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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-21

---Logopened Mon Jun 21 00:00:18 2021
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01:44<Durant7> /msg dpkg 10.10
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01:56<crazuduck>hello
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03:09<uos>gfdhgjdkfffl
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03:11<wyre>does `systemd.volatile` kernel command line parameter work out of the box in debian? 🤔
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03:25<wyre>apparently it doesn't 😞
03:25<wyre>https://www.enricozini.org/blog/2019/himblick/read-only-rootfs/
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03:32<uos>hhhhh
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04:50<scorpion2185[m]>has binder module been removed from new kernels?
04:51<scorpion2185[m]>I don't have it on buster-backports kernel
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04:52<Anarka>binder_linux ?
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04:54<scorpion2185[m]>A module , one of the 2 used by anbox, `ls -alh /dev/binder /dev/ashmem` only finds ashmem
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04:54<scorpion2185[m]>does non backport kernel have it?
04:55<ratrace>CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_IPC=m
04:56<scorpion2185[m]>Is a command to run?
04:56<ratrace>no that's the kernel config which suggests binder is enabled as a module
04:57<scorpion2185[m]>ah so now it is disabled by default but is there?
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04:57<ratrace>scorpion2185[m]: not sure what you mean by "disabled". it's built and included as a module.
04:57<Anarka>you can load it, sudo modprobe binder or sudo modprobe binder_linux
04:57<ratrace>try `modprobe binder` (I'm really guessing on the module name here)
04:58<scorpion2185[m]>`modprobe: FATAL: Module binder not found in directory /lib/modules/5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64`
04:58<towo^work>it's binder_linux
04:58<scorpion2185[m]>right enabled
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04:59<ratrace>scorpion2185[m]: if anbox isn't loading it for some reason, you can force it through /etc/modules (and upgrade-initramfs -u -k all after you change it)
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05:00<scorpion2185[m]>anbox session-manager
05:00<scorpion2185[m]>[ 2021-06-21 09:00:21] [daemon.cpp:61@Run] Failed to connect to socket /run/anbox-container.socket: No such file or directory
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05:03<scorpion2185[m]>reisntalled anbox and now its started
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05:04<ratrace>*update-initramfs btw
05:04<scorpion2185[m]>again that bug I can't click anything
05:05<scorpion2185[m]>I can launch tha app via apps menu but than I can't click anythign again
05:05<scorpion2185[m]>(cinnamon/GNOME) apps menu
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06:35<jason1237>Hello
06:35<jason1237>after enabling src into sources.list, how to compile links2 with apt-source or similar to compile from source links2 with jpeg???
06:35<jason1237>thank you and looking forward to hearing you
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06:42<towo^work>jason1237, apt source links2; cd in the source-directory; look in debian/rules how to enable jpeg support, rebuild that source for your needs with dpkg-buildpackage
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06:50<LeMyst>Hello, I've a question about preseeding. I try to change the default kernel (from a netinstall iso) to linux-image-cloud
06:50<LeMyst>I tried to use "d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-image-cloud-amd64" but that doesn't work.
06:50<LeMyst>It's possible to achieve this ? How ? Thanks
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06:52<enyc>LeMyst: there are a few different #debian-* channels, I'm not sure which is best in your case.
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06:53<LeMyst>debian-installer seem good
06:53<LeMyst>I'll check there
06:53<LeMyst>Thanks
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10:19<don>hello
10:19<don>I am working on getting my all in one printer to scan stuff.
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10:20<don>I have upgraded to 10.10 buster already
10:23<don>I have some scanner programs loaded to use but they dont find a scanner
10:24<don>i have used saneimage -L to find I have the printer listed 2 times
10:25<quadrat>did you try hp-scan?
10:25<don>I have used sand-find-scanner to see if sane finds a scanner but it does not find one
10:25<bremner>hmm. it should.
10:26<bremner>maybe you need to load firmware for your scanner
10:26<bremner>do you have some docs that suggest your scanner is supported?
10:27<quadrat>he has, as it's a hp all-in-one, which is supported by the backports version of hplip
10:27<scorpion2185[m]>don: If it is an HP scanner you can try hplip
10:28<don>I will run it
10:28<don>it finds 2 printers
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10:28<don> i checked both and each one says error code 9
10:28<don>do you know what that error is
10:29<don>I was thinking the problem may be that my printer setup may not be turning on USB but the printer setup report says USB is on
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10:30<don>hi quadrat
10:32<don>the message from the scanimage -L say read the backend man page which backend would you recomend to use as there are several
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10:46<don>further checking with hp-check -r gives a lot of info and says lots of stuff is not installed from python mostly. I will try to install the missing stuff
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11:02<don>now I made progress with the hp-check -r command
11:02<don>it says several things were not installed or incompat
11:02<don>I loaded each one with apt-get install and most of them are already installed
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11:03<don>Cups system is installed but check says it is not there
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11:03<don>it also says xsane is not installed or incompat
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11:04<don>All the other things pass this test now
11:04<don>when i run xsane it finds the printer scanner but does not work
11:06<don>it actually finds 2 listings th at are some different but neither one connedts
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12:58<don>yes I do have the backports version installed now
13:00<don>using hp-check I get 2 er4rors cups missing or service not running but i checked and it is running 2.2.210+
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13:01<don>and the second error is libcups2 missing ar incompatable but it is there
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13:02<don>then I get error xsane packe missing or incompat but it is install ed but wont read the scanner
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13:02<RedSoxFan07>Hi folks!
13:02<RedSoxFan07>Is there a page that has old versions of Discord?
13:02<don>hi red
13:03<sussudio>!archive
13:03<dpkg>An archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. For old Debian <ISO> files ask me about <cd archive>. For old versions of source code see https://sources.debian.org/
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13:04<RedSoxFan07>sussudio: When I installed Discord, I used the .deb file from the Discord site.
13:04<RedSoxFan07>And I used GDebi to install it.
13:05<RedSoxFan07>I would just use dpkg, but it won't let me remove it.
13:06<RedSoxFan07>I'm pretty sure the only way I can remove it is by downloading the old version (0.0.14) and using GDebi to uninstall the old version with that .deb file.
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13:06<jmcnaught>RedSoxFan07: what command do you use to try to remove the Discord package? What error do you get? Please use https://paste.debian.net/
13:07<RedSoxFan07>jmcnaught: Just for the hell of it, I just tried apt, and somehow, it was able to do what dpkg couldn't. I can't believe I didn't think to try that.
13:07<RedSoxFan07>I'm sorry I wasted your time.
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13:26<Sky_hawk>In systemd, can I schedule a daemon to load after the GUI is started, but install that at the 'before-network-starts' stage ?
13:27<Sky_hawk>right now, it requires an extra reboot, because (I think) once the systemd tree has been enumerated any changes to systemd config, will only be seen at the next reboot
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13:33<Sqrt{not}>don, I wonder if you might still have some files installed from the HP vendor software you installed before, and also some files from debian repository. All those "missing or incompatible" errors should not happen on a clean install. Do you get more information by running it as "hp-check -gr" ?
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15:18<tor1panhuxyz>hello, anyone having MOK keys problem recently? Secure boot related
15:19<tor1panhuxyz>mokutil --list-enrolled shows empty, after recent kernel or shim updates
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15:35<jhutchins>tor1panhuxyz: Just disable sb.
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15:38<tor1panhuxyz>that would downgrade the security level
15:39<jmcnaught>tor1panhuxyz: shim got a new upstream release in the 10.10 point release, there's some notes about it in the announcement: https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210619
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15:52<tor1panhuxyz>i used to sign my own drivers with mok key, but without any key enrolled now, i can no longer use that signed driver
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15:59<atarigen>i'm trying to use WPA Supplicant the easy way => https://shapeshed.com/linux-wifi/
15:59<Sqrt{not}>tor1panhuxyz, you should be able to re-enroll your MOK ? https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot
16:00<atarigen>when i follow those steps, the NIC connects to the wifi AP just fine, but i don't get an IP address
16:00<atarigen>i can see that isc-dhcp-client is already installed
16:01<jmcnaught>tor1panhuxyz: or maybe see if your computer's UEFI can list enrolled keys, see if it is still there.
16:01<sney>atarigen: there doesn't seem to be anything above layer 2 in these instructions. try using the ifupdown approach instead, you can see a wpa example in the 3rd code block: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Using_ifupdown
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16:03<atarigen>sney: thanks
16:05<jason1237>hi
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16:08<tor1panhuxyz>Sqrt{not}: I can't anymore
16:08<tor1panhuxyz>jmcnaught: I checked /sys/firmware/efi/efivars and found no moklist
16:09<tor1panhuxyz>after i re-enroll, moknew is there, but after reboot, not moklist
16:10<tor1panhuxyz>from an upgraded but not rebooted yet system, moklist is still there, i bet after reboot it will be gone
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16:11<tor1panhuxyz>seems new shim not reading moklist?
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16:14<Sqrt{not}>tor1panhuxyz, did you reboot and confirm the added key (this is the actual enrolling step AIUI)
16:14<tor1panhuxyz>yes
16:15<tor1panhuxyz>seems it's a efi var rename?
16:15<tor1panhuxyz>moklist vs moklistrt
16:16<tor1panhuxyz>could it be new shim disabled MOK completely?
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16:38<atarigen>sney: just wondering why i did not need a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces when i previously used network manager, but now that i'm using wpasupplicant it seems to be necessary. Do i understand correctly, that wpasupplicant needs /etc/network/interfaces but network manager does not?
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16:39<atarigen>did network manager just internalize all the /etc/network/interfaces details?
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16:42<jmcnaught>atarigen: /etc/network/interfaces is the config file for ifupdown, which is a completely separate tool from network-manager. By default network-manager will ignore any interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces to minimize conflicts.
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16:48<Sqrt{not}>tor1panhuxyz, you might want to inquire on channel #debian-boot
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16:51<atarigen>ok, i appreciate the explanation. apparently network-manager is a single self-contained tool, whereas wpasupplicant depends on ifupdown. Some docs say you can choose between: 1) network-manager, 2) Wicd, 3) wpa_supplicant. The wiki outline shows 'ifupdown' & 'wpa_supplicant' as sections at the same level as if to be competing options
16:51<atarigen>it seems it should really say "wpa_supplicant+ifupdown"
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16:54<atarigen>that's why i glossed past the 'ifupdown' section when i 1st saw that wiki
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18:25<DellGuy>After rebooting my Debian 10 system today, I get the "No bootable devices found" error. I am able to run through a system check with no errors. It should be noted that before the reboot, I connected and pulled out (without ejecting) a TV tuner (DVB-T) USB stick, and also ran updates and let the laptop reboot. Dell Latitude E7470.
18:26<DellGuy>I can enter into the BIOS options (not sure if that's the correct name) and look at the "boot sequence". I'm not sure what the correct options should be here, but I note that the "Onboard NIC(IPV6)" and "Onboard NIC(IPV4)" options are not checked. And UEFI boot is checked.
18:27<somiaj>DellGuy: are you botting with legacy or efi?
18:27<DellGuy>One more thing: after plugging in and unplugging the DVB-T USB stick, I looked at crontab and noted that the file was empty (just the template comments), despite me having cron jobs setup there before.
18:27<somiaj>what crontab? Note that the system crontab and the user crontab are different, check the correct crontab.
18:28<DellGuy>somiaj: Awkwardly enough, I'm not entirely sure. A knowledgeable friend set it up for me. If it's any help, when I boot I get a blue screen (like a "select partition" screen), but I only have the Debian partition on it (not Windows Dual Boot), so it just runs the clock down 5 seconds and then boots into Debian... Normally.
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18:29<DellGuy>somiaj: I guess I could try changing to Legacy boot?
18:29<somiaj>that might make it more of an issue, but it almost sounds like your mbr got clobbered for some reason
18:29<somiaj>!fixmbr
18:29<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
18:29<somiaj>But to know how to fix it, you'll have to know if you were using legacy or uefi
18:29<DellGuy>Hm.. Okay. Thank you very much for helping me along so far.
18:30<DellGuy>The laptop doesn't have a CD device, but I take it I can create a bootable USB stick?
18:32<somiaj>yea
18:32<somiaj>just a bit old of a factoid, should proably debian install medium
18:32<somiaj>you just need to boot into a linux system with a modern kernel, so any live system works, even for another distro
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18:33<somiaj>though the debian install systm has some tools to help automate this process
18:33<DellGuy>Perfect. Do you think this would do the trick? https://www.system-rescue.org/
18:34<somiaj>sure, I'm more a fan grml, but yea
18:34<DellGuy>I'll go with grml.
18:35<DellGuy>I feel bad, I should of course know whether I have a UEFI or Legacy boot... I remember going over this with my friend as he set up my system, and a discussion about privacy options (?) as I have full-disk encryption. But I just let him set it and forget it, which isn't the approach with Linux...
18:35<DellGuy>I just switched from Windows a year or so ago.
18:36<DellGuy>So bear with me :D
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18:37<somiaj>no problem, hopefully your /boot isn't encrypted, and you'll have to go through extra steps due to encryption (not that i"m use to)
18:39<DellGuy>Rebooted into the USB now. (Turns out I had one ready from last time, a Debian Live USB). I entered "Graphical rescue mode"
18:40<somiaj>well the first step is to mount your filesystem (including entering the password for the encryption). Here I don't know what tools to use, others might better help
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18:41<DellGuy>Yeah, it's prompting me for the password to it now. Entering it.
18:42<sussudio>DellGuy: how long ago was it that you used that usb key? i've noticed most start to degrade and corrupt files if you leave them for a few months...
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18:43<DellGuy>sussudio: It was literally earlier today, so a few hours ago. I have since put the laptop in sleep mode and revived it a couple of times, and also managed to reboot it once afterwards. It was at the second reboot (installing updates) that I was hit with the "No bootable devices" error.
18:45<DellGuy>Okay, so I have mounted my encrypted partition and the boot and efi partitions successfully in the graphical Debian rescue interface. It now asks me to start a shell on the boot partition, in the installation environment, to reinstall GRUB, to force the GRUB installation on a removable media for EFI, to pick a different root file system or to reboot.
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18:46<somiaj>don't force for the removal media, just install grub on the system efi, hopefully that is enough.
18:46<somiaj>but it does sound like efi, after that you may have to point the dell firmware at the efi partition
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18:48<DellGuy>Okay, doing so...
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18:53<DellGuy>Stupid questio, but how do I know which partition is the correct one for the system efi?
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18:56<somiaj>you can use tools to scan, but didn't you say you mounted the efi partition?
18:56<somiaj>that is the right one, though in this case sounds like the rescue mode found it corretly
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18:57<DellGuy>True. But now I can't remember what it was called, lol. Restarting the process.
18:58<somiaj>if you open up a termial and it is mounted, type 'mount' could help find it
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18:58<somiaj>if not you can use fdisk -l to list partitions
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19:03<DellGuy>All right, so it's /boot/efi
19:03<DellGuy>"Failed to run "grub-install /boot/efi". This is a serious error.
19:03<DellGuy>(Translated by me, but that's what it says in Swedish)
19:06<DellGuy>Wait, I entered a shell and did fdisk-l, it looks like my boot partition might actually be /dev/sdb1
19:06<DellGuy>Looking at it in shell, it says "Boot" and a * symbol
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19:14<somiaj>DellGuy: well /boot/efi isn't a partition, it is where it is located, run 'mount' to see what partition is mounted there
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19:15<somiaj>and use /dev/sdb1 sounds more correct
19:15<DellGuy>Ok
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19:16<DellGuy>'mount' shows /dev/sda2 on /boot and /dev/sda1 on /bot/efi type vfat
19:17<somiaj>ahh yea /dev/sda1 is probably your system efi partition and /dev/sdb1 was the usb stick (or live image) efi partition
19:17<DellGuy>Ahh
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19:18<DellGuy>I'm restarting the graphical rescue system. Should I pick /dev/sda1 as my boot partition then
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19:22<DellGuy>Hm. If I pick /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 as root file system, I'm not offered the option of reinstalling Grub
19:22<DellGuy>But if I pick /dev/debian-vg/root, I am
19:22<DellGuy>There's also /dev/debian-vg/swap_1
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19:27<somiaj>DellGuy: because you have LVM up, so your root file system is on the LVM as opposed to the physical partiion
19:27<DellGuy>Okay.
19:28<DellGuy>So should I pick /dev/debian-vg/root as my root file system?
19:28<somiaj>that sounds like your root filesystem, so yes
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19:30<DellGuy>Right, thanks. Next prompt: "The installed system seems to use a separate /boot partition. Mount a separate partition for /boot?"
19:30<DellGuy>I'm thinking "Yes".
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19:32<DellGuy>Hmm.
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19:34<DellGuy>But yeah, I probably need to mount it to install grub on it...
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19:43<DellGuy>somiaj: Another question, does it matter for a grub repair if I have internet connection or not?
19:43<DellGuy>somiaj: the wifi connection depends on proprietary files, so i skipped it.
19:44<sney>you do not need a network connection for local tasks
19:44<somiaj>Nope
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19:51<DellGuy>Okay, thanks. I managed to reinstall GRUB on /dev/sdb
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19:53<somiaj>DellGuy: wasn't /dev/sdb the usb drive, sounds like you need /dev/sda from the last info you shared
19:53<somiaj>though I didn't see all the info, if /dev/sdb is your may drive, then yes, good job
19:53<DellGuy>Hm, I think you might be right, though, I think I installed the grub to the USB stick lmao
19:53<DellGuy>It booted into my system now, but with low space on /boot
19:54<DellGuy>Since it's on a USB stick...
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19:54<DellGuy>Trying again with /dev/sda
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19:57<somiaj>it isn't uncommon for an encrypted lvm setup, to have /boot be a small partition outside of it, just make sure to remove old kernels
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20:01<DellGuy>Well, if I rebooted without the USB, it doesn't work.
20:02<somiaj>sounds like you installed in the usb efi (note /boot doesn't matter here) repeate and use your system efi
20:03<DellGuy>Will do!
20:03<DellGuy>Thanks so much for holding my hand through this
20:04<DellGuy>Trying grml this time
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20:06<somiaj>you were almost there just pick the right disk
20:06<somiaj>no need for a new tool
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20:08<DellGuy>Hahah yes but since I made the USB my designated boot partition it wouldn't boot into the System rescue interface anymore :/
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20:16<somiaj>DellGuy: just get a new debian install image, grml will be more manual than debian's installers tools
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20:20<DellGuy>somiaj: Will do.
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20:27<user_7434d34d98s494>I am looking for a SSD 2.5" seagate model# that works with Debian LUKS encryption. Anyone know of any? Seems like Firecuda & Iron Wolf do not work. I heard the Barracuda SSD with no self-encryption embedded might work.
20:29<quadrat>why wouldn't they work?
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20:32<user_7434d34d98s494>the Seagate SSD (solid state) "Firecuda was "self-encrypting" and fails on the Debian 10.9 LUKS erasing disk (during installation) and the Seagate SSD "Iron Wolf" works with LUKS encryption installed via Tails Tor Linuz, but does also fails on the same erasing disk part of the Debian 10.9 install with LUKS
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20:34<bremner>that seems defective
20:34<bremner>I mean, the erasing is just writing blocks to the SSD.
20:34<quadrat>I wouldn't even care about the erasure during installation, except you had data beforehand on it, and even then you can't be sure it will delete stuff
20:34<user_7434d34d98s494>(without LUKS debian 10.9 installs on both Firecuda & Iron Wolf Seagate)... I am not sure, but I think the self-encryption on Firecuda prevents LUKS and on Iron Wolf (not self-encrypting) I am not sure but it fails too with LUKS within Deb 10.9 itall
20:34<bremner>but do you want an SSD that craps out under writes?
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20:35<bremner>I must be missing something here...
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20:37<user_7434d34d98s494>the HHD Seagate Baracuda installs Linux 10.9 with LUKS and the Firecuda SSD & Iron Wold SSD will not allow LUKS to install with the debian OS. They were both brand new so i sent them back I am going to try a baracuda SSD next instead
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20:37<user_7434d34d98s494>i have only tested two SSD's ever Firecuda & Iron Wolf (both Seagate) and they both do not work.
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20:38<quadrat>there is for sure something going wrong, as the "hardware" encryption part shouldn't interfere with the OS one
20:39<user_7434d34d98s494>that's strange... that's what i thought
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20:40<user_7434d34d98s494>especially since i tried Firecuda (selfencrypting) & Iron Wolf (not self-encrypting) and they had the same result. But with LUKS disabled they both pass for the linux install.
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20:41<quadrat>with no logs, there isn't really something we can help, but we can for sure say, it should work (encrypting the disks)
20:42<user_7434d34d98s494>i tried to install without erasing, but LUKS requires erasing during the Deb10.9 install. (i think) what's really strange is the Iron Wold SSD allows LUKS as a data drive with no OS. But it just fails in the Debian install with LUKS (for Iron Wolf)
20:43<user_7434d34d98s494>thanks i understand.
20:43<user_7434d34d98s494>Debian actually shuts down and turns my machine off
20:43<quadrat>you can just cancel the erasure
20:44<user_7434d34d98s494>ohh i didn't know that was available
20:44<user_7434d34d98s494>i can try that
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20:44<quadrat>especially with ssds, it makes no sense to erase, as the ssd most likely will compress the zeros, and nothing gets deleted
20:45<user_7434d34d98s494>(shuts down after trying to erase about 20% through complete)
20:45<quadrat>oO
20:45<user_7434d34d98s494>yeah i wanted to skip that anyway lol
20:45<user_7434d34d98s494>i will try to skip it next time
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20:49<user_7434d34d98s494>I really thought it forced the erasing with LUKS was selected, but there may be a way to skip the erase
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20:51<quadrat>at least with the expert installer you can just select cancel and it will move on to the normal disk partitioning user_7434d34d98s494
20:52<user_7434d34d98s494>i will try that again. i have it boxed up to go back. so i will try it later. thanks!
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20:54<DellGuy>Okay, so I'm back in the rescue interface.
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20:54<DellGuy>According to fdisk, /dev/sdb is my current boot partition -- not strange, it's the USB I booted from.
20:54<quadrat>verify with lsblk which drive is which
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20:55<DellGuy>sda1 is at the mount point /boot/efi
20:56<DellGuy>and sda2 is at /boot
20:56<DellGuy>Installing grub at sda, sda1 or sda2 fails.
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20:57<quadrat>which command are you using?
20:57<somiaj>what is the fail meesage?
20:57<somiaj>it should be /dev/sda which will then install it in the efi partition /dev/sda1
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20:58<DellGuy>I'm using the command: "Reinstall GRUB" from the Debian Live USB menu
20:58<DellGuy>The fail message is:
20:59<DellGuy>Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing `grub-install /dev/sda` failed. This is a fatal error.
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21:00<DellGuy>I should note that lsblk shows my encrypted drive, too, with logical (?) partitions, debian--vg-root and debian--vg-swap
21:00<somiaj>the efi partition should be outside of the encryption, so that shouldn't be an issue. Might have to open up a terminal, is there an option to open up a terminal that is chrooted in your install?
21:01<DellGuy>sda3_crypt is TYPE: crypt and vg-root and vg-swap_1 is TYPE LVM, and mountpoint: /
21:01<DellGuy>Yeah, exactly.
21:01<Sqrt{not}>DellGuy, how big is the /boot partition, and how close to full is it?
21:01<quadrat>DellGuy you booted legacy mode, not uefi that's why grub is trying to install grub in mbr mode, not uefi
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21:02<DellGuy>somiaj: I can open a terminal from the rescue interfacte, that's where I can do lsblk. Not sure if its chrooted.. Not sure what that is.
21:02<Sqrt{not}>DellGuy, can you run the command "df" ?
21:04<DellGuy>Sqrt{not}: the /boot partition is 244M, can't tell how full it is.
21:04<DellGuy>Sqrt{not}: Trying "df"
21:04<DellGuy>Yes, I can.
21:04<DellGuy>Ah.
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21:04<somiaj>DellGuy: Well if you are chrooted (the grub rescue mode should chroot for you, if not you have an extra step)
21:04<DellGuy>dev/sda2 is 98 % full
21:05<DellGuy>and is mounted as /boot, like I said earlier.
21:05<Sqrt{not}>you probably should delete some older versions of files from that partition
21:06<DellGuy>Sqrt{not}: all right, can I do that safely? Since it likely only holds grub, right?
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21:06<DellGuy>I thought reinstalling grub would simply overwrite the files there..
21:06<Sqrt{not}>no, it adds more files.
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21:06<Sqrt{not}>each file will have a version number of the kernel it is part of. delete some of the oldest ones you are no longer using
21:06<somiaj>how many older kernels od you have there, I would dpkg --purge the old kernels
21:07<DellGuy>Am in /boot now and did a "ls"
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21:08<user_7434d34d98s494>@quadrat i will try with a fresh install of deb.10.10.0 also after taking my "PQQ dietary supplement" (#1 that i have ever found) ;-) bye for now thanks again.
21:08<DellGuy>I'm on Debian 10 Buster
21:08<somiaj>you should use dpkg to remove the old kernels and not just delete them
21:08<DellGuy>I see a lot of files here called System.map-4.19.0-12, -14, -16, -17
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21:09<DellGuy>Will dpkg --purge sort that on its own?
21:09<somiaj>you have to state the package name you want to purge
21:09<somiaj>and of course be chrooted in your install
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21:09<DellGuy>Ah, of course.
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21:11<DellGuy>I ran "ls -t", the rub folder is at the top, naturally perhaps
21:11<DellGuy>grub folder*
21:11<Sqrt{not}>DellGuy, take somiaj's advice, and remove with dpkg
21:12<DellGuy>Sqrt{not}: Of course. Just trying to figure out which files to purge.
21:13<DellGuy>"ls -l -t" gave me a good list. Some files are from Oct, 2020.
21:14<DellGuy>"vmlinuz-4.19.0-12-amd64" and "config-"(same) and "Systems.map-"(same thing again)
21:14<somiaj>use dpkg -l | grep linux-image, and remove the old ones
21:14<Sqrt{not}>try: dpkg -l linux-image* for a list of
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21:15<somiaj>ahh maybe I don't need to pipe it to grep
21:15<oemb1905z>i guess this is a bad time to say i delete the old ones manually lmao
21:15<oemb1905z>(don't do that)
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21:16<DellGuy>lol
21:17<DellGuy>Okay, that command gave me a list of files (?)... However since it's the recovery terminal I can't see any columns past "Name", "Version", "Architecture" and "Description"
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21:17<DellGuy>Maybe I can pipe the result into a text file
21:18<Sqrt{not}>name should be enough, to purge them. description is the last column anyway
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21:19<Sqrt{not}>the "dpkg -l " command is giving you a list of package names, not file names
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21:20<DellGuy>Perfect. Now I know which ones to purge
21:20<somiaj>DellGuy: how many linux-image kernels do you have installed?
21:21<somiaj>you can basically uninstall all except the two most recent (usually it is nice to have a backup, but you really only need one)
21:22<DellGuy>"uname -r" tells me I'm on 4.19.0-17-amd64, and "dpkg -l linux-image*" shows me packages 0-6, 0-9, 0-10. 0-12, 0-14, 0-16 and 0-17
21:22<DellGuy>So I should be able to purge everything up to 0-12 safely
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21:25<DellGuy>I tried removing the oldest one, the file name ends in "unsigned". Does that matter? Error message: "Ignores request to remove linux-image.." which hasn't been installed.
21:26<DellGuy>"Ignores request to remove '[linux image filename]' which hasn't been installed."
21:26<DellGuy>Ah, purging the not "-unsigned" one worked.
21:26*Sqrt{not} has 19 old versions (probably uselessly) installed, but also has a 4GB /boot partition
21:26<DellGuy>Hehe
21:27<Sqrt{not}>yah, the very first column should say "ii" for installed packages
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21:33<DellGuy>Okay, weird. I might have done something bad now. As I uninstalled an older (I thought!) "safe" package, I got a bunch of error messages about it not being able to remove the "efi" folder since it wasn't empty...
21:33<DellGuy>I exited out of the shell and tried reinstalling grub -- still the same error
21:33<DellGuy>Rebooted back into the rescue interface
21:33<DellGuy>Now "df" looks different.
21:34<DellGuy>"/dev/sda2" is mounted as "/target/boot" and dev/sda1 is mounted as /target/boot/efi
21:34<DellGuy>"dev/sdb1/ is now mounted as /cdrom
21:34<DellGuy>???
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21:36<DellGuy>Okay, /target/boot still has newer and older packages, though...
21:36<DellGuy>Should I try reinstalling grub there, as in on sda2, meaning sda
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21:42<DellGuy>I'm giving up for tonight. Thanks so much for all of your help. Will keep trying tomorrow.
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23:22<xadrvrysyx>i need some help
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23:28<coc0nut>is it possible to add folders to the sidebar of the default file manager on debian?
23:28<oemb1905z>ctrl-d
23:28<coc0nut>sweet <3 :)
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