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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-06

---Logopened Tue Jul 06 00:00:58 2021
00:01-!-lonewulf` [~lonewulf@00020897.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:01-!-lonewulf` is "U-lonewulf-PC\lonewulf" on #linode #debian-offtopic #debian #oftc
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00:03-!-chuangzh1 is "Chuang Zhu" on #ustclug #debian
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00:05-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:14-!-jimpop is "Jim Popovitch" on #debian
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00:14-!-RedSoxFan07 is "RedSoxFan07" on #debian-next #debian
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00:21-!-sfsdf is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian
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00:25-!-sovtware is "realname" on #debian #debian-pl #ubuntu
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00:36-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #debian-social #debian-l10n-russian #debian-devel-changes #debian-meeting #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian
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00:41-!-stylesen__ is "stylesen" on #debian #debian-india
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00:43-!-Durant1 is "realname" on #debian
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00:45-!-diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian
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00:46-!-mimi89999 is "mimi89999" on #debian #postmarketos-devel
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00:47-!-milkt is "debian" on #fdroid #tor #debian-games #debian-next #debian
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00:50-!-nuc is "realname" on #debian
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00:50-!-jimpop is "Jim Popovitch" on #debian
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00:54-!-bestucan is "can" on #debian-zh #debian
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00:57-!-milkt is "debian" on #fdroid #tor #debian-games #debian-next #debian
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01:04-!-hele is "hele" on #debian-next #debian
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01:12-!-tertu is "tertu f. marybig" on #asahi #debian-next #debian
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01:13-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian #debian-devel-changes
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01:25-!-hele is "hele" on #debian-next #debian
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01:54-!-towo^work is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #kernelnewbies #radeon #kvm #vbox #vboxger
01:54-!-CutMeOwnThroat is now known as Iridos
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02:16-!-texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #hyprateam #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-a11y
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02:53-!-hele is "hele" on #debian-next #debian
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03:11-!-hele is "hele" on #debian-next #debian
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03:11-!-apteryx_ is "maxim" on #debian
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05:18<gru>i had a working bcache ssd&hdd setup. Then I installed a new system. how do i start the bcache system again without loosing data?
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05:30<ratrace>gru: your question is missing more context and detail
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05:31<gru>@ratrace: there is data on the hdd that i dont want to loose
05:31<gru>but there is no /dev/bcache0 device any more
05:32<jhutchins>gru: Backups
05:32<gru>only the cache ssd (sdb5) and the hdd (sda)
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05:33<ratrace>gru: so the "[installed] new system" is a separate machine ? you want to plug in the disks from the old machine into the new machine?
05:33<gru>ratrace, yes
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05:35<ratrace>gru: you need to install and setup bcache userland and configs, for it to start the layers on boot. I forgot all the deets, it's been a few years since I used bcache
05:36<ratrace>and if you installed it (bcache-tools; NOTE: bcache != bcacheFS ), and the devices don't appear on boot, is the module loaded?
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05:40<gru>its loaded.. thanks for the help i will google a bit more
05:40<gru>i will report back how i resolved it ;)
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05:43<gru>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/387501/getting-files-off-bcache-disk-from-different-computer
05:43<gru>this works for mounting the backing device.. now i just need to setup the bcache again
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08:03<Guest1655>What is the name of the screensaver included when installing Debian with Plasma?
08:04<Guest1655>I'm having a problem, if I lock the screen then there's no password prompt, no way to log back in, and I have to restart the machine each time
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08:05<amacater>kscreensaver, possibly?
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08:06<Guest1655>I thought so too, but I am not sure how to verify it. Putting it in terminal returns "command not found", and there's no systemd process under that name either
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08:07<ansgar>Guest1655: It might just be the login manager handling screen locking as well these days.
08:08<ansgar>Guest1655: `loginctl unlock-sessions` or `loginctl unlock-session [id]` from a text console login should also unlock the screen; `[id]` can be found with just running `loginctl`
08:09<Guest1655>In that case, how do I configure SDDM's locking? The "Screen Locking" part of System Settings is quite barren and doesn't help
08:10<Guest1655>Sounds like it could work, but having to go into a TTY and input a command just to unlock the screen is a temporary fix at best, not something I want to have to keep doing
08:10<jm_>plasma-desktop has Recommends: kde-config-screenlocker - is that installed?
08:11<Guest1655>Yup, "already the newest version (5.14.5-1)"
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08:15<jm_>interesting, found similar (same?) issue with some other distributions, apparently changing tty-s helped for them
08:16<Guest1655>tty-s?
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08:20<jm_>ctrl-alt-f1 then try ctrl-alt-<right cursor> until you get back to KDE screen
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08:22<Guest1655>Just tried it, it didn't work. At least loginctl unlock-session works...
08:23<Fraggle2>if ctrl-alt-<right cursor> does not work for you (like for me) try ctrl-alt-Fx with different numbers for x
08:23<Guest1655>No no, I don't mean that changing between them doesn't work
08:24<Fraggle2>ok
08:24<Guest1655>I mean that changing from graphical to text and back to graphical doesn't make any login prompt apear
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08:26<jm_>maybe try checking BTS - I tried looking briefly, but there are so many packages involved it's hard to know where to look
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08:30<Guest1655>I will take a look. If I can't find anything, I guess I'll start a thread on the User Forum
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08:31<jm_>yeah, there's also #debian-kde
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08:32<amacater>Rather than user forum, rather try the mailing list at debian-user - mail will stick around
08:33<Guest1655>I have never once used a mailing list in my life, forums are more user-friendly for me :)
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08:33<quadrat>Guest1655 the user forums are not even official, so who knows how many 'official' people lurk around
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08:42*amacater tends to lurk in the debian-user mailing list as well :)
08:43<amacater>It may also be useful to report a bug / check the Debian bug tracker to see if it's a known issue
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09:36<twl>logged into my laptop running debian unstable, and it appears that i was removed from the sudo group somehow. During debian installation i did not set a root password so i cannot run
09:36<twl>...su or login as root
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09:37<bremner>#debian-next for unstable
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09:43<ratrace>(and this is one of several reasons I recommend always setting root password)
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11:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:34<wheeler>How can I list all the versions available in my apt sources for a given deb package?
12:35<bahamat>wheeler: apt-cache show <pkg>
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12:36<wheeler>Oh! That's it. I was doing apt show. Thanks, bahamat
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12:49<vv221[BI]>wheeler, if you're only interested in available versions, not the package description, you can try: apt policy <pkg>
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13:22<luelo1510>i just downloaded the debian ISO file that's linked on the front page at debian.org
13:22<luelo1510>where can i find a md5 checksum or something like that for integrity check?
13:22<luelo1510>the website seems a bit confusing to me
13:22<sussudio>from what i remember, the page where you downloaded it from
13:23<amacater>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/
13:24<amacater>is probably a good place to start. The .iso listed on the front page doesn't have sha256sums or whatever on the same page
13:24<sney>I submitted a merge request to clear that stuff up for the debian.org homepage, still waiting for approval
13:26<sussudio>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
13:26<luelo1510>ah right thank you
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13:28<luelo1510>now that i failed to navigate on the web page, i'm confident that i can successfully install debian :------D
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13:28<amacater>If you're worried, check with more than MD5
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13:29<vitaerk>hi, iam wondering about version 10.10 ...when is 11 bullseye coming?
13:29<NthDegree>vitaerk, I would estimate a few weeks at most
13:29<vitaerk>ok, then ill wait for it. Thank you
13:29<amacater>!wwbr
13:29<dpkg>Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is July 31st 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. Stuff may slip but July 31 is hoped for.
13:30<vitaerk>thank you
13:30<sussudio>i don't know why people seem to want "new things" for no good reason. i was still running woody on one of my computers when the fan died.
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13:31<vitaerk>dont touch a running system, yes.
13:31<amacater>sussudio - Maybe because more up to date / supported / not insecure?
13:31<NthDegree>sussudio, for a desktop, it's more than welcomed
13:31<sussudio>it still kept running for a few weeks until i noticed the kernel panic.
13:31<amacater>Don't touch a running system - but you can update a Debian system from one major version to another
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13:32*amacater did so on an important system only to have the RAID card fail at the same time: physical hardware failure where battery swelled and cracked card
13:32<NthDegree>ouch, that's terrible luck that
13:32<vitaerk>i updated, because my old system hard disc was full. I dont delete the data, install new debian on new ssd hard disc
13:33<sussudio>i replaced piggy's system when the disk got full and it started getting bad sectors
13:34<vitaerk>now i have problems that i never know with debian. So i hoping for debian11 release as soon as possible
13:34<sussudio>why do you think debian 11 will fix these problems
13:34<vv221>Because Debian 11 will fix all problems \o/
13:35<vv221>(at least until Debian 12…)
13:35<vitaerk>its a hope, because i dont want try to fix 10.7 ... looking for what is the failure
13:35*sarvad has a 9 year old laptop, running buster on it and has no plans of getting off of it.
13:36<vitaerk>my only idea are too old config files in home...
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13:37<amacater>vitaerk - You could try updating 10.7 to 10.10 or just save your data to something esle then restore
13:39<vitaerk>yes i could. It is the command upgrade oder dist-upgrade?
13:39<vitaerk>apt of course
13:39<sarvad>anyone uses xfce here? What's its future? I see that 4.1.6 is included in bullseye but it's release cycle is so slow some times I wonder if it's on a dying path.
13:40<amacater>apt update ; apt upgrade
13:40<NthDegree>vitaerk, apt update && apt dist-upgrade
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13:40<sussudio>sarvad: is there anything wrong or non-functional with xfce that it needs to be updated?
13:40<amacater>NthDegree probably has it better than I do: dist-upgrade will make sure everything upgrades
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13:41<vitaerk>ok, i will try it
13:43<sarvad>sussudio: Nothing wrong. Just wondering about it's future especially when I see Gnome etc. getting frequent updates. Feel like not enough interest/not enough volunteers to work on it will result in it's eventual death - that too very soon. Hope I am wrong, as I love Xfce.
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13:44<sarvad>https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.18/roadmap - Just found this!
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13:51<vv221>sarvad, I would not worry too much about XFCE, as the most complete lightweight desktop environment I guess it will still be widely used for years.
13:51<vv221>Of course, like all such projects they are probably lacking in volunteers and other resources, so would probably be very happy for any kind of help ;)
13:52<amacater>v.XFCE
13:52<vv221>(I did not even check, *all* projects with such a scope are understaffed)
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13:54<sarvad>vv221: True.
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16:36<sychill>systemctl list-units | grep -i puls <= that gives nothing. Specifically, not pulseaudio. How might I go about finding which services map to a package?
16:36<ratrace>sychill: add --user. pulseaudio installs as a user .service
16:38<sychill>thanks, but that's still not found. I ran this as a user: systemctl list-units --user | grep -i puls
16:38<ratrace>WorksForMe(tm). do you even have pulseaudio installed?
16:39<imMute>sychill: systemctl status foo.service shows the path to the .service file. you can pass that to 'dpkg -S /path/to/foo.service' to see which package owns it.
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16:40<sychill>ratrace: yes it's installed, and it works as long as I run "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no".
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16:41<imMute>sychill: /usr/bin/pulseaudio comes from the pulseaudio package, which also provides the /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service service.
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16:41<ratrace>sychill: why daemonize no? typically you run _with_ -D anyhoo, if you check dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep service, you'd see it installed it in /lib/systemd/user/
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16:42<jmcnaught>The default pulseaudio.service user unit starts pulseaudio with --daemonize=no
16:42<sychill>ratrace: that was just a test.
16:43<ratrace>jmcnaught: yes because systemd is its process manager. but when you run pulseaudio manually typically it's with -D . issues are often solved with -k followed by -D or restart the service
16:43<sychill>this shows something useful: "systemctl status --user pulseaudio" so perhaps i just need to enable it and start it
16:43<imMute>sychill: list-units doesn't show all services by default. I don't remember which ones aren't shown by default, but you might need an --all in there
16:44<ratrace>sychill: on debian, that's the default.
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16:46<sychill>imMute: btw, i was originally trying to go the other way.. knowing the pkg name but not the service name. anyway, i know it's the same as the pkg name now, but strangely i can't get it to list this way: "systemctl list-units --user --all"
16:46<imMute>sychill: dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep .service$
16:47<ratrace>that $, especially unescaped, is rather pointless
16:47<imMute>ratrace: it's not pointless, and it does work correctly
16:48<sychill>when nothing follows $, then it does not get expanded, so it ensures nothing follows .service
16:48<imMute>aye.
16:49<imMute>now is ".service" liekly to show up in paths output from "dpkg -L"? probably not. but it doesn't hurt to be there.
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16:50<sychill>output was "/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service" and "/lib/systemd/system/pulseaudio-enable-autospawn.service"
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16:51<sychill>still a mystery that "systemctl list-units --user --all" does not show pulseaudio, but "systemctl status --user pulseaudio" indeed confirms that it's there
16:52<ratrace>sychill: in what status is it?
16:52<sychill>Active: inactive (dead)
16:53<sychill>i'll enable it with my user acct
16:53<sychill>I guess every user would need to do that, in principle
16:54<ratrace>I would think that's default on debian. I never had to enable it specifically, and I don't even run any DE which would've done it for me
16:54<sychill>well, i did a debootstrap install, so i have to do more things manually. The last time i installed debian it was netinst, and that took care of it automatically
16:55<ratrace>I install with debootstrap too
16:55<ratrace>does the status list vendor preset: enabled ?
16:55<sychill>now i ran "systemctl enable --user pulseaudio" followed by "systemctl start --user pulseaudio", and status looks good.. says it's running. But no audio
16:56<sychill>Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
16:56<jhutchins>!alsa checklist
16:56<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
16:56<ratrace>sychill: I found that I always had to run alsamixer and ramp up all the relevant channels (master, front) and remove the MM(ute) flags, first time
16:57<ratrace>they _should_ be in sync (PA and alsa controls), so maybe a PA-native control panel, like pavucontrol, would work too. I just used alsamixer because I always used alsamixer for many many years :)
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17:02<sychill>first time i ran "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no" & fiddled with alsamixer it worked. Now i've killed pulseaudio, and then ran the service (systemctl), and it doesn't work, even after fiddling with alsamixer again
17:03<sychill>"aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" as root works
17:04<jhutchins>Pulseaudio is a layer on top of alsa, so it's worth going through the checklist.
17:04<sychill>i was already in the audio group even before i booted
17:04<sychill>is there an alsa service that I also need to run?
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17:05<sney>no, alsa is just kernel modules
17:05<ratrace>here's the extra kicker ... sound would work even with PA down in some cases. firefox, for example, will revert to alsa in absence of PA, and by absence I also mean permission issues when you bork your apparmor profile and forget to enable sound :)
17:05<ratrace>it's a mess alright. sychill: so what's the service status right now? any complaints by it, in the journal?
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17:07<sychill>http://sprunge.us/GF5tAG <= PA status
17:08<sychill>(the dots are actually green though).. guess it's not a color pastebin
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17:08<ratrace>sychill: and you're running aplay as uid 1000, right?
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17:09<sychill>no, i did that test as root
17:09<sychill>(step 5)
17:09<ratrace>oh ok, try that as use (Assuming uid 1000)
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17:10<sychill>well, that works as user too
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17:10<ratrace>so which sound doesn't work then?
17:10<sychill>so guess it's just Tor Browser that lost audio
17:10<ratrace>sychill: check with pavucontrol or something similar, if the application specific audio slider is at max
17:11<sychill>hmm.. works in ungoogled chromium. Zuckerberg getting questioned works in UG https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/freeradical-system/cache/media_attachments/files/106/534/494/351/550/583/original/659a26ca734cf9b7.mp4
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17:11<ratrace>sychill: check that your tor thingy has access to PA socket, and it's not behind a namespace or sumfin
17:12<ratrace>(if application specific volume slider is maxed and unmuted)
17:12*sychill installs pavucontrol
17:13<sychill>well, tor browser worked when i ran pulseaudio on the CLI previously.. just lost it when I ran it as a service
17:13<ratrace>sychill: as a --user service, right?
17:13<ratrace>ie, not system-wide?
17:13<sychill>right
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17:15<ratrace>well basically the service just starts pulseaudio --daemonize=no, along with some security options and constraints. so it wouldn't work to other namespaces without fiddling
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17:18<sychill>strange.. tor browser is the only thing that lost audio when switching to a service. even this works over tor using firejail: curl -v http://76qugh5bey5gum7l.onion/c0vertElectr0 | mpg123 -
17:19<ratrace>sychill: firejail == namespace. and that won't work with teh service that restricts namespaces. nothing strange there
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17:19<ratrace>if you want to use firejail, either remove the namespaces restriction from teh service unit, or enable tcp based sockets
17:20<ratrace>(for PA, tcp sockets for PA)
17:20<sychill>pavucontrol is forever waiting with "establishing connection to PulseAudio.. please wait"
17:20<sychill>ratrace: i said audio *does* work from the firejail
17:20<sychill>tor browser is the only problem
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17:21<sychill>pavucontrol pretty much went to lunch
17:21<ratrace>I think I've seen it do that once or twice. eventually it showed up
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18:03<refried_consult>hey I am having some trouble switching to another tty for a text console (is that the term?) when I have gnome and gdm running (standard debian desktop. It should be ctrl+alt+F{1,2,33}, right? I only get a short screen blackout and then I am back on my desktop.
18:05<quadrat>refried_consult if you are on wayland, f1 and f2 are reserved for desktop usage, so with f3 ttys start
18:05<refried_consult>B: x11
18:05<quadrat>is the screen blackout = doesn't receive a signal? or just a blackscreen?
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18:09<refried_consult>some more tests:
18:09<refried_consult>ok so
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18:12<refried_consult>F1 gets me to a gdm login screen. F2 gets me back to my desktop the first time. switching again seems to have killed the session, thats why I disconnected. F3 to F9 just show a black screen on which nothing happens. unsure if no signal, as it is a laptop
18:12<quadrat>that sounds like you are on wayland honestly, because if you are on x11, f7 would be your desktop. what kind of gpu do you have?
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18:14<refried_consult>gnome-settings about says X11. also sorry it is nvidia. But drivers are from debian non-free, not an sh installer
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18:15<quadrat>does you x11 log say anything?
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18:19<refried_consult>where would I look for that?
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18:20<refried_consult>Xorg.0.log found that
18:20<refried_consult>and Xorg.1.log that. 0 is 5 minutes older
18:21<refried_consult>[ 28348.990] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. Is last ine of 0
18:23<quadrat>refried_consult could you post your whole file?
18:23<quadrat>using paste.debian.net
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18:25<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I'm trying to install 'snapd' but get these errors. Tried to fix this issue reconfiguring 'dpkg', but errors persist: https://paste.debian.net/1203610/
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18:25<refried_consult>[28348.780] which digit there is seconds? I can give you the relevant 3 minutes till the end
18:26<sarnold>refried_consult: 28348 -- the .780 is showing fractions of a second
18:26<refried_consult>ok
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18:27<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: Line 16: " error creating directory './var/snap': Operation not permitted" did you happen to have used "chattr +i" on /var the other day for your other issue?
18:28<r4fkramer>Thanks for answering jmcnaught. In fact, I didn't do it before
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18:28<refried_consult>so the log starting at [ 28305.234] (--) Log file renamed from "/var/log/Xorg.pid means that it only logs errors then? Because that is less than a minute and the computer ran way longer in total
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18:29<sarnold>r4fkramer: maybe namei -l /var/snap -- also check dmesg output
18:29<r4fkramer>jmcnaught, I paid attention about this message in line 16 and the line 19. Through message in line 19, tried to fix the installation error, as I said before, reconfiguring 'dpkg'
18:31<r4fkramer>Thanks for answering too, sarnold, please, is the first command you mention 'namei -l /va/snap' ?
18:32<r4fkramer>There are some red messages in 'dmesg', but apparently not related to this issue.
18:32<sarnold>r4fkramer: yes, just make sure to spell it correctly when you run it :) namei -l /var/snap
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18:33<r4fkramer>Fine, sarnold, I always pay attention about this question: spelling correctly to avoid others errors. Thank you :)
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18:34<r4fkramer>snap directory doesn't exit.
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18:35<sarnold>r4fkramer: and do the permissions on /var look sane?
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18:36<r4fkramer>sarnold, I think yes, but not sure: drwxr-xr-x root root / -> drwxr-xr-x root root var
18:37<sarnold>r4fkramer: they match mine, anyway..
18:38<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: "lsattr -d /var" what does that say?
18:38<sarnold>hah, sniped by jmcnaught :)
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18:39<r4fkramer>jmcnaught: ----i----------------- /var
18:40<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: you did do "chattr +i /var" then. You can undo it with "chattr -i /var"
18:41<refried_consult>sarnold: et a
18:41<refried_consult>l https://paste.debian.net/1203611/
18:41<refried_consult>if something relevant is missing I'll provide
18:43<refried_consult>Main question is why I can ctrl alt F6 or whatever to get a text console, because it is stable if not poked otherwise
18:43<r4fkramer>Ok sarnold and jmcnaught, I tried other resource, that I consider better, but I didn't work today - Yesterday, I could open android files without any problem through 'libmtp' , 'mtp tools' and 'jmtpfs'
18:43<r4fkramer>https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
18:44<quadrat>refried_consult what device do you use? (i assume a macbook)
18:44<Sqrt{not}>refried_consult, now you _can_ get the text console on F6 ?
18:44<r4fkramer>I check devide here through 'mtp-detect', and it is displayed
18:44<refried_consult>yeah
18:44<refried_consult>no, i get a black screen
18:45<quadrat>refried_consult what year is your device from?
18:45<r4fkramer>device is detected; but I have this error message: 'error returned by libusb_claim_interface() = -6LIBMTP PANIC: Unable to initialize device'
18:46<r4fkramer>Surely I prefer fix this issue, better using packages installed through 'apt' than 'snapd' for me
18:47<r4fkramer>I can list device in 'lsusb', the file is there
18:48<refried_consult>ctrl alt F2 to F7 gets me a black screen and F7 gets me back to gnome. F1 gets me to gdm login but that ki
18:48<refried_consult>lls the session sometimes so I didnt try that again
18:49<refried_consult>quadrat. I thought it was F2 before, but it is indeed F7
18:49<refried_consult>macbook is from 2011 i think
18:51<quadrat>eh, did you try to use the open source driver? with that old gpu, it's not really worth it to go with the nvidia driver
18:51<refried_consult>if gdm isnt running tty switching works as expected I think. And I think on non-debian it used to work with gnome too, but I dont wanna run non-debian
18:52<refried_consult>on nouveau with a debian gnome live disk the same happens
18:52<quadrat>oO
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18:52<quadrat>i have a late mb 2010 and never had issues in that regard (running buster for now)
18:52<refried_consult>that is why I thought I'd ask here if this is maybe expected behaviour
18:53<quadrat>no that's not intended
18:54<refried_consult>It is not that bad, but it is a problem if the session hangs and I can't switch ttys for a rescure
18:54<quadrat>are you running buster or bullseye refried_consult as you are running a 5.10 kernel
18:55<refried_consult>bullseye. no frankendebian
18:55<refried_consult>bullseye main contrib non-free. is the only line in sources.list
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18:55<quadrat>backports would have 5.10 that's why i am asking
18:56<refried_consult>yeah, I should have mentioned
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18:57<quadrat>refried_consult did you try to use a buster live image? and if it works there, I guess you would need to report a bug
18:57<refried_consult>looking at my notes it seems this used to work on buster on this machine
18:57<refried_consult>had the same thought there
18:58<quadrat>as I don't have access to my mb right now, i can't test it myself :/
18:58<refried_consult>I dont really know where I would report a bug againt what.
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18:59<refried_consult>quadrat: Is that nvidia too?
18:59<sonce>i messed up a texlive installation and now im stuck with a "1 not fully installed or removed.", can anyone help pls ?
18:59<quadrat>refried_consult yes
18:59<quadrat>9400M if i remember correctly
19:00<refried_consult>[ 28341.338] (II) event11 - Power Button: device removed - I like this part of the log
19:01<quadrat>sonce, any more ouput?
19:01<quadrat>lol refried_consult
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19:02<sonce>Missing head file /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/config/language.us: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/update-language line 139.
19:02<sonce>dpkg: error processing package tex-common (--configure):
19:02<dpkg>sonce: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:04<sonce>hmmm .... can u pls give me the link to that website for pastebin ?
19:04<sonce>thanks
19:04<quadrat>paste.debian.net
19:05<sonce>https://paste.debian.net/1203614/
19:05<sonce>thanks
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19:06<quadrat>what does "sudo dpkg --configure -a" do?
19:07<refried_consult>I am happy to talk more about this Question A, but I have another Question B, too. How would I run a longer running command with lots of output on the command line (like bash in the gnome terminal), but then filter out lines that partially match a certian string? I have a command here that logs an irrelevent same message several times a second, and that makes it hard to observe the important bits that come over the minutes.
19:07<sonce>exact same
19:07<sonce>its looking at the wrong place
19:08<refried_consult>looks like this: 1625613242 WARNING same string every time. the number in the beginning doe increment
19:08<sonce>that language.us file is in /usr/local/texlive/2021/texmf-dist/tex/generic/config , not in /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/config
19:09<quadrat>sonce do you run bullseye?
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19:13<sonce>it says buster
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19:17<r4fkramer>Hi sarnold and jmcnaught, I didn't continue trying to install 'android file transfer', for I could fix my issue here according this debian tutorial for 'mtp'. Thank you :)'
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19:17<sarnold>r4fkramer: woot, I'm glad that worked out ;) I never understood all that android stuff
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19:20<r4fkramer>Yes, sarnold, if you doesn't concentrate in some passages of the information, you tend to get any mistake - what I did here at first. Now it's fine. Really thank you very much for attention and Great Support !
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19:22<sarnold>\o/
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19:29<spawacz>refried_consult: just grep
19:30<spawacz>grep -E '[[:digit:]]+'
19:32<spawacz>also match the beginning of the line with ^
19:33<sonce>pls help or redirect me elsewhere ?
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19:35<quadrat>sonce i am still not sure why it happens on your pc, as a new buster install installs tex-common perfectly fine, so do you have anything special installed? 3rd party repos?
19:36<sonce>i downloaded texlive directly because it was telling me i need 2021
19:36<sonce>so this happened with tl-20210705
19:36<quadrat>directly from where?
19:37<sonce>tug.org
19:37<refried_consult>spawacs I dont want to redirect the output to a file and then search that, but to look at the output in the terminal as it comes in. just with some messages not being shown
19:37<quadrat>sonce so you would need to ask them, as that's not a debian package
19:38<sonce>how do i remove it ?
19:38<quadrat>that's something for them to answer ;)
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19:39<sonce>am ... and that was not a joke now
19:39<sonce>fine
19:39<quadrat>no it's not, because why would debian users know what random script does?
19:40<sonce>for surely theres a way to uninstall ANY package whatever the package
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19:41<sonce>ok, well, any way u can help me get a mic working ?
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19:41<quadrat>sonce again, that's something you would need to ask them, as only they know what the script does
19:41<quadrat>sonce you would need to explain more, so that somebody can help
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19:42<sonce>its not working , pavucontrol can see the mic being plugged in , but it is not working
19:44<quadrat>sorry can't help on sound/mic, as I don't even have speakers connected
19:44<sonce>ok, thanks
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20:16<refried_consult>I willbe logging of now but look at the archives later. so if anybody has an answer please write it still.
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20:17<Sqrt{not}>sonce, I don't know much about tex, but I can offer you https://texfaq.org/ and MAYBE the folks in channel #latex at irc.libera.chat MAYBE would be kind enough to listen to your question
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20:17<sonce>thanks
20:18<sonce>any idea why my shell is saying qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display. Could not connect to any X display. ?
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20:25<sarnold>sonce: are you perchance running in a wayland compositor instead of X? I think there's a way to get wayland to run an x server for x clients but I don't know off-hand how that works
20:25<sonce>sorry, i dont know what this means
20:26<sarnold>heh, sorry
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20:28<sonce>ok, its saying this: Type=x11
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20:56<sychill>Xwayland is the pkg that enables x11 apps to run on Wayland. Xorg is also needed in that case
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21:00<sychill>sonce, sarnold: a simple test to know if you're using wayland: run "xeyes". if the eyes follow your mouse everywhere regardless of window, then you're most likely running x11 purely. If there is at least one window where the eyes don't move, then that's a wayland window and it means you have wayland installed
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21:04<sarnold>sychill: oh that's very handy, thanks
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21:05<jmcnaught>"loginctl session-status" should also show the session type
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21:06<quadrat>sychill you don't need xorg to run xwayland
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21:07<sychill>well, i've been told otherwise, but i didn't test it
21:08<quadrat>xwayland is just a stripped down xorg, so why would you need xorg ;)
21:09<sychill>i thought xwayland was middleware running on top of xorg
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21:10<sychill>guess i'll keep xorg around since i have a java app that apparently cannot handle xwayland or wayland
21:11<sychill>perhaps I can do cntrl-alt-f2 and run ratpoison in that terminal to use the one java app
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21:27<sonce>fixed my texlive :D
21:27<sonce>so whats wrong with my cli ?
21:27<sonce>pretty pls, i promise ill donate, i did last time
21:28<sonce>im rly not used to not have IT support, work from home sux
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21:32<Sqrt{not}>sonce, is this where you see the message about qt.qpa.screen could not connect?
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21:38<sychill>https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp <= this says pulseaudio-module-bluetooth clashes with libspa-0.2-bluetooth. So we must choose one of them. Then it says choose a pairing tool. I chose blueman. But when I run "aptitude install blueman libspa-0.2-bluetooth --simulate", it shows that *both* libspa-0.2-bluetooth and pulseaudio-module-bluetooth would be installed
21:38<sychill>does this mean that libspa-0.2-bluetooth is also incompatible with blueman?
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21:39<sychill>and shouldn't aptitude protect me from that? Shouldn't it say my request is a bad idea?
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21:40<sonce>Sqrt{not}, yeah . among other
21:40<sonce>somehow only su - works, and my only other user is not on sudoers list
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21:43<Sqrt{not}>sonce, su behavior changed in buster, to require the " -" to get root's environment variables including $PATH. but on su - works ("works" for what?)
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21:44<Sqrt{not}>sonce you can add sudo permission to your other user if you want to.
21:44<sonce>for everything , su - is the only thing that works works, everything else is stuck not finding stuff
21:44<sonce>it says its added
21:44<Sqrt{not}>what everything else for example?
21:45<sonce>like installing texlive
21:45<sonce>im sorry , im not good at this
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21:45<Sqrt{not}>installing with debian packaging tools? yes, that should be done as root.
21:45<sonce>i know , but say if i wanna open up a file as kate blabla from normal user it works
21:46<sonce>but if i do that while logged in with su - it displays that message and vi is rly not handy if theres thousands of lines
21:46<sonce>it just feels like something is wrong
21:46<sonce>or maybe thats normal but has changed with buster ?
21:47<sonce>than im wrong
21:47<Sqrt{not}>OK, slow down.
21:47<Sqrt{not}>when you do what exactly when inside su - ? what message it displays ? what does vi have to do with it?
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21:48<sonce>if i try to run kate is stays qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display Could not connect to any X display.
21:48<sonce>says
21:49<themill>You shouldn't be trying to run kate as root
21:49<sonce>so then how do u open a log file with a lock icon on it ?
21:50<themill>"open" meaning what?
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21:50<sonce>to see whats inthere without being stuck with something like vi
21:50<themill>what are you trying to achieve? (not how do you think you're going to achieve it)
21:50<themill>you don't use a text editor to look at a file...
21:51<sychill>"xhost +" might be the quick and dirty answer here
21:51<sonce>lol, ill try use my third eye next time :/
21:51<themill>absolutely not
21:51<sonce>i dont understand what u mean
21:52<Sqrt{not}>sonce, I would use the command "less" to look at a log file
21:52<themill>or grep if I wanted to filter it
21:52<Sqrt{not}>if your user just got added to group sudo, you should log out and log back in, to make that effective
21:52<sonce>ok, so getting that display message is what is supposed to happen ?
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21:53<themill>yes, other users can't open programs on your display (that's basic security); you also shouldn't run GUI programs as root; you also shouldn't open read-only log files in a read-write editor
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21:55<sonce>ok ,
21:56<sonce>ill try log out and log back in
21:56<sonce>brb
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22:03<sonce>apparently im still not on sudoers list
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22:07<Sqrt{not}>sonce, what is the output of command: groups
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22:08<sonce>sonce cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin
22:09<Sqrt{not}>yup, not in sudoers. what did you do before, to try to add yourself there?
22:09<sonce>sudo adduser sonce
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22:10<sonce>it said it exists
22:10<sonce>was i just trying to add a normal user
22:10<Sqrt{not}>yes
22:10<sonce>?
22:10<sonce>oh
22:10<sonce>ok
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22:10<Sqrt{not}>you can do sudo, until you are in the group
22:11<sonce>can or cant ?
22:11<Sqrt{not}>so you need to become root with su - ; then run this command: adduser sonce sudo
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22:11<sonce>ok, so just diff order
22:11<Sqrt{not}>ah, sorry "can't"
22:11<sonce>i do that a LOT
22:11<sonce>mess up order of things
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22:11<sonce>log out again ?
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22:13<Sqrt{not}>OK, if you need to become root via sudo. what is the actual goal here?
22:13<sonce>oh, no , ive done that and it said Adding user `sonce' to group `sudo' ...Adding user sonce to group sudo Done
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22:13<sonce>so i guess it did that
22:13<Sqrt{not}>good, that is correct :)
22:14<istrive_>is there an official way to gracefully shutdown Windows Server guest system when the linux host reboots or shutdown?
22:14<istrive_>headless start doesn't close with acpipowerbutton because the system doesn't allow enough time for the system to close properly...
22:14<istrive_>Hyper-X and VMWare has this feature natively, what's the problem of implementing this on VirtualBox?
22:15<Sqrt{not}>sonce, so right now you are logged in directly as root ? what is your goal? what are you actually trying to do?
22:15<sonce>figure out why i cant just use sudo
22:15<sonce>i have to log out again ?
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22:16<Sqrt{not}>yes, if you were logged in as sonce before the group was added to that user, you should log it out and back in, if you need to run sudo for some goal.
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22:16<Sqrt{not}>but you could probably accomplish the goal while you are directly logged in as root.
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22:18<istrive_>any ideas?
22:19<sonce>i think that worked :)
22:19<John>Hi, can anybody help me with a Failed to start, (code=exited, status=200/CHDIR) issue?
22:20<quadrat>istrive_ you would probably want to hit up virtualbox support, not debian, as virtualbox is not in the repos (buster)
22:20<raven523>John: check the output before that line, though that sounds like it tried too use a directory that doesn't exist or where it doesn't have read/exec permissions
22:21<Sqrt{not}>sonce: OK, good. Use your new-found powers wisely ;)
22:21<John>This is the whole line: Process: 3113 ExecStart=/usr/bin/node /opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js (code=exited, status=200/CHDIR). I have tried editing the config.json file, and it changes the process error number, but fails each time
22:21<sonce>limited to basic coding :P
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22:21<sonce>ok, so is there a way to "check" if this installation is "healthy" coz i had nothing but throuble with it :
22:22<istrive_>quadrat, I have tried that venue, unfortunately without success! I was wondering if anyone here have faced the same challenge!
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22:22<raven523>what else is in the service file?
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22:24<imMute>John: redirect stdout/stderr to the journal for that service if it's not already. and then check the journal for error messages from the daemon
22:25<John>What do you mean by that? I am a complete novice with the pi thus far.. As if that wasn't obvious already. The service is a github file
22:25<quadrat>istrive_ i guess you can try, but pretty sure you get better changes in the virtualbox support channel
22:26<raven523>systemctl cat whatever.service
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22:27<John>pi@raspberrypi:~/ring-mqtt $ systemctl cat ring-mqtt.service # /lib/systemd/system/ring-mqtt.service #!/bin/sh - [Unit] Description=ring-mqtt After=network.target [Service] ExecStart=/usr/bin/node /opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js Restart=always User=root Group=root Environment=PATH=/usr/bin/ Environment=NODE_ENV=production Environment=DEBUG=ring-mqtt StandardOutput=file:/var/log/ring-mqtt.log StandardError=file:/var/log/ring-mqtt.log Working
22:27<raven523>does the directory /var/log exist?
22:27<sonce>brb
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22:28<yanmaani>is Debian going to drop Audacity what with the current events?
22:28<yanmaani>or change to some fork?
22:29<quadrat>yanmaani those patches are probably gonna be patched out
22:29<yanmaani>huh, under what circumstances would it get replaced by a fork?
22:29<yanmaani>like the ffmpeg thing
22:30<John>Would I access that (if it exists) by using cd ring-mqtt/var/log?
22:31<raven523>no just cd /var/log
22:31<John>It does exist
22:31<quadrat>yanmaani it's just very unlikely that debian will switch to a fork of somebody who nobody knows
22:32<yanmaani>quadrat: even if the development looks to be moving over?
22:32<raven523>does "journalctl -u ring-mqtt' give you a more useful message?
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22:32<sney>yanmaani: the current audacity package has a patch to remove some non-free stuff, so I think it's most likely that the next package will also patch out the new "phone home" features. but right now bullseye is frozen so there will be no new audacity uploads until sometime after the release
22:32<quadrat>yanmaani anything other than rumors? didn't see anything. and on top (just to compare libav) back then devs from ffmpeg switched over to libav
22:33<quadrat>so there was some credibility
22:34<John>[2850]: ring-mqtt.service: Changing to the requested working directory failed: No such file or directory Jul 06 20:22:30 raspberrypi systemd[2850]: ring-mqtt.service: Failed at step CHDIR spawning /usr/bin/node: No such file or directory. It says this for [2850, 2852, 2853, 2854, 2855, and 2871]
22:36<John>And [2872]. All have the same error
22:36<raven523>it looks like your message saying what the contents of ring-mqtt.service was got cut off right after "Working"
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22:36<raven523>what does it say for WorkingDirectory= ?
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22:38<John>requested working directory failed: No such file or directory
22:39<John>Or did you mean "WorkingDirectory=" as a command?
22:39<imMute>systemctl cat whatever.service
22:39<imMute>John: ^^
22:41<John>WorkingDirectory=/opt/ring-mqtt [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Alias=ring-mqtt.service
22:41<imMute>then /opt/ring-mqtt doesn't exist
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22:42<John>is the fix as simple as adding that directory, or is this a bigger issue?
22:43<imMute>that should fix that issue
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22:44<yanmaani>quadrat: no, I'm not following it closely, but I know there's some forks
22:44<John>How would I add that directory? Will it be missing things that the service is looking for?
22:44<imMute>does the program come with a README?
22:45<quadrat>yanmaani yes, but for now they are only "backup" forks
22:45<quadrat>i know there is 1 guy on reddit who tries to be the new upstream, but i never heard of that guy (but that doesn't say anything about him)
22:46<imMute>John: sudo mkdir /opt/ring-mqtt
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22:50<John>(code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) This is after adding the directory
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22:51<John>Changing to the requested working directory failed: No such file or directory
22:52<raven523>so it's probably dying for some other reason. check the journal or look at /var/log/ring-mqtt.log
22:52<imMute>John: is that a new message or the same old one?
22:52<raven523>this unit file doesn't specify RootDirectory, does it?
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22:55<John>Same old one. Where would it specify the root directory?
22:55<raven523>in /lib/systemd/system/ring-mqtt.service
22:56<John>It says that is not a directory
22:56<raven523>that's a file
22:57<John>Do I enter sudo /lib/systemd/system/ring-mqtt.service to access it? I apologize that I am not more educated with this
22:57<raven523>no just use a text editor
22:57<raven523>or cat it
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22:58<John>#!/bin/sh - [Unit] Description=ring-mqtt After=network.target [Service] ExecStart=/usr/bin/node /opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js Restart=always User=root Group=root Environment=PATH=/usr/bin/ Environment=NODE_ENV=production Environment=DEBUG=ring-mqtt StandardOutput=file:/var/log/ring-mqtt.log StandardError=file:/var/log/ring-mqtt.log WorkingDirectory=/opt/ring-mqtt [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Alias=ring-mqtt.service
22:59<raven523>it doesn't set RootDirectory, so it should just check that /opt/ring-mqtt exists
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23:01<John>Which it does
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23:01<raven523>is there anything in /var/log/ring-mqtt.log ?
23:02<imMute>raven523: I don't think they restarted the service and are looking at old log messages
23:02<John>internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:638 throw err; ^ Error: Cannot find module '/opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js' at Function.Module._resolveFilename (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:636:15) at Function.Module._load (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:562:25) at Function.Module.runMain (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:831:12) at startup (internal/bootstrap/node.js:283:19) at bootstrapNodeJSCore (internal/bootstrap/node.js:62
23:02<raven523>does /opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js exist?
23:03<imMute>ah, so it expects more stuff in there. check the README for the software - there's probably some install procedure you have to do
23:03<imMute>raven523: no, /opt/ring-mqtt/ was just created minutes ago
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23:04<John>cat: /opt/ring-mqtt/ring-mqtt.js: No such file or directory
23:05<raven523>you should probably set up whatever files are supposed to be in that directory
23:05<John>I followed the readme instructions again, and it has not changed anything as far as the errors go
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23:08<John>Is this normal? This is after running the readme scripts again. 46 packages are looking for funding
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23:09<raven523>that sounds normal for unning npm
23:09<raven523>*running
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23:11<John>There is also 3 vulnerabilities, could those be the issue?
23:11<John>All 3 are is regards to the ring-client-api
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23:15<John>Is there an easy way to erase all of the files except the OS so I can try again from scratch? I must have messed up somewhere
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23:32<sonce>can someone help get my microphone working please ?
23:33<Sqrt{not}>yanmaani, quadrat, sney, see bug #990737 "The telemetry is off by default when building from source" as debian does
23:33<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/990737 in audacity (open, upstream): «Audacity's new privacy policy may need to be addressed»; severity: important; opened: 2021-07-05; last modified: 2021-07-06.
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23:36<quadrat>Sqrt{not} thanks :)
23:36<sney>Sqrt{not}: great!
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