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---Logopened Thu Jun 24 00:00:41 2021
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01:10<Tas-sos>Hello Debian GNU/Linux community! o/
01:11<Tas-sos>I try to create an account in salsa.debian.org but for now "is pending approval from your GitLab administrator and hence blocked."
01:11<themill>Tas-sos: it will presumably be in a little queue to get processed. #salsa is just over there → though.
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01:15<Tas-sos>themill: OK! Thank you :-)
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01:42<aryaneel>Ok
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01:44<urk>I am experiencing a delay in attaching a recently uploaded file, and wondering how to eliminate this in the future? This has happened on various occasions, and is a nuisance. When opening the folder the attachment is there, but when trying to attach the image through a website portal it isn't to be found, but usually shows up at a later time frame. What is causing this problem?
01:45<aryaneel>What is the current os update which is based os
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01:46<urk>aryaneel: You speaking to me?
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01:51<NoGuest1_>morning
01:51<quadrat>hi
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03:18<ratrace>Last few weeks seems like they're solving ~10 RC bugs per week. Bullseye out in 13 weeks? :) https://xkcd.com/605/
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03:48<vv221[BI]>When working with source packages, for example with `apt build-dep`, `apt source` or `mk-build-dep`, is there a way to specify a specific version like we can for binary packages with package=version or package/suite?
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03:49<vv221[BI]>My use case is a rebuild of katarakt using Buster sources, on top of a Buster backport of experimental poppler libs.
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03:50<vv221[BI]>I could of course add experimental deb-src, get poppler sources, then drop experimental deb-src. But it does not look like the best way to handle that.
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03:50<ratrace>doesn't the -t options or packanamge/suite work with `apt source` ?
03:51<ratrace>loltypo.... packagename
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03:53<vv221[BI]>You're right, it works for both `apt source` and `apt build-dep`, I don't know why I misremembered these commands as not supporting the version/suite specification.
03:54<vv221[BI]>On the other hand it does not seem to work with mk-build-deps.
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03:55<selckin> /1
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03:57<vv221[BI]>I think I get it, mk-build-deps relies on `apt-cache showsrc` output, and for this one limiting the output to a specific version/suite does not seem possible.
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03:59<ratrace>vv221[BI]: shouldn't mk-build-deps work with current directory in unpackaged debsrc?
03:59<ratrace>or did I terribly gross-mis-remembered things
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04:02<vv221[BI]>Wow, thanks ratrace, this one is for #debian-til ;)
04:02<vv221[BI]>I always use it only with `mk-build-deps packagename`
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05:49<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, After clarification about clamav's limitations, I decided to test this other application to check whether or not I have any infected files in one of my Debian installations:
05:49<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1202222/
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05:52<r4fkramer>Although I was warned that a single application would not be able to exploit all possible types of likely file infections, 'rkhunter' presents an infected file.
05:54<r4fkramer>I was told that proper detection comes through defining specific security policies and after that observing which process fails to comply.
05:55<ratrace>r4fkramer: yes. have you defined them, and how? and what are you using for audit?
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05:56<ratrace>r4fkramer: also, do you understand the rkhunter warning you posted?
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05:57<r4fkramer>hi ratrace, I used your explanation you gave me some days ago. Not yet. But, first of all: is 'rkhunter' believable ? You said me (others also did the same) clamav is the weakest tool for that.
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05:58<ratrace>r4fkramer: it also has false positives
05:58<ratrace>the warning you get is an example of one. it checks file against a database of what it thinks the files should be, and doesn't account for distro and version differences.
05:59<r4fkramer>Surely I will study about 'rkhunter'. But, at this point, I just would like to be informed if whether it is worth investing in the analysis procedures of this new application.
05:59<r4fkramer>Ok, so it is a false positive too....
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06:01<r4fkramer>ratrace, answering you better about what you asked me before: This kind of more critical and analytical analysis I admit I haven't done yet. Anyway, I notice a certain slowness in the functioning of my Debian for some time now.
06:03<r4fkramer>Please, ratrace, Where, how can I learn this way of analyzing the question You get? Would the Official Debian Handbook on Security Policy be the best way?
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06:05<Walex>r4fkramer: of course you already know that programs like "rkhunter" cannot be run by the same system image they are analyzing, so my mentioning it is redundant...
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06:05<Walex>s/cannotb e run by/are pointless to run in/
06:06<r4fkramer>Hi Walex, thanks for answering. Now I remember it doesn't make sense scanning a hd using an application installed on it. I was advertised about it before.
06:06<ratrace>r4fkramer: the Securing Debian section of the handbook is definitely worth a read, but no, it doesn't cover all you can do, especially not hte part I was talking about. The part I was talking about involves using SELinux or AppArmor and define proper mandatory access control policies.
06:07<ratrace>r4fkramer: this is really the best you can do because you define what programs should be able to do in what context, and if a program misbehaves (because the MAC framework logged a denial for example) it could be either due to misconfiguration, or indeed a security breach.
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06:08<ratrace>in my view, intrusion detection (one way via said MAC audits) is orders of magnitude better than running signature based tools like clamav or rkhunter, or anything similar.
06:09<r4fkramer>There's a good book about SELinux - about 480 pages I think. Please, according your personal experience, do you use SELinux and Apparmor together, or just one of them ?
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06:10<r4fkramer>Please, don't be shocked by the questions: they are certainly quite naive to You, almost meaningless.
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06:12<r4fkramer>I asked this question, because I've seen reports on several websites, where they seek to establish a comparative analysis between SELinux and Apparmor, establishing a comparison between them, in diametrically opposite positions between the two applications.
06:14<r4fkramer>I'm considering read this book: https://www.letmeread.net/selinux-system-administration-3rd-edition/
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06:16<ratrace>r4fkramer: I don't think you can use them together. I personally use AppArmor, primarily because it's native on Debian
06:18<r4fkramer>I had already thought this way too, as SELinux comes from the Red Hat ecosystem, and I always prefer native Debian applications.
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06:20<ratrace>r4fkramer: well by that logic, AppArmor is Novell's/SuSE's and nowadays Canonical is the upstream
06:21<ratrace>you can use SELinux on debian too, but the reference policy is a bit of a mess and requires a lot of tweaking. that said, for some of my use cases, AppArmor actually fits better and is already default, so I don't have to bend the system backwards to comply.
06:25<r4fkramer>I see ratrace, I'll read your analysis again and search for a book about Apparmor. Thank you for answering again. Always Fine talking and learning from yours :)
06:26<r4fkramer>I must go now, unfortunately.
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07:41<user0001>Hello. I'm having some troubles. I installed Debian but it only gives me a command line. I presume its because I don't have a DE but at the same time I don't have wifi configured. When I research online it says I need to use ifconfig but it doesn't appear to be installed either
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07:41<ratrace>user0001: so you deliberately installed without a DE?
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07:42<user0001>not sure. It didn't ask me to
07:42<ratrace>user0001: which ISO did you use?
07:42<user0001>the one at the website
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07:42<ratrace>user0001: yeah which one?
07:42<user0001>let me find it
07:43<user0001>10.9
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07:44<ratrace>I meant which ISO, among several offered for download, did you use.
07:44<user0001>what do you mean?
07:44<ratrace>my point being, I'm not sure what the "Live ISO" installer presents as options, but the "regular" ISO installation media, netinst included, definitely offer desktop selection dialog and in fact _default_ to gnome
07:44<ratrace>user0001: which part is confusing?
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07:45<ratrace>there's live media, there's "regular" installers, in DVD, CD or netinst variant. firmware ISOs as well
07:45<user0001>the name of the iso is debian-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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07:45<ratrace>so if this is fresh installation, perhaps it'd be faster to just reinstall, than fiddle with wpa_supplicant to get wifi going
07:46<user0001>do I need to partition again?
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07:46<ratrace>at the very least you'd have to define which one is for the rootfs, so yeah you'll have to go throuhg partitioning, but you can reuse existing setup
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07:47<user0001>ok thanks
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07:49<ratrace>user0001: btw, that's an older ISO you've got there? 10.10 has been latest for a while now
07:49<ratrace>you can use 10.9 just make sure you run full upgrade post-installation
07:50<user0001>thanks for letting me know
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07:58<vetrivelmuruan>ok
07:58<vetrivelmuruan>i am in mx linux and i cant install firefox
07:59<grove>!mxlinux
07:59<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
07:59<vetrivelmuruan>mx is bast on antiX which is based on debian
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07:59<bentham>!based on debian
07:59<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
08:00<vetrivelmuruan>thank you for your support
08:00<bentham>sorry my friend
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08:01<ratrace>like watching a tennis match! :)
08:02<bentham>game, set, match.
08:03<ratrace>bingo.
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08:37<common-clinic>hello
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08:38<asiele_>hi common-clinic
08:39<common-clinic>asiele_: cool. this works :)
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08:41<common-clinic>wb
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08:51<common-clinic>1015 members
08:51<common-clinic>say something
08:51<blast007>!chat
08:51<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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08:52<common-clinic>something
08:52<petn-randall>hi common-clinic, do you have a Debian support question?
08:52<common-clinic>oh i'm in the wrong channel. nvm
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08:57<user0001_>where do I find firmware b43/ucode11.fw and b43-open/ucode11.fw?
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08:58<petn-randall>user0001_: `apt-file search ucode11.fw` will tell you which package it is in.
08:58<blast007>!b43-fwcutter
08:58<dpkg>Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
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08:59<user0001_>this is on install. How do I use the terminal?
08:59<blast007>do you have another working network connection on that system?
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09:00<user0001_>yes
09:00<user0001_>on windows
09:00<blast007>no, I mean when you're in Debian
09:00<petn-randall>user0001_: Can you temporarily connect that machine via Ethernet to get internet access?
09:00<user0001_>I'm trying to install Debian and its telling me I'm missing network drivers
09:01<user0001_>I can try
09:01<user0001_>wait a sec
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09:01<blast007>if you can, then just install Debian using the wired connection, and then use the b43-fwcutter on the installed system to get the wifi firmware
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09:02<petn-randall>user0001_: The problem with b43 is that it's non-distributable, so Debian can't even ship those non-free drivers with the firmware installer. So you'll need to complete the installation via Ethernet (or other network, just not b43), and then install the fw-cutter to get the b43 firmware.
09:02<common-clinic>user0001_: you may want to take a look https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
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09:03<blast007>common-clinic: that won't help
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09:03<blast007>the b43 firmware is not in there as it can't be distributed
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10:30<scorpion2185[m]>can I set automatic backports kernel upgrade? what is `linux-support-5.10.0-0.bpo.7`?
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10:47<vv221[BI]>scorpion2185[m], yes, you only need to install linux-image-amd64 from backports.
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10:47<vv221[BI]>(assuming your architecture is amd64)
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10:49<wyre>hi everyone, I'm working on this script to toggle overlayfs for rootfs https://gist.github.com/jfernandz/bfb1285114c136ac2b86320cb06c3904#file-toggle-overlayfs
10:50<wyre>as you can see it's based on raspi-config from raspberry but I find it useful
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10:51<wyre>the point is that it's adding a module to the initramfs to mount rootfs before the user space is reached
10:51<wyre>but I'm having problems with the script itself https://gist.github.com/jfernandz/bfb1285114c136ac2b86320cb06c3904#file-toggle-overlayfs-L42
10:52<wyre>some applications says that there is no space left in the defice
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10:52<wyre>s/defice/device/
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10:52<wyre>I mean they say "No space left on device"
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10:53<wyre>so the applications have apparently problems to write in the device
10:53<wyre>why do you think is this?
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10:53<wyre>mainly the problem is with /var (which makes sense, because according the FHS, that folder is for variable contents)
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10:54<petn-randall>wyre: Likely your overlayfs is not large enough.
10:54<wyre>but ... in RaspberryPi this works nice
10:54<wyre>petn-randall, hmm ... where is that specified?
10:54<wyre>I can't see any size specified in the script
10:55<wyre>in the initramfs script, I mean
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11:09<wyre>petn-randall, I can see the overlay fs is 3.8G large in df output https://paste.debian.net/1202267/
11:10<wyre>but as I've said ... I can't see any size parameter in the script which is mounting it https://gist.github.com/jfernandz/bfb1285114c136ac2b86320cb06c3904#file-toggle-overlayfs-L42
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11:27<scorpion2185[m]>vv221[BI]: thanks, so it also installs the bpo.7 but not the headers
11:27<vv221>For the headers there is a meta-package too, linux-headers-amd64 ;)
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11:28<scorpion2185[m]>and what is the use of the linux-support-...?
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11:29<vv221>This one I don’t know, it’s the first time I read about its existence.
11:29<vv221>I’m quite sure I never installed it on any computer, so I would guess it is useful only in specific use cases.
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11:30<scorpion2185[m]>is for when you build the kernel maybe?
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11:34<vv221[BI]>No, even when building the kernel I had no use for it.
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11:34<YASHLODHA>hi
11:35<bremner>!ask
11:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
11:35<YASHLODHA>i am having problem while boot and shutdown i dont want to display codes
11:35<YASHLODHA>just like windows
11:35<YASHLODHA>mx linux
11:36<imMute>!mx
11:36<dpkg>hmm... mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
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11:36<imMute>!mxlinux
11:36<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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11:36<YASHLODHA>can i run wine on 32 bit linux
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11:37<YASHLODHA>windows application like photoshop
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11:37<scorpion2185[m]>If you want to use photoshop why don't you try gimp instead?
11:38<YASHLODHA>i find similar but cannot recognize its tools
11:40<vv221[BI]>You can run Windows applications on Debian, through WINE or other tools, I do it for hundreds of closed source video games with no native build ;)
11:41<vv221[BI]>Photoshop on the other hand, I never tried. I guess it is highly dependant on the version you are trying to run.
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11:42<vv221[BI]>It might be a bit too specific for this channel, I would advise asking for help on WINE IRC channel: https://www.winehq.org/irc
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11:50<YASHLODHA>ny games for linux
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11:53<ratrace>install steam
11:54<YASHLODHA>through terminal code plz
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11:56<ratrace>what?
11:56<vv221[BI]>I would advise against installing Steam, to the surprise of no-one having already heard me talk about video games ;)
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14:02<cpo>Hi, I wonder if this is the right place to ask one of the maintainers. I recently switched our live distribution (VyOS) which is Debian based from Buster -> Bullseye for the bleeding edge development branch.
14:02<cpo>I noticed that with the introduction of multilib (or was it multiarch) support this seems to no longer work: https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/live-boot/-/blob/master/backend/initramfs-tools/live.hook#L47
14:03<cpo>There are no more libs in /lib but rather (for x86_64) in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu - I have not found a way to check which would be the right arch to search the file in
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14:13<bremner>cpo: you might try #debian-live
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14:20<cpo>thanks
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14:33<somiaj>cpo: think you have your termonology a bit confused. Multiarch has been in debian for years and years, I think you are running into usrmerge which is making links so /bin -> /usr/bin, /sbin -> /usr/sbin, /lib -> /usr/lib, /lib32 -> /usr/lib32, /lib64 -> /usr/lib64 and so on.
14:34<somiaj>cpo: just make sure you have the usrmerge package installed to help with this, as it will soon be the only way (bullseye will be the last release that allows you to not use usrmerge)
14:34<somiaj>note if doing fresh installs you shouldn't need it, but usrmerge is a package to help do the transition if it hasn't been done yet
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14:37<jhutchins>somiaj: Do you know what the rationale was to put them all under /usr?
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14:38<somiaj>Not quite sure, but I wonder if a read only / has anything to do with it
14:39<somiaj>though I think it is a good place, kinda isolates all software in /usr
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14:39<somiaj>https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/
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14:40<jhutchins>Ah, thank you, will read. I don't disagree with the merge.
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14:42<somiaj>ahh seems there is some argument ot a single location /usr, for sharing the file system as read-only with guests, or network mounts, etc
14:42<somiaj>jhutchins: I find it intersting how many standards we accept today just due to limitations of the past. Pipes for instance and the idea of having small one task programs were mostly an effect of not enough memeory to run bigger programs, and pipes simplifed saving the input/output each step.
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14:43<somiaj>not that I'm against single stask programs and pipes to achieve things, thinking this is a unix staple and all programs should do this is mostly thinking in terms of acient hardware, a mix of programs is often best IMO.
14:44<sarnold>ryouma: woot! thanks for reporting back the good news :D
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14:54<furrymcgee>do you have a policy for -doc packages?
14:55<somiaj>furrymcgee: in what sense?
14:55<somiaj>note that policy requires all binaries have a manual page, so -doc packages contain additional docs
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14:58<furrymcgee>when is a doc package recommended?
14:58<cpo>somiaj: thanks for the hint, but my problem is the live-boot package expects a library /lib/libacl.so.1 but in BUllseye this rather resides in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libacl.so.1 - maybe this is another can of worms
14:59<somiaj>cpo: yea, /lib is a link to /usr/lib, so that shouldn't be an issue, seems that file was moved?
14:59<cpo>somiaj: yeah - all libs from /lib except the dynamic loader got moved into /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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15:00<somiaj>cpo: seems libacl.so.1 has been in an arch specific /lib/lib-foo for a while now, so it might be that /lib now links to /usr/lib
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15:01<somiaj>hmm, on my non usrmerge system /lib is not a link and filled with stuff, wonder why you are looking for it in that place
15:02<somiaj>even as far back as jessie it has always been /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libacl.so.1, and the only change is it is now /usr/lib/X86_64-linux-gnu (and /lib -> /usr/lib putting it where you mentioned)
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15:05<somiaj>the linker should know to look in the right arch specific directory, could your issue be independent of the usrmerge (which isn't an issue here) but due to the linker not looking in the correct arch specific subdirectory of /lib
15:05<somiaj>furrymcgee: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html
15:06<somiaj>furrymcgee: "Any additional documentation that comes with the package may be installed at the discretion of the package maintainer. " -- if it is just a few docs, putting it in /usr/share/doc/packagename is often sufficent, if there is a lot a seperate -doc package could be useful.
15:07<somiaj>furrymcgee: also it isn't uncommon for documentation to have immutable paragraphs, which makes it non-free to debian, and needs to be in a seperate package to live in non-free (even gnu / fsf docs are often in non-free)
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15:07<cpo>somiaj: the linker knows its locations, but the simple "cp" statement I am facing not
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15:08<somiaj>cpo: strange, but since that lib hasn't been in /lib/filename since as far back as jessie, I'm not sure why it is looking there or worked in buster and not bullseye (as the location of the lib didn't really change except for usrmerge which shouldn't be a factor due to the link)
15:09<somiaj>though if using live-build, as mentioned #debian-live is probably more appropriate, I'm not that famialr with this, just stating the info I have found online
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15:10<cpo>somiaj: well that at least enlightened me in a different way. ALready asked in #debian-live - thanks
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15:13<furrymcgee>I would like to know what packages do install-docs -i ... during installation
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15:15<somiaj>furrymcgee: install-docs is part of 'doc-base' package, so you could probably use apt/aptitude to do a reverse depends search and search all packages that depend on doc-base
15:15<somiaj>I don't think you can explicity search the postinstall scripts that would run that command, but depending on doc-base is probably a good sign
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15:15<somiaj>yea since install-docs is the only binary in that package, a very good sign
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15:21<furrymcgee>is this enforced in lintian?
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15:23<somiaj>furrymcgee: not quite sure what you mean, read the policy link I shared. Outside of requrining manual pages for all binaries (Which lintian triggers on), it is matainer discgression how they deal with any additional docs that come with a package
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15:57<furrymcgee>I like to have man pages for every command but they have limitations so I was wondering if there are some recommendations for other docs in debian
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16:03<somiaj>furrymcgee: manual pages are required by policy, other documtation is optional. Matainers sometimes write their own manual pages or use the output of command --help with just a bit of flavor around it
16:04<somiaj>if you have a command in debian that doesn't have a manual page, you could file a bug report
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16:05<somiaj>If no manual page is available, this is considered as a bug and should be reported to the Debian Bug Tracking System (the maintainer of the package is allowed to write this bug report themselves, if they so desire). Do not close the bug report until a proper man page is available.
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16:31<chamomile-zombie>Is it possib
16:32<chamomile-zombie>is it possible to configure the gnome screen keyboad to show clickable ctrl tan and arrow key?
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16:37<nx>Debian stable has Wayland support?
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16:37<petn-randall>nx: yes
16:37<nx>thanks @petn-randall
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16:38<nx>How do I check these Wayland options? Probably a Gnome issue but I keep getting an error message about failed to start XServer during boot, fresh install btw
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16:39<nx>gdm to be more precise
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16:40<petn-randall>nx: In gdm, you should have two options before login: "Gnome" and "Gnome (fallback)". At least I think that' show they're called. "fallback" is classic xserver, and the regular one is wayland.
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16:44<nx>@petn-randall Oh okay useful to know. I never reach a graphical screen and working from cmdline to solve. I haven't provided enough context, so I'll go away and test some more.
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16:45<petn-randall>nx: Ah, so starting gdm fails?
16:45<nx>Correct
16:45<petn-randall>nx: You should be able to see the error messages with `journalctl -u gdm`.
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16:46<nx>I got a about 10 errors. They all had a mention to gdm-X-session failed. But I'll take another look @petn-randall
16:46<nx>Yup, from journal
16:47<petn-randall>nx: Did it work before, or is this a fresh install?
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16:48<user0001->Hello. I have Debian installed. How would I install the bc43/ucode11.fw drivers now?
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16:52<petn-randall>!b43-fwcutter
16:52<dpkg>Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
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16:52<petn-randall>user0001-: You need at least contrib enabled, and then you can install "b43-fwcutter". ^^^
16:52<petn-randall>(also congrats on successfully installing Debian!)
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16:53<nx>@petn-randall fresh install
16:54<petn-randall>nx: Which graphics card do you have?
16:56<user0001->thanks
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16:58<user0001->where do I go for enabling contrib? /etc/apt/sources.lst is empty
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17:03<user0001->it gives me an error. Unable to locate package b43-fwcutter
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17:05<nx>Got an APU, Ryzen5 3400GE, comes with RX Vega 11 support @petn-randall
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17:05<jhutchins>somiaj: The standard linux partitioning scheme. Made sense when they were separate devices the size of washing machines.
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17:06<jhutchins>I usually put my scripts in /usr/local/bin
17:06<petn-randall>user0001-: So you updated /etc/apt/sources.list. Did you run `apt update` after that? It's needed if you change the sources.
17:07<jhutchins>!b43
17:07<dpkg>b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>, or for bluetooth firmware <bcmhybridbt>
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17:17<sychill>i would like to know which files in /etc/* have been altered from the stock versions, and which ones never changed since the install script ran
17:18<sychill>i don't suppose there's an easy way to find that out
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17:23<sychill>i suppose if there were a mechanism for that, Debian's installer would be smarter than it is now about whether to merge config files
17:25<Mister00X>sychill: I belive debsums -ce is what you are looking for
17:25<Mister00X>but you may need to install debsums for that
17:27<sychill>thanks! it might be worth it. I'm migrating and need to work out what configs will need to merge
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17:28<Mister00X>sychill: also dpkg or apt should notify you about changes in conigs and ask you which one it shall take the new or the old one
17:30<Mister00X>s/conigs/configs
17:31<newtons>sychill: dpkg --verify
17:31<newtons>will compare local installed files with package metadata information (md5sum)
17:31<sychill>well i did a debootstrap install first, and now i'm copying /etc/* so perhaps not the best order. Now I have to copy whatever configs i've customized and work out what to merge manually. then i will do a bunch of aptitude installs after that
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17:48<Walex>sychill: to preserve local configuration in '/etc/' there are some more systematic option, one is to turn '/etc/' into a 'git' repository, with a "debian" branch and a "local" branch; another which I use is to hard-link all modified files under some directories, for example 'cp -lf --parents /etc/issue /root/local/'. etc. etc.
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17:51<Walex>an alternative to 'dpkg --verify' is 'debsums -c -e' that only checks files marked as "configuration", but 'debsums -c -a' should give the same results ideally.
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17:53<ryouma>it's a confusing problem for me, to find out what i have changed since installation. i wrote about 6 different shell pipelines using aptitude and dpkg and so on. and never really figured out which one was best. perhaps just copying /etc after installation could be useful. there is also apt-clone, which might be worth investigating. in the end, i prefer copying to installing.
17:54<ryouma>sychill:
17:54<ryouma>i use etckeeper, but i don't use it for merging
17:55<Tj>ryouma: we use a simple overlayfs
17:56<ryouma>what is the workflow
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17:56<Walex>Tj: that is cheating... :-)
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17:56<ryouma>Walex: also what is the workflow for git there, keep it in debian branch unless you change soething in which case put it in local branch, and then merge ... when?
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17:57<Tj>firstly, base /etc/ remains package-installer pristine and is a lower-layer of the overlay. In the read-write upper layer we use git to track history.
17:58<Walex>ryouma: the workflow is the same as with "vendor" releases of every package: you keep adding "vendor" released files on the "vendor" branch and periodically merge with the "local" branch. It is a bother.
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17:59*Walex has been using hard-linking for decades and it is cheap and easy to at least identify the changed files.
18:00<Tj>For single systems I used to put all my local changes under /usr/local/etc/ and symlink over to /etc/, and sometimes use dpkg-divert for package-included configs (doesn't help for those created/installed by the .postinst script )
18:01<Walex>Tj: what "ryouma" was implying is the issue pd updated upstream configuration files when one does package updates...
18:02<Tj>packages using the conf.d/ drop-ins has made things easier over the years
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18:04<user0001>hello. it worked but now i c an't figure out how to connect to wifi. there isn't an option other than ethernet
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18:05<sussudio>blabla firmware
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18:50<ratrace>!parrot
18:50<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org.
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18:59<aloo_shu>ooops, not sure if that's the case with #parrotsec, but dpkg's factoids may need a general revision wrt irc references
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19:03<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, parrot =~ s/Freenode/irc.libera.chat/
19:03<dpkg>OK, Sqrt{not}
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19:06<RoyK>!parrot
19:06<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on irc.libera.chat or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org.
19:07<aloo_shu>is that confirmed from their matrix place? website still says freenode, but it also says (c) 2019 ..
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19:08<aloo_shu>tricky situation, debian doesn't want to do all the researching, but you don't want to send ppl to re-owned channels, neither
19:09<Sqrt{not}>the libera channel is at lease up and populated (thinly)
19:09<RoyK>it's a glitch in the matrix…
19:09<Sqrt{not}>I don't know how matrix is involved
19:09<ratrace>so just leave the community page link in the factoid, and let them sort it out :)
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19:38<Sqrt{not}>FWIW, the topic of Libera's #parrotsec is: ParrotOS Official Channel -- Current version is 4.11
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19:40<Unit193>!parrot
19:40<dpkg>Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on irc.libera.chat or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org.
19:41<Unit193>\o/
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19:46<aloo_shu>Sqrt{not}: ah ok, good
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19:47<aloo_shu>now someone would need to grep for all factoids mentioning freenode
19:47<aloo_shu>!kali
19:47<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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19:47<aloo_shu>ahhh bueno
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19:48<aloo_shu>something's happened already
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19:51<sney>just going through them gradually afaict
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19:51<sney>I've fixed a couple
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19:59<dvs>Fix the other 133!
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20:05<Sqrt{not}>make the other 133 -> 1337
20:05<Sqrt{not}>or is that 133, as in lee ?
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20:08<Sqrt{not}>a quick scan gives actually 313 results here
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20:10<Sqrt{not}>%amsn
20:10<dselect>aMSN (Alvaro's Messenger) is an open source <MSN Messenger> clone. http://www.amsn-project.net/faq.php #amsn on irc.freenode.net. Not part of the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release due to bug #654540.
20:10<dvs>7???
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20:11<Sqrt{not}>probably not urgent to fix that one
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20:14<ElPresidente>lol
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20:30<trench>Sqrt{not}: does that shit still works?
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20:30<sney>probably not, since msn was folded into skype a while back
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20:30<Sqrt{not}>ummm, I never had the urge to try MSN, honestly
20:32<Sqrt{not}>I installed skype once on a test buster laptop, but it's been re-installed with several other test installs since then. worked OK for me.
20:32<sney>there's always bitlbee too.
20:33<Sqrt{not}>luckily, bitlbee's support is on OFTC
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20:35<Sqrt{not}>Or maybe not anymore.
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20:41<trench>TCP_DENIED/403 4214 POST http://gateway.messenger.hotmail.com/gateway/gateway.dll? - HIER_NONE/- text/html
20:41<trench>:P
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21:31<lhvf>Hello Debian GNU/Linux Support Channel! By following the public logs: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/06/24 >, I could suggest this URL (FWIW): → < https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=bitlbee >: Freenode (indeed now is `Linode`, long story) is currently dead, is was abandoned. Just try DALnet Network instead with Kiwi WebChat: < https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.dal.net >; < `https://www.dal.net/` >;.
21:32<lhvf>[...] *it* was abandoned [...]
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21:35<lhvf>For a Support Channel working < https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=bitlbee >; < https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.r.html >; (I meant).
21:36<sychill>Walex: is there a reason you chose hard links instead of soft links to track /etc/* changes?
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21:42<ryouma>the only guess i can offer is that if you have a .d dir, you can change sequence without breaking links
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21:46<sychill>ah, that makes sense
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21:46<lhvf>trench , Sqrt{not} : This my above hint could served to help in anything?
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23:09<coc0nut>-bash: python: command not found
23:09<coc0nut>using sid
23:09<coc0nut>pyton 2.7 and 3.9 is installed
23:10<quadrat>python is not symlinked
23:10<quadrat>when you want to use it, symlink it yourself or install python-is-python3 or python-is-python2
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23:11<coc0nut>cool thx!
23:11<quadrat>coc0nut next time #debian-next is more appropiate for sid question
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23:25<mendel_munkis>I am trying to view the debug output of a program similar to split, is there any simple way of redirecting all file creations from a process to /dev/null?
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