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---Logopened Sun Jun 20 00:00:36 2021
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00:17<don>Ok I am back. took longer than I hoped
00:18<don>What is the right way to setup the printer scanner to get it to scan
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00:19<don>I am at buster 10.10 now using Gnome classic
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00:20<don>I have an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M182nw all in one printer and I want it to scan for me.
00:21<don>under the divices tab it shows 2 printers but no scanner
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00:22<don>When i use the sane tool sane-find-scanner it finds my printer and gives its address libusb:002:002
00:23<don>so it knows that I have a printer but when I run the scanimage -L is says there is no scanner available
00:25<don>I have an aplication named sane-pygrk that trys to read a scanner but reports no scanner available
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00:30<archivist>good evening, debs and ians
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00:40<quadrat>don as I already pointed out, you need to install hplip from backports
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00:51<don>Ok hplip is at 3.18.12+dfsg0-2
00:51<quadrat>yes you need 3.19+
00:51<quadrat>that's why the backports version
00:52<don>how do you get to backports
00:52<don>I missed that
00:52<quadrat>!buster backports
00:52<dpkg>Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
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01:06<don>ok I was successful at editing the file for the backports and updated I removed the 3.18 version and reinstalled hplip
01:07<don>now the version is still 3.18 how do you get it to up date to 3.1
01:07<quadrat>did you use "sudo apt -t buster-backports install hplip"?
01:07<don>3.19
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01:09<don>well no I went to the url and the first thing was to add the line to sources.list so I did that
01:09<quadrat>yes, and after that you can install the newer version with the command I gave you (plus sudo apt udpate before that)
01:09<don>I then removed the hplip file and did an update and then did an apt-get install hplip
01:10<don>ok
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01:14<don>ok now it is updated to 3.20.9+
01:15<quadrat>now try to find the scanner with hplip (sorry can't help you there)
01:16<don>sane find found it
01:17<don>scanimage -L found it too
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01:26<don>when I open a scan program i get an error failed to open device 'hpaio:/net/hp_(printer name)?ip=192.(ip address)&queue=false
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01:27<don>that looks like it is trying to go through the router instead of the usb
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01:34<quadrat>sorry can't help you there. never had a hp printer
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05:46<rookie_>hi
05:46<rookie_>noob here
05:46<rookie_>can someone guide me???
05:46<@Ganneff>!ask
05:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:32<archivist>I'm gonna have to ask you all to upgrade your respect for GUIs, mm hmmm.
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07:33<britho>What's a GUI?
07:33<archivist>Something the rest of the world has taken advantage of.
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07:34<britho>Uhhh
07:35<ratrace>archivist: so, we migrate to windows? thanks, no thanks.
07:37<archivist>Everyone else: hey, cool, mousing is faster, easier, and more comfortable in many case.
07:37<archivist>Linux people: **fingers in ears** HUMMMMMM. HUMMMMMM. HUMMMMM. I can't hear you! **sticks tongue out**
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07:37<franzopow[m]>Lol
07:37<ratrace>archivist: welp, do you have a support question, or are you just here to troll?
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07:38<franzopow[m]>Mousing is slower but.. I'll leave you trolling :)
07:38<archivist>Hey. Listen. You ought to be kind to me.
07:38<archivist>I just went from being a computing demigod to a rank fucking newbie again and that's hard on anyone.
07:39<@Ganneff>!ot
07:39<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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07:39<archivist>I'M A DEBIAN USER NOW, GOD HELP ME, AND I NEED LOTS OF SUPPORT
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07:40<@Ganneff>you either start asking a real question, or shut up
07:40<vv221>​/ignore add archivist oftc
07:41<archivist>I have important things I'm trying to DO with my computer and the simplest little thing that I had worked out to infinitesimal efficiency is now a Sisyphean learning curve. Okay? Pardon me of your collective bad taste in computing paradigms causes me to vent once in a while.
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09:37<EmleyMoor>Is there anywhere I can get support for using Kodi on Debian? I'm having trouble getting Indigo working on my setup
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09:39<sussudio>EmleyMoor: go to whoever wrote that unsupported plugin.
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09:40<EmleyMoor>I've tried and I continue to wait - but I'm looking for a more helpful approach (if there is one)
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10:15<SallyAhaj>Without LVM partitioning encryption process while the installation, I have to put passphrase for each individual partition
10:15<SallyAhaj>This screenshot for clear what I meant: https://imgur.com/a/WlIShsg
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10:17<SallyAhaj>I don't what LVM, because I am aiming to use Btrfs, so why do I have to do that, why encryption is so difficult?
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10:21<dvs>SallyAhaj: I'd do manual partitioning. I think pressing ESC will go back to the previous menu
10:22<SallyAhaj>dvs, I've choosen manual
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10:24<SallyAhaj>If I selet just one partition for encryption, I won't be able to divide it for swap, root and whatever
10:24<SallyAhaj>Unless I use LVM, which I don't want
10:25<dvs>Ah, I see. I don't use encryption but I can see how that can be annoying.
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10:27<scorpion2185[m]>can you make different encrypted partitions? managed by one passoword/unlock
10:27<SallyAhaj>dvs, It's not just annoying, it's like a puzzle
10:28<vv221>+1 scorpion2185[m], I think is all encrypted partitions are unlocked by a same key, you would need to enter the passphrase only once at boot time.
10:29<SallyAhaj>scorpion2185[m], Yes, in Fedora, I just have to select encrypt, the it ask for one passphrase for whatever
10:29<scorpion2185[m]>thanks, can you add to the Deb installer encryption without LVM?
10:29<SallyAhaj>vv221, I'll try that
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10:30<SallyAhaj>scorpion2185[m], The default encrypttion process in the installer here is with LVM
10:31<scorpion2185[m]>Indeed can Deb devs add an option wihtout LVM? I have LVM and i want to remove it.
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10:32<SallyAhaj>I am sorry to say that: Debian needs to change the installer to be more modern and easy.
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10:34<vv221>I’m more than OK with the current installer, but I guess the team behind it is open to feebdack ;)
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10:47<Walex>scorpion2185[m]: SallyAhaj: the installer cannot reasonably cover every possible option and combination of options that one might do manually.
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10:48<Walex>scorpion2185[m]: SallyAhaj: the way I do "custom" storage installations is to start the installer, and from a shell setup the storage like I want, and then continue.
10:49<Walex>scorpion2185[m]: SallyAhaj: if it were possible to have a program setup automagically every possible installation option and combinations of those options, it would be an AI with an intelligence and knowledge equivalent to that of a system administrator.
10:49<Walex>so inevitably things like installers and "control panels" offer only a selection of pre-defined and pre-tested setups.
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10:51<SallyAhaj>Walex, Nowadays encrption becomes improtant, so adding it in an easy way to the proccess of the installation is essensial,
10:52<dvs>Walex: yeah, I like to partition the disk the way I want it BEFORE I start the installer.
10:52<SallyAhaj>Prolonging the proccess isn't the good option, esspecially after thousands the other option dists
10:52<themill>SallyAhaj: to be fair, encryption is actually really easy with the installer but you made a choice not to use it that way
10:53<SallyAhaj>themill, You mean with LVM, right?
10:53<themill>Indeed. It's trivial to set up full disk encryption with that.
10:54<themill>So what you're actually asking for is a *more* complex installer with yet more options.
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10:56<themill>Basically any change to the installer hits https://xkcd.com/1172/ immediately with people complaining either that it's too simplified and stops them doing their particular weird thing, or too complex because it allows too many weird things.
10:57<SallyAhaj>themill, I am asking for simplicity the process, the Installer has almost the same things since 2005
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10:58<themill>Name a single thing you'd leave out
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11:04<SallyAhaj>themill, it's not of dropping some things out, but rahter make it easy, if we have a quik look at ubunut/fedora installer, we'll find the big different, there I just have to spend around 3 minutes fisrs, then leave the computer till it finish, in Debian the process needs a cup of heavy coffee
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11:05<themill>"make it easy" is fantastic and highly actionable...
11:05<themill>I mean, that's a complete revelation. I thought we were aiming for the opposite. I'd never thought of that.
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11:09<SallyAhaj>Debian is the mother of most famous distos, but to make it desirable for new users, I think the installer should to be completely modern. I can see Debian is using a different easy installer in Debian-Live, but that is not the solution.
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11:27<jhutchins>Let us not create a Distro for Dummies.
11:29<sussudio>ubuntu?
11:30<ratrace>funny thing tho, the debian's installer is far more functional and capable than ubuntu server's subiquity.
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11:37<vv221>jhutchins, on https://www.debian.org/ I read « The universal operating system ». Unless I missed something, it means « The system for everyone (and everything) » ;)
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12:58<kveroneau>After my latest update of the dkms nvidia driver, when I attempt to load the modules into the kernel, I get a version number mismatch, as if some of the other modules did not update to the same version number of the package. Any ideas on how to resolve this issue? I grepped inside the driver source tree for 418 to see if I could figure out if I could manually update the version so that the module would load, but came up dry. I am unsure how
12:58<kveroneau>the driver is embedding the version number, nor how the kernel module loader is checking the version number. Any ideas? I checked the Debian bug reports, and don't see any reports on this issue.
12:59<SallyAhaj>vv221, Unfortunately it asks the passphrase three times. https://imgur.com/a/HrJXgf6
13:00<sney>kveroneau: dkms builds log in /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/ (under driver and kernel versions), see if make.log tells you about any failures building the new driver
13:01<sney>FWIW my buster machine was able to build the 418.197.02-1 nvidia-driver without issue
13:02<kveroneau>sney, I'll take a look. Thank you. I also tried removing the existing drivers, thinking it would rebuild everything.
13:03<quadrat>SallyAhaj yeah, because you have 3 different crypt partitions (for whatever reason especially with btrfs)
13:04<SallyAhaj>quadrat, One of them swap though
13:05<quadrat>yeah, which is reasonable when you stay on 4.19, if you use the backports kernel I would suggesting a swap file over partition
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13:08<SallyAhaj>Do you mean zram?
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13:10<quadrat>SallyAhaj https://wiki.debian.org/Swap no just a normal file on the encrypted btrfs partition
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13:10<SallyAhaj>Okay,
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13:11<quadrat>but as I said, you would need to use the backports kernel, because on 4.19 swapfile is not supported
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13:14<SallyAhaj>quadrat, I got your point 👍
13:14<vv221>SallyAhaj, I would not know what alternative to suggest, I have not used LUKS without LVM yet.
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13:14<quadrat>SallyAhaj if you redo your vm, think about creating subvolumes, not partition
13:15<SallyAhaj>quadrat, Can I do it without LVM?
13:15<quadrat>sure
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13:17<quadrat>you would need to 'deep dive' into the CLI on the installer but it's pretty easy
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13:17<kveroneau>sney, I checked the log and found this: include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. Searched google and someone said they installed build-essential and kernel headers, which I do have installed, and this dkms driver had no problems compiling until this last update.
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13:18<kveroneau>Someone suggested to copy this header from a previous kernel headers.
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13:21<kveroneau>Hmm, what odd is that in the kernel headers directory, the file autoconf.h does exist.
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13:25<kveroneau>This is the error I get when trying to load the module: [drm:nv_drm_init [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] Version mismatch: nvidia-modeset.ko(418.197.02) nvidia-drm.ko(418.181.07)
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13:26<ratrace>kveroneau: how did you get into this situation? it's unlikely it'd happen with `apt upgrade` for an apt install'ed nvidia-driver
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13:27<kveroneau>ratrace, that is unfortunately exactly how I got into this situation. :(
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13:27<Sqrt{not}>kveroneau, I wonder if when you " tried removing the existing drivers" -- maybe a little too much got removed?
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13:29<ratrace>kveroneau: did you try forcing rebuild? dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-dkms
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13:31<kveroneau>Yes, multiple times. I am currently in the process of downgrading back to 418.181.07 to determine if the same issue with building occurs.
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13:35<kveroneau>Odd, after the downgrade, I see the same version error, but 418.197.02 shouldn't even be building. I am going to purge all nvidia driver stuff and just re-install it all from scratch... Can't keep booting into an older kernel to use my graphics card.
13:35<ratrace>kveroneau: while at it, consider upgrading to backported 460
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13:51<kveroneau>It works now, I removed(purged) every package with the phrase "nvidia", and re-installed the driver, and it built and loaded in correctly now. First time I had this issue, hopefully it was just some weird corruption that shouldn't occur often, or again.
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13:56<ratrace>kveroneau: question, did both the kernel and the nvidia driver upgrade in the same apt transaction?
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15:40<olspookishmagus>is there a way to have apt show depends work with .deb ?
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15:41<olspookishmagus>maybe there is a way through the dpkg ecosystem
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15:42<bremner>dpkg --info foo.deb?
15:42<dpkg>bremner: bugger all, i dunno
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15:43<@Ganneff>olspookishmagus: do you mean dpkg-deb -I foo.deb?
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15:45<FizzBuzz>Is there an ETA for further debian delta support and different arch than x86/x64?
15:46<FizzBuzz>Every two or so years I see something for the debian and expansion or new delta packaging but this many years in, debdeltas are still here and still x86 only from the main repo.
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15:47<bremner>FizzBuzz: it seems to be progressing slowly, looks like just the one developer working ont it
15:48<olspookishmagus>Ganneff: yep that helps my purpose
15:48<olspookishmagus> thank you
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15:51<olspookishmagus>is there a guide about how the "versioning" of packages and/or kernels?
15:51<olspookishmagus>for example: 5.10.40-1 or 0.0.20.201022-2_amd64.deb ?
15:52<olspookishmagus>or this is not a globaly accepted standard and depends on the project's policies?
15:53<@Ganneff>oh there are standards, and i believe https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ has something about it
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15:56<Sqrt{not}>version 167/IV.1999%DRAFT(rev.3a) of the standards guide will apply after it is approved
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15:57<Sqrt{not}>[except not for python 4]
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16:00<olspookishmagus>thank you once more Ganneff Sqrt{not}
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16:18<hendursaga>Just noticed there's a new point release, cool!
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16:24<alex11>indeed
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16:24<alex11>now just gotta wait til debian 11
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16:59<hendursaga>well I've already been waiting for that
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18:02<FizzBuzz>Does Debian support F2FS OOTB yet?
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18:06<sney>I see the modules present in both buster and bullseye, and the internet says it was introduced to mainline in 3.8. was there a specific problem making it work, FizzBuzz ?
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18:07<sney>,v f2fs-tools
18:07<judd>Package: f2fs-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.0-2; stretch: 1.7.0-1.1; stretch-backports: 1.11.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.11.0-1.1; buster-backports: 1.14.0-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.14.0-2; sid: 1.14.0-2
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18:08<FizzBuzz>I mean from the main installer
18:09<sney>like creating f2fs filesystems and installing to them?
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18:11<FizzBuzz>yes, from the default installer
18:11<sney>it's not listed here under the bullseye installer, so the answer seems to be no: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#di-partition
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18:12<sney>feel free to file a bug against the debian-installer package if this is something you think needs to be included
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