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00:45<apteryx>hello! Are there default dpkg triggers run when installing a package to update the icon cache?
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01:16<apteryx>where can i see a list of all the dpkg triggers available?
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01:27<themill>apteryx: there's no canonical list of triggers anywhere; each package registers interest in a certain bits of the filesystem or declares certain triggers that other cooperating packages can hit
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02:06<xlirate>I am on a debian 10 server, and I am having troubles with my systemd. I have a service that I have linked started and enabled that is After=network.target and is restart=always, but when the server comes up the service does not start on it's own and I need to go in and manually re-run ss start service_name.service. What else could it be?
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02:14<xlirate>I got it. WantedBy=MultiUser.target does not work well on servers. network.target is better
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02:20<quadrat>xlirate did you enable the service?
02:22<xlirate>I did. I linked, started, and enabled the service. The issue was that my WantedBy=multi-user.target was not happening, so I switched it for WantedBy=network.target and it works now
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02:33<aidalgol>Do I need to do something to make all applications aware of newly-installed fonts?
02:33<xlirate>That probably varies from application to application
02:34<xlirate>Most will be fine just getting restarted. If that doesn't work you can try restarting your system if you can
02:34<aidalgol>Emacs sees it, but xfce4-terminal doesn't even after closing it, running fc-cache, and starting it again.
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02:34<xlirate>Perhaps you need to restart the entire box for xfce to see it
02:35<StarOnD>Hello everyone, I have a query. If I install a backports of package will it get upgraded when I do sudo apt-get update / upgrade ?
02:35<aidalgol>I'll try that.
02:36<xlirate>If the backports repo is in your apt.sources, it should be pulled from like any other repo
02:37<aidalgol>Yeah, that did it.
02:38<StarOnD>xlirate, I am confused. I wish to ALWAYS use the backport as the NEW packge is not working correctly. Will doing a sudo apt get update and upgrade once again install the NEW package which was not working?
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02:40<xlirate>apt does not treat backports repos any differently than it does every other repo. If you are installing/upgrading something that is found in both repos, apt will get the highest version number it can without breaking things. If that is found in backports, then it gets it from backports, if it is in some other repo, then there you go
02:40<aidalgol>StarOnD: I don't fully understand debian package versioning, but the way it works is that once you have installed a bpo version, 'apt upgrade' will then prefer the bpo version, and install updates from bpo. The stable version of the package will then not be considered "newer".
02:40<StarOnD>aidalgol, thank you
02:40<aidalgol>But if you have not installed a version of the package from bpo, then it considers new stable versions to be newer.
02:41<aidalgol>I vaguely recall reading that it's some magic with the way the tilde in the version is treated.
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02:41<xlirate>If you want to /exclude/ a repo, I think you can just comment out the repo and see what breaks. I think there is also a more sophisticated way per package, but I have never gotten into it so I can't help you
02:41<StarOnD>xlirate: many thanks
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02:41<StarOnD>aidalgol, many thanks.
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02:46<somiaj>xlirate: backports repos are pinned lower than stable (for good reasons). As such backport versions are not installed or upgraded to without explicity asking apt to do with with -t buster-backports
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02:47<StarOnD>somiaj, thank you for that tip.
02:47<somiaj>now once you install something from backports, apt will keep it upgraded with apt upgrade
02:47<xlirate>ah, thank you somiaj. Can you send me to a good manpage to read up on how that actually works? I don't want to be giving bad advice again
02:47<somiaj>but it will not just blindly upgrade your system to backports versions (These are less tested)
02:48<somiaj>xlirate: you can look up apt pinning if you want, basically backports are pinned at 100, main repos at 500
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02:48<somiaj>the -t option causes the pinning to temporally jupm to 990
02:48<xlirate>so, it only grabs from backports if it needs them to resolve something
02:48<somiaj>no, it will never grab from backports unless you ask it to
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02:48<somiaj>example, apt -t buster-backports install foo
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02:48<somiaj>and never (I repate NEVER) use that option with upgrade
02:49<xlirate>That sounds like the sort of lesson one learns from experience
02:49<somiaj>Unforutnally pinning has some issues, so there are some oddities you may run across due to this.
02:49<somiaj>My advice, is if a package has both a stable version and a backport version, always install the stable version first
02:49<xlirate>I recall using dist-upgrade to resolve the perl version bump on my sid system, and lost xserver
02:50<somiaj>then install the backport version second
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02:50<somiaj>(the install will upgrade you to the backport version)
02:50<somiaj>xlirate: well sid is a different beast alltogether.
02:50<somiaj>sid often has broken depends which can remove things you don't want if you aren't careful with dist-upgrade
02:51<xlirate>yes, yes it is. My servers all run stable and I came in here with a question about a server's config, but I daily drive sid
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02:51<xlirate>I know to ask my sid questions in #debian-next
02:51<somiaj>yea, that is also why we have #debian-next, a lot of the advice we give here (and prefer is given) may not be fully applicable to sid users
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02:52<somiaj>StarOnD: as for the ~ version in backports, that is only to allow a smooth upgrade to the next stable release (when it comes out) which is where the backport packages come from.
02:52<somiaj>This will be applicable to users upgrading to bullseye currently using backports in buster
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02:57<StarOnD>somiaj, thank you again.
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05:02<WFC>What is the name of the package that correspond to php extensions pdo* ?
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05:04<sijvianja>Hey I am trying to build btrfs-progs from source as an issue I am having which basically breaks btrfs restore for me has been fixed fairly recently, and after I ./autogen.sh and then ./configure I get the error at the end of the ./config message stating configure: error: linux/blkzoned.h does not provide blk_zone.capacity this does not happen on my gentoo machine does anyone know what this issue could be?
05:05<sijvianja>Using Debian 10 Buster also.
05:06<ratrace>WFC: individual database packages bring in the corresponding pdo modules. eg, php7.3-pgsql carries the Postgres PDO modules. otherwise, PDO basefiles are part of main packages
05:07<ratrace>I mean, iirc PDO itself is no longer an extension
05:07<ratrace>sijvianja: if nobody responds, there's also #btrfs on Libera.chat
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05:13<WFC>ratrace tks
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05:27<lonewolfy>Hello, I'm trying to make a bootable zfs debian system , I create the grub-install to /dev/sda correctly but the system stops at initramfs. any sugestions?
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05:34<hegemoOn>is it normal that network doesnt start on a debian desktop without starting Graphical layer ?
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05:34<sijvianja>ratrace: I believe it is a debian issue/kernel issue because it does not happen on my gentoo system and I need it on my debian system
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05:38<ratrace>lonewolfy: you'll have to be more verbose than that, perhaps with a paste(bin) of what you're doing and what you're getting.
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05:38<ratrace>hegemoOn: yes if NetworkManager, which is typically started by DEs, doesn't run and it's NM that manages the NIC in question. wifi most likely?
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05:39<ratrace>sijvianja: so two questions: 1) why are you compiling from source, 2) are you using the debsrc? which is already set up to build so you only patch what you wanna patch and rebuild the deb
05:39<ratrace>lonewolfy: also note the official docs and steps for rootfs on zfs: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20Buster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html (sans encryption)
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05:41<sijvianja>ratrace: I am building it from source due to the fact that btrfs-progs fixed the issue if it tries 1000 times to recover a file and fails it will just skip the file and that was fixed 18 days ago hence not being in the official repos and I have no idea what debsrc is so no I am build straight from the git repo
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05:43<ratrace>sijvianja: so is it a .patch you can apply to existing debsrc?
05:43<ratrace>,v btrfs-progs
05:43<judd>Package: btrfs-progs on amd64 -- stretch: 4.7.3-1; stretch-backports: 4.20.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.20.1-2; buster-backports: 5.10.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.1-2; sid: 5.10.1-2; experimental: 5.12.1-1
05:44<ratrace>sijvianja: is it part of backported btrfs-progs already?
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05:46<lonewolfy>ratrace: I'm doing a PoC for a openindiana to debian migration. In order to recover the current pool and use the current disks in the rpool for debian with zfs. Basically I built a live enviroment from this I loaded zfs by default and other tools. Booted the system did an rsync to the rpool disks and after that tryed to make the system bootable using grub-install . For the zfs to work with the
05:46<lonewolfy>openindiana version I needed to build the live system with Debian bulleye zfs version.
05:48<ratrace>lonewolfy: good info, but I was really aiming at a pastebin of what you're doing and what the output of that is
05:48<sijvianja>ratrace: I don't know probably not it is a basically brand new commit being comitted less than two weeks ago and I don't know where the hell .patch would be I'm used to just cloning from the repo configing it and make clean install'ing it
05:49<ratrace>sijvianja: the commit itself from github can be obtained in .patch format. might require massaging to merge the hunk cleanly
05:49<ratrace>best case scenario: fix line offsets. worst case, adjust patch for merge conflict with different code structure
05:50<ratrace>(actually bestest best is no merge conflict and hunk applies cleanly, so I was referring to best case in case it doesn't)
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05:51<ratrace>sijvianja: more info on how to bake the deb, here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html#quiltrc
05:51<sijvianja>bruh I don't think this will help at all
05:52<sijvianja>This will do absolutely nothing to resolve my issue
05:52<sijvianja>It's just repacking the program
05:52<ratrace>which is the correct way to add patches
05:53<ratrace>debian is quite different from gentoo and other rolling relase distros. software is frozen at release time and fixes are backported. if you're trying to shove a fresh new package into that environment, you'd have conflicts to resolve, and it might be easier to just backport the fix.
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05:54<ratrace>so you have three options, in order of preference: 1) see if buster-backports carries the fix, 2) see if sid or experimental repo versions carry the fix and try to !ssb those or (I did not say this!) install directly from sid/experimental, 3) backport the patch, 4) build manually, don't go throgh deb (this is teh worst you can do and you might break your debian)
05:54<ratrace>*four options lol
05:54<sijvianja>yeah but it wont the issue with configuring though
05:55<sijvianja>I'd rather just build from source
05:55<sijvianja>The issue is this configure: error: linux/blkzoned.h does not provide blk_zone.capacity
05:55<ratrace>you won't even have the confiugring issue, that's my point, if you backport the patch to existing packaging
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05:56<sijvianja>eh fuck it I'll just use my gentoo machine
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05:57<ratrace>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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06:19<lonewolfy>ratrace: https://paste.debian.net/1202798/
06:19<lonewolfy>related to the zfs issue and debian live boot
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06:43<ratrace>lonewolfy: did that installation script actually compelte without a single error? because I don't think so, and you have exit and reboot, so you might not even be aware of that
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06:45<ratrace>also I'm not really sure what you're doing there with squashfs and xorriso, but as far as lines 31+ are concerned, you're missing update-grub step to actually build the grub.cfg and those mount -o <mission options> invocations don't seem like something that would've completed
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06:45<ratrace>another thing, so that's openindiana's zfs pool which you're trying to import directly into ZoL? can you import it manually, does it complain about features?
06:46<ratrace>lonewolfy: and yeah, grub installation and update _must_ be done from inside the chroot, or otherwise it'll misconfigure stage1
06:46<lonewolfy>currently I have already overwritten the openindiana rpool
06:47<lonewolfy>but it does import the storage pool without issues
06:47<lonewolfy>and the new rpool of debian is also imported without issues from the live cd
06:47<lonewolfy>ratrace: I think I'm missing the update-grub :\
06:47<ratrace>lonewolfy: manually. but what about from that script
06:47<ratrace>you have moount -o with no options given to that -o
06:48<lonewolfy>I believe I did it in the build of chroot before doing the live cd with xorisso
06:48<ratrace>you need somethig like mount -R /dev /rpool/dev , and similar for sys, and you don't need to bind proc, you can create a fresh new -t proc proc
06:48<ratrace>you definitely do need to grub-install and update-grub from _within_ the chroot
06:48<lonewolfy>ratrace: that was my mistake in the write , I did do -o bind
06:49<ratrace>the script presented in the paste does not do that from inside chroot. command on line 36 starts a subshell, so lines 37+ are not exec'd in the context of that chroot
06:49<lonewolfy>ratrace: will try with the update-grub
06:49<lonewolfy>thank you
06:49<ratrace>lonewolfy: you need rbind due to submounts in sys and dev
06:49<ratrace>or maybe you don't for grub ops alone
06:50<ratrace>however if you do rbind (for "just in case"), run unshare -m before first bind mount. that starts a subshell so you don't umount after you're done, just exit (double exit, one from chroot, one from namespace)
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06:52<ratrace>lonewolfy: also..... you debootstrap'ed a minimal systemn. that is not gonna boot unless you already have all the packages installed . so it's not clear from teh paste what's teh relation between the debootstrap and the chroot
06:53<ratrace>or what I mean is ... unless that zpool already has packages installed, but then the debootstrap's function is not clear. if you're running debootstrap onto otehrwise empty root pool, you _need_ to set up a few things before reboot
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08:08<localhorst>Why is 'linux-image-amd64' always being kept back? Can I do something so it's being updated by 'apt-get update' without issuing any additional commands or command options?
08:09<ratrace>!bat
08:09<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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08:13<vv221[BI]>localhorst, if you are using `apt-get upgrade` you should give a try to `apt upgrade` instead. This last one uses more user-friendly defaults.
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08:14<vv221[BI]>If you want to stay with apt-get, have a look at APT::Get::Upgrade-Allow-New configuration option.
08:15<vv221[BI]>(cf. man 8 apt-get)
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08:16<localhorst>Tank you. Is there a current recommendation what tool to use? It changed in the past between apt-get, aptitude and apt. Last I've checked apt-get was recommended.
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08:17<vv221[BI]>apt is recommended for user interactions, apt-get/apt-cache for scripts.
08:17<ratrace>generally, apt-get for scripting and apt for interactive use. but you can really use whatever you want
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08:23<localhorst>Doesn't look special to me 1. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/061bb152 2. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/e94bf59c 3. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/fa2a9c76
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08:24<ratrace>,v linux-image-amd64
08:24<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u12; buster-backports: 5.10.40-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.40-1; sid: 5.10.46-1
08:24<localhorst>That's the output after manually upgrade the package. The behaviour is identical on other installations too so it seems like the default not to install an upgraded kernel.
08:25<ratrace>localhorst: for apt-get you need dist-upgrade. run `apt upgrade` and see if it's still kept back
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08:26<ratrace>localhorst: yes, apt-get upgrade, unlike dist-upgrade, won't result with transactions that cause deinstallation (versioned kernel package names, as pulled in by the linux-image-amd64 metapackage)
08:26<ratrace>`apt upgrade` in turn does to full upgrade transaction, removal included
08:27<vv221[BI]>`apt upgrade` is equivalent to `apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs`, allowing the installation of new packages to satisfy dependencies.
08:27<vv221[BI]>ratrace, `apt upgrade` does not allow removals, only installation of extra package ;)
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08:28<vv221[BI]>That's what makes it a safe default.
08:28<ratrace>except it removes obsoleted, versioned kernel pacakges. but okay, it's about installation of _new_ rather than removal
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08:32<apteryx>themill: OK, thanks for the info
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08:45<juju>hi everyone , all good and safe ?
08:47<juju>guys , thanks a mill for the helo to this newbie here the other night... really appreciated it. sorry not sure how to get back to what the nicks was that helped me but it was quite a few.
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08:48<juju>anyway, so ater struggling with buster and the dell 5420 vga display etc and on the brink of giving up with DEB.. :-) , I decided to try bullseye and display is working fine thanks again.
08:50<juju>So now i have bullseye on the dell machine and i am not sure how to get network cable, ethernet to actually work so i can connect to internet.
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08:51<juju>any ideas or nice tutorials ? the ones I have found so far is a it advaanced for me to understand.
08:51<quadrat>it's probably better to ask in #debian-next as bullseye is still not released
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08:51<juju>tahks Quadrat
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09:40<sychill>i wouldn't expect a how-to on ethernet to change much from one release to another
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11:51<silver>ip help show
11:52<silver>opps wrong options
11:53<silver>ip help link
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11:53<silver>man ip
11:53<silver>sychill, https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/iproute2/ip.8.en.html
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11:55<silver>sychill, are you having a specific issue with drivers or only the configuration?
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12:28<bahamat>What's the equivalent `tail -f /var/log/auth.log` with journalctl?
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12:31<sychill>silver: it was juju that needed that info. I was merely pointing out that his question was not really Bullseye-specific
12:31<sychill>if OFTC has a memoserv, you might send juju a memo since he left
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12:41<imMute>bahamat: journalctl -f will tail everything, if you want to filter down more, you can, depending on what you're looking for.
12:42<imMute>bahamat: perhaps something like '-u sshd.service' to see just stuff from sshd.
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12:42<bahamat>imMute: I don't want everything, I want specifically auth messages.
12:42<bahamat>And not just ssh. All auth messages.
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12:44<imMute>bahamat: I think 'journalctl -f SYSLOG_FACILITY=4' would be the closest match. that will print messages with the syslog facility set to 4 (auth)
12:44<bremner>ugh, numbers
12:44<imMute>yeah that was slightly annoying to find out.
12:45<bremner>also, Gcr can die in fire. what is that thing even doing on my computer
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12:46<imMute>probably brought in by the GNOME desktop if I had to guess based on the package name.
12:46<bremner>fair guess, except I'm not running gnome
12:47<imMute>gnome-keyring and pinentry-gnome3 depend on it, so those seem likely
12:47<bremner>apparently I am using pinentry-gnome3
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12:47<bremner>ISTR it is slightly less bad than pintentry-gtk, but the details escape me
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12:59<bahamat>imMute: Yeah, that's what I'm after. Thanks.
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13:42<sirmanuel>Good afternoon dears!, Who can help me with these issues?
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13:42<bremner>which issues?
13:43<sirmanuel>1) When I send clementine to background and caal back, the Clementine interface just shows blue, it shows nothing
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13:44<sirmanuel>2) My integrate webcam is not working
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13:45<bremner>have yoou identified the webcam hardware yet?
13:45<bremner>e.g. by running "lsusb" and looking at the output?
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13:46<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/46m1
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13:47<sirmanuel>done*
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13:50<bremner>hmm. I guess that chicony device might be it.
13:50<sirmanuel>probably, I donot know in fact
13:51<bremner>various web pages tell me it's an "internet phone", does that make sense to you?
13:51<sirmanuel>It doesn't
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13:52<sirmanuel>let me tray again, I going to desconect other usb
13:53<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/t5tx
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13:54<sirmanuel>this time only mouse was connected
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14:00<bremner>I could not find much out, but that id is mentioned in the web site of webcamoid, so you could try that software
14:00<bremner>it's a bit a of long shot, I have to admit
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14:01<sney>also check if there's a function key to enable the webcam
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14:01<sirmanuel>let me check
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14:02<sirmanuel>I do not see any key for cam, the cam says VivoCam 1.3Mpx
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14:12<sney>sirmanuel: do not private message people without asking
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14:13<sney>if there's no function key, then that's the answer to the question, I don't have anything else
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14:13<sirmanuel>sorry due, I did not know that option was for pm
14:13<sirmanuel>how can I mentiont someone without be rude?
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14:14<sney>the same way I just did, say their nickname at the beginning of the line
14:14<sirmanuel>sney test
14:14<sney>yes like that.
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14:16<sirmanuel>mmm I thought that there was an option to mention so that stand out
14:16<sirmanuel>well, thank you friend
14:17<sirmanuel>I have other issue with Clementine
14:17<sney>"mentions" are a social media/newer hosted chat platform thing. IRC is from the 1980s. :)
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14:22<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/tem8
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14:23<sirmanuel>I used this sudo dmesg | grep -i video
14:23<sney>ok, that is the chicony device from your earlier lsusb.
14:24<sirmanuel>you right, it's the same ID
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14:26<sychill>sirmanuel> mmm I thought that there was an option to mention so that stand out <= it generally does stand out for the recipient. A good IRC client will highlight messages that mention your nick
14:26<maher_>sirmanuel: does v4ls see it? v4l2-ctl --all
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14:26<sney>there are some tips here that might be useful, https://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/faq/
14:27<sirmanuel>sychill I got it due, Thankyou for that
14:28<sirmanuel>maher it says command not foun
14:29<maher_>sirmanuel: its in v4l-utils
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14:31<sirmanuel>maher_ https://termbin.com/t0fdx
14:31<maher_>sirmanuel: anyway, I think the short answer is that it doesn't work, what kernel are you using?
14:32<sirmanuel>maher_ Linux 4.19.0-17-amd64 x86_64
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14:34<maher_>is this a built in webcam in a laptop?
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14:37<sirmanuel>maer_ yes
14:37<sirmanuel>maher_ yes
14:37<maher_>sirmanuel: which laptop
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14:39<sirmanuel>Siragon mn-50
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14:44<maher_>the kernel doesn't like it, not sure what you can try apart from a newer kernel...
14:44<maher_>sirmanuel: the kernel doesn't like it, not sure what you can try apart from a newer kernel...
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14:45<sirmanuel>sney I followed you recommendation, It's a UCV cam, when tryed tu use the test aplicattions that mentioned there, the first one open and when I run the fisrt test it shows me a green screen, close the app and reopen and it doesn't work like the last time. Itryed the second app and says me something like it could find the device so I continued with the process and put this in terminal sudo echo 0xffff > /sys/module/uvcvideo/parameters/trace but
14:45<sirmanuel>shows me this bash: /sys/module/uvcvideo/parameters/trace: Permiso denegado
14:45<tizef-bigof>ping
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14:47<sirmanuel>maher_ ok thank you for your support due
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14:47<tizef-bigof>guys, how are you? what happens to me, when ever I install a net-install /home/user and /root are empty
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14:48<tizef-bigof>no more /Documents /Download /Video........
14:49<tizef-bigof>i did install and install again, cleaned disk with Gparted, installed Manjaro and again net-install..... no way
14:49<tizef-bigof>i have never seen that before
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14:50<quadrat>did you install a desktop environment?
14:50<tizef-bigof>no
14:50<quadrat>that's the reason then
14:50<tizef-bigof>are you sure
14:51<quadrat>yes, some xdg package creates those directories
14:51<tizef-bigof>I have always did that and it never happened before
14:51<tizef-bigof>oh
14:51<tizef-bigof>I see
14:51<tizef-bigof>like Openbox?
14:52<maher_>tizef-bigof: net-install gives you something very basic (not even rsync!), unless you install some extra stuff...
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14:52<tizef-bigof>today I have done Xorg+i3 and empty /user and /root
14:52<tizef-bigof>I see
14:52<quadrat>tizef-bigof the package is called xdg-user-dirs
14:53<tizef-bigof>well I not it then
14:53<tizef-bigof>thank you guys
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14:54<tizef-bigof>well I *note* it
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15:13<sirmanuel>I followed these steps https://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/faq/#faq1. can someone help me to identify what is the email to send the information to linux-uvc-devel ? I didn't get it, it's mentioned on step number 6 in What do you need to troubleshoot it? section
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15:29<prime>hello
15:29<prime>hello
15:29<sney>hi
15:30<petn-randall>hello prime
15:30<prime>how r u all
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15:30<petn-randall>prime: Doing fine. So, what brings you here?
15:30<sney>sirmanuel: linux-uvc-devel is a mailing list, you can find it with a web search
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15:31<prime>how is going on there guys
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15:31<sney>!chat
15:31<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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15:32<prime>sney and petn-randall u guys hereing me
15:32<sney>prime: yes, can you see our responses?
15:33<prime>yes of course
15:33<petn-randall>prime: Yes, we can read you. Note that this is a channel dedicated to Debian support. If you want to just chat, there's #moocows or #debian-offtopic.
15:33<sney>prime: and can you see the message from dpkg too?
15:34<prime>sure
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15:50<prime>ok bye all
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16:54<Ares>Hi boys, how can I host my own apt repository making my own private software packages offline? I am testing some code and stuff.
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16:55<sney>dpkg: reprepro
16:55<dpkg>reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>.
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16:56<sney>there is also some general information at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup
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16:59<Ares>thank you!
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17:01<Ares>what programming language is the most used in Debian OS? Where should I start learning and latter getting a job?
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17:35<jhutchins>Ares: C and variants, I think mostly C+
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17:35<mentor>Ares: C but I wouldn't suggest that going forward
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17:36<jhutchins>mentor: What do you predict will derail 40 years of momentum?
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17:37<sney>C does seem to be losing momentum in client/frontend software.
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17:38<sney>I doubt it'll go anywhere for system libraries, kernel stuff, and so on though
17:38<mentor>jhutchins: I suspect python would be a more useful thing to start with in a non-specific field.
17:38<jhutchins>Yeah, we're not exactly going to get a bootloader written in PHP.
17:38<r4fkramer>Hello everybody. I recently explained to a friend who is new to Debian the procedure for installing apache 'netbeans' via snap store. Installation completed successfully, as far as it seems. However, I was asked about drivers and firmware for this application.
17:38<r4fkramer>My question is: please are there specific drivers and firmwares for this application available in the debian buster repository ?
17:38<sney>python is absolutely a better place to start, and a few people in here have told Ares that already. a little repetition can't hurt, though. ;)
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17:41<Ares>thank you!
17:41<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: It seems strange that installing an IDE be in any way related to drivers and firmware. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
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17:43<r4fkramer>Thanks for answering, Linux-Fan. This was the question asked. If it doesn't make much sense for the case of an IDE installation, I'll report it to Him.
17:43<jhutchins>r4fkramer: Drivers and firmware should be handled by the OS, not by applications.
17:44<Ares>I guess that specific snap app is broken
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17:44<r4fkramer>I see jhutchins, that's why he should've chosen any of these .iso images for this purpose: https://paste.debian.net/1202861/
17:45<r4fkramer>Please, jhutchins: correct or not ?
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17:46<jhutchins>r4fkramer: I don't have any specific knowledge. Installing things with snap is not Debian.
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17:46<jhutchins>!netbeans
17:46<dpkg>NetBeans is an open source, cross-platform Integrated Development Environment (IDE) written in <Java>. Not part of the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release due to bug #506294. http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansUserFAQ http://www.netbeans.org/ #netbeans on irc.freenode.net.
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17:47<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: Most of the time when firmware is requested it is unrelated to the software you are installing but dependent on the hardware. Hence, firmware is a separate issue. As long as you are not missing any functionality or security fixes (think microcode updates) you might as well do without installing additional firmware.
17:48<r4fkramer>Fine, jhutchins, in fact, I realized it'not the default installation.
17:50<r4fkramer>I see, Linux-Fan. So, in this case, the nature of the problem was misunderstood then.
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17:51<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: Yes, I would think so :)
17:52<r4fkramer>Fine, Linux-Fan, thank you for information and Support provided :)
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17:52<r4fkramer>jhutchins, thank you for information provided and Support too :)
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17:52<Linux-Fan>r4fkramer: You're welcome
17:52<IPFreely>hi
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18:48<Sqrt{not}>!netbeans
18:48<dpkg>NetBeans is an open source, cross-platform Integrated Development Environment (IDE) written in <Java>. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/netbeans http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansUserFAQ http://www.netbeans.org/ #netbeans on irc.libera.chat.
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18:52<m0th3rsup3r10r>hi how can i fix gpg error?
18:52<sney>please describe the whole problem
18:53<m0th3rsup3r10r>https://paste.debian.net/1202866/
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18:53<sney>either your system clock is wrong, or torproject.org needs to fix their repo signatures
18:55<m0th3rsup3r10r>Tue 29 Jun 2021 06:54:57 PM EDT does this look correct for system time a few seconds ago?
18:55<sney>close enough, it's the repo's problem
18:55<jhutchins>m0th3rsup3r10r: Yep.
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18:56<jhutchins>,v netbeans
18:56<m0th3rsup3r10r>so you report to them . . . repo signatures are bad?
18:56<judd>Package: netbeans on amd64 -- stretch: 8.1+dfsg3-2
18:56<sney>m0th3rsup3r10r: honestly, they probably already know, just try again in a few hours or tomorrow
18:56<jhutchins>,why is netbeans not in buster
18:56<judd>No package named 'is' was found in buster/amd64.
18:57<sney>regardless 3rd party repos are not supported here, maybe ask in #tor
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18:57<sney>,bug rm netbeans
18:57<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/972172 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: netbeans -- NBS; no longer viable to maintain in Debian»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-10-13; last modified: 2020-11-19.
18:58<jhutchins>Well, that's a real nothingburger.
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19:01<m0th3rsup3r10r>sney, they didnt seem to know when i just asked them to check, let's see
19:02<Sqrt{not}>reading through that netbeans bug, it looks like they are trying to support it, but SNAFU
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19:07<m0th3rsup3r10r>sney, if interested i had to solve it by doing step 3 and 4 here https://support.torproject.org/apt/tor-deb-repo/
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19:08<sney>haha, I was assuming you had already followed all the instructions
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19:08<m0th3rsup3r10r>sney, i did but the intructions didnt say to force package maintainer's version
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19:09<m0th3rsup3r10r>doing that solved
19:09<sney>great, congrats
19:09<m0th3rsup3r10r>yea me
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19:32<sirmanuel>HEllo friends, anyone knows why clementine does not show the music?
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19:38<Delta-One>sirmanuel: Have you added the folder containing your music to the library ?
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19:39<sussudio>!folder
19:39<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
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19:42*Sqrt{not} remembers hollerith cards marked "DO NOT FOLD, BEND, SPINDLE, OR MUTILATE!"
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19:46<Tenacious-Techhunter>Hello.
19:47<Tenacious-Techhunter>Is this in a repository I can add to apt-get, or do I absolutely have to download the file separately and direct apt or some other tool to the file?
19:47<Tenacious-Techhunter>https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-iwlwifi
19:48<sney>!non-free
19:48<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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19:48<sney>!non-free sources
19:48<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
19:48<sney>Tenacious-Techhunter: ^ do this, it's a package in non-free
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19:48<Tenacious-Techhunter>I figured it could be added, thank you. :)
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19:49<sney>np
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19:50<abrotman>I mean, you can just download that single package and install it .. though you'd lack updates, etc
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19:54<Tenacious-Techhunter>Yup.
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20:17<Tenacious-Techhunter>Which package do I need for Debian Buster LXQT's WiFi GUI?
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20:19<sney>that's probably connman
20:19<dvs>nice name
20:19<sney>,i connman-gtk
20:20<judd>Package connman-gtk (net, optional) in buster/amd64: fully-featured GUI for ConnMan with systray support. Version: 1.1.1+git20180626.b72c6ab-1; Size: 51.6k; Installed: 202k; Homepage: https://github.com/jgke/connman-gtk; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/connman-gtk
20:20<Tenacious-Techhunter>O.K., my bad; I saw it, but didn't recognize it as a WiFi thing.
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20:27<Tenacious-Techhunter>On a completely unrelated note, did you guys know that the Rocket City Trash Pandas sponsored a Supersonic Baseball Cannon?
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20:30<Unit193>LXQt is Qt, so likely cmst.
20:34<sney>aha, great consistent naming there
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20:38<Unit193>sney: I mean LXQt didn't make it, not everything GTK based has 'gtk' in the name. Makes sense to me. :3
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20:41<sney>the other connman related packages are all connman-* is all
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20:51<Unit193>Ah, that aspect. Sorry, yeah OK.
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23:19<xSnowdropx>Hi, I need urgent help - I am using Bullseye w/ KDE Plasma. After last reboot, WiFi (RTL8821CE) stopped working. It can see my network, but when I try to connect, it tries for about a minute and then fails saying "No secrets were provided". I have tried purging and reinstalling firmware-realtek, but that did not fix the issue.
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23:49<sychill>xSnowdropx: you could try switch from network-manager or whatever kde uses to wpasupplicant. But that's also kind of a nuclear option if you're not familiar with wpasupplicant
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23:49<xSnowdropx>doesn't network-manager use wpasupplicant... idk how to use it without NM
23:49<sychill>there's also a lighter weight more versatile gui option but i forgot what it was
23:50<sychill>no, wpasupplicant is different.. it's its own beast
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23:51<sychill>you would add a stanza to /etc/network/interfaces for your wifi card, which you probably don't have now
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