| --- | Log | opened Thu Jun 17 00:00:00 2021 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Jun 17 2021 |
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| 00:07 | <Epakai> | how do I get NFS mounts to actually wait for DHCP? x-systemd.requires=network-online.target seems to be a joke |
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| 00:14 | <jmcnaught> | Epakai: how is networking configured, with /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 00:16 | <Epakai> | yes |
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| 00:18 | <jmcnaught> | Epakai: try enabling the ifupdown-wait-online.service according to https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ "The right 'wait' service must be enabled too…" |
| 00:22 | <jmcnaught> | Epakai: see also /etc/default/networking |
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| 00:30 | * | chuangzhu |
| 00:30 | <Epakai> | jmcnaught: /etc/default/networking setting a wait method, and interface seems to have been adequate |
| 00:31 | <Epakai> | thanks |
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| 00:33 | <Epakai> | well, it would be nice if it didn't also delay the X startup |
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| 00:46 | <sumo> | any one up |
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| 00:46 | <sumo> | ?? |
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| 00:46 | <sumo> | anyone ?? |
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| 00:47 | <Sqrt{not}> | hi sumo |
| 00:47 | <sumo> | ooh hey |
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| 00:48 | <sumo> | ?? |
| 00:48 | <Sqrt{not}> | sumo, this is a debian support channel. do you have a debian question? |
| 00:48 | <sumo> | ya |
| 00:49 | <Sqrt{not}> | debian or mxlinux ? |
| 00:49 | <sumo> | i am a newbie. i would like to know can i set all my traffic to go through onion circuits |
| 00:50 | <sumo> | i am on Mx now |
| 00:50 | <Sqrt{not}> | dselect, tor |
| 00:50 | <dselect> | The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:50 | <sumo> | Does it have something like Anonsurf like in Parrot |
| 00:51 | <Sqrt{not}> | dpkg, mxlinux |
| 00:51 | <dpkg> | MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 00:51 | <Sqrt{not}> | sumo, I'm not familiar with onion routing, but there are some info sources in those bot messages above. |
| 00:52 | <sumo> | is there any services or function similar to Anonsurf in Parrot Os |
| 00:52 | <sumo> | primarily basd in debian |
| 00:53 | <Sqrt{not}> | sumo, try channel #tor on this server |
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| 00:58 | <Sqrt{not}> | sumo, or even channel #tor-project |
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| 01:04 | <Epakai> | multi-user.target wants the mount unit generated by fstab and I can't see a way to change that or make it non-blocking |
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| 01:12 | <somiaj> | Epakai: do you have a unit in fstab you don't want mounted automatically? Include 'noauto' in the options |
| 01:12 | <somiaj> | as for non blocking I'm unsure here, it just assumes if you have a mount listed that if it can't mount it it will block. Though you can just not mount it at boot with noauto, and manually mount it later if needed |
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| 01:15 | <somiaj> | Epakai: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/416640/how-to-disable-systemd-agressive-emergency-shell-behaviour |
| 01:15 | <Epakai> | I want it mounted during boot. I just don't want multi-user/graphical targets to wait on it |
| 01:16 | <somiaj> | Epakai: also seems you can create a nofail.conf unit that will make it so you don't switch to emergency.target if it happens. |
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| 01:16 | <somiaj> | Now I think is probably a bad idea, but that is just me. As for wait, that is a different story, I think it will still wait. |
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| 01:17 | <somiaj> | Though personally I would fix the mount so it mounted or not make it mount on boot if it is intermeditally avilble, but we each have our own use case. |
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| 01:18 | <somiaj> | I think the other option is remove this from fstab, and write an actual .mount unit for this, and you can better configure what happens for this specific mount unit, like include OnFailure= |
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| 01:19 | <somiaj> | hmm, seems you can just add 'nobootwait,nofail' to the mount options in fstab, those might carry over to systemd |
| 01:19 | <somiaj> | (on nevermind, I should read more, this seems to be upstart options) |
| 01:20 | <somiaj> | well I do see 'nofail' as an option in man fstab |
| 01:21 | <Epakai> | I have nofail. Custom unit may be the way to go now that I understand the networking issue |
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| 01:21 | <somiaj> | ahh, you can pass specific stuff to systemd, so 'nofail,x-systemd.device-timeout=9' to set the time out to 9seconds |
| 01:22 | <somiaj> | though all of htis in fstab is just trying to pass info to systemd, a .mount unit just gives you full control once you learn its content |
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| 01:25 | <Epakai> | the mount itself is quite fast so I don't think timeouts will matter, it has to wait for the network to be up though. this is probably too much hassle. I should just go for a static IP configuration and forget fighting systemd |
| 01:26 | <tizef> | hi guys ! I am running a Lenovo E430 and battery indicator get stuck at 31%..... and so I can't charge up to this amount..... any ideas ? I just have found always "need to calibrate battery"..... but even how to do it, calibrating? |
| 01:27 | <somiaj> | well with a mount unit, you could explicty make it use the network-online unit to ensure the network is actually up before trying to mount, systemd does provide lots of configuration, just takes time to learn it |
| 01:27 | <somiaj> | tizef: you sure the battery isn't just going dead? How old is the battery? |
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| 01:29 | <somiaj> | tizef: you also might want to look at your firmware/bios, see if there are any updates so it can report more accurate info to the kernel (recailibration might just make it think that 31% is 100%, but not fix any underlaying issues) |
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| 01:33 | <sumo> | hi again |
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| 01:34 | <somiaj> | tizef: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=160379 suggests that the batery itself stores power info, so you should completely kill it, the completely charge it back up, and then the os can use that info to decide what full vs empty is |
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| 01:41 | <sussudio> | well, not kill it. that would be bad. maybe drain it. |
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| 01:43 | <somiaj> | drain is probably more accurate, but what I meant, no taknig an axe to it |
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| 01:45 | <tizef> | somiaj, sussudio, yeah I have crossed this topic as well tried it, but still it stuck at 31%..... |
| 01:45 | <tizef> | I also have did some test and it shows that battery looks good actually |
| 01:45 | <tizef> | thank you guys |
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| 03:55 | <EmleyMoor> | www.tvaddons.co seems to be dows |
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| 04:24 | <redbuzz> | Hello, I am trying to install Debian 10 on a system using the network install ISO. To do this I need to use the WiFi card, but its firmware is not included on the network install ISO. I know which package contains the correct firmware; where do I place it within the ISO filesystem for it to be detected and used by the installer? |
| 04:26 | <jm_> | !firmware images |
| 04:26 | <dpkg> | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
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| 04:26 | <redbuzz> | The images with all of the non-free firmware are significantly larger, and I only need the one package. Is it not possible to just copy the .deb file into the ISO? |
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| 04:27 | <jm_> | ISO images are read-only, you can put it on a separate USB key where installer can load it from, it's explained in the manual |
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| 04:28 | <jm_> | but yes, with correct tools you can recreate ISO image, but it's not a 2min job |
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| 04:28 | <redbuzz> | I see, manual section 6.4 is what I needed |
| 04:28 | <redbuzz> | Thanks |
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| 04:28 | <jm_> | np |
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| 05:13 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all. Please, I'd like to know What could have caused this type of occurrence on my Debian OS, as it is often claimed that Linux systems are very secure, and I update my OS constantly - debian buster 10.9 : |
| 05:13 | <r4fkramer> | https://paste.debian.net/1201506/ |
| 05:15 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: first of all, having a file clamav considers "infected" does not in any way mean the system is compromised. It could very well be something you donwloaded, or since that's something in ~/ probably a browser cached js or something like that |
| 05:16 | <sussudio> | r4fkramer: look at whatrever logs clamav creates. |
| 05:16 | <ratrace> | but since you used --remove, I suppose ther's no way now to know and confirm what it was |
| 05:17 | <ratrace> | and speaking of linux security in general.... "often claimed that linux systems are very secure" ... yes IF made such. it's also _VERY_ easy to make them more vulnerable than XP before SP1 |
| 05:17 | <ratrace> | properly secured, a GNU/Linux system is _very_ secure. improperly confiugred, it may be _very_ INsecure. |
| 05:17 | <r4fkramer> | Hi ratrace, thank you for answering. In fact, I considered the term 'afected', despite the fact I couldn't believe it was really the case, for I always care about my OS. |
| 05:19 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, sussudio, thank you for answering too. I'll check it after this operation be finished. Thank you :) |
| 05:19 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, you said: "improperly configured, it may be very insecure".... |
| 05:19 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: Last time I used clamav was 10 years ago, and it regularly had false positives on a large samba share. To the point where I disabled it again because it wasn't worth the time. |
| 05:20 | <petn-randall> | No idea if clamav has changed much since then. |
| 05:20 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: the browser cache can easily be a very, very dark and scary place full of ghosts, goblings, dragons and whatever. it's important to consider that. shiz ends up in there in drive-by fashion just by clicking a link |
| 05:21 | <ratrace> | also the ~/Downloads directory or wherever the browser is configured to store. By default, browsers (firefox and chromium at least) are configured for automatic download there, no user confirm. THAT has been cause of several issues where files are automatically downloaded with user having no clue, due to abuse of that mechanism in browsers, by malicious sites. |
| 05:21 | <ratrace> | Has that been fixed, I don't know. |
| 05:22 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you very much for answering petn-randall. Well, 10 years ago is much time. My Debian didn't behave in a weird way here. But I just installed clamav and used just for curiosity. And I was surprised with this final clamav output. But, according ratrace said....I don't have to be worried about it. |
| 05:22 | <r4fkramer> | I hope so |
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| 05:26 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, I set firefox to ask me whether or not to accept the download completion. Furthermore, I always look for trustworthy sites (usually ebook sites, official on various topics, in addition to the best known). |
| 05:26 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: I never said you don't have to be worried about. |
| 05:26 | <ratrace> | also, looking for trustworthy sites doesn't mean a site won't link to a CDN for javascript or ads, and the malware comes down through THAT pipe |
| 05:27 | <r4fkramer> | Sure, you really didn't say that, don't worry. I am declaring that, based on my own responsibility (that is the conclusion I tend to get, after more experienced debian users). |
| 05:27 | <ratrace> | next time it'd be wise to inspect problematic files and understand how they came in, before --remove |
| 05:28 | <r4fkramer> | I see, ratrace. So, there's a relative chance my OS was really infected. |
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| 05:28 | <r4fkramer> | yes, I should have done it now. I was precipitate. Next time, I'll follow your recommendation. |
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| 05:29 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: it may or may NOT be, that's the whole point. even if you have "infected" files, does not mean the overall security is compromised. OR it may mean just that. it really requires finding the file and understanding how the file got there. And it could also very well be a false positive. |
| 05:31 | <sussudio> | r4fkramer: you only scanned your home dir, that's not your OS. |
| 05:31 | <r4fkramer> | According majority of debian users, could you say that's the more probable hypothesis ? In this case, a false positive ? |
| 05:31 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, based on your experience, other debian warriors you know, etc.... |
| 05:32 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: I cannot make that estimate. |
| 05:32 | <r4fkramer> | sussudio, yes, it's just the domestic directory. |
| 05:33 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, ratrace, thank you anyway. |
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| 05:34 | <haxar> | the best protection is an informed user |
| 05:35 | <r4fkramer> | please, sussudio, I should scan the whole OS using 'clamscan -r' ? |
| 05:36 | <r4fkramer> | agree haxar. It wasn't my case here. |
| 05:37 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: it's important to understand what clamscan/clamav even do. the windows mentality of running an antivirus does not really apply on linux. |
| 05:37 | <ratrace> | linux malware comes in ways that are hard or impossible to detect with scans like clamav's. note: hard, so sometimes it _may_ be possible. |
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| 05:38 | <ratrace> | but it's so weak, I'd consider it always just a waste of time and complete false sense of security if a scan turns out nothing. |
| 05:40 | <r4fkramer> | I see, ratrace. |
| 05:40 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, I'm probably carrying certain preconceptions related to windows. Quite frankly, this difference is still not very clear to me when there is confirmation that a Linux OS has finally been infected. |
| 05:41 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: usually when you see the effects of the infection :) |
| 05:42 | <ratrace> | but it's a very broad subject, far beyond simplistic statements made insofar. information security is complex, layered, multi-faceted. |
| 05:43 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: Well, you might be missing some file in your home directory now. And you don't know which file it is. |
| 05:43 | <ratrace> | primary detection of compromise comes through two facets: 1) well defined security policies, 2) monitoring/auditing of said policies' application |
| 05:43 | <r4fkramer> | The question is: how to identify the effects os the infection in a Linux OS. This Debian installation was a bit slow, more than usual. But I'm not so sure if it was related or not to any supposed infection. |
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| 05:44 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: You *can* use clamav for it, but I'd never use --remove blindly on it. |
| 05:44 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: first you have to define the policies, then you observe which process is failing to comply |
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| 05:44 | <r4fkramer> | I have to think about other questions ratrace exposed now, but, please, petn-randall and ratrace, have a look on this output: |
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| 05:45 | <ratrace> | oh come one. clamav is a toy. it can't even detect the windows malware signatures where it's usually used the most. |
| 05:45 | <ratrace> | I ran it for a year in parallel to paid, commercial AV solutions, in scanning email for hundreds of our users. in that single year, the commercial option found many instances and clamav found the whole big grand of: 0 (zero). |
| 05:46 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: Also, you need to run from a live system, not from the instance itself. Any malware with root access will be able to hide itself from the malware scanner. This also applies to any other OS, btw. |
| 05:46 | <ratrace> | the only situation where I was lucky with clamav was months after the fact when the signatures finally eventually trickled down, but forget about heuristics. |
| 05:47 | <r4fkramer> | Fine petn-randall. So, I can run it from Debian live media |
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| 05:48 | <ratrace> | yes, but again, don't consider that complete. again, detection comes through defining policies, and observing which process fails to comply. |
| 05:48 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: Yes, and then run it once and look at the output, and then decide on anything detected manually. clamav isn't reliable enough to trust it with deleting positives it finds. |
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| 05:48 | <ratrace> | "offline scanning", which would be like scanning from a live USB, as long as the "potentially infected" system is not itself running, is only half the story and relies on _signatures_, which in itself is weak. |
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| 05:49 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, so clamav is something useless. See that the file in question is this one that was in my r4fkramer user's home directory: https://paste.debian.net/1201511/ |
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| 05:49 | <ratrace> | that's a whole load of JOKE right there |
| 05:50 | <r4fkramer> | It's being finished yet. |
| 05:50 | <r4fkramer> | Ok petn-randall, thank your for recommendation. |
| 05:51 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: is that an instance of Kali you're using there, that you cleverly hostname'd "debian"? :)) |
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| 05:53 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, it's about a documentation related to Kali Distro in .pdf format. And the other information is about 'pdf drive' site |
| 05:53 | <ratrace> | yes.... and I was just wondering if you're really using Kali, cleverly hostname'd "debian". |
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| 05:55 | <r4fkramer> | I have a Kali instance in a virtual machine, now I forgot the name of the application QEMU/KVM I used to install Kali - This vm application is installed in debian buster |
| 05:56 | <petn-randall> | Which is the right way to install Kali ;) |
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| 05:57 | <r4fkramer> | I installed Kali directly in hard disk some years ago, but I gave up the idea. Only use Debian and Slackware in real hardware here. And Debian is my Primary OS - Always. |
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| 05:57 | <grove> | !kali |
| 05:57 | <dpkg> | Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 05:57 | <ratrace> | nice :) |
| 05:57 | <r4fkramer> | This Kali Installation was just for some testing. |
| 06:00 | <r4fkramer> | petn-randall, I was commenting to ratrace about this hypervisor, and now I forgot its name. Please, give me any suggestion - an QEMU/KVM application that is available in stable debian repository... |
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| 06:00 | <r4fkramer> | I really forgot it now. It is on the other laptop. Not here :( |
| 06:01 | <r4fkramer> | a debian user recommended me to install it, from here, debian by OFTC. Well, forget about it. Really tired here. |
| 06:01 | <ratrace> | qemu-kvm (and various libvirt based frontends like virt-manager, gnome boxes, ...), xen and virtualbox are the only hypervisors on linux. I don't know if vmware is something that runs on linux kernel, but there's vmware. |
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| 06:02 | <ratrace> | (and openvz but let's not talk about openvz :) ) |
| 06:02 | <bremner> | and nodejs |
| 06:02 | <bremner> | s;cnr |
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| 06:03 | <r4fkramer> | ratrace, yes, virt-manager. Really thank you ! |
| 06:04 | <r4fkramer> | I have 'virt-manager' installed in one of my debian installations, ratrace - and Kali 2021.1 as vm running under it |
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| 06:05 | <ratrace> | nice :) |
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| 06:06 | <r4fkramer> | Please ratrace, is openvz another hypervisor based on libvirt, similar to virt-manager, available in debian repository ? |
| 06:06 | <r4fkramer> | I never heard about it |
| 06:06 | <cpaelzer> | r4fkramer: no it is a container solution, not a full hypervisor |
| 06:08 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, cpaelzer, thank you for answering :) I really didn't know about it before. |
| 06:08 | <r4fkramer> | Thank you so much for all the clarifications You gave me. I'm a bit disappointed with this application as, although it's available for installation in debian, it seemed to me to be rather useless. |
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| 06:09 | <petn-randall> | r4fkramer: It's a little better when you update the signatures first, but clamav has always been bad compared to other malware scanners. |
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| 06:10 | <r4fkramer> | Please petn-randall, Do you have any suggestions for another better app for this purpose? |
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| 06:12 | <r4fkramer> | I need to research more, based on the analysis and recommendations that ratrace gave me, which suggests to me that this question is quite technical, and requires a much greater critical sense than I am used to (thinking more like a Debian Administrator, in this case, I think I let this be one of the points) |
| 06:13 | <ratrace> | r4fkramer: no single "app" exists that satisfies those purposes best. again, proper detection comes through defining security policies and then observing which process fails to comply. the only "offline" ways to "scan" are, again in line with said policies, you observe which filesystem parts are misaligned with the policy, and you apply a program (like clamav) that checks for patterns and signatures, but |
| 06:13 | <ratrace> | that's the weakest tool. |
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| 06:15 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, ratrace, I will think a lot about your analysis and recommendations - also about analysis petn-randall has passed me. Really thank you very much for attention and Great Support !;) |
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| 06:17 | <r4fkramer> | sussudio, thank you very much for hints also :) |
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| 07:07 | -!- | user is now known as Guest2513 |
| 07:07 | <Guest2513> | hi - anyone know a telegram client i can use on whonix? |
| 07:07 | <sussudio> | !whonix |
| 07:07 | <dpkg> | Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 07:08 | <Guest2513> | cheers |
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| 07:39 | <IRCsum19> | ᜵!﹨ ΤዘIS СНANNEᏞ ᎻAS ΜОⅤEⅮ TO IRC.LІBΕᖇA．СHAT #ᕼAMᎡᎪⅮⅠO ⧸!\ |
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| 08:10 | <zyme> | /!\ TᎻIᏚ ϹⲎᎪNΝEᏞ HΑS MOᏙEᗪ TΟ ⅠRⅭ․ⅬІᗷᎬRА．CᎻΑT ＃HAMᖇᎪⅮIO /！⧹ |
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| 08:15 | <welt> | /︕＼ THIS ϹHΑNΝEᒪ ΗΑS MOVΕD TⲞ ΙRC.ᏞIΒᎬRᎪ.ϹዘАT ＃HAMᏒADIО /︕﹨ |
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| 08:39 | <mjsir91116> | ／﹗\ THІS CΗAⲚΝΕL HAЅ ΜΟVED TO ΙᎡС.ᏞΙᏴERΑ．ᏟዘΑТ ＃HᎪᎷRΑᎠIO /!\ |
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| 08:43 | <juanmanuelfdez[m> | /!＼ TΗIЅ CⲎAΝNEL ΗᎪS МΟVED TO IRC.ᏞІBERΑ．CᎻΑT ＃HAMRADⅠⲞ ／︕\ |
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| 08:55 | <Galihom9> | /!﹨ THⅠЅ CНAΝNEL HAS MОⅤEᗪ TO ΙRϹ.LΙBΕRА․ⅭዘAΤ #ΗAΜRΑDIO /!\ |
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| 08:59 | <Tiebanylcya-t> | /!\ ΤHIᏚ CᕼANNEᒪ ⲎΑᏚ МOⅤᎬD ТΟ IRC.LIBΕRΑ.ⲤⲎAΤ ＃HΑⅯᖇADІO ⧸！\ |
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| 09:08 | <otisolsen70> | In order to play some game (minecraft), I need openjdk-17. This is only available in unstable. I am currently on stable. Do you recommend that I "upgrade" to debian unstable? And if so, what is the safest way of doing that? |
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| 09:10 | <ratrace> | ,v openjdk-17-jre |
| 09:10 | <judd> | Package: openjdk-17-jre on amd64 -- bullseye: 17~19-1; sid: 17~24-1 |
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| 09:11 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: it's also available on Bullseye which is slated to become stable "very soon". Maybe, if you want to upgrade, it'd be better to go Bullseye |
| 09:11 | <ratrace> | saying this with all the usual labels and warnings about running Testing, even frozen, even this close to release. |
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| 09:12 | <otisolsen70> | Could I install it as a backports? |
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| 09:14 | <grove> | ,checkbackport openjdk-17-jre |
| 09:15 | <judd> | Backporting package openjdk-17-jre in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debugedit (>= 4.16), jtreg (>= 5.1-b1-0~) <!nocheck>, g++-10 <!cross>, openjdk-17-jdk-headless:native | openjdk-16-jdk-headless:native, openjdk-17-jdk-headless <cross>. |
| 09:15 | <ratrace> | whoops. |
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| 09:15 | <grove> | Seems like that would be a lot of work |
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| 09:48 | <otisolsen70> | Alright. |
| 09:48 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, is bullseye testing? |
| 09:49 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: yes, at the moment |
| 09:49 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, what is the recommended way of upgrading to bullseje? Just s/buster/bullseye/g in sources.list |
| 09:49 | <otisolsen70> | ? |
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| 09:50 | <ratrace> | yes, s/... and temporarily commend out security and backports , if you ahve them. also take the opportunity to change buster/updates to bullseye-security and futureproof it when you uncomment it, when bullseye becomes stable |
| 09:50 | <tia3100> | Check in release notes |
| 09:50 | <tia3100> | https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 09:50 | <tia3100> | For upgrading, you will find details there |
| 09:52 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, alright. |
| 09:52 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: and yes check the release notes |
| 09:52 | <otisolsen70> | OK |
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| 10:01 | <krono_> | ju guys! |
| 10:02 | <krono_> | *hi |
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| 10:10 | <apteryx> | how does apt decide if a package should be updated? |
| 10:10 | <apteryx> | the version string? |
| 10:10 | <imMute> | apteryx: yes, if there's a package available with a higher version number. |
| 10:11 | <imMute> | package priorities do play into it a little bit, but by default the highest version number wins. |
| 10:11 | <themill> | a combination of version, pinning and a version identification algo that uses other metadata |
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| 10:11 | <apteryx> | OK, thanks |
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| 10:13 | <imMute> | apteryx: if you're curious how the version string comparison works, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version describes the process. |
| 10:13 | <apteryx> | it is possible to have it used the mtime of the package on the repository? I'm generating .deb with Guix, and deriving a monotonically increasing version string from a random hash doesn't seem doable. |
| 10:14 | <imMute> | no. it' |
| 10:14 | <apteryx> | ok |
| 10:14 | <imMute> | no. it's based on the version string |
| 10:14 | <imMute> | you could use a date code though. |
| 10:14 | <imMute> | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#version-numbers-based-on-dates |
| 10:14 | <apteryx> | that'd break reproducibility, which I'd like to avoid |
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| 10:14 | <imMute> | base the date on the date of the commit |
| 10:15 | <apteryx> | Ah! Thanks for the idea. |
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| 10:16 | <apteryx> | alternatively allow the user to pass their own control file to the 'guix pack -f deb' command; now that's their problem ;-) |
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| 10:39 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I can't use `yowsup-cli` , does it work on testing ? |
| 10:39 | <scorpion2185[m]> | reason: b'missing_param' |
| 10:39 | <scorpion2185[m]> | param: b'authkey' |
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| 10:42 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, is this the right sources.list? https://paste.yt/p15272.html Not sure I did it correct with the security and updates sources |
| 10:42 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, I did s/buster/bullseye/ and then uncommented the two lines that included security.debian.org. |
| 10:43 | <themill> | it's bullseye-security not bullseye/updates |
| 10:44 | <otisolsen70> | themill, oh, so like this? https://paste.yt/p15273.html |
| 10:44 | <petn-randall> | scorpion2185[m]: Did you read the documentation of it? I'm pretty sure you must configure things before you can even use it. |
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| 10:45 | <scorpion2185[m]> | yes I am configuring it https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/issues/2985 |
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| 10:47 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: you need to keep it as you had SO FAR for buster, change "buster" to "bullseye" AND do this change: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#security-archive |
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| 10:47 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: but keep in mind that RIGHT NOW, while Bullseye is still Testing, there's no bullseye-security, so comment those out and DO REMEMBER to uncommend once it goes stable |
| 10:48 | <ratrace> | !sources.list |
| 10:48 | <dpkg> | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:49 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, I think I have it correctly now: https://paste.yt/p15274.html |
| 10:50 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: looks good, except why no contrib and non-free in bullseye-updates ? |
| 10:50 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, will add that |
| 10:51 | <ratrace> | don't forget to uncomment the security repo once it goes stable :) |
| 10:51 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, ok |
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| 10:52 | <themill> | ratrace: bullseye-security certainly does exist alraedy |
| 10:52 | <themill> | has done for ages |
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| 10:53 | <ratrace> | oh? wait what? |
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| 10:55 | <ratrace> | huh.... indeed... then what doesn't, "testing-security"? |
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| 10:56 | <ratrace> | otisolsen70: it seems I'm totally wrong about bullseye-security, you can uncomment it now |
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| 11:01 | <otisolsen70> | ratrace, cool. Thanks |
| 11:01 | <switchnode> | hello. i am trying to build some software which depends on a library, zstd, i have installed locally, but configure cannot find it. |
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| 11:01 | <switchnode> | i am supplying --prefix=$HOME/.local to configure; ~/.local/share/config.site includes 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$HOME/.local/lib/pkgconfig'; i have manually sourced it and checked the value of PKG_CONFIG_PATH just in case; $HOME/.local/lib/pkgconfig contains libzstd.pc, which assigns the absolute path to ~/.local/ as 'prefix' and goes on in the usual way; ~/.local/include and ~/.local/lib |
| 11:01 | <switchnode> | contain zstd.h and libzstd.so respectively. |
| 11:01 | <switchnode> | yet configure STILL errors out with "zstd not found". what am i missing? |
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| 11:04 | <bremner> | switchnode: alas, that's probably specific to the software you are attempting to build |
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| 11:06 | <Sqrt{not}> | switchnode, debian buster already includes versions of both those files, can you just use those? |
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| 11:07 | <JCWasmx86> | Is there any way of getting a newer kernel version (5.12) without compiling it yourself? |
| 11:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | ,kernels |
| 11:08 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-7-686 (5.10.40-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-7-686 (5.10.40-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 11:08 | <judd> | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 11:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | JCWasmx86, looks like not yet |
| 11:09 | <JCWasmx86> | Ok well, then I fear I have to compile it myself :/ Thanks for your answer |
| 11:09 | <ratrace> | JCWasmx86: using upstreams debian specific make target and just apt installing the product, right? |
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| 11:09 | <switchnode> | bremner: i've successfully built this software in the past, and no changes since then leap out to me as obviously related. do you have any suggestions as to where to look for the problem? |
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| 11:10 | <switchnode> | Sqrt{not}: no; it is not my machine. |
| 11:10 | <JCWasmx86> | Should be like that. Just the configuration will be a bit time-consuming, as just using "make allyesconfig" somehow doesn't work quite good |
| 11:10 | <JCWasmx86> | And the config file from debian is not complete. |
| 11:10 | <bremner> | switchnode: I'm not familar with .local/share/config.site, so I guess I can't help |
| 11:11 | <JCWasmx86> | *For the newer kernel versions, as things like some BPF-JIT or so were added and a lot of other things |
| 11:11 | <bremner> | switchnode: you had zstd installed in the same place before? |
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| 11:12 | <Sqrt{not}> | switchnode, that is a complicated chain of configuration to find those libraries. one thing to check is permissions of all affected files (and their directory trees) |
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| 11:14 | <ratrace> | JCWasmx86: for me it was a few minutes of work based on 5.10 from bullseye, and it was mostly a N with a few M "just in case" |
| 11:14 | <ratrace> | I definitely would not want a Y on all those new options and modules. |
| 11:16 | <JCWasmx86> | Well, as I was not sure, what I will need, I just added everything, but somehow I think I messed up somewhere |
| 11:17 | <wyre> | hi guys, does NetworkManager autodetect the connected nic? |
| 11:18 | <ratrace> | JCWasmx86: then at least build M and not Y for all that esoteric hardware |
| 11:18 | <wyre> | because for some reason is trying to use an unplugged nic instead the one is actually plugged |
| 11:18 | <JCWasmx86> | Ok I try it at the moment |
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| 11:19 | <switchnode> | bremner: sort of--the operators changed the disk naming scheme in such a way that the absolute path of $HOME is now different, but i've updated libzstd.pc accordingly. |
| 11:19 | <switchnode> | Sqrt{not}: everything i've mentioned is owned by me; everything is 755 except ~/.local/share (700), ~/.local/share/config.site (600), ~/.local/lib/pkgconfig/libzstd.pc (644), and ~/.local/include/zstd.h (644). |
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| 11:21 | <petn-randall> | wyre: What do you mean with "use"? It'll only configure network interfaces you have set up in n-m. |
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| 11:25 | <wyre> | petn-randall, I've got 3 ethernet interfaces, eno1, enp2s0 and enp3s0, when I boot the system with eno1 physically connected, the `nmcli` output says: "eno1: disconnected" and "enp2s0 connecting (getting IP configuration) to Wired connection 1" |
| 11:25 | <wyre> | which is strange because enp2s0 is not physically connected |
| 11:25 | <wyre> | and it's not detecting eno1 as physically connected 😥 |
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| 11:27 | <wyre> | I can see it has a connection saved in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 11:27 | <wyre> | but it's not defined the nic for this connection in this file 🤔 |
| 11:27 | <wyre> | so I don't know why it's trying to use enp2s0 when it's not physically connected |
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| 11:30 | <wyre> | hmm, interesting, ... I've deleted the connection with `nmcli con del "Wired connection 1"` and I've rebooted the system and now I have 3 new connections |
| 11:30 | <wyre> | apparently it has created a new one for eno1 which is working as expected |
| 11:30 | <wyre> | but it's still trying to get IP for enp2s0 when it's not even physically connected 😥 |
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| 11:32 | <tia3100> | Do you have anything configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:32 | <tia3100> | Maybe it isifupdown trying to set it up? |
| 11:32 | <wyre> | tia3100, nope |
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| 11:33 | <wyre> | it's empty and there is nothing inside interfaces.d either |
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| 11:34 | <jhutchins> | wyre: What release are you on? |
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| 11:35 | <wyre> | jhutchins, buster |
| 11:35 | <wyre> | 10.9 |
| 11:35 | <jhutchins> | wyre: kernel? |
| 11:36 | <wyre> | jhutchins, 4.19.0-16-amd64 |
| 11:36 | <jhutchins> | So that's stock... Desktop? |
| 11:36 | <wyre> | anyway ... I've removed the other 2 connection created and it's working as expected 🤔 |
| 11:36 | <petn-randall> | wyre: What does `ethtool <ifname>` and `mii-tool <ifname>` return? |
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| 11:36 | <wyre> | petn-randall, I haven't got that tools installed |
| 11:37 | <petn-randall> | You can install them. |
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| 11:41 | <switchnode> | bremner, Sqrt{not}: figured it out--i _set_ PKG_CONFIG_PATH but forgot to _export_ it, so pkg-config couldn't actually see it. my bad |
| 11:41 | <Sqrt{not}> | switchnode, OK, good job |
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| 11:42 | <bremner> | switchnode: cool. OOC is config.site something that pkg-config automatically looks for? |
| 11:44 | <switchnode> | bremner: pkg-config itself doesn't, but autoconf-generated ./configure files start by sourcing $prefix/share/config.site if it exists. https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/config_002esite.html (needless to say i neglected to export it in the config.site file as well) |
| 11:45 | <bremner> | ah, ok. thanks |
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| 11:46 | <keycollector> | How do i make my ssh connection not timeout for a single session? I believe there was a way to set a varible to make it not timeout after establishing the connection? |
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| 11:48 | <rjsalts> | keycollector, you might be referring to ServerAliveInterval |
| 11:49 | <imMute> | there is also TCPKeepAlive, which works at a lower layer but should accomplish the same thing. |
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| 11:49 | <petn-randall> | keycollector: Is your firewall dropping connections? Because it shouldn't timeout in the first place. |
| 11:49 | <rjsalts> | no, it only tests connectivity between you and the server |
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| 11:50 | <rjsalts> | if your firewall has an idle limit on a tcp session then you want ServerAliveInterval |
| 11:50 | <imMute> | rjsalts: TCPKeepAlive won't keep the firewall session active? |
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| 11:52 | <rjsalts> | imMute: no, because it establishes TCP connectivity by attempting a three way handshake with the target machine |
| 11:53 | <rjsalts> | it won't be part of the open ssh session |
| 11:53 | <rjsalts> | which the firewall will terminate after being unused for a while |
| 11:53 | <imMute> | rjsalts: that doesn't make sense. TCP Keep Alives (the thing that option turns on) happens on the TCP connection that SSH is using. |
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| 11:55 | <don> | Hello |
| 11:55 | <don> | works |
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| 11:55 | <rjsalts> | well, the man page says you want ServerAliveInterval in the TCPKeepAlive entry |
| 11:56 | <rjsalts> | and I got disconnected by firewalls a bunch when using TCPKeepAlive rather than ServerAliveInterval |
| 11:56 | <don> | I just reloaded my system to 10.3 Buster and want to set up the printer scanner. I need some info on how to do that. The install found the printer |
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| 11:57 | <imMute> | rjsalts: I suppose a firewall could be programmed to not consider TCP keepalive messages as keeping the connection active. but that would explicitly break the entire point of TCP keepalives. |
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| 11:57 | <don> | a "Color LaserJet Pro MFP M182nw" but it did not set up the scanner portion. what is needed to set that up? |
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| 11:59 | <sussudio> | !sane |
| 11:59 | <dpkg> | Scanner Access Now Easy (SANE) is an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:00 | <keycollector> | I believe its coming from SSHD Configuration which is required for compliance. |
| 12:01 | <rjsalts> | it was a long while ago, when ServerAliveInterval wasn't a thing and I was using the debian specific option ProtocolKeepAlives |
| 12:01 | <keycollector> | ClientAliveInterval 600 |
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| 12:01 | <keycollector> | i assume id want to overwrite that? |
| 12:02 | <rjsalts> | if you have a firewall that disconnects things more frequently than every 10 minutes |
| 12:03 | <keycollector> | Yeah, we dont have any firewalls for this specific connection |
| 12:03 | <rjsalts> | then it may not help |
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| 12:05 | <Sqrt{not}> | dpkg sane =~ s/freenode.net/libera.chat/ |
| 12:05 | <dpkg> | Sqrt{not}: OK |
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| 12:07 | <keycollector> | gotcha, yeah, had to read what ClientAliveInterval is doing.. that probably wont help then |
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| 12:11 | <imMute> | ClientAliveInterval and TCPKeepAlive essentially do the same thing (send a bit of data periodically so intermediate firewalls keep the session "active"), they just do it at different levels in the TCP/IP stack |
| 12:12 | <Sqrt{not}> | keycollector, i have ServerAliveInterval 240 in /etc/ssh/ssh_config for the _client_ machine |
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| 12:17 | <sussudio> | #sane on libera is not registered and there's only 6 people in it |
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| 12:27 | <Sqrt{not}> | sussudio, is it better on freenode? |
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| 12:28 | <TheHoliestRoger> | freenode is dead |
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| 12:31 | <bremner> | nowai! |
| 12:31 | <bremner> | err, sorry, I thought this was ##freenode. Anyway, correct, there is no more debian support on freenode |
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| 12:32 | <bremner> | I doubt there is a big community on freenode, if the libera version is empty. I'd look to a mailing list or web forum before freenode |
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| 12:35 | <sussudio> | Sqrt{not}: freenode is dead. |
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| 12:36 | <britho> | bremner: Libera is alive and well |
| 12:36 | <britho> | For #debian |
| 12:36 | <britho> | And basically everything else :D |
| 12:37 | <Sqrt{not}> | so, 6 people in an unregistered channel is still better than nothing? |
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| 12:37 | <britho> | Sorry I joined late, which channel are you talking about? |
| 12:37 | <bremner> | #sane |
| 12:38 | <britho> | Ah sorry, no idea what that channel is even for if it's not a reference to mental health. |
| 12:39 | <sussudio> | depends on your attitude towards scanners, i guess. |
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| 13:14 | <redlegion> | britho: you see what Andrew Lee has been up to lately? banned irccloud because it made him have the sads. what a freaking man-baby. |
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| 13:18 | <tizef> | lol |
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| 13:20 | <britho> | Yeah he's like some weird hybrid between Trumpism and leftism |
| 13:20 | <britho> | I hope his breed doesn't replicate |
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| 13:23 | <sussudio> | let's hope karma exists and he gets eaten by a dog. |
| 13:25 | <j_arun_mani> | Hello. Do https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ and https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ point to same resource? :) |
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| 13:25 | <sussudio> | why don't you go to them and find out? |
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| 13:27 | <j_arun_mani> | I did and they have the same content :P Still wanted to know about it? :') |
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| 13:30 | <britho> | j_arun_mani, Just by reading the links I would deduce that they are the same content although don't point to the same files since they are hosted on an Apache server by the looks of it. |
| 13:30 | <britho> | Most likely duplicates |
| 13:30 | <sussudio> | redlegion: the petulant pile of manchile dropped all nick and channel registrations 2 days ago. |
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| 13:31 | <j_arun_mani> | britho, I checked the checksums and they work too. So as you said, prolly should be duplicates |
| 13:31 | <redlegion> | sussudio: saw that as well, he also ditched the original servers and rolled out his own with the freenode domain |
| 13:31 | <j_arun_mani> | Thanks folks! |
| 13:32 | <sussudio> | redlegion: apparently he tried to set up a fake modeling agency in LA in the past, only to turn it into a brothel for his "friends". i see no reason why people like this should exist. |
| 13:33 | <britho> | j_arun_mani, nice |
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| 13:50 | <scorpion2185[m]> | can you use `yowsup-cli? I can't on stable (who knows on testing) |
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| 15:14 | <Sqrt{not}> | scorpion2185[m], just a thought -- have you tried running your yowsup-cli as a non-root user? |
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| 15:15 | <britho> | I'm having some trouble getting my Git commits signed with GPG. It also appears that my ~/.gnupg directory is getting corrupted when I delete keys. I'm using Bullseye on W10 WSL |
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| 15:45 | <linuxdeb> | hi |
| 15:45 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Sqrt{not}: no should I try? |
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| 15:47 | <linuxdeb> | i have a questiom |
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| 15:47 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I tried same error, why root shouldn't work? |
| 15:47 | <linuxdeb> | how can i fix usernme is not in sudoers file?? |
| 15:48 | <imMute> | linuxdeb: add your user to the "sudo" group. |
| 15:48 | <jmcnaught> | linuxdeb: as root ("su -l") use the command "adduser username sudo" |
| 15:48 | <linuxdeb> | ok |
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| 15:49 | <imMute> | jmcnaught: you might want to be explicit about which parts of that command is literal and which parts are supposed to be replaced |
| 15:50 | <jmcnaught> | imMute: good point, I'm never sure the best way to do this though, because adding punctuation that is to be removed might also not be obvious |
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| 15:51 | <imMute> | jmcnaught: true. I suppose any convention you use would have to be learned/explained |
| 15:51 | <linuxdeb> | i tried what you said but it doesn't work if i try something like 'sudo nano' |
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| 15:51 | <imMute> | linuxdeb: you need to log out and back in |
| 15:51 | <linuxdeb> | oh that's right |
| 15:51 | <linuxdeb> | see you soon!! |
| 15:51 | <jmcnaught> | the newgrp command might also work |
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| 15:54 | <imMute> | jmcnaught: I don't think it matters how you make the change, you need to log out/in for it to take effect |
| 15:54 | <imMute> | jmcnaught: note that "log in" can mean many things, like starting a new terminal emulator window within the DE. |
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| 15:57 | <uc50ic4more> | Friends, is there a way to download a .deb and have apt(-get) install the file? I know it could trivially be done in two commands BUT what I am downloading is http://path/to/latest.deb and cannot be certain of naming and versioning in the downloaded file. When wget https://path-to/latest.deb | sudo apt-get install didn't work I headed here. :) |
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| 15:58 | <sarnold> | uc50ic4more: wget https://whatever/... ; sudo apt install ./whatever.deb |
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| 15:59 | <uc50ic4more> | sarnold But I don't know what the final name of the file would be: "latest.deb" is a symlink to a name and version # that is dynamic and I'd like to script this. |
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| 15:59 | <imMute> | uc50ic4more: you can tell wget what to name the downloaded file |
| 16:00 | <imMute> | -O whatever.deb I think? |
| 16:00 | <uc50ic4more> | inMute Holy crap I knew the instant I floated this question on IRC someone would say something obvious and I would be terribly stupid. Thanks! |
| 16:01 | <sarnold> | uc50ic4more: oh! I hadn't noticed that part, sorry :) good job imMute's always vigilant :) |
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| 16:02 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Sqrt{not}: https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/issues/2985 |
| 16:02 | <merazi_[m]> | Greetings 😃 |
| 16:02 | <tia3100> | hello |
| 16:03 | <linuxdeb> | sudo finally works!! |
| 16:03 | <linuxdeb> | thanks everyone |
| 16:06 | <Sqrt{not}> | scorpion2185[m], no idea, sorry |
| 16:07 | <linuxdeb> | i want to answer the uc50ic4more's question: to unite two commands, type this: |
| 16:08 | <linuxdeb> | command1 && command2 |
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| 16:11 | <uc50ic4more> | linuxdeb - Thanks: My problem was that when downloading a symlinked file; ie. "latest.deb" I would not know what the resultant file name/ version would be and therefore could not non-interactively script its installation. Specifying the output file name via wget or curl is the solution. |
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| 16:12 | <linuxdeb> | ok |
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| 17:44 | <Sos> | hi |
| 17:45 | <sarnold> | hello Sos |
| 17:45 | <Sos> | how can i get debian to l;ist all device hardware IDs it can find? |
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| 17:46 | <sarnold> | sosreport may do that, it feels likely to know how to gather gobs of IDs |
| 17:46 | <Sos> | alright let em try this |
| 17:46 | <Sos> | I'm on RISC-V so everything is janky |
| 17:47 | <sarnold> | if it doesn't, lspci, lsusb, lshw, dmidecode, all likely to to contribute to whatever solution you may need to build |
| 17:47 | <Sos> | wanted to get some drivers working but need to find otu what kind of rivers i need |
| 17:47 | <Sos> | thank you |
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| 17:55 | <somiaj> | lshw is fairly detailed about all hardware |
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| 18:04 | <Sos> | thanks |
| 18:04 | <Sos> | i'll let it compile sdl first |
| 18:04 | <Sos> | it doesn't seem this thing can handle two tasks at the same time |
| 18:04 | <sarnold> | heh |
| 18:05 | <Sos> | it barely manages to render LXDE |
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| 18:07 | <realtime-neil> | Sos: dmidecode is pretty sweet for dumping firmware details. |
| 18:08 | <Sos> | firmware details? i think there's only uboot on this |
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| 18:08 | <Sos> | but thank's i'll try it |
| 18:09 | <realtime-neil> | Sos: dare I ask if it's running a UEFI firmware? |
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| 18:09 | <Sos> | i'm not sure, but I read it's apparently able to |
| 18:10 | <Sos> | the google dtranslated chinese docs are pretty hard to follow |
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| 18:10 | <lhvf> | Hello to Everyone! Following the conversation here by the logs: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/06/17 >, I could suggest some command parameters hat could help Sos to find out properly his current hardware (at least on 'PCI IDs', in the case): |
| 18:10 | <Sos> | but RISC-V has these boot layers that extend into rings, from what i understood |
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| 18:14 | <lhvf> | ' lscpi -vvv > lspci_vvv.txt ' ; lpsci -k -v -nn > lspci _k_v_nn ; lshw -C Video > lspci_C_Video.txt ; (all wihtout " ' "(single quote) and 'dmidecode' to find fimrware rom versions; |
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| 18:14 | <lhvf> | And I also could sugest the handy: ' inxi '. |
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| 18:16 | <lhvf> | [...] I could suggest some commands parameters *that* could help Sos to find out properlyhis current hardware [...] |
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| 18:16 | <Sos> | this is great stuff lhvf thank you |
| 18:16 | <lhvf> | [...] suggest [...] |
| 18:17 | <Sos> | are you ok? |
| 18:17 | <lhvf> | ' lscpi -vvv > lspci_vvv.txt ' ; lpsci -k -v -nn > lspci _k_v_nn.txt ; lshw -C Video.txt > lspci_C_Video.txt ; |
| 18:17 | <lhvf> | Sos: Yes, I'm fine. |
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| 18:18 | <Sos> | :) |
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| 18:20 | <lhvf> | Just fixing the 'typos' ;) |
| 18:20 | <lhvf> | [...] lshw -C Video > lshw_C_Video.txt [...] |
| 18:21 | <Sos> | ahh thanks |
| 18:21 | <sarnold> | most folks on irc are good at reading past typos, normally you only need to fix the ones that affect the meaning of what you're trying to say |
| 18:21 | <Sos> | i'm now not sure this board actually has any hardware |
| 18:21 | <Sos> | it's compiling sdl for 30 minutes now |
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| 18:24 | <Sos> | lshw is not installed wow |
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| 18:24 | <Sos> | i had to pull wget from ports even |
| 18:24 | <sarnold> | heh, ubuntu's builder took 54 minutes to build libsdl2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/2.0.14+dfsg2-3/+build/20899552 |
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| 18:26 | <Sos> | ok lshw is not what i'm looking for |
| 18:26 | <lhvf> | Sos: When you know certain what Kernel Driver Module that your Linux Distribution is running in, you could also extract the credits and rights of the Developers, and the Group etc.., with ' modinfo' command (also tried it on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu past versions prior 4.x.y Kernel). |
| 18:26 | <Sos> | i wanmt PnP HIDs |
| 18:27 | <Sos> | not installed drivers |
| 18:27 | <Sos> | i wand HIDs of stuff that's actually not installed |
| 18:27 | <Sos> | so that i can build drivers for them |
| 18:28 | <Sos> | perhaps i can jsut walkt throguh /dev? |
| 18:28 | <Sos> | can i find hids there? |
| 18:28 | <sarnold> | probably not |
| 18:28 | <sarnold> | /sys maybe |
| 18:28 | <sarnold> | lots of juicy stuff in /sys |
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| 18:33 | <Sos> | lspci doesn't work there's no pci bus |
| 18:33 | <sarnold> | no pci?? wow these things are a lot different than I expected |
| 18:33 | <Sos> | says it can't open proc/bus/pci |
| 18:34 | <sarnold> | does dmesg | grep -i pci concur? |
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| 18:35 | <Sos> | yup |
| 18:35 | <Sos> | nothing |
| 18:35 | <sarnold> | wild |
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| 18:35 | <Sos> | it'sa a sbc |
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| 18:36 | <Sos> | prolly everything is connected via spi / i2c |
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| 18:46 | <lhvf> | Sos: Look at this website: < https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/RISC-V/Installing > → ' Additionally, when using older software components you won't get PCI support, and so enabling graphics will not be possible. ' |
| 18:49 | <lhvf> | Sos: ' https://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/ports/updates/42.3/aarch64/hwinfo-21.57-9.1.aarch64.html ' → (Example of Software that finds out RISC-V Hardware: ' *hwinfo*'): → *- Add support for RISC-V* |
| 18:49 | <lhvf> | That stuff could elp anyway? |
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| 18:50 | <lhvf> | *help* |
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| 18:54 | <lhvf> | More others useful links: < https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#What_is_RISC-V.3F > ; < https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hwinfo > . |
| 18:56 | <lhvf> | < https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#Resources > → IRC irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org (https://www.oftc.net/) → #debian-riscv |
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| 19:09 | <lhvf> | Since the ' hwinfo-21.57-9.1' is the first version with → * support for RISC-V * then Debian 10 ( Buster condename )is the *first* Distro Release with this Hardware support → < https://packages.debian.org/buster/hwinfo > ( Package: hwinfo (21.63-3) ). |
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| 19:27 | <uc50ic4more> | I was an Ubuntu user when Buster came out: Would anyone here happen to know what kind of delay exists between the release of Stable and Google Cloud Platform beginning to offer it as a VM image? Is it days? Weeks? (gulp) Months? |
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| 19:34 | <sney> | uc50ic4more: I'm not sure what their timeline is exactly, but some recommend not upgrading in production until the first point release (so for bullseye, that'd be 11.1) - for buster it was about 2 months in between 10.0 and 10.1 |
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| 19:36 | <MTecknology> | I used to always have my production fleet on frozen testing about a month before release. |
| 19:38 | <uc50ic4more> | I certainly agree with waiting until a point release to migrate anything mission-critical; but I have a small handful of less integral machines that I intend to use specifically to kick the tires on Bullseye in some real-world situations. |
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| 19:42 | <uc50ic4more> | Already I've spun up some Free Tier machines and (full-)upgraded bare installations to Bullseye and everything went as smoothly as one would expect. |
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| 22:41 | <and1_> | Hello, hola a todos por acá |
| 22:42 | <and1_> | estoy teniendo problemas con mi equipo, alguien que pueda ayudar? |
| 22:42 | <sney> | !es |
| 22:42 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/ |
| 22:43 | <and1_> | debhelper can you helpme please? |
| 22:44 | <sney> | and1_: debhelper is a bot, if you can ask your question in english then go ahead |
| 22:44 | <and1_> | thank you @sney |
| 22:45 | <and1_> | I have some problems with my new laptop |
| 22:45 | <and1_> | is a HP pavilion gamming 15 |
| 22:46 | <and1_> | and I can not configure nvidia driver |
| 22:47 | <and1_> | if I try to configure xorg.conf with command: nvidia-xconfig --prime, then I restart my computer and got black screen |
| 22:48 | <and1_> | xrandr --listproviders |
| 22:48 | <and1_> | Providers: number : 1 |
| 22:48 | <and1_> | Provider 0: id: 0x43 cap: 0x2, Sink Output crtcs: 3 outputs: 1 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting |
| 22:49 | <ymusachio> | and1_: You can try this steps: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:50 | <and1_> | I have debian buster with nvidia-driver from backports because and kernel 5.10 |
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| 22:52 | <and1_> | Linux debian 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1~bpo10+1 (2021-03-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:49 | <fotis[m]1> | /﹗\ THIS СНΑⲚΝEL HAЅ MOⅤEᎠ ΤO IᎡᏟ․LIΒEᎡA․СHᎪT ﹟НАᎷRΑᗪⅠΟ ／ǃ＼ |
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