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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-06-28

---Logopened Mon Jun 28 00:00:47 2021
00:01<r4fkramer>sorry sney, I had some troubles here. Coming back: yes, that is it: I would create a frank debian, and I don't have this intention, mixing stable to unstable repository
00:01<Sqrt{not}>r4fkramer, again, bullseye is NOT unstable
00:02<craigevil>just install bullseye
00:02<craigevil>don't mix repos
00:03<r4fkramer>Hi Sqrt{not}, I just have buster 10.10 here - without resource to install bullseye.
00:03<r4fkramer>No craigevil, I know we mustn't mix repos
00:04<r4fkramer>Let me explain my doubt first, please. I need to fix this doubt.
00:04<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1202640/
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00:05<r4fkramer>My question is: However, the stable version already installed on Debian is 3.7.3.
00:05<r4fkramer>To install Python 3.9, I need the above component listed in my debian paste....
00:05<r4fkramer>would build-essential 12.6 and curl 7.64.0-4+deb10u2 be compatible with version 3.9? What about the other packages?
00:06<Sqrt{not}>r4fkramer, that looks really complicated. you can upgrade buster to become bullseye. you can install bullseye
00:07<r4fkramer>if there is no other choice, no problem to upgrade from buster to bullseye. If that's the only secure option, I can do it.
00:08<r4fkramer>So, better upgrading to bullseye now ?
00:08<Sqrt{not}>yes, it will be the new debian stable in about a month anyway.
00:09<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, buster->bullseye
00:09<dpkg>In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", change "bullseye/updates" to "bullseye-security" on the security line; remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. We're close to release so bullseye isn't a <moving target>. Please report upgrade bugs and serious problems with packages.
00:10<r4fkramer>Fine Srt{not} and sney for help and assistace :) Thank you very much for answering too, craigevil :)
00:11<r4fkramer>I know this procedure to be applied in sources.list, thank you very much !
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00:12<r4fkramer>And, if bullseye comes with python 3.9 by default, my question is fixed already.
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01:30<twb>Does certbot in buster actually work? I remember "old certbot" stopped working, but I don't remember if that was buster or stretch
01:33<twb>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=certbot;dist=stable looks mostly OK
01:33<twb>I saw the 0.3 and got a bit scared :-)
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02:57<Talkless>Hi. intel-microcode changelong (https://salsa.debian.org/hmh/intel-microcode/-/blob/debian/3.20210608.2_deb9u1/debian/changelog) mentions "signatures" like 0x906ea, 0x406e3 and 0x506e3. How do I get signatures in Debian? I don't see any similar hex numbers in lscpu, dmidecode, hwinfo.. ?
02:58<Talkless>cpu signatures
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03:10<twb>Talkless: Jun 28 03:41:55 hera kernel: microcode: sig=0x806eb, pf=0x80, revision=0xde
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03:10<twb>Talkless: i.e. dmesg / journalctl -k
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03:12<Talkless>twb: thanks, some machines with bigger boto times no longer have entries in journalctl, but I found via "zgrep 'microcode: sig' /var/log/kern.log*"
03:12<Talkless>boot*
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03:13<twb>There may be other ways to get it
03:13<twb>That's just the first I found
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03:13<twb>If you have sufficient disk, I recommend making /var/log/journal persistent. It is not a full substitute for /var/log (rsyslog), but it makes some operations faster.
03:15<Talkless>twb: I've heard bullseye will have persistan journal by default?
03:15<Talkless>kinda feels like duplicate, as rsyslog will still be needed, for logcheck..
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03:16<twb>Talkless: https://github.com/trentbuck/journalcheck
03:16<twb>Also not feature-parity :-)
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03:16<twb>If you run logcheck on a server farm, I strongly recommend rsyslog-relp and running a single central logcheck
03:17<Talkless>twb: "farm" is just of 4 Debian machines :>
03:17<twb>I wrote journalcheck for one/few-server sites, but it also includes all the "run 1000 times faster" tweaks from my in-house logcheck fork (not public yet IIRC)
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03:18<Talkless>twb: if there's central logchekc, will you see hostname of machine which log messages where selected?
03:18<twb>Talkless: yeah probably not worth it unless you have lots of non-systemd-machined containers
03:19<twb>Talkless: unless you --summarize, yes
03:19<Talkless>twb: oh right, there's hostnme in every log line :))
03:19<Talkless>sily me
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03:20<twb>https://github.com/trentbuck/journalcheck/blob/master/journalcheck/__init__.py#L3 is the "active ingredient"
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03:20<Talkless>I alwayse looked at subject of logchekc email to determine hostname....
03:21<twb>I's still a bit buggy, e.g. "journalcheck --since=yesterday --save" will write a literal "yesterday" into the logtail file
03:22<Talkless>twb: I'll wait until it's in debian repos :P
03:22<Talkless>ok thanks agai twb, gotta go
03:22<Talkless>again
03:23<twb>I don't expect to package that anytime soon
03:23<twb>If you care enough file an RFP
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03:37<spine-o-saurus>when booting with the amdgpu driver are these boot params needed? radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
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03:39<raven523>only for the older Sea Islands (CIK, GCN 2) cards
03:40<ratrace>side-question. how does one know which card is that. After years of nvidia, I got an AMD RX 6700 XT, and I've had to fight with it finding firmware and things. And for the life of me, among ALL the possible labels and designations, I have zero clue what my card is or isn. rdna? rdna2? gcn? cik? navi 22? sienna something? ........
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03:41<raven523>I usually just look on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
03:42<ratrace>I've seen that and all it says is Navi22, which is also what lspci says " VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 22 (rev c1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])"
03:42<ratrace>but what about this rdna2 thingy, and where does gcn and cik come into play. so bloody frustrating.
03:43<ratrace>I have graphics glitches, and am pining to try out the hot, right out of the Linus oven, 5.13, as it has a bunch of amdgpu changes, but never in the changelogs, docs, code, firmware things, ever do I see "navi 22" mentioned. only "navi 12"
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03:44<raven523>RDNA and GCN are instruction sets
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03:45<raven523>RDNA and RDNA2 are different microarchitectures implementing the RDNA instruction set
03:45<ratrace>and where can I find that info about my card. all I have is one clue from the sales brochure stating "The AMD Radeon™ RX 6700 XT graphics card, powered by AMD RDNA™ 2 architecture..."
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03:47<raven523>according to https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt it's part of the radeon 6000 series, which I guess is the rx 6000 series on that wikipedia article
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03:48<raven523>so it's codenamed Navi 2X, has the RDNA instruction set, and uses the RDNA 2 microarchitecture
03:48<spine-o-saurus>still trying to get my system to boot xorg with the amdgpu all i can get to is the console with booting option nomodeset
03:48<raven523>spine-o-saurus: which GPU do you have?
03:48<ratrace>raven523: I see, thanks. I swear, all this effort to go fully FOSS is kicking me in the butt real hard
03:49<spine-o-saurus>6900
03:49<raven523>RX 6900, or HD 6900?
03:49<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: I had to bump to bullseye to get my 6700xt get off of its console ass
03:50<spine-o-saurus>https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6900-xt-11308-06-20g/p/N82E16814202396?Description=radeon%206900&cm_re=radeon_6900-_-14-202-396-_-Product&quicklink=true
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03:50<ratrace>but glitches galore, I pulled in 5.12 and latest possible firmware from kernel.org and that helped a bit, but still glitching. now I'll be trying 5.13
03:50<raven523>so XT. You likely need a newer kernel to run that
03:50<ratrace>you definitely need 5.10+
03:51<spine-o-saurus>running the 5.12.13
03:51<ratrace>my rx6700xt laughed when I showed it to 4.19. it laughed, I cried.
03:51<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: and did you get the latest firmware too?
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03:52<spine-o-saurus>i did an update but looks like it never worked. when i try to load xorg it says no screens found
03:52<spine-o-saurus>rebuilt the initrd too but still no go
03:52<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: "did an update". did you take the firmware from kernel.org? latest, from may 11th 2021?
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03:53<spine-o-saurus>not sure what you mean?
03:53<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: amdgpu requires firmware. if you're using the kernel.org 5.12.13 (like I'm right now), you also need to use kernel.org firmware, as the debian packaged one is too old
03:53<spine-o-saurus>no how did you get that?
03:53<ratrace>so I had teh same issue, xorg erroring with no screens until I gave it latest firmware
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03:54<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/ :: download teh latest tarball (may 11th), unpack it and sync ONLY the lib/firmware/amdgpu/ dir with rsync using --delete as well
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03:55<spine-o-saurus>how did you find that out was that in the wiki?
03:55<ratrace>now be very careful you don't touch or damage other firmware that's coming from regular packages. and first uninstall firmware-amd-graphics so you don't mess with its files
03:56<ratrace>spine-o-saurus: no, I know about where FOSS firmware comes from and the packaged one is older than latest available
03:56<ratrace>even bullseye's is from 20210315 and sinc then there's been a bunch of amdgpu related additions, through 20210511
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03:58<twb>I wasn't listening. Is all that AMD crap above only if you run the non-free driver? Or is that for the DFSG-free radeon driver?
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03:58<ratrace>twb: it's actually for the FOSSy in-kernel, in-mainline, amdgpu driver
03:58<twb>Ouch
03:59<ratrace>the non-free was easy to install but required ubuntu, and even THAT had glitches on my card, though much less thatn the fossy one
03:59<twb>All my AMD systems I only interact via the BMC's GPU so I haven't had to fight that stuff
03:59<twb>c2:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family [1a03:2000] (rev 41)
03:59<twb>^ blergh
03:59<ratrace>and there's also the question of vulkan...... steam is complaining it can't use vulkan...... ffffffff
04:00<twb>ah yeah I don't even try to run non-free games on top of a free base
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04:00<ratrace>And to think I coulda paid 200€ more and got nvidia rtx 3060ti. one apt install nvidia-driver from backports later, I'd be a happy little camper.
04:00<twb>I had enough bad experiences trying to run non-free RAID admin tools and databases :-)
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04:01<ratrace>but noooo. go FOSS, the voices said. amdgpu goood, the voices said. don't pay the nvidia tax, the voices said.
04:01*twb goes back to playing Alarm für Cobra 11 3 on NTOSknrl
04:01<ratrace>twb: I prefer FOSS wherever possible, but this is ridiculous. even the nonfree, amdgpupro is glitching!
04:02<ratrace>now, true, the card is literally 3 months old, released in march this year..... BUT STILL! why would that matter. don't release if you don't have software support for it. period.
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04:03<ratrace>meanwhile... I want to try 5.13 kernel, but experience has taught me to never touch the kernel before .10 point release... so now I don't know whether to risk it or not :)
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04:04<twb>What I do for hw is just put it on a shelf for six months
04:05<twb>By which time reverse engineers have merged their work into mainline and it Just Works for me
04:05<twb>(Living in Australia also helps because Australia Tax also includes a 3 to 12 month delay on hardware updates)
04:06<ratrace>I usually don't buy hardware that Stable doesn't support, but this is exceptional situation. my old nvidia gtx960 desperately needed a replacement and the situation with GPUs now is what it is. you're luck if you can find a decent card, for decent monies. I grabbed this amd because it is in the 3060ti range, but halfa price (at the time). so I insta-bought it.
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04:06<ratrace>few weeks later I see the prices for nvidias dropped ..... fffffuuuuu
04:06<twb>I think they must ship it from China to USA, open all the boxes, move the hardware to different boxes, then ship it all back to Australia
04:08<ratrace>nevertheless I thought being FOSSy, amdgpu would have much better support than nvidia, which lags behind the kernel, isn't supported by programs linked with vaapi, no wayland....
04:08<ratrace>I couldn't be more wrong lol
04:08<twb>ratrace: if you want to be FOSS-y get an intel GPU
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04:10<ratrace>apparently. when my gtx960 broke I switched to in-cpu gpu and that was very nice. smooth, no screen tearing, vaapi support, oh hey, hello wayland!
04:10<ratrace>since then I upgraded to ryzen, not apu, got amdgpu, and am full of tears for several weeks now.
04:11<twb>I had to learn to see tearing for work; now I can't unsee it
04:11<ratrace>I've also had very "fun" times getting this ryzen 5600x to even run .. this is the last time I ever buy amd anything.
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04:12<twb>Real Soon Now we can say "RV or GTFO" right? :-)
04:12<ratrace>RV?
04:12<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V
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04:13<ratrace>ah yes, risc. heh, no. I fully expect the software/hardware industry to show its full potential and fragment riscv implementations into 14 different, incompatible standards
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04:13<twb>ratrace: that fragmentation is built into the spec
04:13<ratrace>which is, like, "I don't even", amirite? :)
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04:17<ratrace>speaking of ... distros are plannign to utilize new glibc HWCAPS feature and offer packages optimized for latest CPUs. I fully expect Debian to go "herp derp Universal" and still support x86_386 :)
04:17<ratrace>Time to undust the gentoo installation ISO
04:18<ratrace>we're again back in that state where due to CPU generational differences, building march=native is offering massive gains for hardware it runs on
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04:28<quadrat>ratrace sadly 5.13 has a bug with booting 2 DP monitors, so idk if you really want to test that out
04:29<twb>ratrace: IME that only really matters for a small set of packages -- kernel, ffmpeg, browser engine. So cherry pick / rebuild those, and leave the rest portable.
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04:30<twb>If you go digging you find that some of those packages that need e.g. 2GB of RAM to compile, quietly tweaked debian/rules CXXFLAGS to drop support for hardware that has a 128MB RAM physical limit :-)
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04:30<twb>sadmin_: do you have a Debian question?
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04:38<ratrace>quadrat: I have one huge curved screen so that's okay. I'm more worried about filesystem/block layer bugs that plagued a few recent releases
04:39<ratrace>twb: yeah, multimedia mostly. I already rebuild some python graphics libs with march=native for production servers and the gains there are 30% (image processing stuff)
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04:40<twb>ratrace: as in PIL / pillow?
04:40<ratrace>ya
04:40<twb>ratrace: did you know you can get a 30% speedup in GNU grep with LC_COLLATE=C
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04:40<ratrace>I heard rumours :)
04:40<twb>due to a glibc bug which treats C different from C.UTF-8
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04:47<twb>ratrace: you can see here to what extent it's actually fragmented: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-cores-list RV64GC is a very common baseline for desktop-class cores
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04:47<twb>and RV32IMAC (but less so) on the embedded front
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04:58<ratrace>you know, intel sucks because security issues but at the end of the day, intel cpus have 50 years of engagement, history, and thousands of eyes looking deep into it, especially since 2018.
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04:58<ratrace>so... hello RiscV in 2070? :) Debian 35? :)
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05:10<twb>ratrace: FSVO "cpu" = "the CISC ABI being emulated in microcode by a completely opaque, undocumented, proprietary RISC"
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05:10<agentcasey>win 12
05:12<twb>ratrace: also note that Intel licensed Si-Five's RV64 2 weeks ago
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05:14<twb>(This was after they tried to just buy out Si-Five 3 weeks ago)
05:15<ratrace>they'll soon make an offer sifive can't refuse :)
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07:42<Marcos_MaGeek>Hi there. Is it just me or there is an issue with mirrors? I have tried a few and all of them show these error: bullseye/InRelease expired
07:42<bentham>!bullseye pool 1
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08:11<Unit193>Is that pool "generally whoever is closest" or "closest without going over"? :P
08:13<ratrace>"who cares, I lost in either case"
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08:55<petn-randall>Unit193: I think "closest", but it seems I forgot to join. :-S
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09:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:14<node1>Hello, I'm running a debian server with ntp daemon inside it. I would likes to know on what time system clock is getting updated from debian pool?
10:15<ratrace>node1: "on what time"?
10:15<imMute>node1: like at what time of day the sync happens?
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10:16<node1>Like there is file: /var/log/ntpstats/loopstats which has the clock offset details. I would like to know on what time a new data appears there? I guess it appears when there is updation in system clock.
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10:18<node1>I wish i could know it's timing to be appears there at file.
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10:20<imMute>you'll probably have to ask on the ntpd mailing list, that's a pretty obscure detail
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10:31<FH_thecat>how do I configure lilo to boot the debian kernel image ?
10:32<FH_thecat>I have installed the kernel image package: linux-image-amd64
10:32<FH_thecat>but when I add the entry to lilo.conf, and reboot, I get kernel panic
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10:34<quadrat>FH_thecat what error did you get? did you read through the wiki article about LILO?
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10:37<FH_thecat>quadrat: I read the wiki, and configured lilo.conf accordingly:
10:37<FH_thecat>https://justpaste.it/99qsr
10:37<FH_thecat>the first lilo entry is my custom kernel, which boots fine
10:38<FH_thecat>the second entry is debian kernel, which ends in kernel panic
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10:42<FH_thecat>quadrat: I can post screenshot of the kernel panic, if you think it helps
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10:43<quadrat>yeah please
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10:45<FH_thecat>quadrat: https://paste.pics/53199721ee9a9f7e4e6fea9e2a8fd7dc
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10:46<twb>imMute: ntpd runs constantly
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10:47<imMute>twb: I know that. but how often is that stats file updated, is the question.
10:47<twb>Ah
10:47<twb>Are you running ntpsec or legacy ntp
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10:47<imMute>twb: node1 is the one asking.
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10:48<twb>Ah sorry
10:48<twb>node1: are you running ntpsec?
10:49<node1>legacy ntp
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10:50<twb>Hrm, I can't immediately see it
10:50<twb>You realize the first two fields are a timestamp, yes?
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10:52<twb>e.g. "50935 75440.031 ..." means 1858-07-17 + 50935 days + 75440.031 seconds (I think)
10:53<sychill>after an upgrade, i launch mutt and it falls over with an error: smime_encrypt_self unknown variable. I guess mutt has obsoleted that. Question is, is that considered well-behaved for a debian app? Shouldn't the installer check for config changes like that & warn the user or something?
10:54<twb>sychill: usually upstream takes care of that, or if not, there wil be a warning in /usr/share/doc/foo/Debian.NEWS.gz
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10:55<twb>sychill: I guess that one wasn't found, or considered important enough
10:55<sychill>twb: thanks, i'll have a look
10:57<twb>sychill: are you running mutt from buster?
10:57<quadrat>sorry, can't figure it out FH_thecat
10:57<sychill>indeed it was not mentioned
10:57<sychill>twb: bullseye
10:58<twb>Then you should be talking to #debian-next
10:58<twb>Minor problems like that are expected in testing
10:58<node1>twb, Yes those are julian time
10:58<imMute>sychill: also, maint scripts typically deal with *system* configs, not *user* configs.
10:59<sychill>twb: well, I was asking a general question (what should debian do).. this sort of thing could have happened in any release
10:59<twb>sychill: you're not using a release tho
10:59<sychill>but i will report there
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10:59<twb>sychill: that's why we have testing, so helpful people can report it before it hits stable :-)
10:59<node1>twb, Those fields timestamp data can be converted into epoch time using (1st field - 40587) * 86400 + 2nd field =
11:00<node1>But i have checked the time difference it looks not in sequence or contant interval.
11:00<twb>it should drift a little back and forth, but not much
11:00<node1>Sometime it appears in 3 seconds , sometime it appears 3 minutes or 2 hours later
11:00<twb>By "a little" I mean less than a minute
11:01<twb>Sorry, I'm not really an expert on this. #ntpsec know about ntpsec; nobody really talks about legacy ntp
11:01<sychill>well, it /could/ have been released.. I skipped from stretch to bullseye
11:02<sychill>anyway, I reported to debian-next (even though i've seen announcements that Bullseye was already released)
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11:04<sney>debian packages should not traverse /home for config changes. global configs are often handled by debconf prompts if there is a significant change, but that's for specific conffiles in /etc.
11:05<sney>you just have to look at the changelog or NEWS files when upgrading major versions
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11:05<sney>(or don't, and adjust to changes on the fly, which is also usually fine)
11:05<sychill>sounds reasonable
11:06<twb>usually something like mutt would for a major release go "hey I notice you're still saying $foo when it's now $bar, fix your config"
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11:07<sney>yeah, if it's /etc/default/mutt or something, but not if it's a per-user setting
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11:09<twb>sney: I meant mutt would do it, not debian install scripts
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11:09<twb>emacs certainly does
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11:09<sney>oh, right. that would be smart
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11:19<Santos>Hi guys... whats version mx linux ?
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11:20<sney>!mxlinux
11:20<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
11:20<Santos>how to know my linux version
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13:38<Ares>Hi!
13:39<Ares>I am new to programming! can you please teach me all the steps to become a package manager from zero?
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13:39<sney>!nmg
13:39<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/
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13:40<Ares>thanks!
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13:41<sney>np
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13:51<Ares>By any chance do you have a programming book that can take me from 0 to master or any other resources? I`ve tried hundreds of courses and they just teach the basics and nothing funny
13:52<sarnold>zero to master is too large a spectrum to cover in one book
13:53<bahamat>Ares: Going from basics to master is years of experience. It can't be taught in a course or a book.
13:53<twb>Ares: you also want #debian-mentors or #packaging, depending on what you're doing
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13:53<Ares>a few books but good ones so I can write strong code
13:53<sychill>,v t-prot
13:53<judd>Package: t-prot on amd64 -- jessie: 3.3-1; buster: 3.4-4; stretch: 3.4-4; bullseye: 3.4-4.1; sid: 3.4-4.1
13:53<sney>the zed shaw stuff is pretty good, but you learn the most by actually making stuff
13:53<twb>Ares: package managers don't do much actual programming.
13:53<sarnold>and going to real mastery of a tpoic really requires years of experience; books can help along the way but there's just no substitute for hard work
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13:54<twb>But we always need more of them
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14:02<alex11>this might be a little snarky, but honesty? the best way to go from 0 to master is to actually enjoy what you're doing
14:02<alex11>if it's drudgery to you - whatever it is - you're not going to make it
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14:03<alex11>there's steps to fill in along the way, there are resources etc, but first of all decide if you actually want to do whatever it is
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14:04<Ares>i am coming from the web dev world so I need some books
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14:05<alex11>o'reilly has a lot of programming books
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14:06<Ares>thanks! can you give me a name to start with?
14:07<twb>Ares: do you want to learn programming so you can get a job, or because learning is fun?
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14:08<Ares>I need to get a job as well soon
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14:08<twb>If the latter, I recommend SICP from the MIT 6.001 course.
14:09<sarnold>Ares: the pragmatic programmer: from journeyman to master, is pretty good; as is Code Complete 2. they're both worth a read.
14:09<twb>https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/
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14:10<Ares>thanks! that`s amazing!
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14:12<twb>SICP is a good "top-down" mathematics-based entry point. Simultaneously, I also recommend learning any RISC assembly (e.g. MIPS), or K&R 2nd edition. Those cover "bottom-up" electrical-engineering-based entry point.
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14:13<twb>This is if you want to understand things. If you want to get a job, start with Python I guess.
14:14<Ares>so you mean RISC CPU assembly?
14:14<twb>Yes
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14:15<Ares>what is SICP?
14:15<jim>Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
14:15<jim>(also known as the best intro to CS on the planet)
14:16<sarnold>nice endorsement :)
14:16<Ares>and where can I find SICP?
14:16<jim>it originated at MIT
14:16<ratrace>people should really start learning programming with ASM, indeed. if more people did that, then maybe, just maybe we'd have less electrons, snaps, and 60MB large note taking apps that can do less than 720kB word perfect.
14:16<Ares>got it
14:16<sarnold>Ares: that was twb's link
14:16<jim>and there are video lectures, and the full text
14:17<twb>Then in your copious free time, also spend a semester each on Forth/Factor, Erlang, Prolog/Mercury, and Haskell. Maybe one of the popular simula-based OOs. Then practical courses -- ethics/law, operating systems design (Andy Tanenbaum's circus book), network protocols (Kerninghan and Pike, I guess?), and security (Ross Anderson)
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14:17<jim>I -just- got here, so I dunno what the interest in SICP is?
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14:17<twb>jim: Ares asked "how should I learn programming"
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14:18<jim>that's a good way... let me qualify a bit...
14:18<jim>Ares, what's your math background like?
14:19<Ares>I am trying my best.... with math
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14:19<jim>ok, care to tell me the last math class you took?
14:20<Ares>it was many years ago
14:20<jim>that's fine :)
14:20<Ares>like 16 years ago
14:20<jim>that's fine :)
14:20<jim>are we talking about HS algebra?
14:21<sarnold>a discrete math textbook wouldn't be out of place
14:21<jim>yep
14:21<sarnold>group theory / ring theory is handy also but you'll use discrete math concepts all the time
14:21<sarnold>linear algebra good stuff too
14:22<jim>I'm just trying to see if he'd enjoy the sicp course
14:22<twb>jim: probably you need to know what curriculum also. e.g. AFAICT USA doesn't do high school mathematics until university.
14:22<jim>if he's a fairly mature math student, maybe answer to that is yes
14:23<twb>Just make Ares watch the first 30 minutes of the video and either go "zomg this is scary" or "oh yeah OK I kinda get it"
14:23<jim>yeah I got the playlist right here
14:25<jim>Ares, to see if you'd like it, install a copy of guile-2.2 and watch the first video in this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&list=PLE18841CABEA24090
14:25<Ares>I used to program long time ago before I got into army and then forgot everything,
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14:25<jim>Ares, do you want easy? or challenging?
14:26<Ares>I left the army and now I try to find someting else
14:26<Ares>I like challenging ones
14:26<jim>ok
14:27<Ares>i don`t mind with the easy ones as well as long as I build a full base because I am very fast reader
14:28<jim>try the playlist I posted above. you might also look at this (11 hour python video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxoh9Rrtdk
14:28<Ares>should I take those MIT 6 courses from top to bottom?
14:29<jim>the video series I posted is of a MIT 6.001 course presented with lisp in 1985
14:29<Ares>thanks!
14:29<Ares>i can go after that MIT 6.002
14:29<Ares>?
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14:30<Ares>i will finish all MIT 6.001
14:30<jim>personally, I'd go with the python video.
14:31<jim>also, here's the book for SICP: https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
14:31<jim>now, I got a question... on debian stable, how can I install postgres server and clients?
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14:33<ratrace>jim: apt install postgresql-11 ?
14:33<sychill>what's wrong with this? => apt-file search -x '\<dig\>'
14:33<sychill>it finds nothing, but i'm expecting it to tell me which pkg has the dig command
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14:33<Ares>can I download that book?
14:33<ratrace>jim: or just apt install postgresql, and it'll pull in the correct version, 11 being on buster, 13 on bullseye
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14:34<jim>judd, depends postgresql
14:34<judd>Package postgresql in buster/amd64 -- depends: postgresql-11.
14:35<jim>judd, depends postgresql-11
14:35<judd>Package postgresql-11 in buster/amd64 -- depends: locales | locales-all, postgresql-client-11, postgresql-common (>= 194~), ssl-cert, tzdata, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.17), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg), libicu63 (>= 63.1-1~), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libllvm7 (>= 1:7~svn298832-1~), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpq5 (>= 9.3~), libselinux1 (>= 2.1.12), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0),
14:35<judd>libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libsystemd0, libuuid1 (>= 2.16), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.25), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
14:35<twb>sychill: I do "apt-file search bin/dig"
14:35<twb>sychill: its regex option never works for me
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14:36<twb>sychill: in any case, you want ldnsutils (drill) or knot-dnsutils (kdig)
14:36<twb>sychill: or just use resolvectl query
14:36<sychill>twb: thanks!
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14:47<Ares>thank you so much, I will come back if I have any questions! Thanks a lot!
14:47<jim>you're welcome... and, there's more :)
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14:54<kikutor>do not take vaccine, it's poison !!!
14:55<kikutor>covid-19 is big manipulation
14:55<sney>that doesn't sound like a debian support question
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14:56<kikutor>i like debian
14:56<kikutor>i do not want debian developper dead
14:56<kikutor>keep your brain in good condition
14:56<sney>great, thanks.
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14:56<sney>!offtopic
14:56<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
14:57<kikutor>ok sorry
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14:58<imMute>kikutor: alternately, take your conspiracy bullshit elsewhere. preferably away from other humans.
14:59<@bremner>they left
14:59<twb>FTR I considered redirecting ares (re offtopic), but felt it was worth covering here since channel was not busy
14:59<sney>oddly cooperative for a spammer lol
14:59<@bremner>about 1 second before being kicked
14:59<@bremner>twb: yeah, there's offtopic and offplanet
14:59<sussudio>pretty pointless while TOR is allowed in here
15:00<@bremner>sussudio: either people on tor behave, or all of tor will be banned
15:00<@bremner>it's that simple
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15:00<twb>bremner: can't you make it "register-only for tor origins" ?
15:01<ratrace>there should be zero tolerance, insta kickban for the antivaxxer imperial scum
15:01<bremner>ratrace: pretty much. But now we're just being trolled.
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15:01<bremner>twb: possibly.
15:01<sney>glad they left before seeing any actual pushback, we'd have gotten both barrels
15:01<sney>my responses weren't entertaining enough
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15:05<Sqrt{not}>Anyway, it's just Father Darwin at work
15:06<sney>there is no arguing with those people. just get your shots and cross your fingers for statistics.
15:07<Ares>for work should I learn Python first?
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15:07<sney>python is great and tries to be readable, and you can do a lot in it, it's a good multipurpose language to start with
15:08<Ares>perfect! Thank you a lot!
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15:08<sney>check out "learn python the hard way", it's available online
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16:33<r4fkramer>Hi all. I read in an article that reported the existence of 221 critical bugs around March of this year in Debian Bullseye. I'm using debian bullseye now; how many bugs considered critical still need to be fixed in this current phase?
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16:34<r4fkramer>Please
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16:36<quadrat>https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ but release-critical bugs doesn't mean much, as they can also _not_ block the release
16:36<sarnold>r4fkramer: that's probably this list https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;severity=critical -- you can poke around on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ to expand or reduce that list as needde
16:36<quadrat>r4fkramer ^
16:37<quadrat>huh, interesting, how come the numbers are so different oO
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16:38<sarnold>excellent question
16:38<quadrat>hopefully it's only a month left for release :( waiting for sid to get rolling again
16:39<sney>RC bugs are severity Important and up, right? not just critical
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16:51<quadrat>hm, it doesn't load for me with severity=important :(
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16:52<sney>the udd search works, https://udd.debian.org/bugs/?release=bullseye&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&flastmodval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&format=html#results
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16:54<sney>a couple more sample queries at the top, https://udd.debian.org/bugs/
16:54<quadrat>hm seems like not all rc bugs are imho rc bugs (chromium: Update Chromium to 91.0.4472.114) for example
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16:55<sney>not-actual-bugs will probably be cleaned up at the hard freeze
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17:01<jhutchins>,checkbackport calibre
17:01<judd>Backporting package calibre in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), poppler-utils (>= 0.85.0), pyqt5-dev (>= 5.15.0+dfsg-1+exp1~), python3-mechanize, python3-py7zr, python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine (>= 5.12.1-4+b1), python3-pyqtbuild, python3-sipbuild, qtbase5-dev (>= 5.12), sip-tools.
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17:04<Mister00X>jhutchins: hm maybe norb can help you with that. iirc he's the maintainer for calibre
17:04<Mister00X>Oh nvm he's not in this channel
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17:04<Mister00X>sry
17:04<jhutchins>He won't even look at a bug in stable because it's "too old".
17:05<Mister00X>well yes this is ofc a possibility
17:07<jhutchins>I'm pretty sure the actual bug is in python, but I don't have the resources to track it down.
17:07<Mister00X>I mean it's not like stable bugs are unimportant, I mean people are gonna use that version up to five years
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17:08<Mister00X>jhutchins: my gut tells me it's poppler but thats just a feeling
17:09<Mister00X>oh wait sry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
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17:10<jhutchins>The buster version is the same as the backported stretch version, but it won't open a library/db on a CIFS share, while stretch and earlier have had no problems with it.
17:13<Mister00X>okay I have to admit that cifs are completely out of my area of knowledge
17:13<r4fkramer>Back here. Sorry, sarnold and quadrant. Thank you for link :)
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17:16<jhutchins>Mister00X: I use it so I don't have to juggle UIDs on several machines (not enough for NIS).
17:16<Mister00X>ic ci
17:18<Mister00X>s/ic ci/I c I c
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17:19<r4fkramer>sarnold, thank you for these information :) I saw and read some few parts of this list in the link https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;severity=critical#_0_0_3, and others in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;severity=critical#_0_0_3
17:20<r4fkramer>But I still don't have any idea about the meaning of 'RC bugs'...
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17:22<r4fkramer>This terminology 'RC' is not mentioned on these links given
17:23<Mister00X>r4fkramer: from my understanding RC means it makes a package unfit for a stable release
17:24<r4fkramer>Fine Mister00x, not it's clear for me. Thank you very much :)
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17:25<Mister00X>r4fkramer: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.en.html#severities --- maybe this can help
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17:27<r4fkramer>Oh, and it explains about bug reports process and it describes several severity levels. Thank you, Mister00X!
17:28<Mister00X>r4fkramer: I am glad that I could help
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17:31<r4fkramer>Surely you helped me, Mister00X :) I always look for information about Debian that can be substantiated - Although a lot of information can be obtained from Google, I always prefer confirmation or obtaining information here.
17:31<jhutchins>r4fkramer: Things can change, and old documen tation on the web isn't always updated (or dated at all).
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17:33<r4fkramer>Agree jhutchins. Through You, I know that I can trust the information without having to do additional research to confirm the veracity of the first information obtained.
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17:47<Ares>RC means Release Candidate so not stable
17:47<gru>how do i check from which source a package is installed?
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17:49<Ares>I am still learning so please wait for an experienced developer`s answer
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17:50<Linux-Fan>gru: Does `apt-cache policy <package>` help you?
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17:50<grove>gru: You can't, but `apt-cache policy <package>` will tell you what version is installed, and which versions are available from which sources, if the version you have is currently available from some source, there's a chance that's where you got it`
17:51<gru>thank you
17:51<gru>when i install docker.io i get an oops
17:51<gru>when i install docker everything works
17:51<gru>they should be the same, isnt it?
17:52<Linux-Fan>gru: No, docker is a GUI package and docker.io is the Docker Community Edition container tool.
17:52<gru>apt-cache policy docker.io -> 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+b3 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bullseye/main arm64 Packages
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17:52<gru>apt-cache policy docker -> 1.5-2 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bullseye/main arm64 Packages
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17:53<gru>when i install docker-compose apt install docker.io, too
17:53<gru>then i get the oops
17:53<gru>can i prevent apt from install docker.io?
17:53<Linux-Fan>Your `docker` (without the .io) is the "transitional package for system tray docking application."
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17:53<r4fkramer>Thank you Ares :)
17:53<gru>i have no gui
17:53<gru>i install it on a headless server
17:53<FLHerne>Ares: In the context of "RC bug" it doesn't, it's "Release Critical"
17:53<Linux-Fan>gru: What point is using docker-compose without the Docker Daemon (package `docker.io`)?
17:54<Ares>oups!
17:54<Linux-Fan>You'll need to find a different way to get rid of the Kernel Oops. I.e. try to install a newer Docker from upstream or upgrade your kernel? I do not know anything about arm64 though...
17:55<gru>https://pastebin.com/jMzj93Nh
17:55<gru>this is the dmesg after i install docker.io
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17:58<quadrat>gru you should ask your questions in #debian-next as you are running bullseye, but wth is going on on your system oO
18:01<gru>@quadrat, i have no idea what is going on :(
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18:01<quadrat>gru is this official debian, or some hardkernel "debian"?
18:01<gru>hardkernel debian
18:02<quadrat>then you would need to ask them, as they patch quite a bit afaik
18:04<quadrat>hm seems like it's not even official hardkernel oO?
18:05<gru>how can i find this out? i installed in via netboot_default in petitboot
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18:06<quadrat>i mean just when I go to their wiki, it says the only supported distributions for that device are android and ubuntu (which is also heavily modified)
18:08<quadrat>(so you wouldn't even be able to get support from #ubuntu on libera.chat
18:08<sarnold>gru: yikes; you should give that paste to whoever maintains your kernel
18:08<gru>ok
18:08<quadrat>yeah, I know why I stick to raspberry pi :/
18:09<gru>thank you..
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18:09<gru>i didnt stick to rpi because its a bit slow for nextcloudpi
18:09<sney>last time I used an odroid, I could run debian arm64 on it, no need for the special bundled image
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18:09<sney>that was a C2 but I imagine it's possible with this model too
18:09<quadrat>I guess so, but the question is, is it the hassle worth it
18:10<sney>if you've already got the hardware in hand
18:11<quadrat>i guess so. would probably first try "ubuntu" first I guess
18:12<gru>maybe you are right..
18:12<quadrat>they write that anything 5.8 and up is supported in mainline, so who knows
18:12<gru>how can i see what kernels are available? because i think it worked a version before
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18:13<quadrat>start out with their ubuntu focal image, and then go from there. with such devices I would try to stay as close to "supported" as possible, so you don't hit any weird bugs
18:14<quadrat>so probably containerize as much as possible i guess
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18:15<gru>ok thank you for your advice!
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20:36<sirmanuel>hello
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20:37<sney>hi
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20:46<jim>sirmanuel, hi... what's new?
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20:51<sirmanuel>everything is ok from me
20:52<sirmanuel>who can to help with an issue?
20:52<sirmanuel>who can help with an issue?
20:52<Sqrt{not}>many of us, but give more details
20:53<sirmanuel>I'm having troubles with my bluetooth driver atheros athk3
20:53<sirmanuel>ath3k
20:54<sirmanuel>Blueman says it doesn't found adapters
20:54<sirmanuel>so I have investigate a little and I have found some things but it can resolve it
20:55<trench>sirmanuel: why not?
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20:57<sirmanuel>it says this Bluetooth: Firmware file "ath3k-1.fw" not found
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20:58<Sqrt{not}>judd: file firmware-atheros
20:58<judd>No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
20:58<Sqrt{not}>,v firmware-atheros
20:58<judd>Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20210315-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210315-2; sid/non-free: 20210315-2; experimental/non-free: 20210322-1~exp1
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20:59<Sqrt{not}>sirmanuel, it is in that package, in the non-free section
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21:00<Sqrt{not}>,file ath3k-1.fw
21:00<judd>Search for ath3k-1.fw in buster/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ath3k-1.fw
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21:00<sirmanuel>I have non free in repositories and I already installed firnware-atheros
21:01<Sqrt{not}>sirmanuel, are you running debian 10 buster?
21:02<sirmanuel>debian 10
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21:02<jim>sirmanuel, do you have the netcat package installed?
21:03<sirmanuel>that file is on tha path but it doesn't detect
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21:03<sirmanuel>let me see about netcat
21:03<jim>(dpkg -s netcat | grep Status)
21:03<jim>it's for a cool pastebin
21:03<Sqrt{not}>which file is on path but doesn't detect? please explain
21:04<sirmanuel>ok, ath3k-1.fw is on lib/firmware
21:04<sirmanuel>I do not have installed netcat due
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21:04<jim>ok...
21:05<jim>this is a laptop?
21:05<sirmanuel>yes
21:05<jim>ok... does it have an ethernet port? (some do, some don't)
21:05<sirmanuel>yes
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21:06<jim>ok, good... do you have it connected by ethernet now?
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21:07<jim>(if not, do you happen to have a cable, and does your router device have ethernet ports)
21:07<twb>You almost certainly have "busybox nc" installed at least
21:07<sirmanuel>yes it is connect by ethernet now
21:07<jim>I didn't know about busybox nc
21:07<jim>oh good... could you try: apt install netcat
21:08<sirmanuel>yes
21:08<jim>(this is so you have a convenient way of submitting pastebins of file contents and command output)
21:08<sirmanuel>done
21:08<jim>excellent... (I'll chase down that busybox nc another time)
21:09<jim>could you run: sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 # this will pastebin your dmesg listing
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21:11<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/aa0m
21:11<jim>it werkd!
21:12<sirmanuel>what?
21:13<sirmanuel>what do you mean?
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21:16<jim>sorry, I screwed up...
21:16<jim>[ 14.216246] usb 1-1.2: Direct firmware load for ath3k-1.fw failed with error -2
21:16<jim>[ 14.216266] ath3k: probe of 1-1.2:1.0 failed with error -2
21:16<sirmanuel>yes, that
21:17<jim>judd, find ath3k-1.fw
21:17<judd>Search for ath3k-1.fw in buster/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ath3k-1.fw
21:17<sirmanuel>it is installed
21:17<sirmanuel>it is in lib/firmware
21:17<jim>hmm
21:18<jim>weird :)
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21:18<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/1dn6
21:18<jim>ok, let's try removing the driver and inserting it again (one sec tho)
21:18<sirmanuel>ok
21:19<sirmanuel>can I use synaptic to remove it?
21:19<jim>not that way, I meant modprobe -r it
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21:19<jim>so the command would be... modprobe -r ath3k
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21:20<sirmanuel>got it
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21:20<sirmanuel>done
21:20<jim>(as root of course)
21:20<jim>ok, let's test:
21:20<jim>lsmod | grep ath3k
21:20<sirmanuel>I still see it in lib/firmware
21:21<jim>we're not removing the package or the file
21:21<sirmanuel>a ok, lol
21:21<sirmanuel>that last one command show me nothing
21:21<jim>good
21:21<jim>try this: modprobe ath3k
21:22<sirmanuel>same
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21:22<jim>now try the test again: lsmod | grep ath3k
21:22<sirmanuel>done
21:23<jim>anything?
21:23<sirmanuel>show me some information
21:23<jim>oh good
21:23<jim>now, run (again) sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
21:24<jim>(by the way, nc got installed when you installed the netcat package)
21:24<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/nf4b
21:24<sirmanuel>ok, good
21:24<jim>I think that's a better result :)
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21:25<jim>it loaded the firmware
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21:26<sirmanuel>how can you know it?
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21:26<sirmanuel>do not catch the different xD
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21:26<jim>could you run: ls -CF /sys/class/net | nc termbin.com 9999
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21:26<jim>loook at the very end of the dmesg listing
21:27<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/ck8f
21:28<jim>aaaannnnnnd you have a wireless interface!
21:28<sirmanuel>yes
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21:29<sirmanuel>I am connect by ethernet but wireless is on to share signal
21:29<sirmanuel>is it a problem?
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21:31<jim>ok, not sure what to do now... here's his situation: he's connected by ethernet (so he can install packages), and he has a wireless interface... what's next to do to get his wireless going? needs to install stuff like iw?
21:31<sirmanuel>I have read that wireless chip has integrated bluetooth
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21:32<sirmanuel>My IW works very well
21:32<maher>I have stupid questions about git - is this a good place to ask them?
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21:32<Sqrt{not}>it looks like the bluetooth should be working now?
21:33<jim>what's that other thing you're supposed to have...
21:33<Sqrt{not}>look at the last 3 lines of that paste
21:33<jim>maher, either here or #git
21:33<Sqrt{not}>sirmanuel, can you try your bluetooth now?
21:34<sirmanuel>ok, let me try
21:34<maher>git status gives me: Your branch is up to date with 'origin/master'. but the last commit is Feb 26th, so it's not up to date - how to I get it to be up to date?
21:34<sirmanuel>ok ok
21:34<sirmanuel>it is different now
21:34<jim>how so?
21:35<abrotman>maher: you'd probably get a better group of folks in #git on Libera
21:35<maher>abrotman: thanks
21:35<sirmanuel>it shows me the configuration to bluetooth visibility
21:35<jim>abrotman, I'd say he needs to pull
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21:36<jim>(just had earthquake)
21:36<abrotman>jim: probably, but I'm guessing if he's asking, he's aready tried and there may be an issue?
21:37<jim>sure, I guess that could be
21:37<abrotman>and will still probably get better help from #git folks
21:37<Sqrt{not}>sirmanuel, is this better now, than before?
21:37<jim>is there not a #git here?
21:37<maher>when i do git pull it asks me if i want to merge or rebase
21:37<abrotman>jim: you should know, you recommended it?
21:38<maher>#git here has 4 people in it - let me check LIbera
21:38<abrotman>I told them to go where I know there's a git channel
21:38<abrotman>#git on libera has >550 people
21:38<jim>abrotman, perfect recommendation
21:39<abrotman>s/people/things present .../
21:39<jim>#git here ias 4 :)
21:39<jim>including me :)
21:40<maher>do I need to do something special to connect to Libera?
21:40<jim>also, they have an old topic saying main #git is on freenode; I think that's not true anymore, so I said so there
21:40<jim>maher, hold on
21:40<abrotman>maher: An IRC client :)
21:41<sirmanuel>Jim, thank you thank you very much :') it's working
21:41<jim>yay :)
21:41<maher>I get: * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
21:41<jim>I dood good!
21:41<abrotman>https://libera.chat/guides/connect
21:42<jim>I was looking for that
21:42<jim>maher, what kind of irc client you got?
21:42<maher>hexchat
21:42<jim>sirmanuel, you got connected with bluetooth... I think you can also connect with wifi if you want
21:43<jim>maher, me too...
21:43<Sqrt{not}>jim: [17:53:23] <sirmanuel> I'm having troubles with my bluetooth driver atheros athk3
21:44<abrotman>maher: which port are you trying to use?
21:44<sirmanuel>My wifi was working before friend
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21:44<maher>abrotman: 6697
21:44<abrotman>with or without TLS?
21:44<abrotman>you might want to try 6667
21:45<jim>sirmanuel, oh, ok... you're all set then :)
21:46<maher>abrotman: thanks - I needed to click the ssl box...
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21:46<abrotman>good luck
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21:48<sirmanuel>@jim Yes friend, thank you very much, I thought that it was something wrong with te laptop, that was driving me crazy because i wanted to connect my bluwetooth speakers
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22:02<jim>sirmanuel, and now bluetooth speakers working?
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22:04<sirmanuel>yes it does, I was able to pair them
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22:52<Marcos_MaGeek>Hi there. Is it just me or there is an issue with mirrors? I have tried a few and all of them show these error: bullseye/InRelease expired
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