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---Logopened Thu Jul 01 00:00:51 2021
00:01<RoadRunner>Sqrt{not}: do you think I will be able to try a live disk with just my 512MB of RAM?
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00:07<Sqrt{not}>RoadRunner, you could probably run the "standard" live image, but for one of the DE versions, you probably need to have swap, and manually enable it.
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00:21<Sqrt{not}>RoadRunner, also, if you install debian 10 buster on your Pentium, the LTS will come automatically from the normal apt update / apt upgrade process, just using the buster repositories
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00:30<RoadRunner>thank you for all the help everyone :)
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00:31<Sqrt{not}>For all consider installing, the install guide is very helpful: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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00:39<apteryx>investigating; the problem is that the hicolor-icon-theme file trigger is not triggered upon installing; can be worked around by 'sudo gtk-update-icon-cache --force /usr/share/icons/hicolor'. Now trying to understand why dpkg won't trigger that on a file installed to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/jami.png
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00:51<jm_>which package includes jami.png? couldn't find it on p.d.o
00:58<apteryx>I'm not sure 'jami-qt' has hit Debian packaging yet, it's quite fresh. You can find a sample .deb here: https://dl.jami.net/manual-nightly/debian_10/.
01:00<apteryx>the above package *does* trigger the hicolor-icon-theme file trigger. I'm working on an experimental, Guix-produced jami-qt .deb package which does *not*, for reasons I'm trying to uncover. Sample from my gdrive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16xAtuh0Yri7WAERDjsUBc-GkRtDAfIRL/view?usp=sharing.
01:03<apteryx>interestingly the hicolor-icon-theme file trigger runs upon uninstalling the package, just not when installing it.
01:04<jm_>sounds off-topic for #debian, but I would start by unpacking both debs and comparing files in debian dir
01:06<apteryx>the reason I'm discussing this here is because I'm trying to understand why dpkg won't run the its hicolor-icon-theme trigger although the package installs two icons under /usr/share/icons/hicolor (as /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/jami.png and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/jami.svg).
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01:16<jm_>does dpkg even have a trigger for that already? https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers implies it doesn't
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01:28<apteryx>that page is not up to date. You can 'grep hicolor-icon-theme /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File' to see it exists.
01:28<apteryx>It's provided by the 'hicolor-icon-theme' package.
01:30<jm_>indeed, then try using dpkg -D... to see what is going on, -Dhelp will list values to specify
01:31<jm_>also if it's about packaging, #debian-mentors might be a better place
01:32<apteryx>the debug switch of dpkg seems useful. I'll experiment with it. I've tried the #packaging channel before but it's usually very quiet. Thanks for suggesting.
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03:23<filePeter>When setting limits in /etc/security/limits.conf, how do I interprete the item “cpu”. The manpage says it’s measured in minutes. But what does that mean? Minutes per month? per day? per century?
03:26<rudi_s>filePeter: It's the CPU time. So time a process was actively running on processor. So it's a total maximum value.
03:26<filePeter>rudi_s: Thank you. Is it possible to set this to a minutes per day?
03:26<filePeter>e.g. reset the value from time to time?
03:27<rudi_s>filePeter: No, not via limits.conf. AFAIK systemd can do similar things per unit/service.
03:27<filePeter>rudi_s: Thanks, that may be what I searched for. Thank you.
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03:30<rudi_s>filePeter: np, man systemd.resource-control seems to be the relevant man page
03:30<filePeter>great!
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04:20<kwami>Hi guys, what's the reason for excessive hdd activity in Bullseye
04:21<enyc>kwami: in what context? new bullseye test install, no packages added?
04:24<ratrace>install iotop and observe which process is generating the io
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04:25<kwami>enyc: With several packages installed. Every time I turn my machine on It remains almost 10 minutes with huge hdd activity and becomes very slow trying to open any program
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04:28<enyc>kwami: I can only say bullseye can/does work fine and not do that to me
04:28<kwami>ratrace: the iostat -dx command show hi numbers on %util:98,88 and %wrqm:72,73
04:28<ratrace>kwami: use iotop to find which _process_ does the io
04:29<enyc>kwami: +1 to see expicit HDD i/o.... I'm used to checking "top" and press "M" (sort by ram usage) -- is something eating RAM that way....?
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04:29<enyc>runaway program ram swapping can do similar i/o hell
04:29<enyc>ratrace: how does iotop represent i/o clog due to swapping due to RAM-hog program?
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04:30<ratrace>by showing IO activing on the kernel swapper thread
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04:31<ratrace>*activity
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04:32<ratrace>but swapstorms are visible in vmstat si/so columns much better than iotop.
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04:34<kwami>The IO% is showing higher lever on command named "tracker-extract [single]" - No idea of what it could be!!
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04:35<enyc>"metadata database, indexer and search tool - metadata extractors"
04:35<ratrace>"gnome shit"
04:36<enyc>kwami: ok so looks like you have "tracker" package install and its' building/updating its' indexes looking through all your fules
04:36<enyc>files
04:36<kwami>it is consuming 93/98% of the IO
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04:37<jm_>try checking if you can disable/adjust it somewhere in settings
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04:38<ratrace>you can check the on-disk binary used for the process via `file /proc/<pid>/exe` where <pid> is the PID in question, then use apt-file on that path to find the package responsible
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04:39<ratrace>if that IS the gnome indexer/tracker, iirc you can apt remove it for no loss of useful functionality, or disable it in the main gnome settings panel somewhere. I remember there was something about "indexing" there
04:40<kwami>Need to solve it, the machine is up 24 minutes already and the hdd activity still intense!!
04:40<kwami>ratrace: I'll do so
04:41<jm_>I bet developer of that thing all use SSD-s :)
04:41<ratrace>just be careful if you decide to apt remove anything, make sure you understand what is being removed and what is being pulled down along due to dependencies
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04:43<kwami>Here is the assassin: "org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Extract"
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04:54<ratrace>kwami: google found this: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/07/how-to-completely-disable-tracker.html
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04:58<kwami>ratrace: Iam now studying deeply this package to know exacly how it works to decide what iam going to do
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05:04<kwami>Its weird. After all this time the tracker status command shows no indexed files, no indexed folders. So what helped so much time in activity?
05:04<kwami>I'll disable this service!!
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05:27<kwami>Solved. Now my Bullseye is running (flying) as a leaf. Thanx guys!
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06:06<grummund>Why would running firefox remotely via ssh -X hog cpu on the *local* machine?
06:06<grummund>... while other X apps behave ok.
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06:08<ratrace>because there's no hw acceleration, would be my WAG
06:10<socrates>try x2go for X forwarding, they have nice optimizations
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06:12<grummund>it doesn't actually *need* to go over ssh but fiddling with xhost and $DISPLAY failed outright.
06:13<ratrace>grummund: so wait, that's local to the machine? a container perhaps?
06:13<grummund>the local machine is a debian box (where i want firefox to display).
06:14<ratrace>that's not really what I asked. you said it didn't go over ssh, and then you said fiddling with xhost and $DISPLAY failed. the two are orthogonal. so can you describe your exact setup please?
06:14<ratrace>didn't *need to go over ssh
06:14<grummund>the remote machine (where i want firefox to run) is a ubuntu VM running elsewhere, but on the same network.
06:15<ratrace>ah, ok. then definitely try x2go as recommended. performance over ssh, even if you rebuild it with null cipher, is gonna be terrible for anything like playing youtube videos, and forget games or other high-framerate programs
06:15<grummund>i mean typically you would want to use ssh if security was an issue, but both boxes are on a local (secure) network.
06:16<ratrace>well, recommendation these days is to treat LAN as hostile, but I suppose that doesn't matter in your case
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06:17<Guest1129>what programs runs exe files on whonix
06:17<ratrace>!whonix
06:17<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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06:18<ratrace>but if I were to guess based on your very limited datset, I'd put a wager on WINE or Proton.
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06:23<socrates>Ok I've come here to IRC due to, kernel problems, I'm not sure if this is right place. I've ran Debian buster for maybe a year no crash now but it's crashed twice now. But I'm not sure where the problem is, I suspect something to do with google-chrome or gnome-keyring? linux-image-amd64 is recent 4.19+105+deb10u8, a little behind 4.19+105+deb10u12, so I should update that. Here is kern.log: http://paste.debian.net/1203002/ and
06:23<socrates>some kernel messages that appeared on console: http://paste.debian.net/1203001/
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06:25<socrates>"unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008" is all that sticks out at me. I'm not well versed in reading these things.
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06:26<ratrace>socrates: methinks your RAM chips are failing. you can install memtest86, in sets up a grub menu entry, reboot and run memtest option from grub menu, leave it for a day or so
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06:27<ratrace>*it sets up
06:28<socrates>ok thank you for the advice I'll try that
06:29<ratrace>mind you, could also be PSU that triggers secondary issues in memory chips or general cpu instability
06:31<ratrace>(also, no need to leave memtest for a whole day if it immediately finds issues. the idea is that if it _doesn't_, let it be thorough with a day long test because some issues are harder to reproduce)
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06:32<socrates>Yes, I've not made many software changes recently, so it definitely could be PSU or memory. ~12 year old computer. Seemed to... crash the second time promptly after launching chrome so I've been running other things with no problems so far. Bummer.
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06:33<ratrace>according the the kernel stack tracess, and where they ocurr, that's most likely either failing RAM chip or PSU induced failing RAM
06:33<ratrace>few weeks ago I had my PSU fail after 6 years. thankfully it failed visibly, loudly and unambiguously.
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06:53<ratrace>10
06:53<ratrace>whoops
06:55<quadrat>i vote for 20 :)
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06:56<user_>HI
06:56<user_>*Hi
06:56<quadrat>hi
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06:57<user_>Im first time on irc :)
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06:57<Hello_World>Hello.
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07:02<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
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09:24<wyre>hi guys, why there is not the chrome driver on buster? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/chromedriver
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09:27<petn-randall>wyre: It likely got removed during the development cycle of buster due to RC bugs.
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09:29<wyre>petn-randall, do you know if is the chromium-driver used in the same way?
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09:37<petn-randall>wyre: I guess one drives chrome, the other drives chromium. They're slightly different browsers, though not by much.
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09:44<Guest1173>hey
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09:49<sychill>where are the man pages stored? I looked in /var/lib/mandb and in /var/cache/man
09:50<imMute>sychill: /usr/share/man/
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09:51<sychill>thanks
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10:30<socrates>ratrace: You were 100% right. I ran memtest86, it does appear to be a failing chip on a stick of ram. A sticky 00008000 bit on that chip. Thank you very much!
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10:32<ratrace>socrates: you're welcome
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10:35<NoGuest17>can you repair ram
10:35<NoGuest17>do you guys know that
10:37<ratrace>you can download it instead
10:38<NoGuest17>you can download ram?
10:40<ratrace>uh-huh. https://downloadmoreram.com/
10:42<NoGuest17>wow
10:43<NoGuest17>This isn't a scam, there isn't a virus, it's just a joke website. Made in jest, keep smiling
10:43<ratrace>the "click here" for more info link at the end of download is the best.
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10:44<NoGuest17>do you try to be funny
10:44<NoGuest17>never do that again
10:44<NoGuest17>NEVER
10:44<NoGuest17>EVER
10:44<NoGuest17>PROMISE
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10:44<NoGuest17>PLEASE
10:44<NoGuest17>:)
10:44<NoGuest17>NEVER EVER
10:45<ratrace>okay, I'll .... never gonna let you down... :)
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10:45<NoGuest17>NEVER EVER
10:45<NoGuest17>dont continue
10:45<NoGuest17>ahahhahahsdahshdashd
10:45<NoGuest17>PLEASE MAN NO JOKE
10:46<NoGuest17>oh this chan is big
10:47<NoGuest17>hmm
10:47<NoGuest17>but you dont chat much in that room right
10:48<ratrace>!chat
10:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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10:49<NoGuest17>strange answer
10:49<NoGuest17>whatever have fun in what you do here
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10:52<APiCiALiZ>Little question mount / fstab / ssfs: I want to mount a remote folder it works, except that in the remote directory I want to exclude three directories on the twenties. Do I have to mount 17 directories or is there a way to omit all three directories?
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10:59<j4hr0m>hi room, how can i get apt-get install to always ask if I want to continue ??
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11:07<Kidman>hello
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11:07<Kidman>i installed debian in a virtual machine
11:07<j4hr0m>nice
11:09<dvs>why not the whole machine???? ;-)
11:09<j4hr0m>what is the preset for apt to always ask for confirmation? I have tried APT::Get::Assume-Yes "false"; APT::Get::force-yes "false"; but none work
11:09<j4hr0m>apt always installs without asking
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11:10<imMute>j4hr0m: it only does that when the only things being installed are exactly what you asked for. if any extra deps need to be pulled in, that's when it asks for confirmation
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11:10<dvs>imMute: say it again
11:10<j4hr0m>have i missed something?
11:10<imMute>j4hr0m: did you see what I just said?
11:11<dvs>nope, look
11:11<Kidman>is pidgin messenger like the old yahoo messenger?
11:11<j4hr0m>no, i was disconnected, sorry
11:11<imMute>j4hr0m: it only does that when the only things being installed are exactly what you asked for. if any extra deps need to be pulled in, that's when it asks for confirmation
11:11<imMute>dvs: oh, I have JOINS/PARTS muted in my client.
11:11<j4hr0m>imMute ahh ok, thanks
11:11<Sqrt{not}>%pidgin
11:11<dselect>Pidgin (formerly GAIM) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client based on libpurple. https://wiki.debian.org/Pidgin FAQ: http://pidgin.im/faq . http://pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.libera.chat. See also <finch>.
11:11<j4hr0m>i will try, if i can live with that
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11:12<dvs>Kidman: Kinda, it will do messaging but for multiple systems including Yahoo!
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11:14<Kidman>what is the most popular protocol on pidgin messenger?
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11:15<Kidman>developer
11:15<dvs>I'd imagine IRC if it can do that because it's one of the few that are still operational.
11:15<Kidman>ok
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11:16<dvs>FAQ link is broken for Pidgin
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11:24<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, pidgin =~ s,FAQ: http://pidgin.im/faq . ,,
11:24<dpkg>Sqrt{not}: OK
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11:37<Sqrt{not}>can some ops please poke debhelper -- channel is full
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11:38<Sqrt{not}>wow, fast :)
11:38<petn-randall>The fastest op this side of the Colorado river ;)
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11:39<ratrace>Speedy Petnrandalles!
11:40<petn-randall>It wasn't me ;)
11:41<dvs>uh huh
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13:30<choozy>Hello
13:30<choozy>Is the current Buster x64 kernel compiled with IEEE1394 driver?
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13:33<jmcnaught>choozy: it should be available as a module. You can check with a command like "grep CONFIG_FIREWIRE /boot/config*"
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13:35<choozy>thank you jmcnaught
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13:35<choozy>CONFIG_FIREWIRE=m
13:35<choozy>CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI=m
13:35<choozy>CONFIG_FIREWIRE_SBP2=m
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13:36<choozy>Excuse me I will put it in one line next time..
13:36<jmcnaught>choozy: best to use a site like https://paste.debian.net/
13:36<choozy>I get that output
13:36<choozy>Ah okay
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13:51<user_>Что это за чат? Где я?
13:51<quadrat>!ru
13:51<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
13:51<Blendie>user_: this is the officiall channel of the Debian project
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13:53<xray>hi guys whats up
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15:28<DellGuy>I recently updated my BIOS/grub settings after some startup issues. Now, whenever I suspend the laptop (the screen goes blank when it's not used for a bit) and resume it, it results in a full reboot. Does anyone know of any good methods to troubleshoot this, or to identify my current reboot/suspend settings?
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15:29<quadrat>DellGuy did you look in the journal for errors?
15:29<DellGuy>quadrat: Um... How do I do that? Hehe.
15:30<sarnold>any nvidia?
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15:31<quadrat>journalctl -b -1
15:31<quadrat>(with root rights)
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15:35<tpefreedom>Are contrib and nonfree disabled by default?
15:36<quadrat>tpefreedom afaik, depends on the iso
15:37<quadrat>the unofficial firmware isos, should have contrib non-free enabled
15:37<quadrat>but when using textmode installer, you can always activate them during installation (only in expert mode)
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15:39<DellGuy>quadrat: Not sure what I'm looking for exactly, I guess I could grep for errors and such? I picked this out by just scrolling the journal, though: https://paste.debian.net/1203064/
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15:40<tpefreedom>I just want to be sure that the official/pure isos only have main.
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15:40<quadrat>yeah those only have main
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15:43<jhutchins>DellGuy: Does it actually go through all of the initialization steps, or does it resume from a file?
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15:46<DellGuy>jhutchins: I've had a few different iterations of the issue today. Sometimes it reboots, GRUB splash screen and all, and then actually somehow manages to restore my session. Other times today it's rebooted completely, losing everything.
15:47<Sqrt{not}>DellGuy, what's going on with the vmware lines in your paste?
15:48<jhutchins>DellGuy: You might take a look at the power management settings. Is the power connected or are you on battery?
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15:50<DellGuy>Sqrt{not}: No idea.
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15:50<DellGuy>jhutchins: Ah, I will. RIght now the power is connected, earlier it wasn't.
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15:54<quadrat>the other question still stands from sarnold. do you have a nvidia card in your laptop?
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15:54<jhutchins>Mine will suspend to disk if I close it when it's not powered. On power, it usually comes right back up without going through grub.
15:55<jhutchins>It occurred to me that I shold pay attention to how long it's been closed and see if that's the variable, because the behavior on power is a bit unpredictable.
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15:57<quadrat>y
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16:07<Horizon>hi
16:07<Horizon>is anybody in there?
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16:08<Guest1206>i
16:08<Guest1206>why
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16:08<Guest1206>i want to be horizon m.f.
16:08<Guest1206>anyway
16:08<Guest1206>is anybody in there?
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16:09<sarnold>irc works better with specific questions
16:09<amacater>!ask
16:09<Horizon__>shi
16:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
16:09<Horizon__>gig
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16:10<Horizon__>hi?
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16:11<sney>!new2irc
16:11<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
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16:11<Horizon__>hello man?
16:11<Horizon__>i just manna ask one question
16:11<sney>chat platforms work best if you read
16:11<sarnold>pity you didn't start with that question four minutes ago :)
16:11<Horizon__>hii?
16:12<amacater>Horizon__ : What do you want to know / ask?
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16:12<Horizon__>which server is full?
16:12<Horizon__>bc this one is very empty
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16:12<sarnold>it is the usual state of every hard drive to fill to capacity
16:13<sney>Horizon__: this channel is for helping debian users. if you want to find a place to chat about something else, search on https://netsplit.de
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16:13<quadrat>almost a thousand people in here, yeah pretty empty here -_-
16:13<Horizon__>a
16:13<amacater>This channel - and all the channels starting debian- are supporting Debian Linux
16:13<Horizon__>hmm
16:14<Horizon__>i want a server like chatting
16:14<sney>Horizon__: this channel is for helping debian users. if you want to find a place to chat about something else, search on https://netsplit.de
16:14<NthDegree>Horizon__, do you mean you want to talk about general things? Or do you mean you want to run your own chat server?
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16:14<Horizon__>genreal man
16:15<Horizon__>general*
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16:15<NthDegree>Ah, well there's #moocows for social chat
16:15<vorian>I hear freenode is pretty active these days...
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16:15<Horizon__>ok thanks
16:16<NthDegree>and Libera has plenty of social channels like ##chat, ##defocus, #libera-offtopic etc.
16:16*amacater would _NOT_ suggest freenode under any circumstances
16:16<NthDegree>libera.chat is like OFTC but a bit less focused on tech
16:16<vorian>Bad joke
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16:16<NthDegree>it's still pretty nerdy but more offtopic/social chat there ^_^
16:17<NthDegree>DarkMyst is a network which has roleplays if you're into that (assuming it's still about)
16:17<sarnold>Horizon__: this may be useful to you https://netsplit.de/
16:17<Horizon__>ok
16:17<Horizon__>i have a little broblem
16:17<Horizon__>with my text box
16:18<Horizon__>why its dissapeaer
16:18<Horizon__>i cant see what im typing lol
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17:21<tpefreedom>Is ath9k-htc included in any isos?
17:22<sney>the module is in the kernel, which is on all of the isos. the firmware is only on the firmware-included isos,
17:22<sney>!firmware image
17:22<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>.
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17:24<tpefreedom>Isn't ath9k-htc free though?
17:25<quadrat>tpefreedom Firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-atheros package
17:26<quadrat>Open firmware for this driver is also available in the firmware-ath9k-htc package starting from Buster.
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17:27<sney>,i firmware-atheros
17:27<judd>Package firmware-atheros (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards. Version: 20190114-2; Size: 3917.1k; Installed: 10856k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
17:27<sney>^ non-free.
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17:28<sney>oh, a different package? interesting, I thought the atheros stuff had gone fully binary since qualcomm
17:28<sney>,i firmware-ath9k-htc
17:28<judd>Package firmware-ath9k-htc (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: QCA ath9k-htc Firmware. Version: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; Size: 46.8k; Installed: 160k; Homepage: https://github.com/qca/open-ath9k-htc-firmware
17:28<sney>that'll be in any of the buster and up installers then, as quadrat said
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19:09<r4fkramer>Hello everyone. I'm still having this old problem; this time, another service fails to start. I always have to create directories and assign permissions for this service. After that, the overall status 'Degraded' changes to 'Running': https://paste.debian.net/1203087/
19:09<r4fkramer>Please, how to fix this issue permanently ?
19:10<r4fkramer>Correcting: for these three services
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19:24<sarnold>r4fkramer: sadly the useful parts of those log messages have been cut off
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19:25<sarnold>r4fkramer: the only one that made it through without being truncated was that /var/log/audit was missing; that's crazy, I wonder how that happened
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19:25<luser>hello
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19:26<luser>I have installed debian 10 without any graphical interface: No X, no window manager
19:26<luser>after some time unexpected needs rose
19:27<luser>so I do need some actual graphical interface preferrably with a window manager
19:27<luser>I tried to do apt-get install xorg, xserver-xorg-core
19:27<luser>that worked out fine
19:27<r4fkramer>Hi sarnold, thanks for answering :) Sorry for that, I will resize fonts next time to avoid that. After applying 'systemctl reset-failed', status related to these services got green again.
19:27<luser>however, when I try to do apt-get install kde-full I have issues with 'unmet dependencies'
19:28<luser>kde-full : Depends: kde-plasma-desktop (>= 5:102) but it is not going to be installed
19:28<luser>is one such example
19:28<luser>any guidance on what I am doing wrong?
19:28<r4fkramer>sarnold, anyway, thank you very much for attention !
19:28<r4fkramer>Next time, I'll take care about it
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19:30<sarnold>r4fkramer: I don't think it's the fonts that need work -- I think it's systemd being annoying :)
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19:32<sarnold>r4fkramer: try those commands again with --full
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19:32<sarnold>luser: sometimes an apt install kde-plasma-desktop or apt policy kde-plasma-desktop can help explain those things
19:33<luser>https://0bin.net/paste/GWleyjU9#QOGNTDL037LPnUrfxWlXvnKbBKB7ZQf09fFBB+H-v69
19:34<sarnold>hah :(
19:34<luser>https://0bin.net/paste/RN+ALMQs#OH+6CT0A7VXVwPcGQnK96oiXDNXkn0IHx7nkdYsPgtZ
19:34<r4fkramer>Ok sarnold, I'll do it next time. You mean '--full' at the end of the commands ?
19:35<sarnold>r4fkramer: I'd put it after 'systemctl' but before the 'status', but it might work at the end
19:35<r4fkramer>systemctl status auditd.service--full -> Unit auditd.service--full.service could not be found.
19:35<sarnold>r4fkramer: space between the unit name and --full :)
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19:36<r4fkramer>Sorry, I forgot to separate --full from the command with one space
19:36<r4fkramer>now it was ok here. Thank you.
19:37<luser>no new interesting ideas?
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19:38<luser>before I essentially say f* it and re-install?
19:38<sney>luser: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list?
19:38<luser>https://0bin.net/paste/hkS9U89c#UYQiAbWyuOjdBijVdhrOEYolV2gqk44f-KiW4f53UsI
19:38<luser>worth mentioning I am via ssh
19:39<sney>ssh is fine for installing packages
19:39<luser>but I can have physical access to the server but plz don't make me go down there to the basement
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19:41<sney>if you just need a gui for one or two things, there are a lot smaller options than the full plasma suite. for a middle ground option, you could install 'task-lxqt-desktop'.
19:42<luser>sney: its the retarded nvidia settings tool to allow underclocking of gpus
19:42<luser>the retarded shit needs to have x
19:43<luser> task-lxqt-desktop : Depends: lxqt but it is not going to be installed
19:43<abrotman>feel free to adjust your language choices
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19:44<sney>if you think nvidia-settings is causing a conflict, then remove it, install the desktop, and install nvidia-settings again afterwards.
19:44<luser>sney: no not at all causing a conflict but it needs a graphical environment to run (otherwise it refuses)
19:44<luser>that's why I have decided to go for it
19:45<sney>ah.
19:45<luser>it just seems like everything I try to install graphicswise refuses to install because of unmet dependencies...
19:45<sney>then, try with aptitude. 'apt install aptitude' and then 'aptitude install task-lxqt-desktop' or whichever you prefer - it has a smarter resolver and will try to find a solution that lets you install the packages you want.
19:45<luser>I have no idea what this is
19:46<sney>your sources.list is fine but you probably have something set to manually installed that is blocking them.
19:46<sarnold>luser: hmm, either keep doing those apt install kde-baseapps .. and so on until you find out *why* it's not going to work, or may look through dpkg --get-selections to see if there's something held or on hold or something similar, I'm not sure what the status is exactly..
19:47<luser>sarnold: seems to be working with aptitude
19:47<sarnold>luser: yay! :D
19:48<sarnold>sney: solid advice :)
19:48<luser>https://0bin.net/paste/mnhW-Ycf#p155kGV2AIa8CgZY13KXZvBa1HnfqQInaJL5JBCpaL4
19:48<luser>yes?
19:48<sney>sarnold: it's been in my toolkit since squeeze, at the very least it usually helps find more details about the problem
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19:49<sarnold>luser: that's a very curious thing for it to suggest. If you remove the kernel, *do not reboot* until you put a kernel back
19:49<luser>I can simply say no?
19:49<luser>no as in 'yes'
19:49<luser>abort removal
19:50<sney>if you abort removal it'll abort the whole aptitude run
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19:50<luser>good point
19:50<luser>Linux kraken 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1~bpo10+1 (2021-03-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:50<luser>that's my uname -a
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19:50<luser>I wonder if I am not running the latest kernel?
19:50<sney>it's important to y/n aptitude's suggested solutions, after checking for stuff like this, sometimes it has bad ideas
19:51<luser>I aborted kernel removal until further brainstorming
19:51<sarnold>removing the kernel might be perfectly harmless, if you've already got a newer one installed, or a newer one will be installed as part of this process
19:51<sarnold>but it might also be another symptom of whatever problem is going on here..
19:51<sney>right, again, look at aptitude's output and see what it's going to do
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19:53<luser>I can look at the grub's list of avaliable kernel images....
19:53<luser>and see if there are any extra
19:53<luser>so my system can still boot
19:53<luser>?
19:53<sney>you probably still have your 4.19 installed
19:54<luser>it says that my kernel image version is: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
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19:54<sney>but again, when you ran 'aptitude install task-lxqt-desktop' or whatever, it gave you a list of packages that it was going to install, packages it was going to upgrade/remove, and then it said "y/n" and those lists are the enlightening factor here
19:55<luser>ok too l8 by mistake I have hit 'no' LOL
19:55<luser>I got confused
19:55<sney>and with aptitude, you can hit 'n' and it will think about it some more and offer a different option
19:55<luser>for the good or for the bad I said yes to removal
19:55<sney>alright, nbd, as long as you install a kernel again before you reboot.
19:56<luser>https://0bin.net/paste/V7uI+Eqz#vdmBGu8PmEeLRtVvovRqI7aNlmo2zMwcr16NZf7WYEU
19:56<luser>I don't like this
19:57<luser>it's removing my nvidia stuff
19:57<sney>anything apt removes, you can install again later
19:57<luser>sort of crucial for doing GPU work LOL
19:57<sarnold>sure, your kernel is going away, so these modules won't be needed either
19:57<luser>ok ok
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19:59<luser>it seems to have finished
19:59<luser>how do I check if I am 100% screwed as in - no kernel image candidates until next reboot
19:59<sney>since you already know that the kernel and nvidia-driver were removed, because it just told you,
20:00<sney>you can go ahead and install linux-image-amd64 and nvidia-driver from backports.
20:00<luser>sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64?
20:01<sney>that is 1/3 of what I just said
20:01<luser>The following additional packages will be installed: linux-image-4.19.0-17-amd64
20:01<luser>linux-image-4.19.0-17-amd64
20:01<luser>sounds good?
20:02<sney>is that the same version as the kernel it just removed?
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20:02<luser>when I do uname -a it shows "5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64"
20:02<luser>so I guess my current kernel version is 5.10.0?
20:02<sney>right
20:02<luser>how did it get there? I have no clue
20:03<Sqrt{not}>that is the backport kernel
20:03<sney>alright, maybe someone here gave you instructions to install that without telling you what you were doing. or maybe you forgot.
20:03<luser>probably I forgot
20:04<luser>so should I install from backports?
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20:04<luser>I think it had something to do with the nvidia driver
20:04<sney>to install the kernel and nvidia-driver from backports, you would do e.g. 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 nvidia-driver'.
20:04<luser>but maybe that will not be necessary?
20:04<luser>maybe it will do fine with the normal kernel versions?
20:05<sney>it's what you had before you installed the desktop. it's safe to assume that it was for a reason, and you should return the system to how it was.
20:05<luser>ok roger that
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20:06<luser>seems like everything is due
20:06<luser>reboot?
20:07<sarnold>double-check you've got kernels installed :)
20:07<sarnold>(or is that the thing you just did?)
20:08<sney>if apt didn't throw any errors and you have a 5.10 kernel in /boot, it's probably safe to reboot. make sure there are no messages about failing to build the nvidia module.
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20:15<mtnman>helo can someone help with iptables rules for nat?
20:16<mtnman>or what is a good channel to ask for help with iptables?
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20:19<sney>mtnman: ask your question, and if someone here can help you they may reply
20:19<mtnman>what is the iptables rule syntax to allow nat and ip forwarding?
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20:25<Sqrt{not}>!iptables
20:25<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.libera.chat See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>.
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20:27<Sqrt{not}>%netfilter docs
20:27<dselect>netfilter docs are at /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ , http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/ , http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ , http://netfilter.samba.org/
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20:32<sney>wow, look at the crust on that documentation :)
20:33<Sqrt{not}>[snipped off the fleenode part at least]
20:34<sney>that was me, just before you triggered it
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20:34<sney>iptables, nftables, and netfilter factoids are now updated for the 21st century.
20:35<sney>the docs one is just unlinked for now, I'm not sure what the best outside links are, so I just left the debian wiki ones.
20:36*Sqrt{not} disappointed that lartc does not involve attitude readjustment
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20:38<sney>mtnman: this looks accurate, if light on comments, you will still need to understand nat to see what you're doing here. https://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-6.html
20:38<sney>if you are on buster or newer, and just implementing a linux router for the first time, you should probably learn nftables instead:
20:38<sney>!nftables
20:38<dpkg>[nftables] The user-space tools for administering <netfilter>, and successor to <iptables>. For usage examples, see http://wiki.debian.org/nftables. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.libera.chat
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