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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-10

---Logopened Sat Jul 10 00:00:04 2021
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00:03-!-silver is "Jesse Lee Morgan" on #debian-ai @#neuro-debian @#debian-neuro #neurodebian @#oracle @#experimental #oftc #moocows #C #mm #linux #wayland #debian-nginx #debian-kde #debian-next #debian @#debian-support #debian-netfilter #debian-devel-changes #minidebconf-online #debian-meeting #debconf-cambridge
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01:25<jhutchins>!crony
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01:38<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I'd like to know which are the packages needed to to installling and configuring a Debian environment for Development in Rust.
01:38<r4fkramer>'cargo' is one of them. But, what about the others ?
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01:57<mtj>folks, is it possible to upgrade 2 debian versions in one upgrade?
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01:58<mtj>.. or are only single version upgrades possible
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02:01<jhutchins>mtj: Complete them sequentially. Review/test the first upgrade before starting the second.
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02:10<Angel>cómo se usa esto?
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05:36<CryptoSiD>Hi, is there any hope for "zstd" support in Debian dpkg?
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05:37<CryptoSiD>I'm having issue with "mainline" since the latest kernel has been released: dpkg-deb: error: archive 'amd64/linux-image-unsigned-5.13.1-051301-generic_5.13.1-051301.202107071335_amd64.deb' uses unknown compression for member 'control.tar.zst', giving up
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05:38<ratrace>CryptoSiD: iirc you need zstd userland for that kernel option to work (that's initramfs compression option, amirite?)
05:39<CryptoSiD>That's a good question, unfortunately I'm not aware of this. It used to work fine but they probably changed the compression method since the latest kernel?
05:41<ratrace>new options were added, and building the kernel with those required userland support, iirc
05:41<ratrace>I mean, just apt install zstd, and see if taht fixes the build
05:41<CryptoSiD>I see :) Is there any plan to add the "userland" compression method to dpkg on Debian buster?
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05:42<CryptoSiD>it's already installed, unfortunately it's not fixing the installation of the latest kernel
05:42<ratrace>maybe you'll have to disable the zstd options from the kernel then
05:42<ratrace>I no longer have that debian build handy where I built the upstream kernels
05:42<ratrace>(actually, wait, I have the configs in the backup...)
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05:44<ratrace>right, I'm talking about something else (CONFIG_HAVE_KERNEL_ZSTD, CONFIG_RD_ZSTD)... and that was for 5.13.0. that's not the problem you're having, is it?
05:45<ratrace>yeah, control.tar.zst is deb packaging thingy.... bug #892664
05:45<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/892664 in dpkg (open, patch, moreinfo): «dpkg: Please add decompression support for zstd»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2018-03-11; last modified: 2021-01-10.
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05:46<CryptoSiD>yep, seems like the problem I'm encountering. That bug has been opened since 2018 :/
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05:50<otisolsen70>I have a program that depends on a newer version of libheif than the one that comes with buster. Should I rather install libheif from source? Or is there some backports that is significantly newer?
05:52<ratrace>,v libheif1
05:52<judd>Package: libheif1 on amd64 -- buster: 1.3.2-2~deb10u1; bullseye: 1.11.0-1; sid: 1.11.0-1; experimental: 1.12.0-1
05:52<ratrace>otisolsen70: which one do you need?
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06:04<otisolsen70>ratrace, not sure. I have run in to this problem described here: https://github.com/carsales/pyheif/issues/1 it seems to be caused by an old version of libheif shipped with buster. So I want to try with a newer one. Comment: "fdoumet commented on Oct 22, 2019" suggest to build and install libheif from source. And I am worried doing that might break other stuff that is actually working on the system.
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06:05<otisolsen70>And I guess I have a general aversion of just building and installing unmanaged/unpackaged libraries globally on a debian system if I can avoid it.
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06:06<gry>how do i list all currently available samba shares on debian?
06:06<cusco>iirc smbinfo ?
06:06<gry>i set them up a long time ago, but forgot which
06:06<gry>checking
06:06<ratrace>judd: checkbackport libheif --fromrelease bullseye --torelease buster
06:06<judd>Backporting package libheif in bullseye→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), libde265-dev (>= 1.0.7).
06:07<gry>what package is smbinfo in?
06:07<ratrace>otisolsen70: for what use case specifically is this? can you try it in a bullseye chroot, see of that fixes the issues?
06:09<gry>cusco: what package is that? i'm not seeing it in my searches by that command name
06:09<cusco>gry: sorry might be smbstatus, try that instead
06:10<cusco>or smbstatus --shares
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06:17<gry>cusco: thank you
06:17<otisolsen70>ratrace, this is in order to have pyhief work with python
06:18<otisolsen70>ratrace, when I do pip3 install pyheif it fails with the errors mentioned in the issue linked before
06:18<otisolsen70>ratrace, not sure how to interpret what was output from judd
06:19<otisolsen70>ratrace, does that mean that there is no backports on that package?
06:19<ratrace>otisolsen70: well judd suggests you can't backport via !ssb due to libde265-dev dependency not being satisfiable on buster
06:19<ratrace>,v libde265-dev
06:19<judd>Package: libde265-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9-1; stretch: 1.0.2-2+b2; buster: 1.0.3-1+b1; bullseye: 1.0.8-1; sid: 1.0.8-1
06:19<NthDegree>otisolsen70, are you up for upgrading to Bullseye as a solution? It's coming out very very soon
06:20<ratrace>^ this is what I was aiming at, upgrade to bullseye, if teh bullseye chroot test fixes the issue
06:20<NthDegree>like if all goes well, July 31st soon
06:20<ratrace>that date.... is a nope.
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06:20<cusco>earlier! (evil eyes)
06:20<ratrace>most likely end of august if not sometime in september
06:21<ratrace>UNLESS they hold a hackaton and rush the endgame thus destroying my projections based on linear extrapolation of RC bug count for the past several weeks (That I often joke about with xkcd #605)
06:22<ratrace>but if linear extrapolation holds ... august/september it is
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06:25<otisolsen70>NthDegree, not really if I can avoid it... This machine is doing lots of important stuff. Would like to keep it stable. But I have a box somewhere that runs bullseye. I can try to run it on that.
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06:26<ratrace>otisolsen70: it's also not that difficult to build a bullseye container just for that one python application use
06:26<NthDegree>otisolsen70, might be worth using lxc or chroot with a minimal bullseye until it's released
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06:28<gry>hm, i wonder why it would let one user login, but not another, into a samba share. our user groups are identical. smb.conf http://paste.debian.net/plain/1203966
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06:30<otisolsen70>NthDegree, not sure how to make such a chroot. But that might be the way to go.
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06:30<NthDegree>otisolsen70, have a look at debootstrap and schroot :)
06:30<otisolsen70>ratrace, would it work just building the venv on the bullseye machine and then moving it to my buster server and running the python app from there?
06:30<NthDegree>debootstrap makes a minimal debian install inside a folder and then schroot allows you to have (trusted) regular users chroot into the new location
06:31<ratrace>otisolsen70: it might. I don't know if compiled python code is venv-relative for ldd or it requires system paths. TIAS
06:31<ratrace>otisolsen70: you'd have one big problem to solve tho. python on bullseye is 3.9, and you don't have that on buster, there it's 3.7
06:31<NthDegree>gry, do both users have smbpasswds? =)
06:32<otisolsen70>ratrace, ok. I guess I will try setting up a bullseye chroot
06:32<ratrace>otisolsen70: I had such an issue and I was forced to build 3.7 on bullseye from tarball sources, and link the venv with that
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06:32<ratrace>(my problem was the other way around, I bumped the dev server to bullseye prematurely, and our main python app still requires 3.7)
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06:33<NthDegree>otisolsen70, also if Debian Bullseye itself turns out to not be enough, you can also debootstrap Ubuntu versions too (it's worth keeping that in mind just in case)
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06:34<otisolsen70>I need to run a cronjob each day. Does it make sense to craete a chroot and run a cronjob inside that? The cronjob will need to process lots of data that resides outside of that chroot.
06:34<gry>NthDegree: that's correct, one of the users didn't have it set. thank you
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06:41<otisolsen70>NthDegree, interesting re ubuntu. But will such a debootstrap chroot be possible to invoke via crontab from outside the chroot? And will the process running inside the chroot be able to process files that reside outside of the chroot?
06:43<NthDegree>otisolsen70, you'd have to write a script for cron to execute
06:44<NthDegree>or alternatively, you might be able to get systemd to do it with timers (not tried that myself)
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06:46<NthDegree>because systemd has RootDirectory as a config option and can have bindmounts configured with BindPaths
06:47*NthDegree stans for Lennart
06:47<ratrace>otisolsen70: you can run things inside chroots, from outside cronjobs. the chroot(8) command actually takes the binary to run as the implicit param (defaults to current $SHELL as command)
06:47<ratrace>sorry, chroot(1)
06:48<ratrace>but definitely nspawn would be better as that already binds all the dependencies (which you can tweak) and isolates better. chroot is... old but no longer sufficient in 2021 for many things.
06:49<ratrace>(and then the other way around, grub install and friends can't work in nspawn'ed isolated environments, they need classic "dumb" (no advanced namespacing) chroots)
06:49<NthDegree>you know what? you might not even need chroot
06:49<NthDegree>fakechroot *might* be enough
06:49<NthDegree>since isolation isn't the goal in either event, just making an app work on buster which wouldn't otherwise work
06:50<ratrace>it's not but nspawn already creates (isolated) dev and proc so it can be used as a single command for service ExecStart and things like that
06:50<ratrace>with chroot you'd need that setup first, and teardown
06:51<ratrace>at the very least python would require dev due to /dev/{null,zero} and friends
06:51<NthDegree>that's true
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07:13<otisolsen70>NthDegree, correct. Isolation is not the goal here. It is just to provide the depenencies for pyhief to work. However, I am not sure if I will be able to process files outside the chroot/fakeroot?
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07:14<NthDegree>otisolsen70, you totally can with bindmounts, just bindmount the stuff you need to a location inside the chroot
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07:16<NthDegree>to do it "by the book" you'd likely want to use a fresh mount namespace (e.g. unshare -m)
07:16<ratrace>nspawn can do all that in single command invocation, thus suitable for a .service
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07:17<NthDegree>yeah, it's a swiss army knife and even seems to support overlays
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07:19<vv221>About Bullseye container on Buster, here I use nspawn the other way around: Buster containers on Sid. It is a great tool if you are already using systemd.
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07:19<vv221>Like suggested, I use bind mounts to give the container access to some paths of the host.
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07:55<otisolsen70>NthDegree, this seems to be a bit over my head to actually pull off. I guess I will jus thave to wait for bullseye to be released.
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07:57<NthDegree>otisolsen70, might be worth testing in a VM ahead of time just to make sure it works for you
07:57<NthDegree>that way if it doesn't you can either raise a bug or find a distro where it does =)
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08:50<otisolsen70>NthDegree, just tried it on a physical laptop that is running bullseye. The app works there.
08:51<otisolsen70>NthDegree, is there a schedule to when bullseye will become new stable?
08:52<bremner>!wwbr
08:52<dpkg>Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is July 31st 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. Stuff may slip but July 31 is hoped for.
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08:58<otisolsen70>bremner, thanks!
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09:10<RoyK>,v haproxy
09:10<judd>Package: haproxy on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.7.5-2; stretch-backports: 1.8.19-1+deb10u2~bpo9+1; buster-security: 1.8.19-1+deb10u2; buster: 1.8.19-1+deb10u3; buster-backports: 2.2.9-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.2.9-2; sid: 2.2.9-2; experimental: 2.4.2-1
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09:27<vv221>otisolsen70, beware, I read here and there that the 31/07 target is very optimistic, so don’t be surprised if it takes a couple extra weeks ;)
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09:34<otisolsen70>vv221, that is fine. I have been working on getting this to work since nov2020. So I can wait a few weeks :)
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09:48<ratrace>debian release date: https://imgur.com/a/UOnXxTf
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11:11<otisolsen70>Is there a command to show the top X processes consuming CPU right now? And same for memory. I guess it should be possible using 'ps' but not sure how.
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11:19<petn-randall>otisolsen70: `top` can do that, though I recommend using `htop`.
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11:19<otisolsen70>petn-randall, yeah, but I need something that is non interactive.
11:19<otisolsen70>petn-randall, I want a cronjob to periodically log this.
11:19<jimpop>is there a default limit on number of virtual eth0:* interfaces that can be created?
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11:20<bentham>otisolsen70: https://paste.debian.net/1203976/
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11:20<bentham>(that one is for memory)
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11:20<vv221>otisolsen70, try that for CPU usage:
11:20<vv221>ps aux --sort=-pcpu | head
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11:22<vv221>In `man ps`, look for "STANDARD FORMAT SPECIFIERS" to see what you can give to --sort
11:22<vv221>(should be %cpu instead of pcpu in my example, the last one being obsolete)
11:24<vv221>A bit better, to get the 5 process that are currently eating the most CPU:
11:24<vv221>ps a --sort=-%cpu | head --lines=6 | tail +2
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11:33<nurupo>https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2019-03-10-debian-winding-down/
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11:36<bremner>yes, and?
11:37<bremner>developers come and go. It's a normal part of any project beyond a certain size.
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11:40<bentham>Philosophical differences are common. Speaking personally, I like the way Debian manages packages, and I do not believe that Mr Stapelberg's suggestions would improve Debian. Frankly, I think they would disrupt a delicate balance of security and trust.
11:40<nurupo>just an interesting read, an ex-DD points out some issues with debian's infrastructure and how people responsible for it are unwilling to accept contributions improving the situation
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11:41<bremner>fair enough. #debian-offtopic would be a good place to continue this discussion, since it's not about support, and this is a support channel.
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11:42<nurupo>oh, actually, they don't say that they quit being DD, just "treat me as permanently on vacation", so i might have jumped the gun there with the ex-DD
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11:46<nurupo>didn't realize that discussing debian was off-topic in #debian
11:47<nurupo>will keep in mind that this is a support-only channel then
11:47<vv221>Well, #debian is actually short for #debian-support ;)
11:48<vv221>(for some reason I though there was a mention of this being a support channel in /topic, but it looks like I imagined it)
11:48<bremner>probably you are thinking of !chat
11:48<nurupo>well, i'm new to oftc, so like i said, will keep this in mind moving forward :P
11:49<vv221>Right, that must have been !chat, I probably end up reading it a couple times every week ;)
11:51<NthDegree>nurupo, this is the strict AF network :p
11:52<NthDegree>-offtopic is well populated though with most of the same folks
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13:08<CryptoSiD>If anyone got a solution for this I'd really appreciate: https://dpaste.com/FH9MLP7ZP
13:08<CryptoSiD>Not sure what's happening but it was working fine till 5.13.0-5
13:09<sney>see that repeat error, "uses unknown compression"?
13:09<sney>try installing the tools to deal with that compression type.
13:09<CryptoSiD>The tool is "zstd" but it's already installed?
13:10<sney>also, mixing debian with random ubuntu kernels is not a supported configuration
13:10<CryptoSiD>Unless there's something else needed?
13:10<sney>ah right, it's probably the dpkg tools then. ubuntu may have added zstd support whereas debian hasn't yet.
13:11<sney>in any case, #ubuntu on libera is more flexible about supporting random frankenstein distros, so you will probably get better support there
13:12<CryptoSiD>I'm not welcome on libera, I'll pass on the reasons.
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13:15<CryptoSiD>The issue I have with linux-image-amd64 from debian is this: Jul 10 13:14:43 Debian maldet[2692]: maldet(2692): {mon} kernel does not support inotify(), aborting.
13:15<CryptoSiD>that's why I moved to mainline kernels
13:15<CryptoSiD>this issue started ~5 months ago
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13:17<Guest401>Howdy howdy
13:18<Guest401>anyone here familiar with whonix?
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13:18<Guest401>particularly setting up OTR for hexchat in whonix
13:18<jmcnaught>!whonix
13:18<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. If you are new to linux try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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13:18<jmcnaught>Guest401: ^ they have their own channel
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13:27<quality>Thanks jmcnaught!
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14:49<otisolsen70>bentham, thanks
14:49<otisolsen70>vv221, thanks!
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14:52<wwilliam>!paste
14:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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15:00<bleb>so i'm in this situation again
15:00<bleb>computer attached to tv has no input device, laptop can't connect to tv
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15:01<bleb>is there any way to simulate an input device over the network?
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15:04<quadrat>bleb there is barrier, where you can use the keyboard and mouse on another device. you still would need to configure it beforehand
15:06<bleb>can it be configured over ssh
15:07<xdrt[m]>when bullseye gets frozen does testing become something else?
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15:10<quadrat>bleb afaik well you can drop over a config file
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15:14<bleb>thanks for the tip
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15:17<jhutchins>bleb: I suspect that this is not the best route to what you want to end up with, but let's look at this.
15:18<jhutchins>Is the ccomputer some unusual device, like maybe within the TV itself?
15:18<bleb>no, its just a computer
15:18<NthDegree>xdrt[m], I believe it changes upon release
15:18<bleb>but i have no usb keyboard or mouse here
15:18<NthDegree>xdrt[m], upon release, stable becomes oldstable and testing becomes stable
15:19<jhutchins>bleb: Then why not just connect to peripherals, then clean up when you're done.
15:19<bleb>peripherals?
15:19<bleb>like a keyboard or mouse?
15:19<jhutchins>Keyboard, monitor, mouse.
15:19<bleb>well it has a monitor (the tv)
15:19<jhutchins>Cassette tape player...
15:19<bleb>keyboard and mouse would make this a whole lot easier i agree
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15:20<jhutchins>bleb: borrow them from something else.
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15:20<bleb>yeah that would be easier if there were a single usb keyboard in this entire house
15:20<jhutchins>bleb: TVs as primary displays often need some tweaking to work.
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15:20<bleb>well this one works well enough to see the login screen
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15:21<jhutchins>See if you can borrow a USB keyboard and mouse from the IT department at work. Most places have surpluses of them now because everybody's going wireless.
15:22<bleb>or i could just order one on ebay
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15:23<bleb>or drive 2 hours home and get the wireless keyboard/mouse that is meant to be used with the tv computer
15:23<bleb>but i would sooner just not use it
15:23<bleb>hence my question
15:24<quadrat>bleb i would recommend autologin as barrier doesn't work during login
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15:24<bleb>so set up autologin and barrier over ssh
15:24<bleb>then connect with barrier
15:24<quadrat>yeah
15:24<bleb>seems doable
15:25<jhutchins>THere like ltsp that would give you remote control. You could set up VNC and use that.
15:29<jhutchins>Commercial servers often have built-in out-of-bandwidth control systems, but that's asking a bit much.
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15:31<bleb>i have worse troubles now...
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15:32<bleb>router is letting me log in from lan, but i can't ping 9.9.9.9
15:32<bleb>from the tv computer that is
15:32<bleb>so its connecting to the lan but doesn't have access to the internet
15:32<bleb>except my laptop on the same lan does have access to the internet
15:34<bleb>ah never mind, must be an ipv6 thing
15:34<bleb>i can't ping 9.9.9.9 but i can ping google.com
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15:34<bleb>though it is strange that i can ping 9.9.9.9 from my laptop
15:34<bleb>whatever
15:35<bleb>i can download barrier and set up autologin
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15:55<ponow>Hi, in Gnome on Buster, Desktop folder doesn't seem to work as expected: files inside Desktop don't appear on the Gnome desktop. How to fix?
15:59<Sqrt{not}>ponow, it works for me. Are you putting the files in ~Desktop (i.e. /home/your-user/Desktop/) ?
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16:02<ponow>Sqrt{not}: yes, I have some jpg's in ~/Desktop, but they don't appear on the Desktop.
16:02<jhutchins>bleb: That would be a route/gateway problem.
16:03<bleb>well i have autologin working
16:03<bleb>barrier installed on both computers
16:03<bleb>now how to configure barrier and how to start it over ssh
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16:05<ponow>I also can't drag files from ~/Documents to Desktop: the action seems to "bounce back".
16:06<ponow>I'm on i386 for an ancient imac4,1 from 2006, so I couldn't get Wayland working, had to switch to xorg on radeon driver.
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16:08<Sqrt{not}>ponow, when you say "don't appear" do you mean you see nothing about them, or that you don't see the actual picture contents?
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16:12<ponow>Sqrt{not}: there are no items, no pictures, nothing on the Gnome desktop, though ~/Desktop has jpg's.
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16:30<bleb>wow the barrier thing actually worked
16:31<bleb>jhutchins: good suggestion :)
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16:53<acidsys>Hai I'm sure this has been asked somewhere on the internet before but I could not find the right search terms. Is there any issue with having a hard drive partitioned with partition numbers (i.e. /dev/sdaX) having gaps inbetween them? i.e. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda3 but no /dev/sda2?
16:54<acidsys>More a generic Linux question but figured I'll bugger debian :]
16:54<sney>no issue, partition numbers don't need to be sequential
16:54<acidsys>cool that was quick, thank you!
16:54<sney>np
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17:38<jhutchins>I suppose you could call a partition /dev/sda_fred
17:39<jhutchins>LVM and USB drive allow you to work with the whole device, just /dev/sda
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18:41<Izty>Hello, I have a crontab job that I run every day with the @daily keyword. I also have a @weekly job. I'd like to run the @weekly one after the @daily one. Is the crontab file ordered?
18:42<Izty>Like, if I put my @daily in the line just before the @weekly, will it be executed before @weekly and will the @weekly wait for the @daily to be done before starting?
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18:49<mayhew>Izty: I doubt you get any ordering guarantees. Maybe set the times manually rather than use @weekly/@daily sugar.
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19:02<Izty>mayhew: Ok I'll keep doing as I do: Everyday except saturday for the daily and the weekly calls the dailies
19:02<Izty>Thanks :)
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22:30<SZO>Hey there, Im having a bit of a problem with a shared library
22:30<SZO>when I run sudo ldd libtaskmanagerplugin.so
22:30<SZO>I get
22:31<SZO> libpipewire-0.3.so.0 => not found
22:31<SZO>So I have to remove that shared object somehow as a dependancy for libtaskmanagerplugin.so
22:32<SZO>I purposely removed libpipewire-0.3.so.0 because I was wiping out all traces of pipewire and now kde taskmanager wont work because its linked to that library which is no longer there
22:32<SZO>I have run ldconfig and now im just hunting for way to try and correct this
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22:35<sussudio>are you running some kind of frankendebian, SZO
22:36<sussudio>,i libpipewire
22:36<judd>No package named 'libpipewire' was found in buster/amd64.
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22:36<SZO>No just debian testing, I compiled pipewire from source but then I discovered I would have to install packages that were nont in the repos so I turned back
22:36<sussudio>,i libpipewire-0.3-dev
22:36<judd>No package named 'libpipewire-0.3-dev' was found in buster/amd64.
22:38<SZO>So after I removed all of the traces of pipewire and deleted the libpipewire-0.3.so.0 file it was dynamically linked to libtaskmanagerplugin.so
22:38<sussudio>,v libpipewire-0.3-dev
22:38<judd>Package: libpipewire-0.3-dev on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.3.19-4; sid: 0.3.19-4; experimental: 0.3.31-1
22:39<sussudio>looks like you need to be running bullseye for that
22:40<SZO>yea I installed it from the repo originally but it lacked a feature I needed, so I tried from source but it required a newer version of libc6 which was not available
22:40<SZO>So I did not move forward to prevent a frankendebian situation
22:41<SZO>Is there any way to remove a dependancy from an .so file?
22:41<sussudio>it's not going to work properly, if at all, is it
22:41<Sqrt{not}>SZO, maybe re-install the debian version of libpipewire-0.3-dev -- also for testing/bullseye, it is recommended to ask in #debian-next
22:42<SZO>alright I'll jump over there, thanks for the help anyways
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23:20-!-Celelibi is "Alors, il est beau mon whois ?" on #syslinux #debian-next #idle #llvm #linux #debian
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