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02:24<Lantizia>Am I going to get shot for asking for an opinion? :D
02:24<Lantizia>i.e. a no right answer - kind of thing :P
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02:26<SZO>Let me radio the sharpshooters to hold fire first
02:27<Lantizia>ok :) I'll wait
02:28<SZO>Ok theyre taking coffee.
02:28<Lantizia>ok I'll try to be quick :)
02:29<Lantizia>If you've got an application which is a multitude of indivisible files (e.g. scripts, binaries, libraries, images, markup files, etc...)... which might be a PHP-based web app or Python/uWSGI-based web app...
02:30<Lantizia>Is the best home... /usr/local/share/<webappname>/ /opt/<webappname>/ /srv/<webappname>/ /var/www/<webappname>/
02:30<Lantizia>or other? :D
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02:30<Lantizia>and to make matters more complicatated - i have one which goes inside a python virtual environment and I've noticed debian now packages those to run in /opt/venvs/<packagename>/
02:31<Lantizia>but I've no idea what the 'local' (i.e. it's not packaged - manually installed) equiv of that should be
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02:34<themill>I normally use /srv/<webapp> or /srv/<domain>/<webapp> for that sort of thing
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02:34<Lantizia>see that's what has started this :) I saw someone using /srv/ (from my perspective, for the first time - at least for this kind of thing).
02:34<Lantizia>I'm not sure I get it?! I thought /srv/ was for the data being served up by an application... not the application itself
02:35<themill>https://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM
02:35<sep>if i have a dedicated service user running that, i tend to put it in /home/that-user ... have no idea if that is sane or right
02:35<Lantizia>granted you can argue the application is being served up by another application in this case :P (e.g. a python/php app being served up by it's interpreter or the web server)
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02:36<themill>the definition of /srv was written when apache was serving static HTML files.
02:36<Lantizia>exactly - I'm not sure it still applies very well now
02:37<themill>my rationale is that stuff in /srv is related to the external services, it's all in one place for me, and /srv is entirely mine to control as the OS is not allowed to touch it
02:37<themill>s/OS/distro/
02:37<Lantizia>well I was bit astonished to find debian packages now using /opt/venvs/ when I thought only *bad* (i.e. 3rd party) packages (e.g. google chrome) put stuff in /opt
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02:38<themill>no Debian packages use /opt
02:38<Lantizia>do any (non-python non-virtualenvironment) official debian packages put stuff in /opt?
02:38<Lantizia>oh ok - which?
02:38<Lantizia>wait is that "no. Debian packages use /opt" ? :D
02:38<themill>no, that's "no Debian package"
02:39<themill>there are no packages in Debian that ship anything in /opt
02:39<Lantizia>https://packages.debian.org/sid/dh-virtualenv
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02:40<themill>that package doesn't have any files outside of /usr
02:40<Lantizia>no that package doesn't - but it assists in debian packaging ... and uses /opt/venvs/ for python apps needing/using a virtual environment
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02:41<themill>No, it assists in you making packages, it does not assist in any packaging by Debian
02:41<themill>nothing in Debian uses dh-virtualenv
02:41<Lantizia>aah ok
02:42<Lantizia>but then I assume no debian package would use a python virtual env either?
02:42<themill>correct
02:42<Lantizia>well the /opt is just as useful as /srv (at least from the perspective of your distro not touching it?)
02:43<Lantizia>*then
02:43<Lantizia>e.g. /opt/<webapp>/ and /srv/<webapp-served-data>/ maybe?
02:45<themill>I have other things in /opt from 3rd party packages and I like the separation. That everything in /srv is outward facing (and only things in /srv are) is kind of nice for me too
02:46<Lantizia>ah so the distinction for you is 'local apps (sit at the console, or remote access a shell/display)' ... v.s. ... 'public apps (i.e. served up apps, available on the network)'
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02:49<Lantizia>which of course something like '/usr/share/phpmyadmin/' is in neither dir - but that that *was* a debian package itself
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02:50<Lantizia>but I'm sure there are other debian web apps which still go in /usr/share/
02:50<Lantizia>which'd surely make /usr/local/share at least a contender ?
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02:51<vv221>Here I am using /srv for Internet-facing services too.
02:52<Lantizia><sep> if i have a dedicated service user running that, i tend to put it in /home/that-user
02:52<Lantizia>see my OCD would hate that :P
02:52<vv221>Websites for instance are in /srv/http/{domain}
02:52<vv221>And I have containers in /srv/containers/{hostname}
02:53<Lantizia>sep, but you have made me wonder... would a <webapp> dir (which is owned by a user specifically for that webapp)... belong in /opt, /srv or /usr/local/share/
02:53<Lantizia>might looks a bit out of place in /opt or /usr/local/share I guess - as it wouldn't be owned by root?
02:53<vv221>To make the separation with APT-handled path even stronger, /srv is a dedicated mountpoint on my system.
02:55<Lantizia>but on the other hand - we wouldn't think twice about *NOT* using /srv if the application was a) making itself available on the network/internet but b) **NOT** web based :P
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02:55<Lantizia>e.g. if you compile a copy of freeradius for youself - it's not likely someone is going to think /srv/freeradius/ is a good place for it :P
02:56<Lantizia>so it's kind of a double standard
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02:57<Lantizia>vv221, what non-web related 'Internet-facing services' have you ever kept in /srv/ ? :D
02:59<amacater>Lantizia: I think the argument for outward facing apps living in srv is easy to justify - it's a one line change in my Apache config. I've got copies of Debian/CentOS etc. in /srv - sure they're served by a web server because the originals were
02:59<amacater>But they are just a repository
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03:00<vv221>Lantizia, the difference would mostly be between Web services provided through a container (GitLab and gitlab-runner in my case) and websites served by the host nginx. In addition to Web services, I do have a transmission-daemon container too.
03:00<Lantizia>amacater, but what if they were not web apps :P
03:00<Lantizia>vv221, fair enough :)
03:00<amacater>A mirrored copy of Debian isn't really a web app: it's just convenient to serve the data via a web server :)
03:01<vv221>The /srv/container path came much later in my case, originally I only used /srv/http, for serving websites.
03:01<Lantizia>so /srv is being used to store data which is being used by an interpreter rather than directly executed then!? :P
03:01<Lantizia>like a python/php app - or a containerised app?
03:01<Lantizia>i guess that might work as a rationale
03:01<Lantizia>but /opt/ would be for hard-and-fast native executable binaries
03:02<Lantizia>e.g. docker, php, python, virtual machines... would live in /srv in this rationale
03:02<Lantizia>some manually compiled thing ... like an xmpp server, asterisk, freeradius... would like in /opt
03:03<vv221>It sounds close to what I do with these path ;)
03:03<vv221>(well, what I *would* do, since I actually have no use at all for /opt)
03:04*Lantizia wonders what happens to java desktop apps in this case :P /opt or /srv
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03:04<Lantizia>i guess it still has to be a 'served up' app
03:04<Lantizia>hence srv
03:05<Lantizia>*and* potentially containerised/interpreted :S maybe? it's getting a bit hard to define now - clutching at straws a bit
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03:06<vv221>You might be overthinking this a little bit ;P
03:06<Lantizia>I like that :)
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03:07<Lantizia>so maybe /srv is for a) stuff that is not owned by root, if it's executed - it's executed as it's own non-privileged user... b) in some way served up over the network... c) is primarily data read/interpreted by something else... like scripts, a VM, some interpreted language like php/perl/python
03:07<Lantizia>else it should be in /usr/local or /opt
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03:25<Lantizia>themill> [...] /srv is entirely mine to control as the OS is not allowed to touch it
03:26<Lantizia>FHS just says "Distributions must take care not to remove locally placed files in these directories without administrator permission."
03:26<Lantizia>I read read in a redhat manual something about "future versions" might start using srv instead of var
03:26<Lantizia>might be an old manual though
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05:48<wyre>there is not any package available with geckodriver for firefox?
05:48<wyre>is it included in the very same package along firefox?
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06:57<tofu>hey guys, i have an old nvidia graphic card on my laptop with onboard intel graphic card. i am on pop os right now and my vulkan version is 1.2 which is not support nvidia 390 legacy drivers. i saw that there is a legacy vulkan driver for nvidia 390 on debian (https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-legacy-390xx-vulkan-icd) i just want to make sure of that if i make the switch pop os to debian would i be on legacy vulkan version for nvidia 390?
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07:08<ratrace>tofu: on buster, the one and only vulkan-loader aka libvulkan1 is 1.2.162. Dunno if that works with your card
07:08<ratrace>sorry... on _bullseye_ . on buster it's 1.1.97
07:08<ratrace>,v libvulkan1
07:08<judd>Package: libvulkan1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.39.0+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.70+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.97-2; buster-backports: 1.2.162.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.2.162.0-1; sid: 1.2.162.0-1
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07:10<ratrace>my point being, there's only one libvulkan1 package, for particular debian release, regardless of which GPU driver is in use.
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07:13<tofu>oh ok thank you!
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09:40<d4nk>when i log out from any tty as a user it crashes or freezes Xorg on stable and testing.
09:41<d4nk>can anyone confirm this?
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09:46<ratrace>d4nk: does it crash/freeze xorg, or are you just unable to return to tty7 ?
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09:47<d4nk>on stable it just freezes so i have to kill it remotely in order to use startx again
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09:51<d4nk>i get stuck when i return to whatver tty xorg was running on after i log out
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09:53<d4nk>on testing it just kills the session when i return to the terminal xorg was started from
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09:56<d4nk>ok, i don't even need to return anymore, it just jumps right to tty6 here. "xinit: connection to X server lost ...waiting for X server to shut down."
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09:57<jm_>have you checked X log?
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09:59<jm_>nothing happens here when I logout from a tty, but then again, I use lightdm with custom session
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10:00<d4nk>i assume since it just get killed, that there is nothing in $HOME/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log even after reading it.
10:01<jm_>but if it gets killed why would you need to kill it like you said above?
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10:02<d4nk>on stable it just freezes, on testing it kills the Xorg session.
10:03<d4nk>so i have nothing to do there
10:04<jm_>I'd play arround with journalctl/loginctl
10:05<ratrace>I use startx too, and don't have this issue. check the xorg.log. methinks it doesn't freeze, but the gpu drivers have issues
10:05<ratrace>something something modeset something
10:06<ratrace>(as it's not the first time I hear of not being able to return to tty7 due to (nvidia) gpu bug)
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10:08<d4nk>well, one is intel the other one is amd. and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log just tells me "Server terminated with error (2). closing og file/"
10:10<d4nk>that's on testing, on stable i literally get nothing in the logs.
10:11<vv221>d4nk, I have a couple Debians with Intel and AMD GPUs here, I can run some tests after I’m done with my work day ;)
10:11<d4nk>vv221: please take your time
10:11<vv221>I will, taking my time is what I do best \o/
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10:54<vincent->How can I install packages from within a multi-package? For instance, I have a package (nagios-plugins-linux) which is a multi-package providing nagios-plugins-linux-network, nagios-plugins-linux-paging, and a few more. I have tried "apt-get install nagios-plugins-linux-paging" but it fails because it does not have a installation candidate.
10:55<imMute>vincent-: if "nagios-plugins-linux" is a source package that produces multiple binary packages, that's very common and nothing special. just install the binary packages you need
10:56<imMute>vincent-: none of those package names are in the Debian repositories though.
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10:58<vincent->imMute, yeah, it's a custom package that I've built the .deb file and place it into a local repo. It comes from here: https://github.com/madrisan/nagios-plugins-linux/blob/master/debian/
10:58<vincent->imMute, "just install the binary packages you need". Yeah, how?
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10:59<imMute>do you have the .debs in an APT repository or are they just sitting in some directory somewhere?
11:01<vincent->imMute, inside an APT repository that I create by doing "dpkg-scanpackages ..." and a few more magic to generate a Release file.
11:01<vincent->imMute, from what I can see in the "control" file for that package, I think the error is that the multi-package itself depends on all the plugins.
11:02<vincent->I think it should be the other way around, looking at the "control" file from mplayer (as an example).
11:02<imMute>nagios-plugins-linux you mean? that's not a "multi-package". that's a normal binary package.
11:02<imMute>(well it's also the name of the source pacakge)
11:03<imMute>nagios-plugins-linux is just a binary package that doesn't really contain anything, it's just dependent on all the other packages. so you can get them all with a single "apt-get install nagios-plugins-linux"
11:03<vincent->imMute, why do you say is not a multi-package? It has multiple "Package" inside the control file (one per plugin)
11:03<imMute>vincent-: there's nothing special about that. multiple binary packages from a single source package is very common.
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11:03<vincent->imMute, that's the proble, I don't want all. I want just a few of them.
11:03<imMute>nobody calls them "multi-packages".
11:04<imMute>just install the ones you want then, and ignore nagios-plugins-linux. if you get "no installation candidate" then you're either missing an apt sources file pointing at your repo, or there's some dependency problem why it won't install
11:05<imMute>can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy nagios-plugins-linux-paging' and 'apt-cache showpkg nagios-plugins-linux-paging' ?
11:06<tristero>or install the plugins package (also called a metapackage), and then remove the ones you don't want. If it's possible, that will remove the metapackage too
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11:10<vincent->imMute, https://paste.debian.net/1204174/
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11:11<vincent->tristero, can't do that. This "nagios-plugins-linux" package includes a plugin that clashes with another package, and it fails to install because apt refuses to overwrite a file that belongs to another package. I reported that issue upstream and the developer converted the package into a multi-package/meta-package (however you want to call it), so I was expecting to be able to install the plugins individually.
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11:14<imMute>vincent-: "metapackage" would be the right term. based on that output it sees your pacakge but doesn't think it can isntall it for some reason... I dunno why that would be.
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11:15<vincent->imMute, in the Packages file generated by dpkg-scanpackages, should I see the individual binary packages for each plugin?
11:15<vincent->I have just one entry for the metapackage, and that's it.
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11:15<imMute>yes.
11:15<imMute>ah, that's why. it doesn't actually see the nagios-plugins-linux-paging package, just the metapacakge
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11:16<imMute>so your APT repo only has that one package
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11:16<vincent->Maybe I need to build more stuff for dpkg-scanpackages to be able to generate the Packages file correctly.
11:16<imMute>how many .debs did you have after the build?
11:16<vincent->Currently, I only build the .deb file (not the .src.deb).
11:16<vincent->imMute, just one deb.
11:17<imMute>you should have a .deb or each plugin
11:17<imMute>something didn't build right.
11:17<vincent->Ah, well, I actually didn't check it. Let me check...
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11:17<imMute>you should have a .deb *for* each plugin
11:18<vincent->My script was automatically copying <pkg name>-<pkg-version>_<arch>.deb to the right place, and that's it.
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11:18<vincent->I'll check that and I'll let you know if that's the issue. Thanks.
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11:21<vincent->imMute, yeah, that was the problem.
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16:18<Catoptromancy>hola
16:18<Catoptromancy>i managed to fix tinywm having broken focus and non-existant alt keys by adding an "&" after "exec xterm" in the xinitc
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16:19<sarnold>did you also need to remove the 'exec'?
16:19<Catoptromancy>but typing exit, no longer exits to tty, but just closes the xterm
16:19<sarnold>you need to kill whatever is the 'last' process started by your xinitrc
16:20<Catoptromancy>its basically exec xterm & and exec tinywm
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16:21<sarnold>i suggest removing the first 'exec' and then when you want to quit, kill tinywm, either through its menu system if it has one, or by killing it
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16:21<Catoptromancy>there is no menu heh
16:21<Catoptromancy>that single xterm is literally all the control it has
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16:22<sarnold>ah, then a killall tinywm or something similar will do the trick :)
16:22<sarnold>back in the day people would make xeyes or xclock their 'magic process' -- so they could restart the window manager if they wanted, they could close their terminals if they wanted, etc, and then just kill their clock or the xeyes
16:23<sarnold>I find xclock and xeyes a bit more clutter these days .. so I just make my window mananger the magic process
16:23<sarnold>it does mean I can't just replace my window manager, but I also haven't needed to do that in fifteen-ish years
16:24<Catoptromancy>hmm
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16:25<Catoptromancy>kinda liked just typging "exit" xterm
16:25<Catoptromancy>seems more graceful
16:26<jhutchins>Oh that's interesting:
16:26<jhutchins>,v xclock
16:26<judd>No package named 'xclock' was found in amd64.
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16:26<jhutchins>,provides xclock
16:26<judd>No package named 'xclock' was found in buster/amd64.
16:28<sussudio>it's in x11-apps.
16:29<sarnold>Catoptromancy: if you want that xterm to be magic, then use 'tinywm & exec xterm' in your xinitrc
16:29<jhutchins>Hm.
16:30<jhutchins>sussudio: I use to use it becuse it was small and isolated with few dependencies, and it it ran and forwarded you knew you had the minimul xorg with no dancing spam.
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16:31<Catoptromancy>its that on 2 lines?
16:31<Catoptromancy>ahh think I got it
16:32<ach><.<
16:32<sussudio>jhutchins: why have something small and useful when you can just systemd it and shove it in 1 large archive.
16:33<Catoptromancy>works as good as I wanted, thanks
16:33<ach>-o.
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16:33<Catoptromancy>going to totally setup some old computers with this
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16:34<Catoptromancy>too old to multitask, so a single xterm is fine
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16:34<sarnold>Catoptromancy: it'd probably work even if it's on one line, but two is easier to read
16:35<sarnold>and easier to change :)
16:35<Catoptromancy>and I have slightly moderate amoutn of knowledge about this heh
16:36<Catoptromancy>if it works, its fine with me
16:37<Catoptromancy>i thought tinywm had at least something going on functionally, but you need xinitrc to open anything
16:37<Catoptromancy>might as well open xterm, to open everything
16:38<ach>dos i386 games open fullscreen
16:39<Catoptromancy>i had dosbox opening fullscreen
16:39<ach>my sorrow gains the control fo ctrl not well?
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16:40<zleap>if I try to install dmidecode apt tells me it is already installed, tying dmidecode says command not found
16:41<sarnold>zleap: try sudo -i -- my guess is it's not in the PATH used by your user process but is in the PATH that root would get when logging in
16:42<zleap>ah thanks
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16:42<Ben_in_Seattle>Hi, I'm upgrading an old Debian server that has Drupal7 on it. It looks like Bullseye doesn't package Drupal anymore. What is Debian's recommended solution? I could switch to a different CMS, if there is one that is supported by Debian's security updates.
16:43<zleap>i am not in the sudoers group
16:43<zleap>what do I use with su to get the different path thingy
16:43<Ben_in_Seattle>@zleap: One of the first things I do when installing Debian is fix the PATH for users to include all the sbin dirs.
16:43<zleap>ah
16:43<Ben_in_Seattle>@zleap: Use su to become root and "addgroup zleap sudo"
16:44<zleap>i need to install Debian 11 soon, so once i do that i wil fix things
16:44<zleap>i don't think addgroup is installed here
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16:45<jhutchins>Ben_in_Seattle: Drupal needs to be able to move more quickly than Debian can. It's best to go ahjead and use their installer and use their tools to maintain it.
16:46<Ben_in_Seattle>zleap: Try 'addgroup' after you've run 'su -'
16:46<jhutchins>I know wordpres now has a utility that will install wp and plugins and maintain and ugrade them.
16:47<jhutchins>This isn't really a risk to Debian because it's just isolated PHP code which doesn't break the system.
16:47<Ben_in_Seattle>jhutchins: How is it isolated?
16:47<zleap>ok done, so when I log back in I should be in the sudo group
16:47<jhutchins>Ben_in_Seattle: The way I used to do a Drupal was to instlal the .deb, then update the site direct from drupal.
16:47<ratrace>I prefer installing PHP applications directly from upstream. They're generally a single directory to maintain and thus a package manager isn't really needed for them.
16:47<Ben_in_Seattle>zleap: Yup, or after 'sg sudo'
16:48<jhutchins>Ben_in_Seattle: Be aware that if you don't code in PHP, you will be barely tolerated, let alone supported.
16:48<zleap>what does sg sudo do ?
16:48<ratrace>eg, I use Roundcube from upstream tarballs. I upgrade for security fixes usually within 30 minutes of release. it's that simple to work with php apps
16:48<Ben_in_Seattle>@zleap, changes your group id to "sudo"
16:49<zleap>ah ok
16:50<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: I think that might be easier for you to do than me. This is not a server I'm going to be checking on very often. (Hence only just now noticing Drupal7 isn't packaged anymore)
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16:51<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: welp, unless that's in intranet only, you _will_ have to stay on top of security updates.
16:51<ratrace>PHP apps are generally terrible that way.
16:52<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Yup, which is why I loved having Debian's security team watching over Drupal 7.
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16:52<zleap>Ben_in_Seattle, thanks for that
16:52<zleap>i will try and remember to do that post deb 11 install
16:53<Ben_in_Seattle>zleap: You're welcome.
16:53<zleap>:)
16:53<zleap>i downloaded a deb 11 iso te other day so it should be good to install,
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16:53<Ben_in_Seattle>zleap: Hurray. Have fun with Debian 11.
16:54<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: I find in general that I want to stay on top of security updates myself, rather than wait for a security team to do it for me days, weeks, months after the vuln...
16:54<zleap>i have a nice new 500gb hdd all ready for it, more memory
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16:56<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Again, I think a good sysadmin like you can handle that, but I'm just a mediocre schmoe. Waiting weeks for security updates is fine for me as long as they can be done automatically.
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16:57<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: if that's a public server, then that's absolutely not an excusee.
16:57<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Your ability to respond within 30m is impressive and deserves high praise and pay. Me, I'm looking for a CMS that doesn't ever require manual intervention on my part.
16:57<ratrace>"I'm sorry your honor, it's not my fault my server got pwnt and ddosed a hospital and the old lady died. I'm just a terrible sysadmin who ran a public server with zero clue or intent to do it properly"
16:58<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Heh!
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16:58<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: my ability to respond within 30 minutes is generaly driven with daily attempts, weekly successful attempts, to subvert the Wordpress sites I was tasked with securing them.
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16:59<ratrace>Drupal, btw, is not less insecure. It had its share of grave bugs int he past few years.
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17:00<free2>What window manager do you use?
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17:01<Ben_in_Seattle>WordPress I'd have to hire someone like you, ratrace, to keep secure. (Which I can't since I've got no money for that). Drupal7, at least is still being watched over by the Debian team for a while yet.
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17:03<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: xcept for the tiny fact that EOL'd PHP in old(old)stables is only patched for extremely serious RCEs. ther's a whole palette of bugs it is not patched against. https://wiki.debian.org/PHP#Notes_on_PHP_and_security
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17:05<ratrace>"issues that require a malicious local user (unless there are compelling reasons otherwise) are ignored" -- this btw is the majority of issues with WP. broken/bad plugins that permit the attacker to deliver and execute payload. the attacker becomes "local user" at that point (and is then met by an apparmor policy that reduces its ability to do anything at all)
17:05<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Yes, but my goal is different from your clients. Patched against those extremely serious bugs is enough.
17:06<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Malicious users are not a problem for the dinky little system I'm helping set up.
17:06<ratrace>that's where you're wrong. any pwnt machine becomes a threat on the wider, public internet.
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17:07<ratrace>even if you only host cat videos, there's a juicy CPU and some RAM chips and a NIC under those cats, that are very valuable to botnet hoarders
17:07<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: I think you misunderstand. I was refering to your nention of the malicious local user required for exploit.
17:08<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: I of course agree with you about botnets and not wanting the machine pwned.
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17:09<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: again, a compromised WP site _becomes_ a "malicious local user". that's teh problem with WP and PHP apps in general. easy to deliver and execute code, at which point the attacker becomes a local user.
17:09<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: In the past, one could 'apt install drupal7', turn on automatic updates, and be reasonably sure that the machine was safe from remote execution vulnerabilities.
17:09<ratrace>the internet of the past was quite different :)
17:10<ratrace>anyhoo... just think about it. it's no longer sufficient.
17:10<Ben_in_Seattle>Maybe I misread what you said. Are you saying Debian Security does not care about PHP exploits in which the attacker becomes a local user?
17:10<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: that's what the wiki states
17:10<ratrace>it's actually an indirection. they don't care about bugs where a local user is needed .. but they ignore the fact that with PHP it's easy to become a "local user".
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17:12<ratrace>I see it _all_ the time. payloads delivered and attempted execution. on our servers, they fail because the part they can exploit is not where PHP is allowed to execute, by configuration (W^X policy) and apparmor policy. the payloads almost always attempt to curl a second stage which then tries to attack the kernel.
17:12<ratrace>without hte W^X policy and apparmor profiles, that PHP xploit becomes a local user with ability to run _anything_ as if they're ssh'd in.
17:14<ratrace>(they're not called "PHP backdoor shells" for nothing)
17:14<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: So, you're saying that a Jessie system running Drupal7 (which is still being patched by Debian Security) is vulnerable?
17:15<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: There are no extensions in use, by the way.
17:17<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/drupal7
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17:18<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Yup, that's what I was reading. And I don't see anything that would allow local execution that hasn't been patched.
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17:20<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but to me that link actually shows how good Debian's Security team is.
17:21<ratrace>and that's only Drupal7. PHP itself is another story. currently, the well supported 7.3 has two vulns that are ignored.
17:22<ratrace>5.6 of jessie is no longer in the tracker, and if it were it'd be full of red entries. here's oldstable's 7.0 for comparison: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/php7.0
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17:23<ratrace>that cve-2021-21705 is significant for our use case (some APIs that take extrenal input and use those filters) I had to bump the package manually before secteam did it few days later
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17:24<deb>How can load an older kernel from grub and then boot from it
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17:25<deb>Long story short: update went wrong
17:25<Ben_in_Seattle>deb: I'd just boot from a USB stick.
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17:25<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: bottom line, you shouldn't rely on secteam alone to do the work for you. they mostly do a good job, but it's all "best effort" eventually. my wakeup call to start running own security patches was around release of stretch when a RCE in Bind9 wasn't plugged in debian for months.
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17:26<Sqrt{not}>deb, at boot time, choose advanced options
17:26<deb>Ben_in_Seattle: you also probably don't have important files on your computer
17:27<deb>Sqrt{not}: I'm already in the grub terminal cuzz
17:27<Ben_in_Seattle>deb: I meant boot from a USB stick to fix the GRUB menu.
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17:27<Sqrt{not}>OK, when you boot, do you see the choice "Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux" ?
17:28<deb>No I only have a kali gnu
17:28<Sqrt{not}>!kali
17:28<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
17:28<Sqrt{not}>deb, your grub is not like the debian grub then.
17:29<deb>And when I boot it just shows a loading screen that doesn't stop
17:29<Sqrt{not}>deb, try that kali channel on libera.chat
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17:30<deb>Sqrt{not}: but I didn't install kali and the background says debian 11
17:30<Sqrt{not}>what did you install exactly? kali gnu is not a standard debian thing
17:30<deb>I had kali sources but that couldn't have been the problem
17:31<deb>Sqrt:{not}: I didn't install anything
17:31<Sqrt{not}>deb if you were running debian, you would have the advanced options menu, that would solve your problem.
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17:31<Sqrt{not}>deb, how did you get to have a linux installed on your computer ? did you install something?
17:31<deb>I still have the advanced option
17:32<Sqrt{not}>OK, then select that advanced option. what do you see next?
17:33<deb>Sqrt{not}:I just bootet into debian 10 and after the update I turned on my pc and then it happened
17:34<Sqrt{not}>deb, you said you have the "Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux" when you boot, is that right?
17:34<amacater>So ... You've updated from Debian 10 to Debian 11 and something broke??
17:34<deb>Sqrt{not}: there is a kali gnu 5.10.0 amd64 and a 4.19.0-11 amd64
17:35<deb>And both of them have recovery modes
17:35<Sqrt{not}>Is the 4.19.0-11 also a kali gnu?
17:35<deb>amacater: dunno
17:35<deb>Sqrt{not}: yes
17:35<amacater>Are you booted into a Linux at the moment? If so, cat /etc/debian_version
17:36<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: okay, I think I hear what you're saying. I hope you won't be offended that I believe differently and
17:36<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: I'm not offended. just a friendly advice to not rely on secteams alone.
17:36<ratrace>(especially wiht EOL'd, out of date softwares like jessie)
17:36<Ben_in_Seattle>I'm looking for a CMS that Debian's Security team is looking over.
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17:37<deb>Sqrt{not}:at least it says it's kali
17:37<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: AFAIR there's none that are shipped with Debian.
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17:37<amacater>deb: Once you get into something - tell us the /etc/debian_version
17:37<deb>amacater: I'm on my android and i've got a grub terminal
17:37<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Thank you. Do you know if there was a policy decision for that?
17:38<Sqrt{not}>deb, from that advanced options menu, can you choose the older version?
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17:39<deb>Sqrt{not}: I've only got four and their all kali and I can choose all of them
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17:40<Sqrt{not}>deb, do any of them actually boot, or do all 4 of them have the same problem?
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17:41<amacater>deb: At this point, we're debugging a Debian derivative for you - technically, you're on your own and this can only ever be best endeavours :(
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17:42<Sqrt{not}>deb, Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/
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17:45<deb>Sh*t
17:46<amacater>deb: ??
17:46<deb>Thank you guys anyway
17:46<Sqrt{not}>deb, sorry, but I don't see any sign that you are running debian, even in the past 4 versions.
17:47<Sqrt{not}>deb, we don't know much about kali, so we can't give useful advice about kali. go to their channel
17:48<deb>Will do
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17:48<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: Most of them just handled security issues really bad, and also didn't have any long-term support, which is why none ever made it to stable.
17:49*petn-randall is looking at wordpress in particular.
17:51<deb>But look
17:51<deb>http://imgur.com/gallery/JkNPIuj
17:51<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Yeah, I'm just looking for something that handles the really bad security issues. Drupal7 made it to Stretch and Jessie and the security updates were better than I would have done.
17:51<deb>Sqrt{not}: what the f is that
17:51<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: AFAIK from my timeboxed survey a while back is that you just have to stick to the latest version at all times.
17:53<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Yuck. I don't need all the latest features/bugs, just the security fixes.
17:53<amacater>deb: Kali is based as a rolling distro off Debian testing - I think they may have botched something somewhere. Please go ask in their channel ...
17:54<Sqrt{not}>deb, that is a kali screen.
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17:54<petn-randall>deb: Kali doesn't rebrand all parts of Debian testing, which is why you're likely seeing a Debian logo. Again, you best find support in their channel. Alternatively you can reinstall Debian and get support here.
17:54<petn-randall>Oh well, they left.
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17:56<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Given that this is just a hobby server, there is a high likelihood that, despite good intentions to keep it updated, it will go for a long time without being tended to. Keeping up to date on all the latest software by hand seems so old-fashioned after years of using apt.
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17:58<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: Indeed, then your next best bet is to use something that doesn't come with such a maintenance overhead. There are some CMS that generate flat HTML files, I think some are shipped also in Debian. They're very different from what most people consider "CMS", though.
17:58<Sqrt{not}>deb, as petn-randall said while you were gone, you could install debian on your computer instead of kali, and then we could help.
17:58<SugaryHull>Are there any plans to discontinue support for "i386" in Debian Stable?
17:59<deb>Sqrt{not}: but i've got imprtant files on the hdd I can't just reinstall
17:59<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: You could try "jekyll", for example.
17:59<amacater>SugaryHull - Possibly in Bookworm or the release after: it's still in Bullseye
17:59<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Well, editing raw HTML is where I'm at right now on the new Bullseye machine, so that's not a ridiculous suggestion.
18:00<Sqrt{not}>deb, you could boot from a "live system" on USB stick, and copy out your files.
18:00<SugaryHull>amacater would official support continue in Sid?
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18:00<petn-randall>SugaryHull: I'd expect sid to be the first that's dropped.
18:01<petn-randall>SugaryHull: I don't think it'll be removed any time soon, though, as it's still a major architecture.
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18:02<SugaryHull>petn-randall, good to know. Just thinking ahead because other distros have dropped it
18:02<jhutchins>Ben_in_Seattle: What's the target output?
18:03<petn-randall>SugaryHull: Given that a $30 SBC has more computing power than the last 32bit-only x86 machines, I wouldn't be surprised when it eventually gets dropped because no one is using it.
18:03<maher>I still have an install that is i386 - actually running on amd64 hw but too lazy to change it :(
18:03<Ben_in_Seattle>jhutchins: Varied, but not complex. Personal websites, photo galleries, a wiki, somebody's resume. That sort of thing.
18:04<SugaryHull>petn-randall, it would probably get the #debain-ports treatment (not unlike Arch Linux 32)
18:05<amacater>SugaryHull: I fully expect it to disappear in time: it's hard to maintain for the numbers of packages and pure 32 bit systems were last made 10 years ago or so
18:05<vv221>petn-randall, you mean dropping i386 from install media?
18:05<SugaryHull>Undoubtedly
18:05<jhutchins>Ok, so HTML, you're not trying to write ebooks.
18:05<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: It'll be a sad day when they drop it. I used to fix up 32-bit PCs people had discarded so they could be given to folks who couldn't afford them. Nowadays, though, people are throwing out 64-bit machines, so I guess it won't impact me that much.
18:05<deb>Sqrt{not}: Ok now I just need a second pc where I can make a live usb
18:05<vv221>i386 packages on top of amd64 system is still widely used around me, and this is not going to change anytime soon.
18:05<amacater>It probably _won't_ get the debian ports treatment because there are insufficient maintainers
18:06<Ben_in_Seattle>jhutchins: Right. No e-books. Just need a CMS system that doesn't require constant maintenance to be secure.
18:06<deb>Until then .... ✌
18:06<amacater>Even when it goes as a full architecture, it's possible there will still be compat libraries for things like Steam
18:06<SugaryHull>I'm starting to see why Arch, Ubuntu, and Fedora have all given it the chop
18:06<jhutchins>There was a nice HTML IDE under development in KDE. KDE4 killed it (along with anything else useful). I don't know if it's been take up again, but I've seen enough tools like editors in wordpress with link functions to think they might be out there.
18:07<petn-randall>Ben_in_Seattle: Look for "static site generators". They generate a bunch of HTML files, so no code is executed upon page requests. That makes them very safe by default.
18:07<amacater>So did Ubuntu, then brought back a cut down version: I fully expect it to go with the next Ubuntu release
18:07<petn-randall>SugaryHull: Last 32bit x86 CPUs were produced close to 20 years ago, so yeah, I fully expect it to be dropped at some point.
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18:08<vv221>I still have a 32-bit x86 CPU on one of my laptops ;)
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18:08<vv221>(Thinkpad X60)
18:08<jhutchins>SugaryHull: That said, there are no plans to do so specifically.
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18:08<SugaryHull>jhutchins, that would explain the lack of results when searching for such a thing
18:08<jhutchins>SugaryHull: What will probably happen is support will drop off, and then officially not be supported.
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18:13<amacater>SugaryHull: When Bullseye is released and Bookworm [12] becomes the new Testing - perhaps even later this month - expect a release goal for Trixie [13]. When I polled to ask about the likelihood of support for 32 bit through the lifetime of Debian 12, I was told that it would be supported - but that it was a good shout and they'd make a call on release architectures earlier next time.
18:13<Ben_in_Seattle>petn-randall: Thanks, I think that will be the best solution going forward. In the meantime, I need to find a reasonably secure way to run drupal7 for migrating users from the old server.
18:14<amacater>would _possibly_ be supported.
18:14<Ben_in_Seattle>If I add Jessie's repository's to a box running Bullseye, would I be able to install Drupal7 without breaking too much stuff. (I seem to recall needing to pin things in the past).
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18:15<amacater>Ben_in_Seattle: You'd break far too much stuff - realy you can't do that stuff. Jessie is just about to drop off the support list
18:16<jhutchins>Ben_in_Seattle: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+html+ide&oq=linux+html+ide&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30.6596j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
18:16<Ben_in_Seattle>Yeah, I'm hoping to transition folks off of Drupal since Debian doesn't support it anymopre.
18:16<amacater>The Frankendebian warning is put up to warn people precisely against doing just that :)
18:17<Ben_in_Seattle>But, that's what is in use at the moment (on a Jessie server).
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18:17<Ben_in_Seattle>!frankendebian
18:17<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
18:18<ArtGravity>You don't have to install Drupal from Debian repos. Just use their own tarball.
18:19<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Yeah, I guess if security support is dropping for Jessie anyhow, then it's no different and possibly better.
18:19<amacater>Jessie is out of support as LTS now: as of 2021-06-30. It may be taken up for ELTS - potentially at a cost - but you could really do with upgrading through stretch to buster at least.
18:19<ArtGravity>I used to want my Wordpress installations to be from a Debian package. As the package lagged further and further behind, I eventually learned to let that go.
18:19<amacater>Which should be just about do-able
18:19<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: it's really not that difficult to install from upstream tarball and sign up to their announce mailing list to stay on top of security.
18:20<Ben_in_Seattle>amacater: Yeah, I've got a Bullseye box set up, just need to get those legacy applications supported.
18:20<ArtGravity>As amacater points out, running Jessie in production is far more troubling than running Drupal from a tar install.
18:21<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Yeah, that's my feeling as well, even if Jessie is still supported.
18:21<ArtGravity>Jessie went EOL last year
18:22<ArtGravity>It's oldoldstable which is no bueno
18:22<amacater>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases is always handy to have around
18:23<ArtGravity>I finally moved my Debian Jessie PowerPC MacMini to OpenBSD last year because Jessie (the last release with macppc support) went EOL.
18:23<vv221>ArtGravity, for someone used to the stability of Debian stable packages, upstream CMS install are a nightmare ;)
18:23<amacater>The release team are still aiming for Bullseye release on 2021-07-31
18:24<vv221>Be it WordPress or Drupal, you’re expected to always run the beta version released tomorrow, even if you ony want bugfixes…
18:24<Ben_in_Seattle>vv221: Precisely.
18:25<ArtGravity>Cue "Living On The Edge"
18:25<ArtGravity>I'm a huge proponent of Debian Stable, so I can appreciate the sentiment.
18:26<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: I actually passed my Debian dual G5 tower along to someone else last year. I like BSD but I haven't run it in a decade.
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18:26<vv221>I use Debian Sid even on my home server, but I’m slowly moving back its services to Debian stable chroots ;)
18:26<ArtGravity>OpenBSD is best BSD. It's my "go to" for DHCP and (almost) all things DNS.
18:27<ArtGravity>I do run a hidden master on BIND from Debian Backports
18:28<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Now you've got me yearning for the good old days when 'ifconfig' worked and I didn't need to know how 'ip' worked. ;-)
18:29<ArtGravity>I also keep PHP up to date with deb.sury.org
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18:29<Ben_in_Seattle>Oh, good tip. Ratrace was just saying Debian's security is not up to snuff on PHP.
18:30<ArtGravity>Not sure if it is security, or just a slower pace than PHP moves
18:30<amacater>... _nobody's_ security is up to snuff on PHP, I think.
18:31<SugaryHull>I stand by Debian Stable, mostly because I've had a few times where I needed to dig out a live DVD to recover a partition
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18:31<ArtGravity>My issue was more that versions were falling out of support, and applications were moving to meet those minimums, but Debian doesn't move that fast (which I'm generally OK with).
18:32<ArtGravity>Look at the mess of trying to make Python2 go away.
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18:32<ArtGravity>And I'm not picking on Debian. It has affected many distros.
18:33<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Yeah, I like that Debian is deliberately slow. That's one of the reasons I run it.
18:33<ArtGravity>OpenSUSE 15.3 released after Python2 was EOL, but some packages still have python2 dependencies, so I have python2 installed on laptops that really shouldn't have python2.
18:33<ratrace>problem with PHP here is the misalignment of debian release date and PHP release date and EOL
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18:34<ratrace>and then it would appear PHP is patched only for most serious of bugs, but many of the "lesser" ones are equally grave, in certain public serving conditions.
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18:34<SugaryHull>Debian Stable is also a great way to learn how to compile the occasional newer package that you might need
18:34<ArtGravity>I hope my confidence is deb.sury.org is well placed.
18:34<ratrace>so my whole point before was that one should not rely on secteam alone to do the job properly, when it comes to PHP and PHP applications
18:34<amacater>Goodnight folks
18:35<Ben_in_Seattle>amacater: G'night.
18:35<ratrace>ArtGravity: well, Ondrej is the maintainer of the "regular" PHP in Debian, too
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18:38<Ben_in_Seattle>So, I'm still uncomfortable just extracting a tarball onto a Debian machine and letting it run. I seem to recall there was an easy way to sandbox processes in Debian, but I never used it. Anybody know what I'm talking about?
18:39<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: sure. namespacing, MAC policies, ... that's what I do for wordpresses; otherwise the servers would get pwnt in no time
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18:40<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Are we talking AppArmor here?
18:40<ratrace>Apparmor or SELinux, yes
18:42<Ben_in_Seattle>Are there prebuilt AppArmor configs for sites like WordPress or is this something that is going to require hand tweaking?
18:43<ratrace>there aren't any officially packaged ones. most of the AA profiles I use, I wrote my self. AA packages only few profiles, for some major programs like postfix, dovecot, there's even firefox but it's too wide open imho, ...
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18:44<Ben_in_Seattle>Okay, so AppArmor might not be a good solution for my site then.
18:44<Ben_in_Seattle>Do people ever use virtual machines for security on Debian?
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18:45<ratrace>you seem to want solutions you do not need to learn to work wiht, or make an effort to make them work....
18:46<ratrace>I am not aware of a security blanket like that.
18:47<ratrace>VMs can do a good deal of isolation and protection of the host and of the host only. there's still a class of hypervisor-crossing vulns. and your VM is still vunlerable inside; good amount of vulns find that sufficient.
18:47<ratrace>cryptominers don't even need to elevate privilege. spambots and backdoor sheels don't care it's a VM, as all the resources they need, are in the VM itself.
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18:48<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Right, and botnets.
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18:51<sychill>,v tor-arm
18:51<judd>Package: tor-arm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.5.0-1; stretch: 1.4.5.0-1.1; buster: 2.1.0-2; bullseye: 2.1.0-2.1; sid: 2.1.0-2.1
18:51<sychill>so it's in bullseye, yet there are no executables when running "dpkg -L tor-arm". Does Buster have an executable?
18:51<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: You are correct that I am looking for a solution that does not presuppose that a human is going to be on the job. It is not laziness but recognition of the reality that this little server isn't going to be getting much sysadmin attention once I finish upgrading it.
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18:55<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: I understand that your way of doing things is superior. I just hoped there was something Debian users knew about that was better than nothing.
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18:56<Ben_in_Seattle>Oh, I remember that command I had seen for sandboxing processes: firejail. Anybody ever use it?
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18:59<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: it's not about superiority, but responsibility to others, when you operate a public machine that can and will interact with millions of other machines
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19:02<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: That makes sense to me, but surely you are not saying Debian users who do not have your security skills and cannot pay for someone of your caliber cannot ethically run a Debian server.
19:03<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: actually I am.
19:04<ratrace>if I could decide, one couldn't operate a public server without training and licensing.
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19:11<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: Hmmm... I'll give that thought. However, the world we live in does allow random people, including people who wouldn't agree with us about responsibility to others. People can and do install Drupal/Wordpress/etc in the simplest way possible on their own Debian boxes. It used to be a simple 'apt install' which meant that all those Debian boxes at least met the bare-minimum of Debian's Security team.
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19:13<ratrace>yes, and I'll continue to be annoyed by people who deliberately and consciously operate public server with no intent to learn and make the effort to secure them. not saying you are in that group. I'm talking in general.
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19:21<themill>sychill: the package description may be helpful
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19:27<Ben_in_Seattle>So, to summarise what I've learned today: Debian no longer packages any CMS. It is necessary to repeatedly untar the latest versions of WordPress/Drupal/etc. Ideally one should do that within 30mins of a release. There is no choice to get only security fixes. The one security sandbox I know Debian comes with, firejail, no one here can vouch for, or has even heard of.
19:28<raven523>I'm not sure how common it is to use git checkouts for things like CMSes to easily apply updates
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19:29<Ben_in_Seattle>raven523: That sounds like a plausible solution. Is that what you do?
19:29<raven523>I think that's what I do for mediawiki on one of my servers
19:29<ratrace>raven523: same as downloading the tarbal if you limit yourself to checking out release tags only
19:30<Ben_in_Seattle>Isn't mediawiki packaged in Debian?
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19:30<raven523>yes but the server it runs on runs alpine
19:30<raven523>I mean the server I run mediawiki on
19:30<Ben_in_Seattle>Ah. That makes sense.
19:31<Ben_in_Seattle>Do you automate it?
19:31<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: "ideally one should do that within 30 mins of a release". I never said that. I said that using the upstream tarball gives me that ability and I do that. I run a network of hundreds of websites for hundreds of companies. I have no privilege of not knowing how to secure them or not reacting in shortest amount of time possible when a vuln becomes known and a patch/fix released.
19:32<raven523>no, but I don't automate any updates
19:32<Ben_in_Seattle>Do you happen to know if 'git' allows one to pull from "whatever is the latest stable"?
19:32<raven523>yes, if the developers publish a stable branch
19:32<ratrace>I see tens of thousands of daily attempts to subvert those websites. I see weekly or monthly successful attempts to subvert a website, but those are contained with out security policies. the sheer amoount of bad traffic and probing and constant gnawing at our security perimeter.... scared some people into quitting their jobs. :)
19:33<omegatron>at your place or somewhere else?
19:34<Ben_in_Seattle>That sounds like the best solution. I can set up a 'git pull' in the cron.daily. I like that the solution will work for many projects and I don't have to screenscrape some website with a tarball download link.
19:34<ratrace>in our company. they thought infosec would be different and there's "switches" one could flip to make security on/off. they got disappointed that's nowhere near reality. :)
19:34<raven523>you likely also need to run upgrade scripts to handle migrating existing data in the database or restart long-lived processes
19:34<omegatron>haha - that's a good one
19:35<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: you definitely do not want a cron to manage your upgrades
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19:35<Ben_in_Seattle>raven523: Ah, right. I forget all the benefits dpkg provides. Still, it is a start.
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19:37<ArtGravity>@Ben_in_Seattle, Debian still packages WordPress, but I have found it more convenient to install it myself. As for updates, I technically have a tool that does that, but it uses the WordPress built-in update system.
19:37<ratrace>ArtGravity: wp-cli?
19:37<ArtGravity>I'm not gunzipping new tar files after every release.
19:37<ArtGravity>ratrace, I tend to use that for turning up new instances
19:37<ratrace>because if you're allowing PHP scripts to modify themselves ... you're DoingItWrong(tm)
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19:38<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: I do not want cron to manage the upgrades, but that is the only ethical solution in this case. This server isn't owned by people who have the know how or can afford your services.
19:38<ArtGravity>I'm "doing it wrong" TM and can live with that
19:38<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: they should reconsider running a public server then. if they can't afford, they can learn to DIY
19:38<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Is the builti-in update system automatic? I'm confused how it could have permission to write over itself.
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19:39<ratrace>that's the terrible thing about WP. this permission to write over itself, that it expects. that's like the majority of intrusion vectors, exploiting that capability
19:39<omegatron>is "doing it wrong" some phrase or pun in the usa, based on some company slogan or why the "TM" ?!?
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19:39<ArtGravity>The relevant PHP-FPM user has write permission on the appropriate directory
19:40<ratrace>but it doesn't _need_ it really. it's just a convenience for noobs. wp-cli exists, and one can definitely run WP tight and locked down so it can't modify itself, and cut out biggest intrusion modes.
19:40<ratrace>omegatron: some time ago there was a Linux Haters blog which did things like WorksForMe(tm) to point out an annoying, often response to troubles in linux land.
19:40<ArtGravity>If wp-cli could integrate with MainWP, that would be the best of both worlds.
19:40<Ben_in_Seattle>ratrace: convenience for noobs is exactly what I'm targetting here.
19:40<ratrace>it then expanded to other PhrasesLikeThis(tm). it BecameAMeme(tm).
19:41<omegatron>I see
19:41<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: what was missing in Debian's WordPress?
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19:41<ArtGravity>At the time I was using it, it was lagging waaaaaay too far behind for my tastes.
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19:42<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Like it couldn't use the latest themes or it had major security holes?
19:42<ratrace>major security holes.
19:42<quadrat>just go static site generator and be done ;)
19:43<Ben_in_Seattle>quadrat: Yeah, that's what I'm going to suggest. Seriously. But I don't think it will fly.
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19:43<quadrat>Ben_in_Seattle I know it's crazy, but I moved most of the people I consult onto hugo :). the only thing they needed to learn was markdown :)
19:43<ArtGravity>Debian actually had a cool way of sharing the installed WordPress core across multiple sites without using WP Multi-site
19:43<ratrace>Look, I don't care if people don't care about their sites, their data. "pfft, I can reinstall". I don't care about that. use your computers as you want (legally, consensually, ...). But the moment you step out in open internet you become a blip in my radar. the moment you get pwnt you become at target for my weapons systems.
19:44<quadrat>ratrace so much this. that's why I keep my stuff behind a vpn and be done with it. personally i jut don't want to f around with open servers
19:44<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: That is actually pretty cool. The whole idea that you'd only be running one instance and it wrote with global variable names to the database was weird.
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19:45<ratrace>quadrat: thank you :)
19:45<quadrat>I learned my lesson around 1999 xD
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19:46<ArtGravity>@Ben_in_Seattle, you could use dedicated databases per site
19:46<ArtGravity>Just plug in what you wanted in the relevant wp conf file
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19:46<ratrace>quadrat: I should look into hugo. so far I've been toying with pelican only. I like static site gennies, they're so.... wholesome and pure :)
19:46<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Right, but it sounds like you're saying Debian somehow made it work invisibly.
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19:46<ArtGravity>Invisible from the WP instance, yes
19:47<Ben_in_Seattle>ArtGravity: Debian rocks.
19:47<ArtGravity>As in it was not WP Multisite
19:47<ArtGravity>Each site was it's own WP
19:47<quadrat>ratrace i love it that I can literally use vim for it and be done. and I live it that it's super easy to deploy as it only html sites
19:47<ratrace>mmmh-hmm.
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19:48<Ben_in_Seattle>How does hugo do version control?
19:48<quadrat>and yes sometimes I miss a wysiwyg editor, but that's like once a year or something
19:48<quadrat>Ben_in_Seattle it doesn't, you do it through git
19:48<ratrace>Ben_in_Seattle: being static text files, it's easy to version control it with git
19:49<Ben_in_Seattle>Yeah, "do it in git" works for me. Not for the people who will be using this server.
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19:50<quadrat>Ben_in_Seattle if you really want something for "everybody" maybe look into wp static site generator. afaik you can avoid most security issues with that
19:50<quadrat>but as i never tried them, idk how easy it would be to get into the "backend"
19:50<Ben_in_Seattle>quadrat: Thanks for the tip.
19:51<quadrat>Ben_in_Seattle there is a reason why one of the most tried subdirectories on my servers is wp-admin
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19:54<Ben_in_Seattle>Thanks for all the help and advice, everybody. Got to run now.
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19:55<quadrat>ratrace btw, are you using the sury repo? or are you fine with the php in debian?
19:55<ratrace>quadrat: you wanna know what's atrocious? WP plugins that have resources in /wp-admin/ so you can't even put a restriction on that path...
19:56<quadrat>ratrace i know why I avoid wp by an earth's length
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19:57<ratrace>quadrat: I actually use gentoo built nspawned containerized PHP, on debian hosts. because I know ebuilds and can manage patches. I gave up trying to understand .deb
19:57<quadrat>ratrace ugh, so nothing for me :/
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19:58<ratrace>I switched off from packaged PHP after it got some vulns that weren't patched for days and became a hot issue for us, so I needed somethign asap. being a gentoo user too, I whipped up some updates and... we use that ever since.
19:58<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, I'd like to know what is the correct syntax for squeak repository to be included in debian sources.list. I have this suggestion in squeak official site: deb http://ftp.squeak.org/debian/ x main
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19:59<ratrace>and one dev needed 7.4 for some test work, so I could package that easily without messing with the production php
19:59<r4fkramer>But, when I include 'bullseye' in syntax, it returns me an error: E: The repository 'http://ftp.squeak.org/debian bullseye Release' does not have a Release file.
19:59<ratrace>now I run 8.0 containers like that for them to toy with
20:00<ratrace>r4fkramer: maybe they're not offering bullseye repos _yet_ . note that bullseye is not _yet_ released.
20:00<r4fkramer>Other error message is: 'N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.'
20:00<r4fkramer>Thank you for answering ratrace. In this case, nothing can be done ?
20:01<quadrat>ratrace i was thinking about spinning up alpine containers for that, as I don't want to fiddle around with patches and compilation
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20:02<quadrat>hm maybe I should have specified alpine edge containers
20:02<ratrace>quadrat: same thing, different distro base. with gentoo/portage, I can whip up the extremely most minimal container wiht libc, basic utils and the actual program with minimal possible deps.
20:03<ratrace>building for different prefixes/root dirs is in its design
20:03<ratrace>r4fkramer: I don't know. check their docs if they offer specifically bullseye repositories
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20:04<quadrat>ugh, let's see maybe I will look into debian packaging, as I don't want to learn anther distro way :/
20:04<ratrace>quadrat: good luck! :)
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20:09<quadrat>ratrace sounds like you are not really into deb packaging ;)
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20:11<ratrace>quadrat: I tried.
20:12<ratrace>most recently, I needed latest mesa and libvulkan for my gaming rig. it took me _LESS_ time to switch that rig back to gentoo (full isntall from scratch), than it took me to figure out how to build libvulkan1:i386, on x86_64, let alone trying to upgrade it to wanted version :)
20:13<abrotman>sounds like a you-problem :)
20:13<quadrat>ratrace i fully understand you. I mean with a clean debian vm, I can't get the linux kernel compiled (with no changes) and I don't even know why
20:13<quadrat>debian sources, not mainline
20:14<ratrace>abrotman: sounds like a documentation about debian packaging problem. compounded by me problem.
20:14<ratrace>(by ain't nobody got time fo' dis! problem :) )
20:15<quadrat>ratrace, i mean, when you compile gentoo for your gaming rig, you _could_ go learning debian packaging while it compiles
20:15<abrotman>ratrace: plenty of people are able to make it work
20:15<ratrace>and taht is what I tried, on actual example of libvulkan1
20:16<ratrace>abrotman: yes. I'am also not a surgeon. a physicist. a navy fighter pilot. an astronaut. a chess player. a ....
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20:16<abrotman>More to the point, if you're not able to understand Debian packaging, should you be commenting on it?
20:17<ratrace>I do admit that eventually I gave up because of me-problem. I don't have time for this. I know ebuilds, I can upgrade software and run custom patches, extremely easily wiht portage.
20:17<ratrace>abrotman: absolutely, from the standpoint of someone who tried to understand it and found this and that problem with the process.
20:17<abrotman>(someone needing help with packaging could be pointed to other channels)
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20:19<quadrat>abrotman to which one? I was once pointed to #packaging, but after a week I gave up
20:21<abrotman>YOu're just trying to get a newer version from upstream?
20:22<quadrat>abrotman no i was trying to understand how to compile and package stuff, that's why I started with the linux kernel (debian source) but even in a clean vm, it doesn't compile
20:22<abrotman>that's a bit of a big chew for your first package :)
20:22<abrotman>dpkg: tell quadrat about packaging
20:22<quadrat>abrotman but shouldn the source just compile without any modifications?
20:22<abrotman>start with something small, perhaps CLI-only .. make it work
20:23<ratrace>abrotman: I tried with libvulkan1. I understand the build process, I even maintain some custom debs based on debsrc with custom patches. I know how to make _that_ work. but getting an entirely new tarbal and building or even reusing /debian/ ... I failed miserably.
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20:24<quadrat>abrotman yeah later I started out with backporting cli stuff, which for the most part worked out fine.
20:24<ratrace>in case of libvulkan1, I even wasn't able to build :i386 version of it on x86_64, wihtout any modifications. apt source vulkan-loader ; <install build deps> ; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
20:25<sarnold>you'll probably have better success setting up schroots and sbuild
20:26<ratrace>that failed too, for some reason. the only thing that worked, and confirmed by ... I forgot whom in -offtopic, full i386 deboostrap'd environment was required
20:26<ratrace>but my point here is that all of that is extremely convoluted and complicated and complex... compared to simplicity of ebuilds, which is why I opted to just use them.
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22:55<Ben7230>hello
22:56<sarnold>hello Ben7230
22:58<Ben7230>I have a problem with my file manager I believe. on programs that open up a window to find and select a program it will imedaitly close that program.
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23:00<Ben7230>for example if I try to atache a file to an email and send it, when I click on the attachment button , it will close my email program
23:00<sarnold>ew
23:01<sarnold>which programs show this problem?
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23:01<sarnold>do some file opener boxes work and others fail? or do they all fail?
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23:05<Ben7230>I have only tried it on a few programs, my email program which is Bluemail , whatsapp for desktop
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23:06<Ben7230>some do work though, if I open the download folder from my browser that works
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23:18<sarnold>Ben7230: are there any correlations about which ones work and which ones don't? flatpak vs snapd vs appimage vs deb, or qt vs gtk, etc etc?
23:19<sarnold>Ben7230: do you have a ~/.xsession-errors file that may have error messages from your environment?
23:20<Ben7230>yes both are snapd
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23:33<Ben7230>@sarnold, yes both are snapd
23:34<sarnold>Ben7230: hmm, I'd hope for a better error message, but maybe you need to do some snap connect commands to grant permissions
23:36<Ben7230>I am new to linux, wouldn't know were to start
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23:38<sarnold>Ben7230: try 'snap connections' to see a list of which snaps are installed, and some of their permissions requests
23:39<sarnold>Ben7230: this blog post describes it a bit and shows how to use the GUI to set permissions https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces
23:40<sarnold>Ben7230: and this documentation page shows the command line tools that'll do the same task, but it's .. a bit harder to understand, I think https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management
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23:49<sarnold>Ben7230: I'm headed out for the night, hope you can get this going :)
23:49<Ben7230>sarnold: thanks, I will see what I can do.
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