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03:44<notsure>I do not understand why I can't install this package https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/cherrytree, can anyone explain?
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03:45<vdamewood>notsure: what's stopping you?
03:45<notsure>all what I understood is it's not in stable, only old stable and unstable
03:45<notsure>I'm just trying to understand what it's not in stable
03:46<notsure>why*
03:47<anix>is your apt system configured for stable archive only?
03:47<vdamewood>notsure: I would guess it has something to do with the action about it not building reproducabely in testing.
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03:48<vdamewood>err during testing.
03:50<anix>is the problem that the package isn't your index lists or that the dpkg install fails?
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03:54<notsure>anix: the problem is simply the package does not exist in stable
03:54<notsure>I just wondered why
03:55<anix>if it's not existing in stable - it won't appear in stable until testing becomes stable
03:56<anix>thats a major distinction of debian from other distro's like arch
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04:01<anix>I believe the packages - after building - go to unstable, then to testing, but there is no migration to the current stable achive. Only the package in testing will receive all new versions of upstream, then when the entire testing archive is satisfactory - the apt server points to the testing archive - and a new debian is released
04:02<notsure>oh god
04:02<anix>to install from testing you would have to add the testing archive to your sources.list and probably edit apt preferences would be a good idea
04:02<notsure>what about security updates?
04:02<anix>that's the exception
04:03<anix>well, if your package isn't in stable there is nothing to be security patched
04:03-!-outtatime is now known as whatsthetime
04:04<anix>but for existing packages, say libreoffice or something, the debian security team will backport the patches
04:04<anix>and you'll see some weird version number on the package
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04:05<notsure>I see
04:06<anix>which, I think, ensures that when the "proper" version from testing is fetched, your local apt client will see that version as the "upgrade" and it will replace the backported one
04:08<notsure>yeah I get it
04:08<anix>usually, the specially backported packages will have "deb7" or something in the package name
04:09<anix>er security patched packages I mean
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04:54<vv221>notsure, when you wonder why a package is not in stable, look for the keyword "removed" in its tracker.debian.org page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/cherrytree
04:55<vv221>Here it gives you this explanation: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1091684/removed-0376-11-from-unstable/
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04:55<vv221>And then you end up on this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=947338
04:55<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/947338 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: cherrytree -- RoQA; python2-only; depends on pygtk/gtksourceview, deprecated; upstream is rewriting it in C++, so there's no hope for a py3k port»; severity: serious; opened: 2019-12-25; last modified: 2020-02-03.
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05:12<notsure>I see, thanks for the info
05:12<notsure>also, how can I add a new user?
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05:13<sussudio>notsure: apart from 'adduser'?
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05:14<Sqrt{not}>yes, adduser is the best
05:15<vv221>adduser if you are a human, useradd if you are a script ;)
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05:27<notsure>okay got it worked
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05:55<notsure>the problem with command line is it's in english (so it's harder for not-english speakers), GUIs add a bit of visual info so it becomes a bit easier, and it can be translated so it's even easier
05:57<vv221>Interactive CLI can be translated too ;)
05:57<vv221>And it actually should be, assuming there are volunteer translators with time on their hands.
05:58<vv221>(I develop a CLI tool, that is fully translated in both English and French for all messages but debug ones)
05:58<notsure>not fully, or to be clear, not universally for all languages
05:58<vv221>Why is that? Some issues with right-to-left reading maybe?
05:59<notsure>yep
05:59<jhutchins>: http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
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05:59<vv221>This is something I never had to face, but now I’m curious about how to work around this ;)
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06:00<notsure>rendering text is hard, and this is the problem
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06:01<notsure>for arabic, you have connected chars
06:02<notsure>and this is hell to be fair, and when you mix left to right with right to left, it becomes more fucked up, oh and if you decided to use brackets it will be unreadable because brackets for some reason behave differently
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06:02<notsure>and tty does not really support unicode
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06:03<notsure>English conquered the world thanks to computers
06:04<notsure>also fun fact about this, now in any job that requires computers knowledge you are expected to know English, so yeah the job requirements around the world mostly got affected by that
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06:14<vv221>Right, I mostly learned English because of its requirement if you want to do things in computer tech.
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06:15<vv221>But living in an European country helped a lot, English is not too different from my native language (French).
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06:16<vv221>I guess for other cultures it would be *much* harder (African and Asian countries come to mind).
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06:49<quadrat>vv221 i know pretty off-topic, but how do you see french the same as english?
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06:57<notsure>how can I make lightdm list usernames instead of writing it manually
06:58<notsure>if I can't are there other DMs that does that?
06:58<ratrace>notsure: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3ljp1u/make_lightdm_list_users_instead_of_having_to_type/
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07:01<sussudio>notsure: like a graphical version of "who" or something?
07:02<EmleyMoor>Getting quite frankly terrible performance on the UKTVPlay site in Google Chrome on my media box. Currently looking how to add UKTVPlay to Kodi to see if that helps at all, but any other solutions would be welcome. At the moment I have to pause frequently after about 6 minutes of content.
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07:03<sussudio>EmleyMoor: will youtube-dl download the programme?
07:03<notsure>I think that link solves it, I editing the config will check if it works later
07:04<EmleyMoor>sussudio, I doubt it as it's not youtube
07:04<notsure>edited*
07:04<notsure>youtube-dl can download from many sources
07:04<sussudio>EmleyMoor: it does more than youtube, and apparently it does uktv. youtube_dl/extractor/uktvplay.py
07:04<notsure>not just youtube
07:04<EmleyMoor>Ah, maybe
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Not a great way to work around it, I think, but will investigate
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07:07<seamus>\topic
07:07<EmleyMoor>I am actually waiting to print the instructions to add it to kodi
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07:09<EmleyMoor>(printing from tvaddons.co is dead slow)
07:09<seamus>Will I be able to keep Gnome3 when Gnome4 comes out? I've seen 4 and I'd like to stick with 3.
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07:09<abrotman>seamus: gnome40?
07:10<seamus>abrotman: Yes. That's probably right. I wasn't sure what they're calling it.
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07:11<abrotman>seamus: there's gnome 40.. no big change from gnome you see today
07:12<abrotman>The things you've seen for gnome4 are ideas/mocks. I wouldn't get too attached to those at this point
07:12<quadrat>i guess he doesn't like the horizontal workspaces in comparison to vertical. as bullseye is getting released with 3.38 that's the last release with the old design
07:13<abrotman>seamus: if you look at the "Gnome 4" page, it says they're discussing architectural ideas
07:13<abrotman>https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/GnomeShell/GnomeShell4
07:13<abrotman>If you really mean Gnome 3 (release 40), we can talk about that
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07:14<abrotman>see forty.gnome.org if that's what you want to ask about .. confirm, we'll discuss if need be
07:14<seamus>I saw this, https://blogs.gnome.org/shell-dev/ thought I'm not into it. quadart is right. The new design looks too much like mac for me.
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07:15<vv221>quadrat, I meant that English and French use similar grammars, the same alphabet, and share a lot of etymology sources.
07:16<quadrat>vv221 ahh :) learning french as a german is quite hard ^^
07:16<quadrat>english was pretty easy for me :/
07:16<vv221>Learning German as a French was quite hard too ;P English and German seems to be much closer to each other.
07:17<seamus>abrotman: thanks I'll check out he link.
07:17<abrotman>seamus: some of those things may be configurable, some may exist today. Regardless, if you're running Stable, you'll have the same Gnome veresion you have today for a while. If you're running Testing/Bullseye, I'd imagine bullseye won't be shipping with 40 (currently on 38). So Bullseye would have 38 for a while
07:17<quadrat>seamus sadly that's the way gnome wants to go. I assume with bookworm there will be enough extensions to modify whatever you want. on the other hand people really like the new touch gestures
07:18<abrotman>seems like those gestures are largely tied to the trackpad, which is disabled on my laptop in favor of a trackpoint ..
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07:19<abrotman>FWIW, seems like they did a bit of usability studies to try to do "the right thing"
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07:19<seamus>abrotman: cool, I'm on testing. I think I should change from using the meta package to using specifically 38 so I don't have to deal with the changes.
07:20<quadrat>yeah they have to, as they put out a post about how they need a way to attract new donors
07:20<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... "Unsupported URL"
07:20<abrotman>seamus: I don't think you'll have that option once it migrates. You'd be stuck in some horrible hell of dependencies ..
07:20<quadrat>seamus bullseye is for sure 3.38. no need to change anything
07:20<abrotman>seamus: you may instead want to change your sources to track "bullseye" not "testing"
07:22<seamus>Is there a meta package for just 3.38? Even if the package gets updates I could just stick with this and side step these silly changes Gnome wants.
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07:23<abrotman>seamus: again, that's only going to work for so long
07:23<quadrat>seamus nope, there is no metapackage for that
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07:23<quadrat>you could pin them, but that will break in the long run
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07:24<abrotman>gnome has a large set of dependencies. They're shared. At some point you'll want to upgrade "SuperCoolEditor", and that will trigger a library upgrade that will start causing problems with gnome38
07:24<abrotman>seamus: you may do better to ask Gnome to allow users to configure some of those options instead of a "mandate"
07:26<seamus>abrotman: alright. Do you think they'd be willing to provide the redesign as optional? My next bet has to be forking.
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07:26<abrotman>I think at best you'll get some options or extensions
07:26<abrotman>folks have made really good use of extensions to alter functionality
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07:27<abrotman>and I doubt anyone would fork it. Is Mate still a thing?
07:27<quadrat> it is
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07:27<seamus>quadrat: dido
07:28<abrotman>Well, don't let me forking stop you :) Get it?!?!
07:28<seamus>abrotman: lol
07:29<seamus>I've gotta jet. Thanks for the help.
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07:50<EmleyMoor>Any;ne ever managed to add indigo to kodi on Debian? I've followed the instructions at https://www.tvaddons.co/indigo-kodi-krypton/ but it doesn't show up at step 7
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07:54<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like there may be a different way
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08:08<notsure>I just noticed that after all we do not really need a package manager to install packages, we have /usr/local just for that; so technically this is ProgramFiles, so if every app shipped it's own set of dynamic libraries it should distro-agnostic right?
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08:10<abrotman>notsure: There's a notion called cruft ..
08:10<abrotman>Are you suggesting you'd like each of you binaries to have their own set of libraries?
08:11<abrotman>or have a set of monolithic binaries?
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08:12<notsure>not each, no; but instead for stuff like games, or non-free products
08:12<abrotman>dpkg: stow
08:12<dpkg>somebody said stow was a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>, <checkinstall>.
08:14<vv221>notsure, I’m working on the opposite for non-free games ;) — https://wiki.debian.org/Games/PlayIt
08:14<notsure>I find it quite annoying when I think about it if you are developing a program, and you want to provide it to all users, how are you going to do it, because the thing is with package managers they are the man in the middle not as bad people but as "you have to pass those to reach the end user"
08:14<vv221>Let‘s package all the things \o/
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08:17<notsure>the thing is whenever you package anything you do not package it for everyone you only package it to only a group of people (a specific distro users); I wish if there was a universal way to package it once
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08:17<EmleyMoor>Where is "the log" when an Indigo error occurs in Kodi?
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08:19<vv221>notsure, I think this is what things like Flatpak, Snap or AppImage are trying to answer to.
08:19<EmleyMoor>I can't get it to work either way I've found
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08:23<tia3100>Sorry testing something
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08:32<EmleyMoor>Is there anywhere that kodi on Debian is discussed? It's proving to be more than a pain to get it to be useful to me
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08:32<tia3100>Can a package that is currently in experimental be migrated to testing, so it gets in Bullseye?
08:33<tia3100>Considering it is already in full freeze
08:33<ratrace>tia3100: nope, frozen. but maybe it comes down through bullseye-backports
08:34<ratrace>or maybe you could do your own:
08:34<ratrace>!ssb
08:34<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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12:05<zebrag>I want to paste 20 lines or so of `dmesg` output, but it's rejected by debian.paste.net
12:05<zebrag>as spam
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12:05<zebrag>I've tried removing the bracket parts at the beginning of lines
12:05<zebrag>But no luck it's always rejected
12:06<vv221>zebrag, you can try this paste: https://debian-facile.org/paste
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12:06<vv221>Without an account, there is a basic mathematics captcha at the bottom of the page.
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12:07<zebrag>I hope I'll be smart enough
12:07<vv221>Well, the trick is that the interface is not in English ;P
12:08<vv221>But you can keep everything on default settings, fill the captcha, and send the paste with "Envoyer" (green button).
12:09<Unit193>zebrag: dmesg | tail -n20 | nc termbin.com 9999
12:09<zebrag>It seems answering 1 + 1 = 2
12:09<zebrag>is not enough
12:09<jhutchins>!paste
12:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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12:14<zebrag>Unit193: But how do I retrieve the url? (might be obvious?)
12:14<Unit193>Should return to terminal.
12:15<zebrag>yeah, like I said
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12:18<Switchh_>sometimes i need to quickly check something for my roommate but i don't want to friend know about money-related stuff that i'm playing on the forex or about chans in the history
12:18<Switchh_>is it a good idea to use different browsers for normal stuff that i don't want to hide and other for rest?
12:18<Switchh_>how would you solve this problem?
12:19<zebrag>Unit193: Awesome (you can see the link on #debian-next if you want)
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12:28<TobiX>Switchh_: You can run Firefox with multiple profiles
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12:30<TobiX>Run "firefox -ProfileManager" to set them up and "firefox -no-remote -P profile-name" to use them
12:32<Switchh_>TobiX, thx for answer
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12:44<tomreyn>Switchh_: no need for separate profiles with firefox, search "multi account containers" (though you don't get separate password stores this way - if you want to use this feature in firefox).
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12:55<Switchh_>tomreyn, can i separate history by containers?
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12:58<tia3100>It only separates cookies, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/
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13:06<Switchh_>so for separate history i need another profile?
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13:07<tia3100>I think I was wrong, reading on their other page it is more detailed
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13:07<tia3100>Container tabs are like normal tabs however the sites you visit will have access to a separate slice of the browser's storage. This means your site preferences, logged in sessions, and advertising tracking data won't carry over to the new container. Likewise, any browsing you do within the new container will not affect your logged in sessions, or tracking data of your other containers.
13:08<tia3100>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers
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13:35<yakubin>mpan: it flooded again.
13:35<yakubin>(sorry, wrong channel)
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14:29<uplime>Hi! I'm setting up a new debian vm on my machine that has two interfaces: ens32, which is a bridged interface that it connects to the internet with, and ens33 which is private to my machine. ens33 is configured with a static interface, and ens32 is dhcp. Currently, my configuration for ens33 is making it the default gateway. how do i tell debian to use the gateway it gets from ens32
14:29<uplime>over dhcp instead?
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14:40<koollman>uplime: don't set a gateway on ens33
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14:40<uplime>koollman: will i still be able to route to my vm over that interface?
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14:41<uplime>guess i can try it out real quick
14:42<koollman>having two default route won't help, in general
14:42<uplime>yeah, that seems to have done the trick
14:42<uplime>thanks!
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14:46<uplime>koollman: so it looks to be working like how i want, but I'm a bit confused. How does ens33 know which "router" to connect to without a gateway directive?
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14:46<koollman>why would it need a router ? this is probably part of your confusion ;)
14:47<uplime>hm
14:47<uplime>i guess when its sending packets out that interface it doesn't really need to care about where they end up
14:48<uplime>s/where they end up/how they get there/
14:48<koollman>uplime: it has a netmask, which gives a route for any machine in the same subnet
14:48<uplime>that is true
14:48<uplime>either way, thanks again!
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14:57*EmleyMoor wished he knew where kodi logs were
14:58<Hash>you can find it out from kodi's config interface or config file
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15:04<EmleyMoor>Worst of it, I asked on the tvaddons forum for help finding the log I need and the responding person seems to have skimmed my posting and asked for information I'd made pretty clear
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15:07<Hash>I'm certain you can configure where the logs would be written to.
15:07<Hash>If not, I'd check var logs, or I'd check local kodi dir
15:07<EmleyMoor>Maybe I *can*, but I *didn't*
15:07<Hash>I could be wrong. I'm not certain anymore
15:08<Hash>Just install a search engine like for locate
15:08<Hash>do something like as root/sudo `updatedb`
15:08<EmleyMoor>I've found it, but it seems it may be down to a missing db table... and I don't know what it's doing/why/how to fix
15:08<Hash>Then locate kodi.log
15:08<Hash>Then `locate kodi.log`
15:08<Hash>if it's just for `locate` try `updatedb`
15:09<EmleyMoor>No, this is nothing to do with that. This is in the log file itself...
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15:10<Hash>https://kodi.wiki/view/Log_file
15:10<Hash>Good luck
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15:11<EmleyMoor>It's the interpretation that baffles me now
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15:23<qrpnxz>is it alright to just wipeout /tmp? it ran out of space
15:24<qrpnxz>oh, that does not look safe to do
15:24<raven523>some files in there will be in use, like X's sockets, and removing those will break things
15:24<qrpnxz>why are there lock files here Dx
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15:25<Sqrt{not}>qrpnxz, how big is your /tmp? what is filling it?
15:26<qrpnxz>clearly not big enough and just random temporary stuff idk, temporary build files, systemd stuff, vscode stuff
15:26<qrpnxz>ONLY 2 GIB, i need to resize this
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15:29<Sqrt{not}>qrpnxz, yes, that's probably the best long term fix. you could also symlink problem subdirectories into some other partition.
15:29<qrpnxz>i thought tmp was a ramfs until now
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15:30<EmleyMoor>I'm going to leave this machine on wifi being pinged all night to see if the wifi problem could be environmental. Still want to fix kodi/indigo in any case
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15:33<Sqrt{not}>qrpnxz, that depends on how you have set it up. I think by default it is not even a separate partition.
15:33<qrpnxz>i definitely didn't set it up by hand, so i'd say it's the default
15:34<Sqrt{not}>which system are you running there?
15:35<qrpnxz>debian :)
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15:40<Sqrt{not}>qrpnxz, well, that's definitely not how my debian system is setup. You have options to fix your problem.
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15:44<jhutchins>This is an example of why it's always good to have a live boot device available.
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15:49<qrpnxz>um yeah, or i can just change my fstab no? just gotta see how to make a ramfs on there
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15:50<qrpnxz>or tmpfs rather
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15:52<Sqrt{not}>or else you could move some of your temporary build files and vscode stuff to some other partition
15:52<jhutchins>I believe tempfs is managed by something other than fstab (I don't have any entries for it).
15:53<jhutchins>qrpnxz: If you boot to a live image, you will know that any 'physical' files remaining in the partition can safely be removed.
15:54<qrpnxz>doesn't the spec say that you can't rely on /tmp files after reboot. Reboot should be enough
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15:55<jhutchins>qrpnxz: The fun thing about specifications is that there are so many too choose from.
15:55<qrpnxz>ok, but we just care about debian
15:57<qrpnxz>from the debian copy of the FHS: "Programs must not assume that any files or directories in /tmp are preserved between invocations of the program." Such reinvocation must occur after rebooting, therefore programs must not assume files are preserved across reboot.
15:58<qrpnxz>there is no policy exception afaict
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15:59<Sqrt{not}>I don't think that policy is saying that all of /tmp is deleted every boot
16:00<jhutchins>If it's tmpfs in RAM, obviously it wouldn't have persistent files.
16:01<Sqrt{not}>I thought they said it is a 2GB partition. maybe I misunderstand what they are saying
16:01<jhutchins>I've seen it used as a sort of junk drawer. VMWare tends to store the installer for it's modules there, with a new folder created each time you upgrade.
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16:02<qrpnxz>Sqrt{not}, it doesn't say you must, it says it's allowed, which means i don't need to do anything like back it up or boot into a live disk, i can just reboot
16:03<jhutchins>Well, this system doesn't have a physical partition, but I always do manual partitioning. I don't know how the installer manages it.
16:03<Sqrt{not}>%TIAS
16:03<dselect>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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16:04<qrpnxz>i will soon, got a lot of stuff open
16:04<Sqrt{not}>qrpnxz, or you could just manually delete some stuff right now, if you need more /tmp space right now
16:05<qrpnxz>that's not the same, spec says they cannot assume i won't delete between invocations, not while it's running
16:05<qrpnxz>i mean i was able to delete some trash from in there for stuff idk is not running
16:05<qrpnxz>but to switch it to tmpfs i'm just gonna reboot
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16:14<qrpnxz>*stuff ik is not running
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16:44<cheako>I've discovered something really strange. I got this data from shell commands and then by examining the programs with gdb. XIChangeProperty and XChangeDeviceProperty are different, where XChangeDeviceProperty is broken in some way.
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17:13<jhutchins>We should track the IP on that spam, see if it's consistent or as random as the names.
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17:15<raven523>the addresses are random. they're part of one of the same botnets that have been spamming every irc network over the last couple of years
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17:20<cheako>This fixed things for me, I get that it's a bit hacky. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wBgI8xs8/
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17:45<hays>Is there a reason some projects choose OFTC over Freenode/Libera?
17:46<vv221>I can tell you why I did it for my own project: I do not like centralization.
17:47<hays>so OFTC because it is smaller and a second option
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17:47<vv221>"a second option"?
17:49<hays>yeah, with most projects on one IRC platform OFTC is a second option
17:49<hays>without fully decentralizing, like running your own IRC server, or maybe some other smaller network
17:50<alex11>why is oftc more decentralized than libera?
17:50<hays>good question--i was thinking vv221 just meant that having 2 networks is more decentralized that having 1
17:51<vv221>alex11, to me it looks like Libera is trying to become the new Freenode. And Freenode was an central point on IRC. So much that there was some confusion between Freenode and IRC itself.
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17:52<alex11>well... okay i guess
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18:14<jhutchins>raven523: I'm not seeing any on freenode but I'm only on a couple of channels. None on libera.
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18:16<jhutchins>vv221: Lots of things still point to freenode, from dpkg factoids to howtos to random web pages.
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18:17<raven523>freenode and libera have more robust spam defenses
18:17<jhutchins>People won't necessarily know about all the fuss, some people won't care enough to change.
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18:18<uuuuuuu>how to make apt update works if it says the repo has no release file? sources.list just read: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
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18:23<Sqrt{not}>%bullseye sources.list
18:23<dselect>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and is a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list".
18:23<Sqrt{not}>uuuuuuu, maybe try it with the added trailing / like in the example?
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18:28<uuuuuuu>Sqrt{not}: thanks, no luck though. I'm actually using mobian but I tried asking here since it's the standard repo
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18:32<uuuuuuu>oh wait I think it's my clock... I didn't notice what an idiot
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18:34<jhutchins>!mobian
18:34<dpkg>hmm... mobian is https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone
18:36<uuuuuuu>yeah mobile version of mobian, didn't feel like registering right now to enter their channel, sorry to bother :)
18:36<uuuuuuu>*mobile version of debian
18:37<Sqrt{not}>uuuuuuu, so is it happier now?
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18:38<jhutchins>uuuuuuu: So this channel would be appropriate for general Debian questions, but we might point you to their own channel for mobile specific questions.
18:39<jhutchins>It's like debian-next - if it's a generic Debian question, we'll try to help, if it's release-specific we'll chase you over there.
18:40<jhutchins>Unlike derivatives, where we don't know what they've changed and our advice might break things.
18:40<uuuuuuu>Sqrt{not}: yes, I simply forget to always check first if the time is wrong on the device everytime such a problem arises
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18:42<Sqrt{not}>uuuuuuu, OK, good job. FWIW, channel #mobian on OFTC has 1485 users currently
18:42<Sqrt{not}>(which is 500 more than are here)
18:42<jhutchins>Wow.
18:42<uuuuuuu>jhutchins: yeah I wanted to skip the registration part required to enter #mobian... thought the problem had more to do with how apt worked anwyway, I'll register a nick for the next time
18:42<jhutchins>How do you get the wrong time on a phone.
18:43<uuuuuuu>jhutchins: I had taken out the battery and forget to set automatic date and time...
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18:45*jhutchins is unfamiliar with non-Android phones.
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18:47<uuuuuuu>well mobian works mostly like debian, it's a fantastic project imho although still experimental, finally we have a sane mobile computer
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18:48<uuuuuuu>I mean: a sane OS for mobile computers
18:49<jhutchins>I'm pretty happy with android.
18:49<jhutchins>The way that some pages format for it, especially to pump advertising, is really annoyning.
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18:53<uuuuuuu>yeah I guess one must use and adblocker otherwise it's unbearable
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18:54<jhutchins>Yeah, I need to investigate that. I do most of my browsing from Debian/Chrome, and I have ad blocker on that, so it's particularly jarring if I happen to be on my tablet.
18:55<uuuuuuu>anyway right now mobian has a lot of issues, but when I tried it the first time it was still better than what I was expecting, that's the reason for my enthusiasm
18:56<uuuuuuu>if you are happy with android maybe you don't need it, but the cool part is that if you are already used to debian, mobian works almost the same and that's handy
18:56<uuuuuuu>you can use the the cli programs you are used to on your computer
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18:59<jhutchins>I still don't use my phone much as a general purpose computer. It's voice & mail.
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19:01<uuuuuuu>me neither! but I'd like it to be free software, so hopefully it won't take too much to optimize just the basic functions
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19:11<uuuuuuu>jhutchins: anyway thanks for the chat, man, bye!
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21:05<will0w>does anyone know if there's a shortcut to reference home dir for xdg .desktop entries? $HOME and ~ appear to both not work
21:08<Hash>https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html
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21:11<will0w>didn't see any reference in the spec doc
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21:20<will0w>oh thanks i see it there. that info wasn't in the desktop spec page
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21:36<notsure>when I start an executable it prints errors like "version `GLIBCXX_3.4.26' not found" "version `Qt_5.12' not found" any idea how can I solve it?
21:36<notsure>without recompiling
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21:43<raven523>notsure: if you get errors like that, then wither you're missing libraries, you have different library versions, or you need to recompile
21:44<notsure>yeah, but I do not feel like compiling this today, currently I'm copying libraries by hand, this is the worst solution but hopefully it works without compiling
21:45<raven523>if this is something that you built from source, then compiling is the correct solution
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21:50<notsure>yeah that is the problem, it's a binary I got off the internet to avoid compiling (because my pc is low end)
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21:53<notsure>just a single last error `symbol _dl_fatal_printf version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 with link time reference`
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21:58<Sqrt{not}>notsure, random binaries off the internet are compiled to run in some particular environment. If it is something other than the same debian version you are running there, chances are it is not immediately compatible
21:59<Sqrt{not}>notsure, can you tell us what binary, what version; or is it secret?
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22:00<notsure>let's say it's a secret, but "I trust the binary"
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22:01<notsure>it worked fine on arch linux
22:01<notsure>I think because it have the latest libraries
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22:02<notsure>so I copied most of the libraries that it asked for (which included libc libstdc++ and ld-linux-x86-64)
22:02<Sqrt{not}>OK, that is understandable -- but it is VERY hard for us to guess what we could say here to help you
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22:22<kali_>Nice
22:22<kali_>I I finally made it to q aroom
22:22<kali_>made it to q chat room
22:22<kali_>a*
22:23<sney>!new2irc
22:23<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
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22:29<qrpnxz>alright i rebooted and now /tmp is on tmpfs :)
22:29<qrpnxz>112 gib should be enough
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