saturn>I want to do wifi connect
20:38<sarnold>check the wireless? :)
20:38<Saturn>How do I do that???
20:38<sarnold>sorry, was just a joke..
20:38<Saturn>Has autoconfigure, manual install, and so on
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20:38<sarnold>nevyn's firmware guess feels pretty plausible to me, are you using the free or the non-free install image?
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20:40<Saturn>I'm using the image from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ did xfce and cinimon
20:40<nevyn>what's the wifi card?
20:40<Saturn>I have no idea. Some hp laptop card
20:40<nevyn>lspci/lsusb?
20:41<Saturn>I don't know. I never really cared about this machine to know it's hardware.
20:41<Saturn>Can i dfind out?
20:41<nevyn>ok.. get a shell.. run lspci and lsusb look for the wifi card
20:41<Saturn>how can I get shell in installer?
20:42<nevyn>alt -f2?
20:42<Saturn>ctrl alt t doesn't work
20:42<Saturn>kk
20:42<Saturn>no dicce
20:42<nevyn>ctrl-alt f2
20:42<nevyn>anyway the right answer is to use the netinst-firmware image
20:42<Saturn>yes!! thanx
20:43<nevyn>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
20:43<Saturn>kk, ok
20:43<Saturn>I have two realtek controllers
20:43<Saturn>one ethernet, so other must be wifi...
20:43<nevyn>debian has landed on the view that firmware is software. and software needs to be free to be in main. and if it's non-free it's not part of debian...
20:43<nevyn>this isn't unreasonable from a DFSG point of view
20:44<Saturn>BUt, my ethernet worked before
20:44<Saturn>and it's realtek
20:44<nevyn>but it is frustrating when you just want the wifi to work in the installer.
20:44<Saturn>So, why did that work?
20:44<nevyn>it doesn't need firmware :)
20:44<nevyn>the wifi card does
20:44<Saturn>AH!
20:44<Saturn>thanx I'm kinda uneducated on this.
20:44<Saturn>So, the proper thing to do is ethernet install...
20:44<nevyn>so debian specifically differenciates between firmware in a rom on a device. and firmware loaded by a driver.
20:45<Saturn>And then... I'm back where I was on my old box...
20:45<nevyn>well there are two options
20:45<nevyn>use an install image that has the wifi firmware (like the netinst-nonfree image I linked..)
20:45<Saturn>I really just want to use an old adobe flash website....
20:45<nevyn>or... install on wired ethernet
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20:45<Saturn>I need a secure distro to do that.
20:45<nevyn>good luck with that plan
20:45<nevyn>like that's just not gonna happen
20:46<Saturn>I found a way to do it.
20:46<Saturn>I need to install palemoon browser and then install this old version of flash.
20:46<Saturn>done.
20:46<Saturn>But, I want it on a laptop so I can use it in different places.
20:46<nevyn>so you'd need the old version of flash you'd need to set your system clock to before the start of the year.
20:46<nevyn>if it needs SSL that'll break
20:46<Saturn>Yeah, it's an old site.
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20:47<Saturn>http://playgo.to/iwtg/en/
20:47<Saturn>Something I might have coded in the 90s, except hte flash. I never could do flash
20:47<Saturn>but I could do HTML 4!
20:47<nevyn>flash is actually dead at this point
20:47<nevyn>like for everyone.
20:47<Saturn>I know, but I need this site.
20:48<Saturn>Nothign like it.
20:48<Saturn>Do you know any easy distro I can use to run from USB that wont' give me these problems?
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20:52<alex11>you might be interested in https://ruffle.rs/
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21:09<Saturn>Thank you! I'll look at that after I try Kali. I'm pretty sure wifi will work on that, and it's debian.
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21:24<Sqrt{not}>Saturn, you can run a debian live image with firmware
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21:38<nevyn>!kali
21:38<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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21:39<nevyn>!libera
21:39<dpkg>Libera.Chat is an IRC network (irc.libera.chat) founded by ex freenode staff after a disagreement with the direction freenode limited under Andrew Lee have taken the freenode network. See also <debian irc>, <oftc>, and <freenode>.
21:39<nevyn>!debian irce
21:39<nevyn>!debian irc
21:39<dpkg>The offical Debian IRC network is OFTC (irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net). Please join OFTC to connect with debian support and development communities. See https://wiki.debian.org/IRC for a list of channels. See also <oftc>, <oftc move>, <libera>, and <freenode>.
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21:43<Saturn>Sqrt, how can I do that?
21:44<Saturn>thanx dpkg
21:44<Sqrt{not}>%live firmware
21:44<dselect>There are <live> system images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available at: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ See also: <firmware images>
21:44<Saturn>ah!! thank you!!
21:44<Saturn>I'll put that on the list. rufus has been working forever...
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21:44<Sqrt{not}>if you use rufus with the debian .iso images, be sure to select rufus's "dd" mode
21:45<Saturn>thanx! I'm doing that now cause I had a mount error than a read error. LOL
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21:47<sarnold>read error? that often means busted flash
21:47<sarnold>check dmesg periodically, IO errors tend to stand out loudly in that
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21:49<Sqrt{not}>Saturn, if you are trying to run something with an obsolete browser with obsolete flash, you might look at the archived old live images: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/
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21:49<Saturn>That's a great idea Sqrt! Thank you!!! =)
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21:51<sarnold>I don't think those include flash though, I thought that was always downloaded from adobe; they (a) poisoned their flash packages to not run beyond whatever the EOL date was (b) have taken down their packaging and asked distributors to take it down as well
21:52<sarnold>that rust flash interpreter is probably your best bet
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22:05<Saturn>Yeah, packages before a certain date have a kill switch.
22:05<Saturn>You have to dl from an archive.
22:05<Saturn>http://andkon.com/arcade/install_flash_player.exe
22:05<Saturn>And you have to install in a fork of Firefox called palemoon
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22:05<Saturn>And I recommend you do so on a virtual machine or a shit box.
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22:22<alex11>no it fucking hasn't
22:22<alex11>eat shit and die
22:22<sney>the spambot is already gone, no need to reply
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22:25<Saturn>LOL and my other laptop is giving kernel panic when I try to install!
22:25<Saturn>You got to be kdding me!
22:25<Saturn>Anyone ever had a fucking kernel panic on install?
22:25<sney>no, no one has ever.
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22:26<Saturn>i never heard of it.. lol
22:26<Saturn>seems like one of those things that could only happen to me...
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22:27<sussudio>i had seemingly endless kernel panics trying to install redhat 5... turned out to be a bad cdrom drive.
22:28<alex11>they're just annoying me
22:28<alex11>waste of everyone's time
22:29<Saturn>I remember when I tried redhat in 2000....
22:29<Saturn>I didn't try linux again until ubuntu...
22:29<Saturn>lol
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22:41<Saturn>right, I'm just going to do this on windows on a virtual machine...
22:42<Saturn>It's not fun to have six hours of projects with every command.
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23:27<Guest1661> /window new
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23:32<coc0nut>why is it not /new window ?
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