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00:00<bigassking>weirdly even after i close the file manager, the screen stays frozen
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00:11<Sqrt{not}>bigassking, when you get this freeze, how much memory is free? Do you have any swap defined?
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00:13<bigassking>i have a swap defined
00:13<bigassking>haven't ccked memory tho, and i dunno how to
00:14<bigassking>what's the command for tha?
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00:16<tizef>hi guys, I am new with scripts, once I have my script, where should I put it ?
00:16<tizef>I mean in which folder ?
00:19<bigassking>i guess 'free -m' for memory right?
00:20<bigassking>you can place your script in a directory contained in your PATH
00:20<bigassking>so that you can run it easily
00:21<Sqrt{not}>bigassking, yes, or just "free" alsone
00:21<Sqrt{not}>alone
00:22<bigassking>ok, i'll reboot in a sec
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00:28<tizef>here is my script[not my actually, a friend who should sleep at that time]: https://paste.debian.net/1202547/ so I suppose I have to drop that script in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness ?
00:29<tizef>[I mean who is probably sleeping right now]
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00:31<bigassking>ok, free says my memory usage is pretty low both before and after the weird behaviour
00:32<bigassking>before running firefox i have 220000 kb of used memory
00:32<bigassking>after running firefox i am using 3 times that, but i still have an order of magnitude more free memory
00:33<bigassking>swap isn't used at all
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00:35<Sqrt{not}>so, during the weird behavior, still lots of free memory and unused swap. OK, that isn't it apparently
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00:38<bigassking>yup
00:38<bigassking>i can also kill the X server and login again
00:38<bigassking>and it works fine (until i open firefox or thunar)
00:39<bigassking>havent' checked other browsers tho
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00:40<bigassking>also just switching once to a textmode terminal has the same effect
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00:40<Sqrt{not}>what do you mean?
00:43<bigassking>i mean, i press ctrl-alt-f1 to open the textmode terminal thing
00:43<bigassking>and run pkill X
00:43<bigassking>then i can login again
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00:44<bigassking>if i enter my pass everythings fine, i can open a few programs and so on
00:45<bigassking>if i then press ctrl-alt-f1 again , and then go back to the graphical enviroment with c-alt-f7
00:45<bigassking>the screen won't refresh anymore
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00:45<bigassking>just as if i had tried to open firefox or thunar
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00:46<tizef>ok I got my fix
00:47<Sqrt{not}>so, sometimes the graphical environment on VT7 is stuck, but you can always switch to a text terminal at VT1, and it works still, is that right?
00:47<bigassking>yep
00:47<Sqrt{not}>what do you see if you run "top" on your text terminal, while the graphical environment is stuck?
00:48<bigassking>hmm what should i look for?
00:49<bigassking>i get a few processes
00:49<Sqrt{not}>I would look at which processes seem to be using too much CPU (or all of it)
00:49<bigassking>systemd, Xorg, xfce4-appfinder
00:50<bigassking>that last one i opened before it got stuck
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00:51<Sqrt{not}>when you get stuck like this, how long do you wait to see if it unsticks itself, before you give up and kill it?
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00:51<bigassking>btw even when i am in this "stuck" mode the screen might refresh occasionaly (once in a blue moon) and the mouse changes when i hover over text and stuff
00:52<bigassking>firefox works, i can open youtube and listen to a video
00:52<Sqrt{not}>also, what is the load average like when you look at top, when it is stuck?
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00:52<bigassking>0.27
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00:53<bigassking>hmmm i've waited for a few minutes
00:54<bigassking>it's legit like X just forgets to refresh the display lol but the programs are still running
00:54<Sqrt{not}>I wonder if you are missing some firmware or other video drivers?
00:55<bigassking>i have xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
00:55<bigassking>and firmware-amd-graphics
00:56<bigassking>i used the nonfree image when i installed
00:56<Sqrt{not}>does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" say anything interesting?
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00:58<bigassking>i get a few entries like
00:58<bigassking>amdgpu 0000:00:01.0 firmware: direct-loading firmware amdgpu/something.bin
00:59<bigassking>and a few failures for ath10k
00:59<bigassking>which is my wifi card i think
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00:59<bigassking>but wifi works allright
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01:00<Sqrt{not}>ahh, the failures are more interesting. yes, that is wifi.
01:00<Sqrt{not}>%ath10k
01:00<dselect>ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-atheros package to provide.
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01:01<bigassking>im back sorry
01:01<Sqrt{not}>ahh, the failures are more interesting. yes, that is wifi.
01:01<Sqrt{not}>%ath10k
01:01<dselect>ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-atheros package to provide.
01:03<Sqrt{not}>But if the firmware lines about video all look successful, that is good anyway.
01:03<bigassking>firmware-atheros is already the newest version
01:03<bigassking>according to apt
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01:04<Sqrt{not}>Are you using only wifi for network here?
01:05<bigassking>yep
01:05<Sqrt{not}>maybe we should look at those ath10k failures then, that could sure stall something like firefox. exactly what is the error message?
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01:06<bigassking>it's not only firefox causing trouble tho
01:06<bigassking>the file manager has the same effect
01:06<bigassking>anyway, i got
01:07<bigassking>ath10k_pci 0000 ... firmware: failed to load atk10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin (-2)
01:08<bigassking>then the same with ath10k/cal-pci-0000...bin
01:09<bigassking>and three other messages that don't look like errors
01:09<bigassking>direct loading firmware ath10k/QC9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin
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01:10<bigassking> direct loading firmware ath10k/QC9377/hw1.0/board-2.bin
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01:17<bigassking>hmm interesting update. i can open thunar and click on text files
01:17<Sqrt{not}>Does the wifi seem to work OK ? I think those "cal" things are not mission critical, they are some kind of calibrations things?
01:17<jhutchins>!firmware
01:17<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
01:17<bigassking>yeah internet works great
01:17<bigassking>i can use apt to install packages just fine
01:17<Sqrt{not}>what is it that makes thunar stall?
01:18<bigassking>i dont know, but if i open mousepad by clicking on a text file from thunar
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01:18<bigassking>the screen does a one time refresh
01:18<bigassking>and i can read the file
01:18<bigassking>i can repeat the process a few times
01:19<bigassking>and open many files
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01:19<bigassking>the screen is still normally frozen, it just does a few one-time refreshings when i click around stuff
01:19<bigassking>inside the tunar window
01:19<bigassking>its very weird
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01:20<Sqrt{not}>when the screen is frozen, you can still see the mouse moving around then?
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01:21<bigassking>yes the mouse is fne
01:21<bigassking>fine, it reacts to text and links
01:22<bigassking>i can also resize windows although the effect isnt apparent
01:22<bigassking>until it refreshes arbitrarily
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01:24<bigassking>i used an old usb drive for the installation, is it possible that i have corrupted binaries?
01:24<bigassking>or would that just crash
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01:26<Sqrt{not}>it's possible I guess. what version did you install from? do you know the name of the .iso file?
01:26<bigassking>i can tell you in sec
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01:27<bigassking>debian-live-10.9.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso
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01:29<Sqrt{not}>that's a nice recent one. Have you done an apt upgrade since the install?
01:30<bigassking>yes i did
01:30<bigassking>before doing it the desktop was pretty much frozen completely
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01:31<bigassking>i couldn't even open small stuff
01:31<bigassking>like xterm
01:31<Sqrt{not}>hmm, that is very interesting.
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01:31<bigassking>ok i can see now that focusing different windows makes the screen refresh
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01:31<bigassking>i have firefox and mousepad open
01:32<bigassking>clicking on the mousepad window when focus is on the fiefx one somehow prompts the screen to refresh
01:32<Sqrt{not}>it might be worth one more time: apt update; apt upgrade
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01:33<bigassking>all packages up to date
01:33<Sqrt{not}>OK, good
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01:36<Sqrt{not}>I don't know what else to suggest. But I would say if you can see the mouse moving, and you can click inside differnet windows and get a reaction, it is not correct to say the screen is frozen. maybe some programs inside a window are not responsive.
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01:39<bigassking>well the screen is frozen when i dont click around stuff
01:39<bigassking>i can open firefox and "watch" a video
01:39<bigassking>and it is frozen
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01:39<bigassking>i can hear the sound, but the firefox window has no movement
01:39<silver>its up to you guys to protect the pixel
01:39<silver>;)
01:40<bigassking>the clock on the top level bar for example wont update until i do that weird window focus hack
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01:41<whatsthetime>is racoon no longer in debian 10? :-(
01:41<whatsthetime>E: Package 'racoon' has no installation candidate
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01:42<silver>see ipsec-tools
01:42<whatsthetime>E: Unable to locate package ipsec-tools
01:42<Sqrt{not}>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ipsec-tools
01:43<Sqrt{not}>,v racoon
01:43<judd>Package: racoon on amd64 -- jessie: 1:0.8.2+20140711-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:0.8.2+20140711-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1:0.8.2+20140711-8+deb9u1
01:43<quadrat>#932144
01:43<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/932144 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: ipsec-tools -- ROM; dead upstream, alternatives available»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-07-15; last modified: 2019-08-25.
01:43<whatsthetime>strongswan does have an appropriate name... because the time investment required to implement is quite strong. racoon was far more simple
01:45<bigassking>ok guys its almost 3 am
01:45<bigassking>thanks for your help! im off to sleep
01:45<bigassking>especially square root
01:45<bigassking>bye
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03:46<coc0nut>I did a failed attempt to set up pihole due to a firewall box i have with dns unbound set up... but now I see I have 2 ips for the ethernet interface.. so i think it has set up some static ip aswell as recieving dhcp. didnt find it in /etc/network/interfaces
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03:48<coc0nut>to make it a question; how can I find the source that tells my ethernet device to only recieve dhcp from my firewall?
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03:49<ratrace>coc0nut: only if you look into specific programs that can do that. interfaces(5), systemd-networkd, NetworkManager, or some other network management tool installed?
03:50<ratrace>and don't forget /etc/network/interfaces.d/
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03:53<coc0nut>interfaces.d is empty
03:53<coc0nut>diabled network-manager.service aswell
03:54<coc0nut>and its a headless, commandline only
03:54<ratrace>systemd-networkd?
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03:56<coc0nut> /etc/systemd/networkd.conf ?
03:56<ratrace>no. /etc/systemd/network/*.network
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03:57<coc0nut> /etc/systemd/network/ contains nothing
03:57<ratrace>is this actually debian? or some derivative?
03:57<coc0nut>debian headless stable
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03:58<ratrace>in debian there is no automagic here. the default is interfaces(5). anything else must be set up explicitly by teh user.
03:58<coc0nut>i installed pihole to test it out, forcing me to do a static ip i think. i removed it. did it install unbound maybe?
03:58<ratrace>did you manually use `ip` and `dhclient` ?
03:59<ratrace>did you write a service? did you install some third party tool? wicd? systemctl list-units | grep -i network <- any clues here?
03:59<ratrace>is pihole managing your network then?
03:59<coc0nut>no, i removed it. so i think it some settings remaining after removal
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04:01<coc0nut>list-units didnt give any clues tbh..
04:01<coc0nut>networking.service timesyncd network-online.target network.target
04:02<coc0nut> networking.service says loaded active exited tho
04:02<coc0nut>exited might be a case?
04:03<ratrace>that's teh interfaces(5) service, aka ifupdown, the default.
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04:03<ratrace>active (exited) is the normal state of it. it's a Type=oneshot instrumentation for ifupdown
04:03<coc0nut>oki
04:04<coc0nut>but, doing ss -tulpn shows me dhcpd on port 68?
04:04<coc0nut>and also 546
04:04<ratrace>so something started it
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04:05<ratrace>coc0nut: are you sure there actually is a problem here? did you try to reboot after removing pihole?
04:06<coc0nut>the only problem is that the ethernet device has a static set ip aswell as the dhcp leased from the server...
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04:06<ratrace>btw, the default in debian is dhclient. any other dhcp program means it was deliberately set up
04:06<ratrace>coc0nut: yeah but that was not my question. my question is, does this happen after reboot?
04:07<coc0nut>might be the reason it has a secondary ip then ? when it has a dhcpd running?
04:07<coc0nut>i did reboot after disabling network-manager
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04:07<ratrace>so after reboot, something still sets up dhcp on your machine? AND a static IP?
04:08<coc0nut>scope global secondary noprefixroute enp0s3
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04:09<coc0nut>its a headless vm.
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04:09<coc0nut>doing another reboot
04:10<ratrace>coc0nut: ahhh... is there a cloud-init setup thing that somehow does something ......
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04:10<ratrace>I've also seen incredibly insane things like using avahi to set up networking.... *glares at Digital Ocean*
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04:11<coc0nut>hehe this is another machine. in my homelab.
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04:11<coc0nut>after reboot the dhcp lease (intended ip address) is now set to secondary and the static one is primary
04:12<ratrace>sounds like you have some custom service doing custom network setup on boot
04:13<coc0nut>yep, im pretty sure thats the pihole setup that did that
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04:14<coc0nut>the vm is a clone. so i can just delete it. but it probably would good to solve it
04:14<ratrace>pihole is not packaged on debian so one has to wonder how did you install it and more importantly, how did you remove it. since apt probably wasn't used, could be it didn't remove anything or completely at all
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04:15<coc0nut>Our intelligent, automated installer asks you a few questions and then sets everything up for you. Once complete, move onto step 3.
04:15<coc0nut>INSTALL PI-HOLE
04:15<coc0nut>guess the answer lies in their script
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04:17<coc0nut>i dont even remember how i uninstalled it... sry its a few weeks back but i see the double ip now. so tried to solve that
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04:18<ratrace>the only possibility is a .service or a /etc/init.d/ script but that would be wrapped into a generated .service by systemd. inspect those, look at systemd critical chain and things, to find out which one might've done it
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04:23<ratrace>coc0nut: says here it's basically using DHCPCD for networking. I think that one can set up static IP as well: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pi-hole/pi-hole/master/automated%20install/basic-install.sh
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04:24<ratrace>so if you stop, disable or remove the dhcpcd.service, see if you get any network setup on reboot. assuming this is not a remote machine so you don't lock yourself out.
04:25<aboreor>hello??
04:25<ratrace>'sup
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04:29<coc0nut>trying that ratrace
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04:30<coc0nut>that sovled it
04:30<coc0nut>solved*
04:30<aboreor>How many are in college?
04:31<ratrace>!chat
04:31<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
04:31<aboreor>ok excuse me
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04:55<r4fkramer>Hi all. Please, I'd like to understand about this output: I just installed suggested packages for 'aptitude': https://paste.debian.net/1202557/
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04:56<ratrace>r4fkramer: why do you have that | (pipe) in there?
04:57<r4fkramer>I considered this message a bit strange about 'apt', for I always use it without any issue related to absence of stability:WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
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04:58<r4fkramer>ratrace, thank you for answering; It was a mistake; I just copied the information existing in aptitude installation output
04:58<ratrace>yeah, never blindly copy paste commands, ESPECIALLY when you're root....
04:59<ratrace>also see: https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste
05:00<r4fkramer>You are right, it was a stupid and inconsequential action
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05:01<r4fkramer>Thank you for this information, ratrace. But, Even with this mistake committed, this message caught my attention, because I never had any instability problem with APT - in fact, always experiencing the opposite of this ....
05:02<r4fkramer>I refer to message above, in the aptitude installation output.
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05:03<ratrace>that's usualy apt complaint when you pipe stdin/stdout with it
05:04<ratrace>so if you want to pipe stuff to or from apt, you actually need to use apt-get
05:04<ratrace>and unless it's not clear, | (pipe) has syntactic function in shells, so it's not "just" a typo, it's a typo wiht functional side-effect
05:05<r4fkramer>Oh, so that's what happened. Consequence of an action not technically analyzed on my part ...
05:07<r4fkramer>Yes, and becomes dangerous in several situations the use indiscriminate or unconscious of pipe. Thank you for this alert :)
05:07<ratrace>thus "never blindly copy&paste commands in cli"
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05:08<r4fkramer>That was the case here. I won't do it anymore. I should already know about this. I rarely let this kind of thing happen.
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05:08<r4fkramer>I read about the link you've passed me here, ratrace
05:09<r4fkramer>even using git clone, copying and pasting from websites to cli shouldn't be done
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05:10<ratrace>r4fkramer: did you actually try to copy that comand and paste it somewhere? in an editor, not in your command line .) try it...
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05:12<r4fkramer>No, ratrace. I think I didn't do it before, not so sure about it; but I think I didn't do it. About your explanation: should be dangerous doing it using vim or emacs ....
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05:13<r4fkramer>in this case, it would generate another kind of output, but still related to any alert, I suppose....
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05:25<r4fkramer>ratrace, thank you very much for information and Great Support !
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06:22<Kolusion_>test
06:22<Kolusion_>Hi
06:22<Kolusion_>Is there a credit system with Debian for those that fix bugs?
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06:25<Tj>Kolusion_: yes, a nice fuzzy feeling inside :)
06:25<Kolusion_>LOL. What a dump project. Laters.
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06:28<spawacz>hmm i've just installed debian testing and i3 windowd manager to try it out but my mouse nor keyboard does not work as soon as i startx
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06:29<spawacz>i've also had to add iommu=soft to boot the system (otherwise kernel said something about USB errors) if that matters
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06:40<user_>Hi all!
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07:10<DellGuy>I have some issues with my boot partition after inserting a USB disk into my Debian system laptop.
07:10<DellGuy>Grub seems to be corrupted or something.
07:11<DellGuy>I have rebooted into rescue mode from a live usb.
07:11<DellGuy>It mounts my encrypted partition and then /dev/sda2 as /target/boot and /dev/sda1 as /target/boot/efi
07:11<DellGuy>However, reinstalling Grub fails every time.
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07:12<DellGuy>I was previously adviced, here, to use dpkg to delete/purge old linux packages from the /boot partition, and I did so.
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07:12<DellGuy>./dev/sda1, mounted as /target/boot/efi is now just 52 % full, but reinstalling grub to it still fails.
07:12<ratrace>DellGuy: fails how. does it (grub-install / update-grub) spit out an error?
07:13<ratrace>and what do you mean reinstalling grub to "it", what's "it"?
07:13<ratrace>ie what's the exact command you're using
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07:14<DellGuy>The graphical/text version menu option of reinstalling grub just says it couldn't reinstall grub, but doing 'update-grub' from the shell gives me:
07:14<DellGuy>grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.​map
07:15<ratrace>DellGuy: yes, you don't install grub to a _partition_ but to device. /dev/sdb I presume in your case
07:16<DellGuy>ratrace: 'df' doesn't show me any /dev/sdb device, though... just /dev/debian-vg-root, mounted on /, and /dev/sda2 mounted on /boot, and /dev/sda1, mounted on /boot/efi
07:16<ratrace>on that device you need to have one partition with bios_grub flag on for legacy boot and/or an ESP but then your grub-install invocation needs to specify the ESP used
07:17<ratrace>DellGuy: because df is the wrong command to list the devices. lsblkd, blkid and any partitioning tool like parted, sgdisk, ... can be used
07:17<DellGuy>ratrace: I suspect that /dev/sdb1 is the live USB
07:17<DellGuy>Okay!
07:17<ratrace>DellGuy: it could be a _partition_ on the live USB, but it's not the device itself. that's /dev/sdb
07:18<ratrace>btw, %s/lsblkd/lsblk/
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07:18<DellGuy>blkid shows that /dev/sdb1 is a TYPE="iso9660" and PTTYPE="dos"
07:18<DellGuy>Not sure what to make of that.
07:19<ratrace>wait... are you trying to install grub onto the live USB?
07:19<DellGuy>ratrace: No! I want to install it on the boot partition
07:20<ratrace>I kinda went along with your error message and I assumed /dev/sdb is the correct disk to install grub on, but seems that's live USB, so then no, you don't install grub to /dev/sdb
07:20<DellGuy>This is a Debian system with no dual-boot or anything.
07:20<DellGuy>Yes, I don't know why update-grub would assume I want to install grub onto /dev/sdb
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07:22<DellGuy>ratrace: What did you mean by %s/lsblkd/lsblk ?
07:22<ratrace>I mean I typo'd the tool name. it's not lsblkd but lsblk
07:23<DellGuy>Oh.
07:23<DellGuy>Ah, lsblk was very useful. Thank you
07:24<DellGuy>So, sda1 has the mountpoint /boot/efi, and sda2 has the mountpoint /boot
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07:24<DellGuy>This implies I should try to reinstall grub to /dev/sda, I assume?
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07:26<NthDegree>DellGuy, what is in /boot/efi?
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07:27<ratrace>DellGuy: well if that's EFI only boot setup, then you actually don't even specify the device but run grub-install --target=x86_64-efi and it'll autodetect the mounted ESP and install there. if you _ALSO_ have legacy boot with a bios_grub partition, then you need to install the stage1 loader onto /dev/sda as well
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07:28<DellGuy>NthDegree: a folder called 'EFI', which has a folder called 'debian' and in that it has BOOTx64.CSV, fbx64.efi, grub.cfg, grubx64.efi, mmx64.efi, smix64.efi
07:28<DellGuy>ratrace: I *think* I might have a legacy boot option activated. Is there any way to find out from shell?
07:28<DellGuy>(I know I should know that...)
07:29<NthDegree>DellGuy, run parted and then press p and hit enter
07:29<NthDegree>if it shows as "partition table: gpt" then you'll be booting using UEFI support in all likelihood
07:30<DellGuy>It does show partition table: gpt
07:30<NthDegree>you'll notice the EFI partition is FAT32 too
07:30<ratrace>that's a bit misleading info, you can have GTP with legacy boot as well.
07:31<DellGuy>1 - size 537 MB, file system fat32, flags boot, esp... 2, size 256 MB, file system ext2, 3, 239 GM, no file system or flags visible
07:31<ratrace>DellGuy: to see if you have legacy boot enabled, run something like `parted /dev/sda print` and see if there's a partition with flags bios_grub
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07:32<DellGuy>'parted /dev/sda print' shows me the same exact thing. Partition table: gpt. There is no partition with bios_grub flags
07:32<pipedream>mount|grep efivars to see if you are booted in EFI mode
07:33<NthDegree>pipedream++ that's a better way of doing it
07:33<ratrace>that's a bit irrelevant to the issue at hand
07:33<ratrace>DellGuy: is currently in live env, fixing the boot partition
07:34<DellGuy>pipedream: mount|grep efivars shows no response
07:34<ratrace>DellGuy: okay, so it seems you have EFI only setup. so basically you don't install grub stage1 loader, just the ESP things. grub-install --target=x86_64-efi should do the trick, but unlike with grub-pc, I'm not sure if you need to be inside chroot for that
07:34<DellGuy>ratrace: Will try that command
07:34<DellGuy>ratrace: And it doesn
07:34<ratrace>"doesn't"?
07:35<DellGuy>ratrace: And it doesn't matter which partition I'm currently in, in the shell, when I run that command, correct?*
07:35<DellGuy>Sorry, accidentally hit enter
07:35<NthDegree>DellGuy, you mean which folder/directory you're in? no it doesn't
07:35<ratrace>DellGuy: that's the part I'm not 100% sure of. I know that grub-pc will definitely fail unless you're running it from inside chroot. Not sure if that's also teh case with grub-efi
07:35<DellGuy>NthDegree: Yes, I meant that. Okay, thanks.
07:36<NthDegree>you do want to be chroot'ed in there with your /boot and /boot/efi mounted in the right places tho
07:36<ratrace>I _think_ it will fail if not run inside chroot (with properly mounted /boot) because it embeds that data into the ESP somewhere
07:37<NthDegree>it will put a grub.cfg in /boot/efi/EFI/Debian at the very least
07:37<ratrace>ah yes, it does. grub.cfg on the ESP. so I suppose you better run that from inside the chroot
07:37<DellGuy>ratrace: I'm unsure of if I actually am chrooted from this shell, started from the rescue mode. I ran 'ischroot' but that got no response
07:37<DellGuy>as in, just a new prompt.
07:37<ratrace>DellGuy: you have to set it up manually
07:38<DellGuy>ratrace: Okay, I will try grub-unstall --target=x86_64-efi now
07:38<DellGuy>grub-install*
07:39<DellGuy>grub-install: warning: EFI variables are not supported on this system. Installation ended. No errors reported.
07:39<DellGuy>Hmm.
07:39<ratrace>that's from inside the chroot?
07:39<DellGuy>ratrace: That's the thing, I can't tell if I a chroot or not in this rescue mode shell.. And I don't know how to tell.
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07:40<NthDegree>DellGuy, at any point did you do chroot /mynewroot ? (whatever you called the root you mounted everything to... like say /target or /mnt)
07:41<DellGuy>NthDegree: I did not
07:41<ratrace>DellGuy: you aren't chrooted automatically, you need to set it up
07:41<ratrace>assuming you've mounted the rootfs to /mnt, boot to /mnt/boot and ESP to /mnt/boot/efi, then run the chroot like something like this: unshare -m ; mount -R /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -R /sys /mnt/sys ; mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc ; chroot /mnt ; source /etc/profile ; grub-install --target=x86_64-efi
07:41<ratrace>then double exit to exit the chroot and the unshare'd namespace
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07:43<DellGuy>The lsblk list of partitions doesn't have /mnt/boot or /mnt/boot/efi but rather just /boot and /boot/efi
07:43<ratrace>because you apparently haven't mouunted the target filesystem yet
07:44<NthDegree>DellGuy, https://wiki.debian.org/RescueLive
07:44<NthDegree>you'll see an example there
07:44<DellGuy>NthDegree: Thanks, checking it out
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07:46<ratrace>I'd suggest you run a mount unshare right before that "for name in proc sys dev" line; or else you'll have problems tearing down the chroot gracefully
07:46<ratrace>`unshare -m` does it. it starts a subshell, so you have to `exit` one more time after you `exit` the `chroot` shell
07:47<NthDegree>that does no harm to use either way, but you can also umount everything manually once exiting the chroot'ed shell
07:47<ratrace>you can't that's the thing
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07:47<ratrace>with systemd in the picture, rbind mounting /dev and /sys you can't umount gracefully
07:48<ratrace>hence the mount namespace. you just exit it and it tears down everything gracefully, no need for individual umounts (that also won't work)
07:48<NthDegree>oh? I guess things have changed a lot since my teenage Gentoo years >_>
07:48<ratrace>yes, systemd happened.
07:48<ratrace>it has some involvement inside /dev and /sys
07:49<DellGuy>I did "unshare -m" at first. I then ran "/sbin/fdisk -l" as in the instructions on the Debian wiki
07:49<NthDegree>fdisk -l just lists partitions
07:49<NthDegree>you can swap that with 'parted /dev/sda print' if you want to view what each partition is
07:50<NthDegree>ratrace, will you roast me if I say umount -l still works? ;-p
07:50<DellGuy>"fdisk" shows me that /dev/sda1 is a EFI system, /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda2 are Linux systems. /dev/sdb is the USB disk.
07:51<DellGuy>So I guess I should do 'mount /dev/sda2 /mnt' as the root, then, and 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi' as the EFI?
07:51<NthDegree>what size is each partition?
07:52<DellGuy>./dev/sda1 is 512MB, EFI system, /dev/sda2 is 244MB, Linux system, and /dev/sda3 is 222GB, Linux system.
07:52<NthDegree>OK, so I'ma take a big brain guess
07:53<ratrace>NthDegree: I won't. because it doens't. it just pretends it does, and doesn't error out. but later if you try to close the underlying luks containers, lvs and other things, then the errors will rear their ugly heads like starved threshers at the bottom of the Whispering Riverbed
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07:53<DellGuy>There is also /dev/sdb, the USB drive. And /dev/mapper/sda_3_crypt, 222GB, and /dev/mapper/debian--vg-root, 215GB, and /dev/mapper/debian--vg-swap_1, 7,9 GB
07:53<ratrace>I mean it "probably" won't hurt the filesystems if you try to forcefully shove the system into reboot with double -f -f to /sbin/reboot. But eh.... why tho. just unshare :)
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07:54<NthDegree>DellGuy, that looks fun, did you encrypt your disk when you installed?
07:55<ratrace>ohboy so there IS luks in the picture.... this is gonna be fun hand-hold-fixing now.
07:55<NthDegree>that looks like LVM and LUKS
07:55<DellGuy>NthDegree: Yes. I'm pretty sure I have full-disk encryption; I have to unlock it every time at reboot, and had to do so when booting into the rescue mode, too. Sorry, I should have said earlier!!
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07:55<DellGuy>Hahah, I'm so sorry for being bad at this. My Debian knowledgeable friend helped me set up the system and now I (and mostly you) pay for it...
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07:56<ratrace>DellGuy: so now you have to: 1) unlock the LUKS containers, 2) activate the VG, 3) mount the rootfs to (for example!) /mnt, then /boot and efi inside /mnt/boot and /mnt/boot/efi respectively, then the unshare + rbind dance for dev,sys,proc, then chroot, then grub-install
07:56<NthDegree>DellGuy, if you had to pop in the password on booting the rescue shell, you might have some of the work done for you
07:57<DellGuy>Does that mean that I am already chroot...?=
07:57<NthDegree>no, but it might have those partitions already unlocked
07:57<DellGuy>NthDegree: I did, yes, it recognised my luks drive and had me unlock it
07:57<ratrace>"then /boot and efi inside..." refers to LVs or partitions, on that disk, where "/boot" partition and ESP are. those are probably outside the crypto and lvm entirely?
07:57<DellGuy>ratrace: Yes, I interpret them as LV:s on that disk
07:57<ratrace>"maybe start with a pastebin of your lsblk" :)
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07:58<DellGuy>ratrace: Yes, probably a good idea. Do you have a handy command for a curl paste thing?
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07:59<DellGuy>I could find one, too...
07:59<NthDegree>DellGuy, pastebinit is one in the repos
07:59<ratrace>lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
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08:00<ratrace>or.... sudo lsblk so you don't run that nc as root, but eh.... you're in live env, so maybe it doesn't matter
08:00<NthDegree>that works
08:00<grawity>lsblk uses the udev database (at /run/udev) and sysfs, so it should not need root privileges in the first place
08:00<ratrace>and then you post here the URL you got from that
08:01<DellGuy>I really appreaciate all of the help, I can imagine it gets frustrating handholding various clueless people who come here. Rebooting now to get a working internet connection via cable...
08:01<ratrace>grawity: possible, I've lost track of whta does and what doesn't need root when dealing with the block layer(s)
08:02<DellGuy>(I didn't add those proprietary wifi uname things to the USB to get wifi working)
08:02<ratrace>esp. since stuff is even more confuzing with some|many /usr/sbin/ tools not needing root either
08:03<ratrace>so the Yak Shaving begins...... :)
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08:04<DellGuy>lsblk: https://termbin.com/4vfs
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08:05<ratrace>welp. yeah. you'll have to unlock the LUKS container before you can activate that VG and mount everything required for teh chroot
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08:06<DellGuy>ratrace: Okay. Following these steps, then: 1) unlock the LUKS containers, 2) activate the VG, 3) mount the rootfs to (for example!) /mnt, then /boot and efi inside /mnt/boot and /mnt/boot/efi respectively, then the unshare + rbind dance for dev,sys,proc, then chroot, then grub-install
08:06<ratrace>also.... sda2 seems a bit too small for /boot. I wouldn't go below 512MB for it.
08:06<NthDegree>ratrace, except it's all mounted in place, so do we need a chroot?
08:06<NthDegree>unless I'm misreading that output, he's in the real system already? :S
08:06<ratrace>indeed... I wasn't paying attention. so everything is already unlocked and moutned then?
08:07<NthDegree>yeah, by looks of that
08:07<DellGuy>ratrace: I think it is, probably just not mounted..?
08:07<ratrace>and yeah, lol, looks like it's booted into that rootfs off of debian--vg-root
08:07<NthDegree>DellGuy, you've used 'grub-install --target=x86_64-efi' right?
08:08<NthDegree>try giving it a reboot and see if you can get into it now
08:08<NthDegree>if not, take note of the error and we can see what the next steps will be
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08:09<DellGuy>NthDegree: Yes. I could tyr it again and send it to termbin if you like.
08:09<DellGuy>try*
08:10<ratrace>DellGuy: hold on.
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08:10<UnoMas51>Hello everyone. I am trying to configure freedombox on my laptop to learn how it works. I have created a dynamic dns and reconfigured the router to forward ports 80 and 443 to the local static ip of my laptop. But when I enter my url (polar.freedombox.rocks) I get the router page and I can't access my pc. Could someone help me?
08:10<DellGuy>ratrace: Sure.
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08:11<ratrace>DellGuy: where was that last thing pasted _from_ ?
08:11<NthDegree>UnoMas51, have you tried it from say, your mobile phone?
08:11<NthDegree>UnoMas51, as in using mobile broadband without wifi? :)
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08:11<ratrace>DellGuy: I mean, is it from a chroot? live env? did you accidentally boot into the actual production system off of /dev/sda ?
08:12<ratrace>or are you in your production system's rescue mode, so it IS booted off of /dev/sda?
08:12<UnoMas51>Yes, and the same thing happens. You can try to log in yourself and you will see.
08:12<DellGuy>ratrace: More precisely, "Start a shell on /dev/debian-vg/root"
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08:12<NthDegree>ratrace, I discovered the answer
08:12<ratrace> DellGuy: okay I see. right, try now to reboot into /dev/sda
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08:13<NthDegree>(ah you got one in the time it took me to scroll up)
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08:13*NthDegree was gonna say rescue shell because: "It mounts my encrypted partition and then /dev/sda2 as /target/boot and /dev/sda1 as /target/boot/efi"
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08:13<ratrace>yeah that /target was a clue I missed
08:13<DellGuy>ratrace: Stupid question, but how do I do that? Just a reboot with the live USB unplugged?
08:13<ratrace>DellGuy: yes
08:14<NthDegree>DellGuy, yes, try to boot as norma
08:14<NthDegree>normal*
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08:14<DellGuy>ratrace: You got it.
08:15<ratrace>DellGuy: ? boots fine now?
08:15<DellGuy>ratrace: No, sorry, am booting right now
08:15<DellGuy>Intel(R) Boot Agent VL v0.1.06, Copyright..., it is now reading the DHCP MAC address
08:15<DellGuy>(Since I plugged in the LAN cable, I assume(
08:15<DellGuy>)*
08:16<NthDegree>this sounds a lot like you're missing an EFI boot entry
08:16<DellGuy>PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel Boot AGent. No Boot Device Found. Press any key to reboot the machine
08:16<NthDegree>DellGuy, if you press the key to pick a boot device, what options do you see?
08:16<ratrace>but wait. did you ever run that grub-install --target=x86_64-efi while on that rescue shell?
08:17<DellGuy>NthDegree: Could be... Should I perhaps try to enter the BIOS settings
08:17<UnoMas51>Thank you so much NthDegree, I have been looking for a solution for hours and it was driving me crazy. I thought my router redirection was not working. Yes it does work if I connect from outside the wifi. But how do I get the computers on the local network to access it ? I can't use the DDNS URI ?
08:17<NthDegree>ratrace, he did and got a warning about EFI variables not being supported
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08:17<DellGuy>ratrace: I did, and I posted the response above, hold on...
08:17<DellGuy>NthDegree: Yes
08:17<DellGuy>That
08:17<NthDegree>ratrace, which means he might be missing the UEFI boot entry now
08:18<ratrace>I thihk we forgot the update-grub step. just grub-install might not suffice to set up /boot/grub/grub.cfg menu
08:18<DellGuy>ratrace: So I'll try to go back into rescue mode, do grub-install and then update-grub?
08:18<ratrace>corect
08:18<ratrace>before grub-isntall, make sure you run `mount` and verify that /boot is the correct device, and /boot/efi is the ESP, mounted.
08:18<NthDegree>yeah, try that first, if that doesn't work, I have a trick which will get you a bit further
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08:19<DellGuy>Will do!
08:19<DellGuy>One more question, can I pick English as the installation language in the rescue mode, without it then changing the language of my OS? It'll make potential pastes more understandable
08:20<DellGuy>(My OS installation is in Swedish)
08:20<NthDegree>I've never tried it but I suspect the answer is that it's safe to do
08:20<ratrace>export LANG="en_US.UTF-8", in the rescue shell, should suffice to change it, without altering on-disk config. note that that export applies to that shell only then
08:21<UnoMas51>How can I access polar.freedombox.rocks from within the local network avoiding router interception page?
08:21<DellGuy>ratrace: That works. Thanks
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08:22<NthDegree>UnoMas51, add a hosts file value or implement internal DNS. Some routers don't change the LAN-side SNAT rules when forwarding ports, usually cheap netgears and the like fail to do it
08:23<NthDegree>UnoMas51, if it's a Draytek or a proper business-grade router, change the management ports to 8080 and 8443 to free up the ports on the LAN side so forwarding works properly
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08:24<Guest697>Hello
08:24<NthDegree>hi Guest697
08:24<NthDegree>(aka hacker... love it!)
08:24<bremner>UnoMas51: fwiw, that address is reachable from outside (although with a self signed cert that will cause most browsers to freak out)
08:24<Guest697>If the kali linux xfce4 desktop uses the local socks5 as the system's global proxy
08:24<bremner>!kali
08:24<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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08:25<NthDegree>bremner, is there a good up to date howto for making compliant debian packages? I'm someone who's used to Fedora and RPM ways of doing things and need to work out what my mock-equivalent would be and such.
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08:26<ratrace>NthDegree: if you find one, lemme know :)
08:28<DellGuy>I have now done "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi", with the same error: "EFI variables are not supported on this system", and then grub-update, with the same error: "grub-probe: error: "grub-probe no grub device found for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map"
08:29<UnoMas51>NthDegree, It's a lowi-h500sv1 router
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08:30<DellGuy>Should I still try a reboot?
08:30<UnoMas51>bremner, I have no idea how you get around the self-signed certificate warning that will make most browsers freak out. :D
08:30<ratrace>DellGuy: no
08:31<DellGuy>ratrace: I expected no, hehe.
08:31<NthDegree>DellGuy, I have a dirty hack which ratrace is probably going to kill me for, which we can try
08:31<ratrace>DellGuy: try this. mv /boot/grub /boot/grub.old and then re-run grub-install and update-grub
08:31<DellGuy>NthDegree: lol, I'm listening...
08:31<ratrace>NthDegree: lol... what, what is it?
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08:32<DellGuy>ratrace: Will try that before I try NthDegree's dirty hack...
08:32<NthDegree>making a boot folder inside /boot/grub/efi/EFI and putting the fallback files in
08:32<NthDegree>it's something Fedora does by default if there's no dual-boot to cater for non-compliant EFI implementations
08:33<bremner>UnoMas51: most people use letsencrypt these days
08:33<DellGuy>ratrace: moving grub to grub.old worked, but grub-install and update-grub returns the same errors after that
08:33<koollman_>that, or internal certificate authority
08:33<koollman_>letsencrypt has some problems when trying to use it for internal stuff
08:33<ratrace>NthDegree: I don't think the issue here is non-compliant EFI impl, but grub's convinced that it has something to do wiht /dev/sdb1
08:34<NthDegree>ratrace, that EFI variable unsupported warning makes me believe it's not adding boot entries
08:34<ratrace>or that the live env is not in EFI mode
08:34<NthDegree>that too
08:34<ratrace>I don't know if you have to be booted in EFI mode to install EFI thingies
08:34<DellGuy>ratrace: Some casual googling tells me it is quite common for the rescue mode to assume grub should be installed on /dev/sdb1
08:34<NthDegree>normally you do have to be in EFI mode for update-grub to know it's UEFI
08:35<bremner>NthDegree: there is "maint-guide", but the main driver has deprecated it in favour of debmake and the debmake manual.
08:35<bremner>that's just like, his opinion man. But maybe one of those two helps
08:36<ratrace>NthDegree: DellGuy: at this point I'd liek to recommend the nuclear option. umount, mkfs, do the whole grub-install and update dance on fresh new ESP and /boot filesystems
08:36<NthDegree>nope
08:36<NthDegree>try this first lol
08:36<DellGuy>Heheh
08:36<ratrace>nobody loves nuclear options :(
08:36<NthDegree>DellGuy, here's what I would do as a dirty hack: cp -R /boot/grub/efi/EFI/Debian /boot/grub/efi/EFI/boot; cp /boot/grub/efi/EFI/boot/shimx64.efi /boot/grub/efi/EFI/boot/BOOTX64.EFI
08:36<ratrace>!ripley method
08:36<dpkg>"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." -- Ellen Ripley
08:37<NthDegree>DellGuy, if that works, your EFI will automatically get a Debian boot entry added due to fallback behaviour
08:37<NthDegree>your PC might reboot itself on the first boot attempt, that's normal, then it should try and boot as normal
08:37<DellGuy>Good old Ellen Ripley
08:38<NthDegree>just make sure you're doing that from within the chroot within /target
08:38<DellGuy>NthDegree: Do I enter the command as such, on one long line, or do the ; signs denote me hitting enter in between
08:38<NthDegree>DellGuy, you can do it whichever of the two ways you prefer
08:39<DellGuy>NthDegree: Is it normal that "ischroot" returns no response?
08:39<NthDegree>it appears to give an errorlevel, so it's silent on screen
08:39<ratrace>I don't think ischroot is supposed to print anything, but give a return value
08:40<ratrace>so ischroot && echo "It's a chroot!"
08:40<DellGuy>Ok
08:40<NthDegree>try ischroot &
08:40<NthDegree>then hit enter
08:40<DellGuy>Yeah, ratrace's version worked
08:40<NthDegree>and see if it says Exit 1 or Exit 0
08:40<DellGuy>ischroot & = [1] 7678
08:40<NthDegree>then hit enter again
08:41<NthDegree>and it should say Exit with a number
08:41<ratrace>see this is one of those "ratrace's gonna kill me for how hacky this is" moments :)
08:41<DellGuy>Yeah, it did. [1]+ Done ischroot
08:41<ratrace>echo ; echo $? if you must
08:42<ratrace>ooof.... ischroot ; echo $?
08:42<NthDegree>yeah that one works too
08:42<NthDegree>Done would be 0 though with the &
08:42<ratrace>nonzero means it ain't or can't determine
08:42<DellGuy>"ischroot ; echo $?" returns 0
08:42<NthDegree>you're chrooted
08:42<DellGuy>Yay.
08:43<DellGuy>Then I'll try NthDegree's dirty hack now
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08:47<DellGuy>NthDegree: Okay, strange. It says (translated, for some reason the shell is still partially in Swedish): Cannot take status of /boot/grub/efi/EFI/Debian: file or folder does not exist
08:47<NthDegree>hmm
08:47<NthDegree>I think I know why
08:47<NthDegree>you moved /boot/grub at ratrace's request earlier
08:48<DellGuy>indeed, in /boot/grub there is no "efi" folder, just "fonts, grub.cfg, grubenv, locale and x86_64-efi
08:48<DellGuy>Ah, yes
08:49<DellGuy>If I knew what the command was meant to accomplish I could find out which folder it is I need to find, hehe.
08:49<NthDegree>mv /boot/grub.old/* /boot/grub
08:49<ratrace>nonononono
08:49<ratrace>mv /boot/grub.old /boot/grub
08:50<DellGuy>Which one do I enter? Hehe
08:50<ratrace>mv /boot/grub.old /boot/grub
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08:50<ratrace>that's basically a rename
08:50<DellGuy>Okay, yeah
08:50<ratrace>mv /boot/grub.old/* would move all the files inside it, one level up and pollute your /boot with stuff that's supposed to be in grub/
08:51<DellGuy>Right, I did mv /boot/grub.old /boot/grub
08:51<DellGuy>It seems to have worked, or so "ls" tells me, I think.
08:51<NthDegree>DellGuy, ls -la /boot/grub/efi/EFI
08:51<NthDegree>just check that it has Debian in there now
08:51<DellGuy>NthDegree: Still no.
08:51<NthDegree>right
08:52<NthDegree>ls -la /boot/grub for me
08:52<DellGuy>https://termbin.com/6jrn
08:52<DellGuy>ls -la /boot/grub ^
08:52<NthDegree>exactly as I thought :o
08:52<NthDegree>ratrace, now look what ya did
08:52<DellGuy>D:
08:53<ratrace>lolwut
08:53<ratrace>I didn't do that :)
08:53<NthDegree>:p
08:53<NthDegree>ls -la /boot/grub/grub.old for me
08:54<DellGuy>ls -la /boot/grub/grub.old -> https://termbin.com/hn5t
08:54<ratrace>so how did that happen
08:54<NthDegree>ratrace, that would have renamed but it didn't because both folders existed, so mv puts the folder inside the folder instead
08:55<NthDegree>it doesn't rename if both folders exist
08:55<ratrace>why did grub exist if it were renamed to grub.old
08:55<NthDegree>ratrace, because you had him run grub-install and the like
08:55<ratrace>so YOU did that, by recommending that grub.old be renamed back.
08:56<NthDegree>ratrace, I recommended he put /* for a reason
08:56<NthDegree>:P
08:56<DellGuy>There, there. You're both trying to help here.
08:56<ratrace>and you'd do extra confusion by moving all the files from inside /boot/grub/* back to /boot/ :))
08:56<DellGuy>:D
08:56<NthDegree>ratrace, <NthDegree> mv /boot/grub.old/* /boot/grub
08:56<ratrace>still nope. that wouldn't delete extraneous files
08:56<NthDegree>which is fine
08:57<ratrace>it isn't
08:57<DellGuy>Hmm
08:57<NthDegree>it really is in this case
08:57<NthDegree>anyway, we're missing some stuff
08:57<ratrace>I've seen situations many times, where a cp instead of rsync --deelte, resuilted with corrupt dirs that included files that should've been deleted
08:57<UnoMas51>Thanks bremmer, I was trying to understand how Let's Encrypt worked from their website and finally I saw that there is a configuration option in freedombox that does everything automatically. It is wonderful. I don't know if I have to deal with renewing the certificate or it does it automatically. But that's it. One less problem. :D
08:58<NthDegree>DellGuy, try this instead: cp -R /boot/efi/EFI/Debian /boot/efi/EFI/boot; cp /boot/efi/EFI/boot/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/boot/BOOTX64.EFI
08:58<ratrace>anyhoo. it _really_ should make no difference at this point, even if you deleted everything and did the !ripley method ; it's supposed to install the efi stub things and grub.cfg
08:58<ratrace>NthDegree: wait!
08:58<DellGuy>Waiting.
08:58<ratrace>are you 100% DellGuy now restored /boot/grub, after all this subdir shenanigans?
08:59<NthDegree>DellGuy, do that one command for me (and then try a reboot)
09:00<NthDegree>because at the moment you aren't even having your UEFI execute grub judging by what you previously pointed out on your previous boot
09:00<DellGuy>NthDegree: Okay, I'll try it. Unless ratrace really thinks I shouldn't?
09:00<NthDegree>those commands won't do any harm
09:00<DellGuy>Okay!
09:01<ratrace>DellGuy: well go ahead, if you cleaned up that /boot/grub/grub.old mess
09:01<NthDegree>I'll explain why: /EFI/boot/BOOTX64.EFI is the default boot target on each UEFI disk
09:01<DellGuy>I didn't clean up anything, I think.
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09:01<NthDegree>DellGuy, we can clean that up after
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09:02<NthDegree>You should get from PXE boot -> GRUB after doing this which is one step closer to success
09:02<NthDegree>then if GRUB gives you issues, we can address those after
09:02<DellGuy>Debian is in lowercase in /boot/efi/EFI
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09:02<ratrace>I'm not convinced this would solve anything. personally I think this is about misconfigured ESP grub.cfg (not /boot/grub/grub.cfg) pointing at wrong UIDs
09:02<DellGuy>So /boot/efi/EFI/debian
09:02<NthDegree>DellGuy, yeah in that case change Debian to be lowercase
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09:03<DellGuy>I don't know if this matters at this point, but the crash was precipitated bty two things: I ran a bunch of system updates, and then I connected a USB TV dongle lol
09:03<DellGuy>NthDegree: Ok
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09:03<NthDegree>ratrace, earlier he told us he got to a PXE boot with no GRUB errors, indicating his system isn't even trying to boot from GRUB on ESP
09:04<DellGuy>All this just because I wanted to watch Euro 2020 football on my laptop
09:04<ratrace>hmm
09:04<NthDegree>this should force his PC to install a boot option for debian by initiating fallback behaviour
09:04<ratrace>I wonder if the "connected USB TV" somehow changed BIOS/EFI to disable EFI heh
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09:04<DellGuy>It's one of those DVB-T things. Last time I had a crash with a corrupted boot partition it also happened by me connecting some sort of USB thing...
09:05<ratrace>man.... I have an USB LED keyboard here that: a) remembers colors on reboot as long as the amdgpu is in PCI slot 1. b) forgets colors on reboot if I have nvidia in PCI slot 1 so yeah, at this point I'm prepared for anything when it comes to computing. :)
09:05<NthDegree>ratrace, well we'll find out after this if it's done something like that
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09:06<NthDegree>because if it still doesn't come up with even a shim error or a GRUB error then it's not trying UEFI boot
09:06<ratrace>sure, your plan sounds sane, and DellGuy can later clean up the /boot/grub/grub.old mess
09:07<ratrace>(in fact, if this solves it, you can delete the /boot/grub/grub.old entirely
09:07<DellGuy>That command went through, no errors.
09:07<NthDegree>awesome, try a reboot
09:07<DellGuy>USB unplugged, i assume.
09:07<NthDegree>yep
09:08<NthDegree>it might try to reboot on its own when you first reboot the first time, that's the fallback installing a debian boot entry if it does that
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09:08<DellGuy>It's currently back at the Intel Boot Agent screen, trying to find MAC address.
09:08<ratrace>anyone else annoyed by the fact that EFI can and does willy nilly change things on the ESP?
09:09<DellGuy>Which is unnecessary, but I forgot to disconnect the LAN cable.
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09:09<NthDegree>ratrace, I'm more annoyed that Windows and Debian fight over fallback meaning I have to F9 all the time
09:09<DellGuy> "No Boot Device Found. Press any key to reboot the machine"
09:10<ratrace>DellGuy: reboot to bios and check that EFI is enabled
09:10<DellGuy>ratrace: Will do
09:10<NthDegree>DellGuy, check your UEFI/BIOS settings to make sure EFI boot is enabled. If Secure Boot is an option, turn it OFF for now
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09:10<ratrace>and depending which motherboard you ahve, that "Secure Boot" might be very hard to find, so if you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there
09:11<DellGuy>In the BIOS menu now. "Boot List Option" has "Legacy", which is checked, and "UEFI" which isn't.
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09:11<ratrace>that moment when you realize this was the only thing you ahd to do :)
09:11<NthDegree>LOL yeah
09:11<DellGuy>Under "Advanced Boot Options", there's "Enable Legacy Option ROMs", which is checked, and "Enable Attempt Legacy Boot", which isn't.
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09:11<DellGuy>Oh... so I check the UEFI boot then...
09:12<NthDegree>yep, that should make it boot
09:12<DellGuy>Did so, rebooting
09:12<DellGuy>Are you saying that was all there was to it?
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09:12<ratrace>yes :)
09:12<NthDegree>it's very possible yes
09:12<DellGuy>Okay, it rebooted into a blue screen, "Dell boot restore" something, but I didn't have time to check it
09:12<DellGuy>It then rebooted again
09:13<DellGuy>Like NthDegree described
09:13<NthDegree>that's the fallback kicking in to add a debian boot entry
09:13<DellGuy>"Boot Option Restoring" "Press any key to reset"
09:13<DellGuy>Then reboots after 3 seconds
09:13<ratrace>I mean you had a working setup until <something happens> and it stopped booting. you say all you did was plug in an USB thingy. it's apparently likely that BIOS settings will have changed, as it's imho unlikely that plugging in hardware would alter on-disk ESP
09:13<DellGuy>I guess I should press a key to reset, then?
09:13<DellGuy>ratrace: Probably it was a failure with one of the updates, then.
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09:14<ratrace>you need to press the "any" key. some keyboards don't have it, so you shim by pressing any key.
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09:14<DellGuy>ratrace: lmao
09:14<NthDegree>lol
09:14<DellGuy>Pressed a key, now presented with a menu of three options: Reset system, Continue boot or Always continue boot
09:14<DellGuy>I take it i pick "reset system"?
09:15<NthDegree>Continue boot I would assume would do it
09:15<DellGuy>Oh ok
09:15<DellGuy>That did it
09:15<DellGuy>!!!!
09:15<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
09:15<ratrace>hah!
09:15<DellGuy>We're back, people.
09:15<DellGuy>Haha, Pratchett is not wrong
09:15<DellGuy>Hm, do I need to do any mopping up now?
09:16<NthDegree>OK, now I recommend cleaning up /boot
09:16<DellGuy>Yeah
09:16<NthDegree>there's likely a grub.old folder which can go in there
09:16<ratrace>you can safely delete it at this point, as it's no longer used
09:16<NthDegree>and then as root: apt update && apt -f install
09:16<NthDegree>that way if you had any breakage it should fix it
09:17<NthDegree>then try updating as normal
09:17<DellGuy>ls --la on /boot: https://termbin.com/6coq
09:17<DellGuy>I.e. no grub.old folder from what I can tell
09:17<ratrace>is it in /boot/grub/ directory?
09:17<NthDegree>that hack might one day fail on you, so I recommend a clean install when Debian Bullseye comes out
09:17<NthDegree>yeah it's probably in /boot/grub now haha
09:17<DellGuy>Ah, yeah, it is
09:18<DellGuy>I can remove that safely now, then.
09:18<ratrace>yea
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09:19<NthDegree>and ratrace can murder me later :p
09:19<DellGuy>I did so. Now doing apt update
09:19<ratrace>well that trick is nice to know, just in case
09:20<DellGuy>Hm... "Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock, are you root?" despite me using sudo
09:20<NthDegree>ratrace, https://github.com/rhboot/shim/blob/main/README.fallback
09:20<NthDegree>DellGuy, are you logged in to a desktop? It could be packagekit doing a background check
09:20<DellGuy>Permission denied to /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
09:21<DellGuy>NthDegree: Yeah, Gnome... could be
09:21<NthDegree>give it a good 5-10 minutes
09:21<ratrace>oof
09:21<NthDegree>and then try it again, it's probably trying to do stuff on its own
09:21<DellGuy>Yeah
09:21<DellGuy>Thank you so much guys.
09:22<ratrace>!next
09:22<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
09:22<DellGuy>Yeah, Gnome's Software center is nudging for "OS Updates".
09:22<DellGuy>Probably that locked the dpkg
09:23<NthDegree>DellGuy, yeah, you should be good to do it the usual way now
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09:23<DellGuy>Lol
09:23<DellGuy>At least I learn my way around the shell a little bit more every time.
09:23<DellGuy>Hard curve after 20+ years of Windows
09:24<NthDegree>hahaha it's an easier curve once you've got the hang of chrooting and such
09:24<DellGuy>NthDegree: yes, I hope so
09:24<NthDegree>that knowledge lets you play with distros like Gentoo and ArchLinux with ease
09:25<DellGuy>I'll probably return at some point and beg for help on how to properly install that DVB-T USB dongle. I found some instructions on pulling drivers from the Windows package on the ArchLinux wiki
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09:26<NthDegree>that's pretty much my go-to for dealing with weird stuff
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09:27<DellGuy>Thanks again, you saved my day.
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09:36<Otter>dongle.
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10:03<felco>i was able to use an dvb-t card on linux by tuning it with vlc
10:03<felco>and manually setting up the kernel driver
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10:04<amacater>!wwbr
10:04<dpkg>Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is July 31st 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. Stuff may slip but July 31 is hoped for.
10:04<ratrace>amacater: it's the same bot and same database :)
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10:05*amacater didn't know to expect you here - I was just checking. And yes, I know it's the same timetable - I helped suggest the message :)
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10:07<ratrace>amacater: not just timetable, same factoid database, same bot
10:08<sney>!fact sharing
10:08<dpkg>I show the same facts on both <libera> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network.
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10:08*amacater says thanks for the info
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10:29<roti>Hi, is apt the recommended way to install packages? Are aptitude and apt-get still valid choices? If yes what would be the difference?
10:29<sney>dpkg: apt vs apt-get
10:29<dpkg>wish i knew, sney
10:29<sney>sigh
10:30<sney>roti: all 3 tools still exist, apt is the current one recommended for interactive command line use, but sometimes aptitude's extra features are useful. and apt-get is recommended for scripts.
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10:30<sney>dpkg: apt vs. apt-get
10:30<dpkg>apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
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10:30<sney>dpkg: why aptitude
10:30<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
10:30<amacater>apt-get / apt - aptitude has rather fallen out of favour. The main differences are in the complexity of the underlying solver, I think. Both rely on the same database. If you're REALLY hardcore, you also look at dpkg
10:31<amacater>apt-caache search / apt-cache show are among my go-to commands to find what packages are about
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10:34<yareckon>anyone have a good handle on RewriteMap with apache? I am unable to get values out of the map, and always get back an empy string "". Really weird.
10:35<yareckon>OR anyone have a good tutorial for it showing map contents, .htacess contents and vhost contents? I may be doing something else wrong.
10:36<amacater>yareckon: Maybe appropriate somewhere else - see topic here?
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10:38<yareckon>sure, will head over to #httpd, but wanted to check with debian folks first, in case someone had a brillian resource for me :)
10:40<ratrace>it's okay to ask httpd questions here. it's just that you might get better help in #httpd
10:40<ratrace>(assuming, of course, you run that httpd on debian :) )
10:41<roti>sney, dpkg: thanks.
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10:50<sychill>i just screwed up Bullseye pretty well by running this command: $ rsync -vahHAXSi "$stretch_disk"/var/lib/*** "$bullseye_disk"/var/lib/***
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10:51<sychill>that corrupted /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt
10:52<sychill>what's my best move now? reformat and install from scratch? Or would running "debootstrap" fix this?
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10:52<amacater>If it's a virtual machine / can be scrapped - reinstall from scratch.
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10:54<amacater>If you've still got your stretch machine, use dpkg --get-selections >> packagelist to find out what you had installed.
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10:55<amacater>Going from stetch to Bullseye not a good move directly - go via buster and be careful updating
10:56<sychill>I used debootstrap to install a new Bullseye, not dist-upgrade
10:57<sychill>the bullseye system has much fewer pkgs than the stretch one because i've only installed a couple things so far
10:58<sychill>so dpkg "thinks" more packages are installed than there really are
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10:58<sychill>(and probably all the wrong versions)
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11:03<roti>I have a hardware error at startup:
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11:04<sussudio>don't paste it if it's multiple lines.
11:04<roti>mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 0: Machine Check: 0 Bank 4: a600000000020408 mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 ADDR fef13b80 mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 0:506c9 TIME 1624802551 SOCKET 0 APIC 0 microcode 1e
11:04<roti>sorry, I don't know how to paste multilines here
11:04<roti>any ideas how to track this further?
11:05<sussudio>it says "bank"... is it a memory error?
11:06<roti>I don't know
11:07<sussudio>does the computer halt at this event, of continue
11:07<roti>the system seems to be working fine, but I thought maybe it's worth looking into it
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11:07<sussudio>do you have mcelog installed
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11:10<roti>if you mean "collectd-core", then no. it's not installed. It's a fresh server system, no desktop.
11:10<sussudio>no, the mcelog package.
11:11<roti>hmm, my system does not see this package
11:12<amacater>Use paste.debian.net for multiple lines
11:12<amacater>[use /msg dpkg paste for more details]
11:12<sney>,v mcelog
11:12<judd>Package: mcelog on amd64 -- jessie: 104-1; stretch: 147+dfsg-1
11:20<roti>buster doesn't have mcelog
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11:24<sussudio>roti: i sometimes get a machine check on an old pentium 4 pc, probably because of the aging powersupply when i do a cold start.
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11:29*sychill trashes all and starts over
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11:38<roti>apparently mcelog has been replaced with rasdaemon
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11:56<roti>well, rasdaemon does not record anything, maybe because the error occurs before the daemon is started :(
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12:03<sussudio>roti: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=146870 < a powersupply problem is suggested as one cause here too.
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13:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:35<UnoMas51>I've been trying all afternoon to send an email with Roundcube (ERROR: SMTP server does not support authentication ()). And in the end it only serves to access emails via web, but I could already do that with yahoo. What is the advantage of using Roundcube?
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13:36<sney>roundcube is normally paired with a mailserver that you run yourself, e.g. postfix and dovecot on a vps somewhere
13:37<UnoMas51>Thank you.
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13:37<sney>there isn't an advantage to using roundcube with someone else's mail infrastructure. and running your own mailserver is too much hassle unless you're hosting >20 mailboxes or so
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13:47<inkbottle[m]>What is the Bookworm cycle thing?
13:48<sney>bookworm will be the next debian testing after bullseye releases. the debian testing cycle is the development process to build a new stable release, and normally takes about 2 years.
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13:52<inkbottle[m]>Right, right, sure.
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14:22<velix_>Why is `screen-cleanup.conf` in `/etc/tmpfiles.d/` ? Doesn't it belong into `/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/`?
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14:29<jim>hi, just getting started with borgmatic... the docs say borgmatic will respond to --version, but it does not... is this a problem?
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14:30<jim>(but dpkg -s borgmatic |grep Version says 1.2.11-1)
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14:33<jim>so now, trying to figure how to configure it, I'm looking at its listed website, https://torsion.org/borgmatic
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14:36<bremner>jim: are you looking at the docs that came with it, or on the website? the website probably documents a newer version
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14:37<jim>bremner, where would I find the docs that came with it? (or what's the package name to install them)
14:38<bremner>check /usr/share/doc/borgmatic
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14:38<jim>which only has a change log and copyright file
14:39<jim>I was already in that dir :)
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14:40<jim>the change log has two entries, initial release, and a fix for the copyright file
14:41<bremner>I don't know; there doesn't seem to be any extra documentation included with the package
14:41<bremner>s/extra//
14:43<blast007>jim: https://projects.torsion.org/witten/borgmatic/src/tag/1.2.11/README.md
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14:48<jim>blast007, thanks, looking now...
14:48<jim>and thanks bremner
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14:54<blast007>otherwise their documentation on their site might still be useful. just might have some differences like the lack of --version.
14:55<bremner>There should be a man page, by debian policy
14:55<bremner>it's a severity normal bug if "man borgmatic" does do anything. Of course there can be _bad_ manpage, and that's still a bug, possibly less severe
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15:09<jhutchins>Sometimes the docs are in a separate package.
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15:12<jhutchins>jim: You can also try -v and -V
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15:29<velix>OFTC claims to be the "official" debian support channel... 1000 people in here... but nobody can answer my question.
15:29<velix>Sad... so sad.
15:29<petn-randall>velix: Your question was very vaguely phrased, and as such probably ignored by most people.
15:30<velix>petn-randall: ??? what was "vaguely"??
15:30<velix>It has all the facts.
15:30<petn-randall>velix: Why would you think it should belong there instead of here?
15:30<velix>petn-randall: Because all other packages I've checked install their configs into the other directory.
15:31<petn-randall>velix: packages in general?
15:31<velix>It's so hard to maintain a distribution, which has hundrets of possible places, were a config file might appear.
15:32<petn-randall>velix: If it's user configurable it goes into /etc/.
15:32<velix>petn-randall: sudo does, dbus does, x11 does, systemd itself does. all do /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/
15:32<velix>okay, then /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/ is wrong
15:32<velix>thanks, I'll report it
15:33<petn-randall>velix: Make sure to point out which part of the debian policy you think it violates when filing it.
15:33<velix>petn-randall: I'll argument with vulcan logic
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15:34<velix>Since all configs are configurable, it goes into /etc
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15:35<petn-randall>velix: Have you checked the changelog of screen why the config was placed there? There are usually hints for such things.
15:35<velix>petn-randall: I really don't see a reason for this location, since the file doesn't differ from other configs for this usecase.
15:35<velix>But let me look it up.
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15:37<velix>Interesting, in 4.5.1-3 it was /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/screen-cleanup.conf
15:37<velix>But there's no reason recorded, why it got moved.
15:38<petn-randall>velix: That's not all; check 4.7.0-1.
15:39<velix>petn-randall: I've read that, but I don't see a explaination in there.
15:40<velix>Maybe there's a rule that "generated by maintainer scripts" have to be placed in /etc/ ?
15:40<petn-randall>velix: There are bugs linked that might provide more info.
15:41<velix>petn-randall: you mean https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890823 ?
15:41<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/890823 in screen (closed, confirmed): «Modification to /etc/tmpfiles.d/screen-cleanup.conf not preserved on upgrade»; severity: important; opened: 2018-02-19; last modified: 2019-11-06.
15:41<petn-randall>yes
15:41<velix>yeah, but there it was moved already.
15:42<velix>Seems like it happened in 4.6.2-3
15:42<velix>I bet it was done upstream and nobody cared.
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15:45<petn-randall>velix: It exists in *both* paceslaces; the bug explains why it's in /etc/, too.
15:46<petn-randall>* places
15:46<velix>petn-randall: let me re-read it. I didn't see the actual bug
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15:57<zeev>Hi, I'm trying to add a new translation of a Gnome application (a new .po file). I recompiled the app and not try to run it with the new translation like this: export LANGUAGE=de_DE myApp . However I don't see changes in the GUI's language... Is there a way to tell OS to search for my new .po file in a custom directory (my build directory)? By default it probably searches somewhere in /usr/...
15:58<petn-randall>zeev: Is this a program you wrote or one that already exists?
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15:58<zeev>petn-randall: it is a program I cloned from github
15:59<zeev>(and try to contribute a new translation there)
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15:59<zeev>it is also prepacked in debian
15:59<zeev>prepackaged
15:59<petn-randall>zeev: You might want to ask their support how to do that, I'm not sure if there's a general framework for that.
16:00<zeev>I'm pretty sure that there is... it is based on gettext... where Debian looks for all translations?
16:00<grawity>$LOCPATH
16:01<blast007>zeev: which program is this?
16:01<zeev>gImageReader
16:01<zeev>(gtk interface)
16:02<zeev>grawity: this var is empty on my box...
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16:04<zeev>I see /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/gimagereader.mo
16:05<zeev>I'm not sure any .mo files are generated during the build process...
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16:06<zeev>I see .po and .gmo
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16:21<velix>petn-randall: Sorry, I really don't understand the bug :(
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16:25<jim>jhutchins, yeah, borgmatic -v {0,1,2} sets verbosity level, and -V doesn't exist
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16:26<jim>does anyone know if debian made a github (or elsewhere) repo for borgmatic?
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16:28<amacater>v.borgmatic
16:29<amacater>Well, it exists as a Debian pacakge so someone packaged it :)
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16:30<Silenius>can someone tell me some packages for running games smoothly
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16:30<Silenius>like windows... i dont know open GL or something that games be more smooth?
16:31<Silenius>i run very low require needed game and still have some lagg and mouse delay
16:31<raven523>the main thing you would need would be graphics drivers and a libGL implementation
16:32<Silenius>i installed graphic drivers with MX Tools it installed perfect and create a config file i think
16:32<Silenius>what LibGL i must install??
16:32<Silenius>is thre anything else like sdl2?
16:32<Silenius>c++ development tools
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16:33<raven523>if a game requires sdl2, it will just completely fail to run if sdl2 isn't installed
16:33<raven523>same with libgl
16:33<Silenius>so they dont help to game work properly?
16:33<raven523>which GPU do you have?
16:33<raven523>they do help in that the game requires them to run at all
16:34<Silenius>its old i think but not that much
16:34<Silenius>NVIDIA 9400 GTX
16:34<raven523>some games don't use sdl2 or opengl at all
16:34<Silenius>i wanna play Teeworlds
16:34<Silenius>its retro game and i think it's playable by a lot of comuters
16:34<Silenius>computers*
16:35<raven523>that's probably old enough that the current nvidia prioprietary drivers don't support it
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16:36<Silenius>libglx-nvidia0/stable 418.197.02-1 amd64
16:36<Silenius> NVIDIA binary GLX library
16:36<Silenius>do you think its good?
16:36<raven523>it's not listed in the supported products for that version of the drivers https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/145182/en-us
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16:37<raven523>you will likely need to use mesa with nouveau
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16:37<Silenius>Geforce 9400 GT
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16:38<Silenius>its GT and not GTX
16:38<Silenius>i try them both
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16:49<jhutchins>This depends entirely on what game it is, and whether the developers adhered to standard practices in coding it - which many don't. If it was written specifically for Windows, it may take advantages of bugs and shortcuts in Windows that Linux doesn't have.
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16:52<jhutchins>Hm, I see this game is actually linux only.
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16:54<jhutchins>Actually, the site just defaulted to Linux - probably detected it.
16:54<jhutchins>Last updated in 2019.
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18:03<juju>hi newbie here
18:04<dvs>get em!
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18:07<jhutchins>juju: We all start somewhere. How can we help?
18:07<juju>anyone who can please help , took a few days to get my debian install via usb through on a dell 5420 latitude , finally got it to boot, but it only shows a flickering underscore and blank screen, i dont know where to start. i can login to root and browse around etc, but not sure how to start my windows, any pointers or places to go check pls
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18:08<juju>thanks jhutchins
18:08<jhutchins>This is usually a result of a graphics card that doesn't support linux. Most can be made to work, but they take a few extra steps.
18:08<dvs>juju: you might have to install a desktop environment. any idea which one you want?
18:09<jhutchins>juju: try running "lspci -nn" and see what it reports for vga.
18:09<juju>i selected lightdm if thats what you mean ?
18:10<juju>ok will do run lspci and get back. tx a mill
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18:10<jhutchins>juju: lightdm is the splice between the OS and the GUI, it serves to get your login and launch the graphics,
18:10<jhutchins>juju: Your graphics aren't working yet.
18:11<jhutchins>juju: The default DE is gnome.
18:11*dvs runs for the hills
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18:15<juju>@jhutchins: lspci says : VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel corporation device [8086:9A49] (rev 01)
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18:18<juju>jhutchins: if it makes a diff I can only logon in rescue mode, normal mode gives me that flickering undersccore with a blank screen
18:19<jmcnaught>juju: what CPU do you have? Are you installing Debian 10/buster?
18:19<juju>yes its debian 10 stable
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18:22<jmcnaught>juju: when you do a regular boot and get the blank screen, can you switch to another tty with ctrl+alt+f2 for example?
18:23<jmcnaught>juju: if the CPU is newer than Debian 10's 4.19 kernel then you might need to use a newer kernel from buster-backports to get the iGPU working, and probably also the firmware-misc-nonfree package from non-free
18:23<jhutchins>juju: Sorry, distracted.
18:24<jhutchins>,pciid 8086:9A49
18:24<judd>[8086:9a49] is 'TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:9a49
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18:25<jhutchins>Hm. That should work, we have a pretty good driver for Intel.
18:25<jmcnaught>Tiger Lake launched in 2020, buster was released in 2019…
18:26<jhutchins>jmcnaught: yes, but it has been updated.
18:26<juju>its a dell 5420 lattitude 10th gen intel core i5 according to their docs
18:26<jhutchins>try this: dmesg | grep firmware
18:27<jhutchins>(The factoid should mention firmware if it's required.)
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18:28<jhutchins>juju: I'm running an e6540 myself, it's at least my third Dell laptop on linux.
18:29<juju>ok what am I looking for in the dmesg output? I see a few msgs wrt : dell_wmi ; bluetooth & firmware class
18:30<amacater>dmesg | grep VGA
18:30<juju>ye jhutchins, I have always been using vbox from mac or windows, but this time I am trying to use the enire laptop on linux and wanted to try debian.
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18:34<juju>amacater : dmesg there showing : pci 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: setting as boot vga device... vga device added decodes = io+mem owns=io+mem locks=none .... fb0: efi vga frmebuffer device
18:35<Sqrt{not}>juju, in the output from `dmesg | grep firmware` you should look for things like failed to load firmware, or file not found
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18:39<juju>!sqrt :-) I am seeing a few, firmware scancode maps to unrecognized keycode(x2 of these) + bluetooth: hci0 - failed to load intel firmware file (-2) . ....
18:41<juju>aplogies guys, my netork is going down soon :-( 1am here in south africa...let me park this and try again tommorrow
18:41<jhutchins>juju: Have a good night, we'll try again.
18:42<jhutchins>juju: There will be different people on, a lot of folks are on from work in either Europe or the Americas.
18:42<dvs>juju: that intel firmware file might be the key. Try and find it in the meantime
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18:43<juju>tx guys i will try look for something, i did select the one that said only free :-)
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18:44<juju>ps jmcnaught, i could not switch to another tty with cntl alt f2 in normal mode
18:45<juju>tx again guys, will search for that intel firmware file in the meatime and see,
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18:51<Sqrt{not}>juju, also try switching to ctrl-alt-F3, if you have a gnome type desktop, it will already be on F2
18:53<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: He doesn't have a desktop, he hasn't gotten that far.
18:53<jhutchins>sq
18:54<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: I would expect there to be an error in dmesg if that was the problem.
18:54<juju>ja tried f3 didnt work,
18:55<Sqrt{not}>well, just sayin, switching to C-A-F2 does not work if gdm3 is running for any reason
18:55<jhutchins>There are three possible sources of failure: The kernel module (framebuffer), the xorg driver, and the firmware.
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18:56<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: He has lightdm, and has been a ble to run console commands.
18:56<Sqrt{not}>he is running in rescue mode
18:56<jhutchins>We haven't gotten as far as checking the xorg logs.
18:57<Sqrt{not}><juju> jhutchins: if it makes a diff I can only logon in rescue mode, normal mode gives me that flickering undersccore with a blank screen
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18:59<juju>jhutchins if you say firmware can it be this : failed to load intel firmware file (-2) intel/ibt-19-0-4.sfi failed error -2
19:00<jhutchins>That's it.
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19:00<juju>ok, great stuff
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19:00<jhutchins>Sqrt{not}: Can you help him install that? I'm trying to do dinner here.
19:00<juju>I will have to google this, I ma really not that clued up with this sort of things.
19:01<juju>let me know where i can read howto do this pls, thats the only way we learn :-)
19:01<juju>sorry jhutch, no rush man , lol, dont burn the pots hehehe
19:02<Sqrt{not}>that is firmware for wifi, and is not available in buster, but is there in bullseye.
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19:04<Sqrt{not}>juju, you can get that firmware from buster backports.
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19:05<dvs>package?
19:06<juju>thanks sqrt, should i perhpas retry and not install buster ?
19:06<dvs>But ibt-19-0-4.sfi is for bluetooth. How is that going to help graphics?
19:07<Sqrt{not}>firmware-iwlwifi from buster backports
19:07<juju>i saw it was bluetooth and the only thing installer was complaining about was no ethernet card found
19:07<Sqrt{not}>dvs, I'm thinking if he needs backport FW for wifi, it might help the graphics also
19:08<Sqrt{not}>it is in non-free
19:08<Sqrt{not}>juju, you will need to add a line to your file /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:08<juju>so you think there will still be a prob after that iwlwifi
19:08<dvs>not for graphics.
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19:08<dvs>iwlwifi is for WiFi connection.
19:09<juju>oh cool and then use apt ? but no network for apt to work, i think the wifi package may help
19:09<juju>yes dvs i see what you mean
19:10<Sqrt{not}>juju, was that the only line that said failed to load, in dmesg?
19:10<Sqrt{not}>dvs, yeah, good point
19:11<Sqrt{not}>does the machine have an ethernet card at all?
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19:13<juju>sqrt it sthe only msg i saw that said failed, is there perhaps a scpecific log file i can browse in resue mode ?
19:13<juju>*rescue
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19:13<juju>pardon spelling guys i'm half asleep :-)
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19:14<Sqrt{not}>the command "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
19:14<jhutchins>juju: There is a way to get a scrollable out put from dmesg. Using -T is one way, but I don't know if it's searchable.
19:15<jhutchins>juhop: I am more familiar with the older versions where you have to do dmesg | less and then search (/) for "failure".
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19:17<juju>the grep -i show only the blutooth msgs(x4) and x2 about dell_wmi firware scancode maps to unrecognised keycode
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20:12<ratrace>that!
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21:56<hectocotylus>IDENTIFY
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23:28<Sqrt{not}>hi julian
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23:29<julian>Sqrt{not}: how are u
23:30<Sqrt{not}>I am well, thanks. This is a help channel for debian though, not really a social channel.
23:30<julian>ok im new
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23:47<r4fkramer>Hello please. I'm going to start an online course on Python, and this course requires version 3.9.
23:48<r4fkramer>However, the stable version already installed on Debian is 3.7.3.
23:48<r4fkramer>To install Python 3.9, I need the above components...
23:48<sney>then use bullseye, which has 3.9.2
23:49<sney>and I will also tell you to use it in a vm if you're afraid of upgrading early, even though I know you already know that
23:51<r4fkramer>I haven't finished my explanation, but, please sney, I don't have debian in vm - I need to install it in debian running in real hardware. In this case, I should include sid repository in debian buster stable.
23:52<sney>wrong
23:53<sney>don't mix sid with stable, especially for python, you will break things.
23:54<sney>if you *must* use buster, and it *must* be baremetal, then you can try to use pyvenv: https://realpython.com/intro-to-pyenv/
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23:58<Sqrt{not}>r4fkramer, notice that bullseye is not the same as sid, bullseye is currently testing, and will be stable pretty soon
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