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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-09

---Logopened Fri Jul 09 00:00:03 2021
00:00<mrjpaxton[m]>I mean, to me, the fact that it works fine on my PC and a live environment, but not my my laptop is the most fascinating thing, and I still don't know why that is. So the root problem I need to solve is just that. There's no point in adding an extra key, because it won't solve the problem.
00:01<mrjpaxton[m]>So anyway, I'll keep prodding at it. It's just a problem of mine that's been going on for a while that I haven't tackled yet.
00:01<sney>does it work on a _bullseye_ live env? as in, same kernel, but not the bpo rebuild?
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00:03<mrjpaxton[m]>I could try that. It does work in Debian Buster. I tend to stay away from testing/unstable nowadays.
00:04<sney>bullseye will be released as debian 11 in a few weeks anyway, it's in a very predictable state atm
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00:08<mrjpaxton[m]>Oh great! I've really been looking forward to a new stable kernel 5+ if that's going to be in the new Debian release.
00:09<sney>yep, it's 5.10.0-7 which is kernel.org's 5.10.40-1
00:10<sney>looks like we might get 1 more update before the release but it's that series
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00:13<mrjpaxton[m]>One thing that I noticed is that the encrypted root of my OS has a digest hash of sha256, but the removable media has sha512. I don't know if that makes a huge difference, but you'd think that's be auto-detected.
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00:15<urk>I am getting too many lockups with Libreoffice so I am going to report the problem to that channel.
00:18<jhutchins>mrjpaxton[m]: Oh noes, the black hats are coming for your baby pictures!!!
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00:24<jhutchins>urk: Try one of the other forks, see if the same thing happens.
00:27<urk>You mean a different version of LibreOffice?
00:28<jhutchins>urk: Open, libre, free - there are four or five branches out there.
00:29<urk>I haven't actually checked, but assume the lock up is with the one in backports. However, typing slower does help a lot, and seems to avoid the problem. I am on a very fast computer with a 6 core Intel 9 processor so need to be careful as to what I am doing. I commonly type over 110 words a minute seemlessly
00:29<jhutchins>urk: You need to isolate the task you're trying to accomplish from the software you're trying to use.
00:30<urk>Not sure what you mean by that. The first lock up this evening was happening when using the export to direct pdf. And the 2nd one I don't recall.
00:31<urk>I posted in #libreoffice, but the channel isn't that active so not sure how much attention it will get.
00:32<jhutchins>If it's not internal to the code, it's a problem withe the target file/disk.
00:33<sney>you are most likely to get responses in project irc channels during working hours in north america and western europe. right now, we are off peak for both.
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00:40<mrjpaxton[m]>Okay, just an update. By some miracle it turns out that adding a line to `/etc/crypttab` such as this: `filebox /dev/disk/by-partlabel/filebox none luks,discard`and then running `cryptdisks_start filebox` and then entering the passphrase actually works correctly! So this is a good solution so far, but it still doesn't explain why `cryptsetup` won't work.
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01:07<Set-L>Hiya, I have an issue with my Nvidia GT 1030 in a Dell T610 server. Don't ask how I fit it. My issue is it's now flashing the journal(?) in white text on black background.
01:08<Set-L>If I reboot, I can get back into xfce4, but when I plug a USB HDD or something, I get switched to the journal screen, with those usual "assuming writeback cache" messages from attaching USB storage, and trying to change TTYs results in it changing back immediately to this flashing screen
01:09<Set-L>I am using a fresh install of Debian 10.10, with nvidia-dkms + dependencies installed, nouvea and mgag200 blacklisted in modprobe.
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01:10<Set-L>I have confirmed the card itself functions fine, using Windows 10 and some furmark, to test that the GPU was getting enough juice
01:10<Set-L>This only seems to happen when a message is added to this screen.
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01:22<aloo_shu>I'm running a minimal buster rootfs in a chroot under android, currently I stick at connectivity
01:22<aloo_shu>I can login fine, /dev, /dev/pts, /sys and /proc are bind-mounted into the chroot op link can see the devices, yet ping 8.8.8.8 is giving socket: Permissuin denied . What am I missing?
01:22<aloo_shu>s/I stick/I'm stuck/
01:23<aloo_shu>s/op link/ip link/
01:26<sney>smells like apparmor
01:27<aloo_shu>on which side, android or the chroot image?
01:28<sney>if it's apparmor then it would be debian. can you ping etc from a root shell directly on android?
01:28<aloo_shu>I doubt it, the rootfs image I'm using, was just 60MB comoressed, and is really minimal
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01:29<aloo_shu>yes I can
01:29<aloo_shu>and I'm root debian side, too
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01:29<aloo_shu>either a group I need to be in, or android and debian are keeping sockets in different places?
01:32<sney>sure, make sure you're in netdev, but I doubt it would make a difference for root.
01:32<sney>I assume android's support channels are on libera these days, that's probably more their area of expertise than here. AIUI if you've got root in the host, and root in the container, and something is still denying permission, it's some kind of access control layer.
01:32<sney>and if your debian chroot doesn't have apparmor, that leaves the host
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01:35<aloo_shu>hm, maybe it does. I see /lib/arm-linux-gnuabi/libapparmor.so.1.6.0
01:35<aloo_shu>how do I interface with it
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01:36<sney>that's more sarnold's area of expertise than mine, but I think the debian wiki has a good overview, https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse
01:36<aloo_shu>ok
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01:55<aloo_shu>hm I'm getting that cat /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled should show whether apparmor is enabled, yet the kernel I'm using from android, doesn't have that. How else could I let buster know that it is not expected to use apparmor
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02:35<aloo_shu>pretty sure now it's not apparmor, I've tried with a devuan rootfs image I had around, that one doesn't seem to use apparmor. I thought unix = everything is a file, so what exactly will a ping attempt to open?
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02:48<aloo_shu>hm quite a lot
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02:50<Set-L>Anyone able to help with my nvidia problem atm?
02:51<aloo_shu>mounting android's /system/bin over and prepending it to PATH, so that android's ping binary will be called, works
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03:29<jm_>Set-L: you need to at least explain some bits about the problem before anyone can reply to that
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03:30<jm_>ohh you did - why do you think it's related to nvidia?
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04:04<Set-L>jm_: Literally only because it's the only GPU in the system enabled
04:05<Set-L>I dunno, it's like the buttons to bring up dmesg/journal/whatever are being spammed constantly
04:05<Set-L>But there's nothing but a crap Dell 101 plugged in, and it doesn't cause these issues on any other system
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04:06<NthDegree>aloo_shu, Android kernels won't have AppArmor
04:06<ratrace>Set-L: sounds like TTYs switching to and from
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04:07<NthDegree>aloo_shu, is your ping marked as setuid?
04:07<ratrace>Set-L: which nvidia driver are you using?
04:07<NthDegree>aloo_shu, the ping command needs root capabilities I believe to do RAW sockets for the purpose of sending/receiving ICMP directly
04:07<ratrace>android uses selinux
04:07<aloo_shu>NthDegree: I'm invoking it as root
04:08<aloo_shu>I can copy over busybox into my chroot, and use busybox ping, and that works
04:08<jm_>Set-L: sounds like either what ratrace said above or maybe pager
04:09<NthDegree>aloo_shu, have you disabled SELinux as ratrace pointed out? :)
04:09<NthDegree>aloo_shu, root on Android isn't root by default, it's locked down still
04:09<aloo_shu>that android 4.2.2 does not seem to have selinux
04:09<ratrace>why are we supporting android (the OS context) in #debian? :)
04:10<aloo_shu>as I said, busybox ping is working from _within_ the chroot, that should rule out a few options
04:10<NthDegree>aloo_shu, what does getenforce give you?
04:11<NthDegree>Some 4.2 releases had SELinux enabled
04:11<NthDegree>ratrace, I agree, this should go to -offtopic really ^.^
04:11<aloo_shu>/sys/fs/selinux doesn't exist
04:12<ratrace>I'm not sure android/linux uses selinux in the same userland context as a gnu/linux distro would
04:12<aloo_shu>it exists on the tablet I'm chatting from
04:12<ratrace>android/linux _is_ heavily modified after all, evenmoreso vendor specific and... totally offtopic 'ere :)
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04:14<aloo_shu>I am not trying to fo anything to android. I'm trying to run debian in a chroot. I'm also not trying to argue, or trying to take away valuable channel space.
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06:29<h3ndr1k>somiaj: For now it seems that indeed kernel 4.19.0-17 was the problem. The routers are now running on 4.19.0-16 and this consistent packet loss is gone.
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06:31<h3ndr1k>Does someone have a link to a changelog of waht changed between 4.19.0-16 and 4.19.0-17? I'm not sure where to look for these kernel related things.
06:33<h3ndr1k>Oh, I'm probably confusing kernel version and package version.
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06:44<crab>hi, i have an hp microserver gen 10, and ive added a radeon wx2100 pcie gfx card. im running kvm with a debian testing host, and a debian testing guest.
06:44<crab>gpu passthrough "works" in that i can get an x display on my radeon from the guest,
06:44<crab>however restarting the host or guest, with the guest started freezes my hypervisor.
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06:45<crab>additionally, if i allocate more than about a gb of ram to the guest, then X doesnt seem to start up.
06:45<crab>oddly, ive just attached the card to a windows 10 guest and that seems to work a lot better.
06:45<crab>if anyone has any ideas, id be grateful.
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07:34<vincent->Hello. I need some help. I'm using a preseed to automate the Debian installation. In that preseed file I'm specifying that I want to use a local mirror. My local mirror is a snapshot from some day in the past. The problem I'm having is that the installation stops when it detects the buster-updates repo has an expired "Valid-Until" entry. I couldn't find a way to disable check-valid-until in the preseed file, so what
07:34<vincent->I tried was removing the Valid-Until entry from the InRelease file of that repo. However, that also fails because the file is signed. Any suggestions on how to solve this situation?
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07:39<vincent->Is there is a way to automatically dismiss that error during the installation, then that would also work. If I do it manually the installation proceeds because the buster-updates repo is not critical during the installation.
07:39<vincent->Is there a way to know which "d-i ..." thing I need to put in the preseed file so that error is automatically dismissed?
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07:45<vincent->I've read through this, but apparently there wasn't any conclusion: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771699
07:45<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/771699 in debian-installer (open, d-i): «Improve Valid-Until support in d-i & debootstrap»; severity: important; opened: 2014-12-01; last modified: 2016-04-18.
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08:44<erle->When will Sid finally get new packages again? At Bullseye freeze or at bullseye release?
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08:44<erle->differently put: when will testing switch to the new name?
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08:45<amacater>Bullseye release day. Bullseye has effectively been freezing by degrees since Jan.
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10:37<somiaj>h3ndr1k: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect -- depending on how much testing you can do, you can sometimes trackdown the commit this way
10:38<somiaj>h3ndr1k: you could also look at the git commits between the two versions on kernel.org git server.
10:39<somiaj>h3ndr1k: and yes, you need to look at actual kernel versions, not just debian version. Note debian also applies patches, so you may also need to see if any of the debian patches changed between the two versions as well, but I would start by looking at the kernel git commits
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11:05<vincent->Is there a way to run a command in background from a preseed file? I'm trying this, but as soon as the partitioner starts it doesn't move from the 0%. It looks like despite of running the function in background the control flow stops right there. https://paste.debian.net/1203914/
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11:44<wwilliam>Is there a way to just rsync an ammount of files only. like let's say chunks of 50
11:48<ratrace>wwilliam: You mean, transfer 50 files and then stop?
11:48<wwilliam>Yes.
11:48<ratrace>I don't think so. It's not really it's purpose. Why?
11:50<wwilliam>Well I have a "script" that rsyncs and then goes on and do something else but by the time the rsync finishes with 1000 + files another program gets the initial files
11:50<wwilliam>and process them but since the script is not finished errors show up in the initial files.
11:51<ratrace>so don't let the other program process them until rsync is done?
11:51<wwilliam>so I need to process to the end before continuing the rsync.
11:51<wwilliam>That other one is not my program I do not have control of that one.
11:51<ratrace>you can rsync to a different folder, then atomically rename when it's done
11:52<wwilliam>:) nice Thank you.
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11:54<ratrace>wwilliam: alternatively, prepare lists of files to transfer in batches and make rsync transfer by those lists
11:56<wwilliam>OK Thank you.
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14:18<sarnold>aloo_shu: ping either needs raw networking capabilities to create the icmp packets and receive the replies, or it can use the kernel's ICMP_PROTO support if ping_group_range is set to allow users to use these sockets
14:18<sarnold>aloo_shu: ping has historically been setuid root, but I don't think that works on android kernels
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15:21<vincent->Hello. Somehow I ended up having installed an older version of libcurl4 from the buster-backports repository. Later, when I was trying to install curl it was not possible because it depends on a newer version of libcurl4. However, that newer version is available from the buster repo, so I don't understand why it doesn't try to update libcurl4 using the version from the buster repo. Anyway, I also tried to do a
15:21<vincent->dist-upgrade, but the libcurl4 package was not updated despite of having a newer version in the buster repo. I have fixed it by manually uninstalling libcurl4 and installing curl, which pulled in the newer version from the buster repo. Does anyone know why curl was refusing to install in the first place? And also, why dist-upgrade was not updating libcurl4?
15:22<ratrace>!bat
15:22<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:22<sney>sometimes upgrades from bpo packages are not exactly smooth, they aren't tested as extensively
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15:34<vincent->ratrace, all the info provided here: https://paste.debian.net/1203944/
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15:37<sney>ok, 7.74 in bpo is > 7.64 in buster. apt will not "upgrade" to a lower version, even if it was uploaded more recently.
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15:47<vincent->Uhm..., I think I should disable the backports repo by default, and enable it only when I need really need to install something from it.
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15:48<vincent->sney, is that even possible?
15:50<sney>of course, you can comment out repos that you don't use often
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15:51<vincent->Uhm..., no, I think there must be something wrong in my system. In theory nothing should be installed from the backports repo unless explicitly specified. According to this: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
15:51<ratrace>backports repo, no need to comment out. it won't upgrade to buster-backports unless you explicitly tell it to with -t
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15:51<ratrace>I reckon the same applies to "switching" to newer version in buster, which is an anomaly anyway
15:52<sney>unless you did something like 'apt -t buster-backports upgrade', which would make apt prefer those packages for everything
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15:53<vincent->I did not do that.
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15:57<vincent->I think it must have been because I installed a few monitoring packages from the backport repo, and that should haved pulled in plenty of stuff from the backports repo.
15:57<vincent->I will double check if I really need those packages from backports or not.
15:57<sney>ah yes, dependencies will do it too.
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16:03<sproutnikus>Bonsoir
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16:03<sney>!fr
16:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
16:03<sney>or use english here :)
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16:10<ratrace>sney: à la gâchette facile pour une bonne soirée simple :)
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16:11<sussudio>blaireau.
16:13<ratrace>champignon? :)
16:15<vv221>sussudio: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Badger-badger.jpg/640px-Badger-badger.jpg or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Rasierpinsel.jpg/640px-Rasierpinsel.jpg ?
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17:20<jason1237>do you know how to debootstrap a rootfs of slackare amd64 14.x using a debian machine?
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17:26<sney>"debootstrap" is a debian-specific tool, it can't bootstrap non-apt/deb distros. you will have to ask slackware support for their equivalent for pkgtool/slackpkg, if such a thing exists
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21:15<sarnold>aloo_shu: heh, full ack on that
21:15<aloo_shu>I got a different problem at the moment: I'm using cronjobs & rtcwake to keep a remote machine suspended if no one is logged in, with a few login windows. Now debian cron treats clock changes < 3 h specially, and this can apparantly result in running cronjobs that *would* have run had the machine not been suspended, running as soon as it's waking up from suspend to ram. Is there a
21:15<aloo_shu>(undocimented?) way to disable this bevaviour, e.g. in /etc/default/cron , so that cron will not attempt running missed jobs at all?
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21:19<sarnold>aloo_shu: that sounds a bit like 'anacron' -- if you've got that installed, take a quick look at what it claims to do, and see if you'd be happier with it purged
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21:27<aloo_shu>I think I have, but anacron afaik only deals with its own set of jobs, and only interferes with the run-parts run jobs from daily, weekly etc. dir
21:27<sarnold>ohhh. hmm.
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21:28<aloo_shu>"Unlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine is running continuously" (man anacron) - it's that assumption I need to deal with. Unfortunately, anacron does not look after hourly jobs, or it could be a solution candidate
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21:30<aloo_shu>nah, neither, it also tries to execute missed jobs, in a different way, I need a hack, probably
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21:57<aloo_shu>man cron suggests that the undesirable behaviour won't happen if minute or hour are a wildcard in the crontab entry, so I'm using tests now where I had an hour range (every hour from 0 - 12, check if aloo isn't connected and perhaps just forgot to suspend, and suspend) before. The whole idea is energy saving, but when these jobs are re-run as soon as the machine is waking up at the
21:57<aloo_shu>sheduled time, then it will suspend immediately instead of waiting for logins for a couple of minutes
21:57<aloo_shu>thanks for being my rubber duck :)
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21:58<sarnold>quack quack quack :)
21:59<sarnold>actually, I'm pretty good as rubberduckies go
21:59<sarnold>so far at least two successes today :)
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22:03<aloo_shu>nice
22:03<sarnold>aloo_shu: btw, should this be replaced with a few settings in logind.conf? if you set IdleAction=suspend and IdleActionSec=300 it might do basically what you want, suspend the machine after five minutes of idle.. of course I'm not exactly sure what 'idle' means in this context, if it means 'no one logged in' or if it means 'the keyboard and mouse haven't been touched in a while'
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22:12<aloo_shu>too vague, also not what I want - I might be idle for hours but want the machine to be available. wake on lan would be ideal, but the hw doesn't support it. But a long standing wish wrt power management's notion of 'idle': media players should have a way to count as non-idle.
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22:15<sarnold>I think they do, they can at least inhibit screensavers these days
22:15<sarnold>oh there's also systemd-inhibit(1)
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