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00:07<Epakai>how do I get NFS mounts to actually wait for DHCP? x-systemd.requires=network-online.target seems to be a joke
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00:14<jmcnaught>Epakai: how is networking configured, with /etc/network/interfaces?
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00:16<Epakai>yes
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00:18<jmcnaught>Epakai: try enabling the ifupdown-wait-online.service according to https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ "The right 'wait' service must be enabled too…"
00:22<jmcnaught>Epakai: see also /etc/default/networking
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00:30<Epakai>jmcnaught: /etc/default/networking setting a wait method, and interface seems to have been adequate
00:31<Epakai>thanks
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00:33<Epakai>well, it would be nice if it didn't also delay the X startup
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00:46<sumo>any one up
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00:46<sumo>??
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00:46<sumo>anyone ??
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00:47<Sqrt{not}>hi sumo
00:47<sumo>ooh hey
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00:48<sumo>??
00:48<Sqrt{not}>sumo, this is a debian support channel. do you have a debian question?
00:48<sumo>ya
00:49<Sqrt{not}>debian or mxlinux ?
00:49<sumo>i am a newbie. i would like to know can i set all my traffic to go through onion circuits
00:50<sumo>i am on Mx now
00:50<Sqrt{not}>dselect, tor
00:50<dselect>The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.oftc.net.
00:50<sumo>Does it have something like Anonsurf like in Parrot
00:51<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, mxlinux
00:51<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
00:51<Sqrt{not}>sumo, I'm not familiar with onion routing, but there are some info sources in those bot messages above.
00:52<sumo>is there any services or function similar to Anonsurf in Parrot Os
00:52<sumo>primarily basd in debian
00:53<Sqrt{not}>sumo, try channel #tor on this server
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00:58<Sqrt{not}>sumo, or even channel #tor-project
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01:04<Epakai>multi-user.target wants the mount unit generated by fstab and I can't see a way to change that or make it non-blocking
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01:12<somiaj>Epakai: do you have a unit in fstab you don't want mounted automatically? Include 'noauto' in the options
01:12<somiaj>as for non blocking I'm unsure here, it just assumes if you have a mount listed that if it can't mount it it will block. Though you can just not mount it at boot with noauto, and manually mount it later if needed
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01:15<somiaj>Epakai: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/416640/how-to-disable-systemd-agressive-emergency-shell-behaviour
01:15<Epakai>I want it mounted during boot. I just don't want multi-user/graphical targets to wait on it
01:16<somiaj>Epakai: also seems you can create a nofail.conf unit that will make it so you don't switch to emergency.target if it happens.
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01:16<somiaj>Now I think is probably a bad idea, but that is just me. As for wait, that is a different story, I think it will still wait.
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01:17<somiaj>Though personally I would fix the mount so it mounted or not make it mount on boot if it is intermeditally avilble, but we each have our own use case.
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01:18<somiaj>I think the other option is remove this from fstab, and write an actual .mount unit for this, and you can better configure what happens for this specific mount unit, like include OnFailure=
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01:19<somiaj>hmm, seems you can just add 'nobootwait,nofail' to the mount options in fstab, those might carry over to systemd
01:19<somiaj>(on nevermind, I should read more, this seems to be upstart options)
01:20<somiaj>well I do see 'nofail' as an option in man fstab
01:21<Epakai>I have nofail. Custom unit may be the way to go now that I understand the networking issue
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01:21<somiaj>ahh, you can pass specific stuff to systemd, so 'nofail,x-systemd.device-timeout=9' to set the time out to 9seconds
01:22<somiaj>though all of htis in fstab is just trying to pass info to systemd, a .mount unit just gives you full control once you learn its content
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01:25<Epakai>the mount itself is quite fast so I don't think timeouts will matter, it has to wait for the network to be up though. this is probably too much hassle. I should just go for a static IP configuration and forget fighting systemd
01:26<tizef>hi guys ! I am running a Lenovo E430 and battery indicator get stuck at 31%..... and so I can't charge up to this amount..... any ideas ? I just have found always "need to calibrate battery"..... but even how to do it, calibrating?
01:27<somiaj>well with a mount unit, you could explicty make it use the network-online unit to ensure the network is actually up before trying to mount, systemd does provide lots of configuration, just takes time to learn it
01:27<somiaj>tizef: you sure the battery isn't just going dead? How old is the battery?
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01:29<somiaj>tizef: you also might want to look at your firmware/bios, see if there are any updates so it can report more accurate info to the kernel (recailibration might just make it think that 31% is 100%, but not fix any underlaying issues)
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01:33<sumo>hi again
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01:34<somiaj>tizef: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=160379 suggests that the batery itself stores power info, so you should completely kill it, the completely charge it back up, and then the os can use that info to decide what full vs empty is
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01:41<sussudio>well, not kill it. that would be bad. maybe drain it.
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01:43<somiaj>drain is probably more accurate, but what I meant, no taknig an axe to it
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01:45<tizef>somiaj, sussudio, yeah I have crossed this topic as well tried it, but still it stuck at 31%.....
01:45<tizef>I also have did some test and it shows that battery looks good actually
01:45<tizef>thank you guys
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01:54<ebianite>Anyone else have issues with completely missing microphone after latest round of updates? Pulseaudio restart does nothing.
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03:55<EmleyMoor>www.tvaddons.co seems to be dows
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04:24<redbuzz>Hello, I am trying to install Debian 10 on a system using the network install ISO. To do this I need to use the WiFi card, but its firmware is not included on the network install ISO. I know which package contains the correct firmware; where do I place it within the ISO filesystem for it to be detected and used by the installer?
04:26<jm_>!firmware images
04:26<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>.
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04:26<redbuzz>The images with all of the non-free firmware are significantly larger, and I only need the one package. Is it not possible to just copy the .deb file into the ISO?
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04:27<jm_>ISO images are read-only, you can put it on a separate USB key where installer can load it from, it's explained in the manual
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04:28<jm_>but yes, with correct tools you can recreate ISO image, but it's not a 2min job
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04:28<redbuzz>I see, manual section 6.4 is what I needed
04:28<redbuzz>Thanks
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04:28<jm_>np
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05:13<r4fkramer>Hi all. Please, I'd like to know What could have caused this type of occurrence on my Debian OS, as it is often claimed that Linux systems are very secure, and I update my OS constantly - debian buster 10.9 :
05:13<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1201506/
05:15<ratrace>r4fkramer: first of all, having a file clamav considers "infected" does not in any way mean the system is compromised. It could very well be something you donwloaded, or since that's something in ~/ probably a browser cached js or something like that
05:16<sussudio>r4fkramer: look at whatrever logs clamav creates.
05:16<ratrace>but since you used --remove, I suppose ther's no way now to know and confirm what it was
05:17<ratrace>and speaking of linux security in general.... "often claimed that linux systems are very secure" ... yes IF made such. it's also _VERY_ easy to make them more vulnerable than XP before SP1
05:17<ratrace>properly secured, a GNU/Linux system is _very_ secure. improperly confiugred, it may be _very_ INsecure.
05:17<r4fkramer>Hi ratrace, thank you for answering. In fact, I considered the term 'afected', despite the fact I couldn't believe it was really the case, for I always care about my OS.
05:19<r4fkramer>Fine, sussudio, thank you for answering too. I'll check it after this operation be finished. Thank you :)
05:19<r4fkramer>ratrace, you said: "improperly configured, it may be very insecure"....
05:19<petn-randall>r4fkramer: Last time I used clamav was 10 years ago, and it regularly had false positives on a large samba share. To the point where I disabled it again because it wasn't worth the time.
05:20<petn-randall>No idea if clamav has changed much since then.
05:20<ratrace>r4fkramer: the browser cache can easily be a very, very dark and scary place full of ghosts, goblings, dragons and whatever. it's important to consider that. shiz ends up in there in drive-by fashion just by clicking a link
05:21<ratrace>also the ~/Downloads directory or wherever the browser is configured to store. By default, browsers (firefox and chromium at least) are configured for automatic download there, no user confirm. THAT has been cause of several issues where files are automatically downloaded with user having no clue, due to abuse of that mechanism in browsers, by malicious sites.
05:21<ratrace>Has that been fixed, I don't know.
05:22<r4fkramer>Thank you very much for answering petn-randall. Well, 10 years ago is much time. My Debian didn't behave in a weird way here. But I just installed clamav and used just for curiosity. And I was surprised with this final clamav output. But, according ratrace said....I don't have to be worried about it.
05:22<r4fkramer>I hope so
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05:26<r4fkramer>ratrace, I set firefox to ask me whether or not to accept the download completion. Furthermore, I always look for trustworthy sites (usually ebook sites, official on various topics, in addition to the best known).
05:26<ratrace>r4fkramer: I never said you don't have to be worried about.
05:26<ratrace>also, looking for trustworthy sites doesn't mean a site won't link to a CDN for javascript or ads, and the malware comes down through THAT pipe
05:27<r4fkramer>Sure, you really didn't say that, don't worry. I am declaring that, based on my own responsibility (that is the conclusion I tend to get, after more experienced debian users).
05:27<ratrace>next time it'd be wise to inspect problematic files and understand how they came in, before --remove
05:28<r4fkramer>I see, ratrace. So, there's a relative chance my OS was really infected.
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05:28<r4fkramer>yes, I should have done it now. I was precipitate. Next time, I'll follow your recommendation.
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05:29<ratrace>r4fkramer: it may or may NOT be, that's the whole point. even if you have "infected" files, does not mean the overall security is compromised. OR it may mean just that. it really requires finding the file and understanding how the file got there. And it could also very well be a false positive.
05:31<sussudio>r4fkramer: you only scanned your home dir, that's not your OS.
05:31<r4fkramer>According majority of debian users, could you say that's the more probable hypothesis ? In this case, a false positive ?
05:31<r4fkramer>ratrace, based on your experience, other debian warriors you know, etc....
05:32<ratrace>r4fkramer: I cannot make that estimate.
05:32<r4fkramer>sussudio, yes, it's just the domestic directory.
05:33<r4fkramer>Fine, ratrace, thank you anyway.
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05:34<haxar>the best protection is an informed user
05:35<r4fkramer>please, sussudio, I should scan the whole OS using 'clamscan -r' ?
05:36<r4fkramer>agree haxar. It wasn't my case here.
05:37<ratrace>r4fkramer: it's important to understand what clamscan/clamav even do. the windows mentality of running an antivirus does not really apply on linux.
05:37<ratrace>linux malware comes in ways that are hard or impossible to detect with scans like clamav's. note: hard, so sometimes it _may_ be possible.
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05:38<ratrace>but it's so weak, I'd consider it always just a waste of time and complete false sense of security if a scan turns out nothing.
05:40<r4fkramer>I see, ratrace.
05:40<r4fkramer>Yes, I'm probably carrying certain preconceptions related to windows. Quite frankly, this difference is still not very clear to me when there is confirmation that a Linux OS has finally been infected.
05:41<ratrace>r4fkramer: usually when you see the effects of the infection :)
05:42<ratrace>but it's a very broad subject, far beyond simplistic statements made insofar. information security is complex, layered, multi-faceted.
05:43<petn-randall>r4fkramer: Well, you might be missing some file in your home directory now. And you don't know which file it is.
05:43<ratrace>primary detection of compromise comes through two facets: 1) well defined security policies, 2) monitoring/auditing of said policies' application
05:43<r4fkramer>The question is: how to identify the effects os the infection in a Linux OS. This Debian installation was a bit slow, more than usual. But I'm not so sure if it was related or not to any supposed infection.
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05:44<petn-randall>r4fkramer: You *can* use clamav for it, but I'd never use --remove blindly on it.
05:44<ratrace>r4fkramer: first you have to define the policies, then you observe which process is failing to comply
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05:44<r4fkramer>I have to think about other questions ratrace exposed now, but, please, petn-randall and ratrace, have a look on this output:
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05:45<ratrace>oh come one. clamav is a toy. it can't even detect the windows malware signatures where it's usually used the most.
05:45<ratrace>I ran it for a year in parallel to paid, commercial AV solutions, in scanning email for hundreds of our users. in that single year, the commercial option found many instances and clamav found the whole big grand of: 0 (zero).
05:46<petn-randall>r4fkramer: Also, you need to run from a live system, not from the instance itself. Any malware with root access will be able to hide itself from the malware scanner. This also applies to any other OS, btw.
05:46<ratrace>the only situation where I was lucky with clamav was months after the fact when the signatures finally eventually trickled down, but forget about heuristics.
05:47<r4fkramer>Fine petn-randall. So, I can run it from Debian live media
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05:48<ratrace>yes, but again, don't consider that complete. again, detection comes through defining policies, and observing which process fails to comply.
05:48<petn-randall>r4fkramer: Yes, and then run it once and look at the output, and then decide on anything detected manually. clamav isn't reliable enough to trust it with deleting positives it finds.
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05:48<ratrace>"offline scanning", which would be like scanning from a live USB, as long as the "potentially infected" system is not itself running, is only half the story and relies on _signatures_, which in itself is weak.
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05:49<r4fkramer>ratrace, so clamav is something useless. See that the file in question is this one that was in my r4fkramer user's home directory: https://paste.debian.net/1201511/
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05:49<ratrace>that's a whole load of JOKE right there
05:50<r4fkramer>It's being finished yet.
05:50<r4fkramer>Ok petn-randall, thank your for recommendation.
05:51<ratrace>r4fkramer: is that an instance of Kali you're using there, that you cleverly hostname'd "debian"? :))
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05:53<r4fkramer>ratrace, it's about a documentation related to Kali Distro in .pdf format. And the other information is about 'pdf drive' site
05:53<ratrace>yes.... and I was just wondering if you're really using Kali, cleverly hostname'd "debian".
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05:55<r4fkramer>I have a Kali instance in a virtual machine, now I forgot the name of the application QEMU/KVM I used to install Kali - This vm application is installed in debian buster
05:56<petn-randall>Which is the right way to install Kali ;)
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05:57<r4fkramer>I installed Kali directly in hard disk some years ago, but I gave up the idea. Only use Debian and Slackware in real hardware here. And Debian is my Primary OS - Always.
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05:57<grove>!kali
05:57<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
05:57<ratrace>nice :)
05:57<r4fkramer>This Kali Installation was just for some testing.
06:00<r4fkramer>petn-randall, I was commenting to ratrace about this hypervisor, and now I forgot its name. Please, give me any suggestion - an QEMU/KVM application that is available in stable debian repository...
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06:00<r4fkramer>I really forgot it now. It is on the other laptop. Not here :(
06:01<r4fkramer>a debian user recommended me to install it, from here, debian by OFTC. Well, forget about it. Really tired here.
06:01<ratrace>qemu-kvm (and various libvirt based frontends like virt-manager, gnome boxes, ...), xen and virtualbox are the only hypervisors on linux. I don't know if vmware is something that runs on linux kernel, but there's vmware.
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06:02<ratrace>(and openvz but let's not talk about openvz :) )
06:02<bremner>and nodejs
06:02<bremner>s;cnr
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06:03<r4fkramer>ratrace, yes, virt-manager. Really thank you !
06:04<r4fkramer>I have 'virt-manager' installed in one of my debian installations, ratrace - and Kali 2021.1 as vm running under it
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06:05<ratrace>nice :)
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06:06<r4fkramer>Please ratrace, is openvz another hypervisor based on libvirt, similar to virt-manager, available in debian repository ?
06:06<r4fkramer>I never heard about it
06:06<cpaelzer>r4fkramer: no it is a container solution, not a full hypervisor
06:08<r4fkramer> Fine, cpaelzer, thank you for answering :) I really didn't know about it before.
06:08<r4fkramer>Thank you so much for all the clarifications You gave me. I'm a bit disappointed with this application as, although it's available for installation in debian, it seemed to me to be rather useless.
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06:09<petn-randall>r4fkramer: It's a little better when you update the signatures first, but clamav has always been bad compared to other malware scanners.
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06:10<r4fkramer>Please petn-randall, Do you have any suggestions for another better app for this purpose?
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06:12<r4fkramer>I need to research more, based on the analysis and recommendations that ratrace gave me, which suggests to me that this question is quite technical, and requires a much greater critical sense than I am used to (thinking more like a Debian Administrator, in this case, I think I let this be one of the points)
06:13<ratrace>r4fkramer: no single "app" exists that satisfies those purposes best. again, proper detection comes through defining security policies and then observing which process fails to comply. the only "offline" ways to "scan" are, again in line with said policies, you observe which filesystem parts are misaligned with the policy, and you apply a program (like clamav) that checks for patterns and signatures, but
06:13<ratrace>that's the weakest tool.
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06:15<r4fkramer>Fine, ratrace, I will think a lot about your analysis and recommendations - also about analysis petn-randall has passed me. Really thank you very much for attention and Great Support !;)
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06:17<r4fkramer>sussudio, thank you very much for hints also :)
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07:07<Guest2513>hi - anyone know a telegram client i can use on whonix?
07:07<sussudio>!whonix
07:07<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
07:08<Guest2513>cheers
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09:08<otisolsen70>In order to play some game (minecraft), I need openjdk-17. This is only available in unstable. I am currently on stable. Do you recommend that I "upgrade" to debian unstable? And if so, what is the safest way of doing that?
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09:10<ratrace>,v openjdk-17-jre
09:10<judd>Package: openjdk-17-jre on amd64 -- bullseye: 17~19-1; sid: 17~24-1
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09:11<ratrace>otisolsen70: it's also available on Bullseye which is slated to become stable "very soon". Maybe, if you want to upgrade, it'd be better to go Bullseye
09:11<ratrace>saying this with all the usual labels and warnings about running Testing, even frozen, even this close to release.
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09:12<otisolsen70>Could I install it as a backports?
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09:14<grove>,checkbackport openjdk-17-jre
09:15<judd>Backporting package openjdk-17-jre in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debugedit (>= 4.16), jtreg (>= 5.1-b1-0~) <!nocheck>, g++-10 <!cross>, openjdk-17-jdk-headless:native | openjdk-16-jdk-headless:native, openjdk-17-jdk-headless <cross>.
09:15<ratrace>whoops.
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09:15<grove>Seems like that would be a lot of work
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09:48<otisolsen70>Alright.
09:48<otisolsen70>ratrace, is bullseye testing?
09:49<ratrace>otisolsen70: yes, at the moment
09:49<otisolsen70>ratrace, what is the recommended way of upgrading to bullseje? Just s/buster/bullseye/g in sources.list
09:49<otisolsen70>?
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09:50<ratrace>yes, s/... and temporarily commend out security and backports , if you ahve them. also take the opportunity to change buster/updates to bullseye-security and futureproof it when you uncomment it, when bullseye becomes stable
09:50<tia3100>Check in release notes
09:50<tia3100>https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/
09:50<tia3100>For upgrading, you will find details there
09:52<otisolsen70>ratrace, alright.
09:52<ratrace>otisolsen70: and yes check the release notes
09:52<otisolsen70>OK
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10:01<krono_>ju guys!
10:02<krono_>*hi
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10:10<apteryx>how does apt decide if a package should be updated?
10:10<apteryx>the version string?
10:10<imMute>apteryx: yes, if there's a package available with a higher version number.
10:11<imMute>package priorities do play into it a little bit, but by default the highest version number wins.
10:11<themill>a combination of version, pinning and a version identification algo that uses other metadata
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10:11<apteryx>OK, thanks
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10:13<imMute>apteryx: if you're curious how the version string comparison works, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version describes the process.
10:13<apteryx>it is possible to have it used the mtime of the package on the repository? I'm generating .deb with Guix, and deriving a monotonically increasing version string from a random hash doesn't seem doable.
10:14<imMute>no. it'
10:14<apteryx>ok
10:14<imMute>no. it's based on the version string
10:14<imMute>you could use a date code though.
10:14<imMute>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#version-numbers-based-on-dates
10:14<apteryx>that'd break reproducibility, which I'd like to avoid
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10:14<imMute>base the date on the date of the commit
10:15<apteryx>Ah! Thanks for the idea.
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10:16<apteryx>alternatively allow the user to pass their own control file to the 'guix pack -f deb' command; now that's their problem ;-)
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10:39<scorpion2185[m]>I can't use `yowsup-cli` , does it work on testing ?
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10:39<scorpion2185[m]>param: b'authkey'
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10:42<otisolsen70>ratrace, is this the right sources.list? https://paste.yt/p15272.html Not sure I did it correct with the security and updates sources
10:42<otisolsen70>ratrace, I did s/buster/bullseye/ and then uncommented the two lines that included security.debian.org.
10:43<themill>it's bullseye-security not bullseye/updates
10:44<otisolsen70>themill, oh, so like this? https://paste.yt/p15273.html
10:44<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: Did you read the documentation of it? I'm pretty sure you must configure things before you can even use it.
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10:45<scorpion2185[m]>yes I am configuring it https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/issues/2985
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10:47<ratrace>otisolsen70: you need to keep it as you had SO FAR for buster, change "buster" to "bullseye" AND do this change: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#security-archive
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10:47<ratrace>otisolsen70: but keep in mind that RIGHT NOW, while Bullseye is still Testing, there's no bullseye-security, so comment those out and DO REMEMBER to uncommend once it goes stable
10:48<ratrace>!sources.list
10:48<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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10:49<otisolsen70>ratrace, I think I have it correctly now: https://paste.yt/p15274.html
10:50<ratrace>otisolsen70: looks good, except why no contrib and non-free in bullseye-updates ?
10:50<otisolsen70>ratrace, will add that
10:51<ratrace>don't forget to uncomment the security repo once it goes stable :)
10:51<otisolsen70>ratrace, ok
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10:52<themill>ratrace: bullseye-security certainly does exist alraedy
10:52<themill>has done for ages
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10:53<ratrace>oh? wait what?
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10:55<ratrace>huh.... indeed... then what doesn't, "testing-security"?
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10:56<ratrace>otisolsen70: it seems I'm totally wrong about bullseye-security, you can uncomment it now
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11:01<otisolsen70>ratrace, cool. Thanks
11:01<switchnode>hello. i am trying to build some software which depends on a library, zstd, i have installed locally, but configure cannot find it.
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11:01<switchnode>i am supplying --prefix=$HOME/.local to configure; ~/.local/share/config.site includes 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$HOME/.local/lib/pkgconfig'; i have manually sourced it and checked the value of PKG_CONFIG_PATH just in case; $HOME/.local/lib/pkgconfig contains libzstd.pc, which assigns the absolute path to ~/.local/ as 'prefix' and goes on in the usual way; ~/.local/include and ~/.local/lib
11:01<switchnode>contain zstd.h and libzstd.so respectively.
11:01<switchnode>yet configure STILL errors out with "zstd not found". what am i missing?
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11:04<bremner>switchnode: alas, that's probably specific to the software you are attempting to build
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11:06<Sqrt{not}>switchnode, debian buster already includes versions of both those files, can you just use those?
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11:07<JCWasmx86>Is there any way of getting a newer kernel version (5.12) without compiling it yourself?
11:08<Sqrt{not}>,kernels
11:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-7-686 (5.10.40-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-7-686 (5.10.40-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
11:08<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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11:08<Sqrt{not}>JCWasmx86, looks like not yet
11:09<JCWasmx86>Ok well, then I fear I have to compile it myself :/ Thanks for your answer
11:09<ratrace>JCWasmx86: using upstreams debian specific make target and just apt installing the product, right?
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11:09<switchnode>bremner: i've successfully built this software in the past, and no changes since then leap out to me as obviously related. do you have any suggestions as to where to look for the problem?
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11:10<switchnode>Sqrt{not}: no; it is not my machine.
11:10<JCWasmx86>Should be like that. Just the configuration will be a bit time-consuming, as just using "make allyesconfig" somehow doesn't work quite good
11:10<JCWasmx86>And the config file from debian is not complete.
11:10<bremner>switchnode: I'm not familar with .local/share/config.site, so I guess I can't help
11:11<JCWasmx86>*For the newer kernel versions, as things like some BPF-JIT or so were added and a lot of other things
11:11<bremner>switchnode: you had zstd installed in the same place before?
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11:12<Sqrt{not}>switchnode, that is a complicated chain of configuration to find those libraries. one thing to check is permissions of all affected files (and their directory trees)
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11:14<ratrace>JCWasmx86: for me it was a few minutes of work based on 5.10 from bullseye, and it was mostly a N with a few M "just in case"
11:14<ratrace>I definitely would not want a Y on all those new options and modules.
11:16<JCWasmx86>Well, as I was not sure, what I will need, I just added everything, but somehow I think I messed up somewhere
11:17<wyre>hi guys, does NetworkManager autodetect the connected nic?
11:18<ratrace>JCWasmx86: then at least build M and not Y for all that esoteric hardware
11:18<wyre>because for some reason is trying to use an unplugged nic instead the one is actually plugged
11:18<JCWasmx86>Ok I try it at the moment
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11:19<switchnode>bremner: sort of--the operators changed the disk naming scheme in such a way that the absolute path of $HOME is now different, but i've updated libzstd.pc accordingly.
11:19<switchnode>Sqrt{not}: everything i've mentioned is owned by me; everything is 755 except ~/.local/share (700), ~/.local/share/config.site (600), ~/.local/lib/pkgconfig/libzstd.pc (644), and ~/.local/include/zstd.h (644).
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11:21<petn-randall>wyre: What do you mean with "use"? It'll only configure network interfaces you have set up in n-m.
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11:25<wyre>petn-randall, I've got 3 ethernet interfaces, eno1, enp2s0 and enp3s0, when I boot the system with eno1 physically connected, the `nmcli` output says: "eno1: disconnected" and "enp2s0 connecting (getting IP configuration) to Wired connection 1"
11:25<wyre>which is strange because enp2s0 is not physically connected
11:25<wyre>and it's not detecting eno1 as physically connected 😥
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11:27<wyre>I can see it has a connection saved in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
11:27<wyre>but it's not defined the nic for this connection in this file 🤔
11:27<wyre>so I don't know why it's trying to use enp2s0 when it's not physically connected
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11:30<wyre>hmm, interesting, ... I've deleted the connection with `nmcli con del "Wired connection 1"` and I've rebooted the system and now I have 3 new connections
11:30<wyre>apparently it has created a new one for eno1 which is working as expected
11:30<wyre>but it's still trying to get IP for enp2s0 when it's not even physically connected 😥
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11:32<tia3100>Do you have anything configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
11:32<tia3100>Maybe it isifupdown trying to set it up?
11:32<wyre>tia3100, nope
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11:33<wyre>it's empty and there is nothing inside interfaces.d either
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11:34<jhutchins>wyre: What release are you on?
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11:35<wyre>jhutchins, buster
11:35<wyre>10.9
11:35<jhutchins>wyre: kernel?
11:36<wyre>jhutchins, 4.19.0-16-amd64
11:36<jhutchins>So that's stock... Desktop?
11:36<wyre>anyway ... I've removed the other 2 connection created and it's working as expected 🤔
11:36<petn-randall>wyre: What does `ethtool <ifname>` and `mii-tool <ifname>` return?
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11:36<wyre>petn-randall, I haven't got that tools installed
11:37<petn-randall>You can install them.
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11:41<switchnode>bremner, Sqrt{not}: figured it out--i _set_ PKG_CONFIG_PATH but forgot to _export_ it, so pkg-config couldn't actually see it. my bad
11:41<Sqrt{not}>switchnode, OK, good job
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11:42<bremner>switchnode: cool. OOC is config.site something that pkg-config automatically looks for?
11:44<switchnode>bremner: pkg-config itself doesn't, but autoconf-generated ./configure files start by sourcing $prefix/share/config.site if it exists. https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/config_002esite.html (needless to say i neglected to export it in the config.site file as well)
11:45<bremner>ah, ok. thanks
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11:46<keycollector>How do i make my ssh connection not timeout for a single session? I believe there was a way to set a varible to make it not timeout after establishing the connection?
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11:48<rjsalts>keycollector, you might be referring to ServerAliveInterval
11:49<imMute>there is also TCPKeepAlive, which works at a lower layer but should accomplish the same thing.
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11:49<petn-randall>keycollector: Is your firewall dropping connections? Because it shouldn't timeout in the first place.
11:49<rjsalts>no, it only tests connectivity between you and the server
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11:50<rjsalts>if your firewall has an idle limit on a tcp session then you want ServerAliveInterval
11:50<imMute>rjsalts: TCPKeepAlive won't keep the firewall session active?
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11:52<rjsalts>imMute: no, because it establishes TCP connectivity by attempting a three way handshake with the target machine
11:53<rjsalts>it won't be part of the open ssh session
11:53<rjsalts>which the firewall will terminate after being unused for a while
11:53<imMute>rjsalts: that doesn't make sense. TCP Keep Alives (the thing that option turns on) happens on the TCP connection that SSH is using.
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11:55<don>Hello
11:55<don>works
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11:55<rjsalts>well, the man page says you want ServerAliveInterval in the TCPKeepAlive entry
11:56<rjsalts>and I got disconnected by firewalls a bunch when using TCPKeepAlive rather than ServerAliveInterval
11:56<don> I just reloaded my system to 10.3 Buster and want to set up the printer scanner. I need some info on how to do that. The install found the printer
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11:57<imMute>rjsalts: I suppose a firewall could be programmed to not consider TCP keepalive messages as keeping the connection active. but that would explicitly break the entire point of TCP keepalives.
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11:57<don>a "Color LaserJet Pro MFP M182nw" but it did not set up the scanner portion. what is needed to set that up?
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11:59<sussudio>!sane
11:59<dpkg>Scanner Access Now Easy (SANE) is an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net.
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12:00<keycollector>I believe its coming from SSHD Configuration which is required for compliance.
12:01<rjsalts>it was a long while ago, when ServerAliveInterval wasn't a thing and I was using the debian specific option ProtocolKeepAlives
12:01<keycollector>ClientAliveInterval 600
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12:01<keycollector>i assume id want to overwrite that?
12:02<rjsalts>if you have a firewall that disconnects things more frequently than every 10 minutes
12:03<keycollector>Yeah, we dont have any firewalls for this specific connection
12:03<rjsalts>then it may not help
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12:05<Sqrt{not}>dpkg sane =~ s/freenode.net/libera.chat/
12:05<dpkg>Sqrt{not}: OK
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12:07<keycollector>gotcha, yeah, had to read what ClientAliveInterval is doing.. that probably wont help then
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12:11<imMute>ClientAliveInterval and TCPKeepAlive essentially do the same thing (send a bit of data periodically so intermediate firewalls keep the session "active"), they just do it at different levels in the TCP/IP stack
12:12<Sqrt{not}>keycollector, i have ServerAliveInterval 240 in /etc/ssh/ssh_config for the _client_ machine
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12:17<sussudio>#sane on libera is not registered and there's only 6 people in it
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12:27<Sqrt{not}>sussudio, is it better on freenode?
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12:28<TheHoliestRoger>freenode is dead
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12:31<bremner>nowai!
12:31<bremner>err, sorry, I thought this was ##freenode. Anyway, correct, there is no more debian support on freenode
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12:32<bremner>I doubt there is a big community on freenode, if the libera version is empty. I'd look to a mailing list or web forum before freenode
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12:35<sussudio>Sqrt{not}: freenode is dead.
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12:36<britho>bremner: Libera is alive and well
12:36<britho>For #debian
12:36<britho>And basically everything else :D
12:37<Sqrt{not}>so, 6 people in an unregistered channel is still better than nothing?
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12:37<britho>Sorry I joined late, which channel are you talking about?
12:37<bremner>#sane
12:38<britho>Ah sorry, no idea what that channel is even for if it's not a reference to mental health.
12:39<sussudio>depends on your attitude towards scanners, i guess.
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13:14<redlegion>britho: you see what Andrew Lee has been up to lately? banned irccloud because it made him have the sads. what a freaking man-baby.
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13:18<tizef>lol
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13:20<britho>Yeah he's like some weird hybrid between Trumpism and leftism
13:20<britho>I hope his breed doesn't replicate
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13:23<sussudio>let's hope karma exists and he gets eaten by a dog.
13:25<j_arun_mani>Hello. Do https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ and https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ point to same resource? :)
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13:25<sussudio>why don't you go to them and find out?
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13:27<j_arun_mani>I did and they have the same content :P Still wanted to know about it? :')
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13:30<britho>j_arun_mani, Just by reading the links I would deduce that they are the same content although don't point to the same files since they are hosted on an Apache server by the looks of it.
13:30<britho>Most likely duplicates
13:30<sussudio>redlegion: the petulant pile of manchile dropped all nick and channel registrations 2 days ago.
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13:31<j_arun_mani>britho, I checked the checksums and they work too. So as you said, prolly should be duplicates
13:31<redlegion>sussudio: saw that as well, he also ditched the original servers and rolled out his own with the freenode domain
13:31<j_arun_mani>Thanks folks!
13:32<sussudio>redlegion: apparently he tried to set up a fake modeling agency in LA in the past, only to turn it into a brothel for his "friends". i see no reason why people like this should exist.
13:33<britho>j_arun_mani, nice
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13:50<scorpion2185[m]>can you use `yowsup-cli? I can't on stable (who knows on testing)
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15:14<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], just a thought -- have you tried running your yowsup-cli as a non-root user?
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15:45<linuxdeb>hi
15:45<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: no should I try?
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15:47<linuxdeb>i have a questiom
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15:47<scorpion2185[m]>I tried same error, why root shouldn't work?
15:47<linuxdeb>how can i fix usernme is not in sudoers file??
15:48<imMute>linuxdeb: add your user to the "sudo" group.
15:48<jmcnaught>linuxdeb: as root ("su -l") use the command "adduser username sudo"
15:48<linuxdeb>ok
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15:49<imMute>jmcnaught: you might want to be explicit about which parts of that command is literal and which parts are supposed to be replaced
15:50<jmcnaught>imMute: good point, I'm never sure the best way to do this though, because adding punctuation that is to be removed might also not be obvious
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15:51<imMute>jmcnaught: true. I suppose any convention you use would have to be learned/explained
15:51<linuxdeb>i tried what you said but it doesn't work if i try something like 'sudo nano'
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15:51<imMute>linuxdeb: you need to log out and back in
15:51<linuxdeb>oh that's right
15:51<linuxdeb>see you soon!!
15:51<jmcnaught>the newgrp command might also work
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15:54<imMute>jmcnaught: I don't think it matters how you make the change, you need to log out/in for it to take effect
15:54<imMute>jmcnaught: note that "log in" can mean many things, like starting a new terminal emulator window within the DE.
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15:57<uc50ic4more>Friends, is there a way to download a .deb and have apt(-get) install the file? I know it could trivially be done in two commands BUT what I am downloading is http://path/to/latest.deb and cannot be certain of naming and versioning in the downloaded file. When wget https://path-to/latest.deb | sudo apt-get install didn't work I headed here. :)
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15:58<sarnold>uc50ic4more: wget https://whatever/... ; sudo apt install ./whatever.deb
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15:59<uc50ic4more>sarnold But I don't know what the final name of the file would be: "latest.deb" is a symlink to a name and version # that is dynamic and I'd like to script this.
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15:59<imMute>uc50ic4more: you can tell wget what to name the downloaded file
16:00<imMute>-O whatever.deb I think?
16:00<uc50ic4more>inMute Holy crap I knew the instant I floated this question on IRC someone would say something obvious and I would be terribly stupid. Thanks!
16:01<sarnold>uc50ic4more: oh! I hadn't noticed that part, sorry :) good job imMute's always vigilant :)
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16:02<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/issues/2985
16:02<merazi_[m]>Greetings 😃
16:02<tia3100>hello
16:03<linuxdeb>sudo finally works!!
16:03<linuxdeb>thanks everyone
16:06<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], no idea, sorry
16:07<linuxdeb>i want to answer the uc50ic4more's question: to unite two commands, type this:
16:08<linuxdeb>command1 && command2
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16:11<uc50ic4more>linuxdeb - Thanks: My problem was that when downloading a symlinked file; ie. "latest.deb" I would not know what the resultant file name/ version would be and therefore could not non-interactively script its installation. Specifying the output file name via wget or curl is the solution.
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16:12<linuxdeb>ok
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17:44<Sos>hi
17:45<sarnold>hello Sos
17:45<Sos>how can i get debian to l;ist all device hardware IDs it can find?
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17:46<sarnold>sosreport may do that, it feels likely to know how to gather gobs of IDs
17:46<Sos>alright let em try this
17:46<Sos>I'm on RISC-V so everything is janky
17:47<sarnold>if it doesn't, lspci, lsusb, lshw, dmidecode, all likely to to contribute to whatever solution you may need to build
17:47<Sos>wanted to get some drivers working but need to find otu what kind of rivers i need
17:47<Sos>thank you
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17:55<somiaj>lshw is fairly detailed about all hardware
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18:04<Sos>thanks
18:04<Sos>i'll let it compile sdl first
18:04<Sos>it doesn't seem this thing can handle two tasks at the same time
18:04<sarnold>heh
18:05<Sos>it barely manages to render LXDE
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18:07<realtime-neil>Sos: dmidecode is pretty sweet for dumping firmware details.
18:08<Sos>firmware details? i think there's only uboot on this
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18:08<Sos>but thank's i'll try it
18:09<realtime-neil>Sos: dare I ask if it's running a UEFI firmware?
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18:09<Sos>i'm not sure, but I read it's apparently able to
18:10<Sos>the google dtranslated chinese docs are pretty hard to follow
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18:10<lhvf>Hello to Everyone! Following the conversation here by the logs: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/06/17 >, I could suggest some command parameters hat could help Sos to find out properly his current hardware (at least on 'PCI IDs', in the case):
18:10<Sos>but RISC-V has these boot layers that extend into rings, from what i understood
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18:14<lhvf>' lscpi -vvv > lspci_vvv.txt ' ; lpsci -k -v -nn > lspci _k_v_nn ; lshw -C Video > lspci_C_Video.txt ; (all wihtout " ' "(single quote) and 'dmidecode' to find fimrware rom versions;
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18:14<lhvf>And I also could sugest the handy: ' inxi '.
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18:16<lhvf>[...] I could suggest some commands parameters *that* could help Sos to find out properlyhis current hardware [...]
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18:16<Sos>this is great stuff lhvf thank you
18:16<lhvf>[...] suggest [...]
18:17<Sos>are you ok?
18:17<lhvf>' lscpi -vvv > lspci_vvv.txt ' ; lpsci -k -v -nn > lspci _k_v_nn.txt ; lshw -C Video.txt > lspci_C_Video.txt ;
18:17<lhvf>Sos: Yes, I'm fine.
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18:18<Sos>:)
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18:20<lhvf>Just fixing the 'typos' ;)
18:20<lhvf>[...] lshw -C Video > lshw_C_Video.txt [...]
18:21<Sos>ahh thanks
18:21<sarnold>most folks on irc are good at reading past typos, normally you only need to fix the ones that affect the meaning of what you're trying to say
18:21<Sos>i'm now not sure this board actually has any hardware
18:21<Sos>it's compiling sdl for 30 minutes now
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18:24<Sos>lshw is not installed wow
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18:24<Sos>i had to pull wget from ports even
18:24<sarnold>heh, ubuntu's builder took 54 minutes to build libsdl2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/2.0.14+dfsg2-3/+build/20899552
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18:26<Sos>ok lshw is not what i'm looking for
18:26<lhvf>Sos: When you know certain what Kernel Driver Module that your Linux Distribution is running in, you could also extract the credits and rights of the Developers, and the Group etc.., with ' modinfo' command (also tried it on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu past versions prior 4.x.y Kernel).
18:26<Sos>i wanmt PnP HIDs
18:27<Sos>not installed drivers
18:27<Sos>i wand HIDs of stuff that's actually not installed
18:27<Sos>so that i can build drivers for them
18:28<Sos>perhaps i can jsut walkt throguh /dev?
18:28<Sos>can i find hids there?
18:28<sarnold>probably not
18:28<sarnold>/sys maybe
18:28<sarnold>lots of juicy stuff in /sys
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18:33<Sos>lspci doesn't work there's no pci bus
18:33<sarnold>no pci?? wow these things are a lot different than I expected
18:33<Sos>says it can't open proc/bus/pci
18:34<sarnold>does dmesg | grep -i pci concur?
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18:35<Sos>yup
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18:36<Sos>prolly everything is connected via spi / i2c
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18:46<lhvf>Sos: Look at this website: < https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/RISC-V/Installing > → ' Additionally, when using older software components you won't get PCI support, and so enabling graphics will not be possible. '
18:49<lhvf>Sos: ' https://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/ports/updates/42.3/aarch64/hwinfo-21.57-9.1.aarch64.html ' → (Example of Software that finds out RISC-V Hardware: ' *hwinfo*'): → *- Add support for RISC-V*
18:49<lhvf>That stuff could elp anyway?
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18:50<lhvf>*help*
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18:54<lhvf>More others useful links: < https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#What_is_RISC-V.3F > ; < https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hwinfo > .
18:56<lhvf>< https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#Resources > → IRC irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org (https://www.oftc.net/) → #debian-riscv
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19:09<lhvf>Since the ' hwinfo-21.57-9.1' is the first version with → * support for RISC-V * then Debian 10 ( Buster condename )is the *first* Distro Release with this Hardware support → < https://packages.debian.org/buster/hwinfo > ( Package: hwinfo (21.63-3) ).
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19:27<uc50ic4more>I was an Ubuntu user when Buster came out: Would anyone here happen to know what kind of delay exists between the release of Stable and Google Cloud Platform beginning to offer it as a VM image? Is it days? Weeks? (gulp) Months?
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19:34<sney>uc50ic4more: I'm not sure what their timeline is exactly, but some recommend not upgrading in production until the first point release (so for bullseye, that'd be 11.1) - for buster it was about 2 months in between 10.0 and 10.1
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19:36<MTecknology>I used to always have my production fleet on frozen testing about a month before release.
19:38<uc50ic4more>I certainly agree with waiting until a point release to migrate anything mission-critical; but I have a small handful of less integral machines that I intend to use specifically to kick the tires on Bullseye in some real-world situations.
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19:42<uc50ic4more>Already I've spun up some Free Tier machines and (full-)upgraded bare installations to Bullseye and everything went as smoothly as one would expect.
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22:41<and1_>Hello, hola a todos por acá
22:42<and1_>estoy teniendo problemas con mi equipo, alguien que pueda ayudar?
22:42<sney>!es
22:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
22:43<and1_>debhelper can you helpme please?
22:44<sney>and1_: debhelper is a bot, if you can ask your question in english then go ahead
22:44<and1_>thank you @sney
22:45<and1_>I have some problems with my new laptop
22:45<and1_>is a HP pavilion gamming 15
22:46<and1_>and I can not configure nvidia driver
22:47<and1_>if I try to configure xorg.conf with command: nvidia-xconfig --prime, then I restart my computer and got black screen
22:48<and1_>xrandr --listproviders
22:48<and1_>Providers: number : 1
22:48<and1_>Provider 0: id: 0x43 cap: 0x2, Sink Output crtcs: 3 outputs: 1 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
22:49<ymusachio>and1_: You can try this steps: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
22:50<and1_>I have debian buster with nvidia-driver from backports because and kernel 5.10
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22:52<and1_>Linux debian 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1~bpo10+1 (2021-03-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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