| --- | Log | opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:11 2021 |
| 00:01 | -!- | jm_ [flier@000125af.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 00:01 | -!- | jm_ is "." on #debian |
| 00:01 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e002de306862a4cdc5d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds] |
| 00:04 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.81.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 00:04 | -!- | gtristan [~tristan@110.11.238.160] has joined #debian |
| 00:04 | -!- | gtristan is "Tristan van Berkom" on #debian-next #kernelnewbies #debian |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax5623 [~NickServ@168.sub-174-194-158.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax5623 [~NickServ@205.sub-174-194-145.myvzw.com] has joined #debian |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax5623 is "truth" on #linux #debian-next #debian |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 00:05 | -!- | ax562 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian #linux |
| 00:10 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e005a0792a0dc47832e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian |
| 00:10 | -!- | illwieckz is "Thomas Debesse" on #debian #debianfr #oolite @#oolite-dev #haiku #radeon #dri-devel |
| 00:10 | -!- | clawh_ [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 00:11 | -!- | masagin99 [~MasaginXX@0BGAACOCX.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 00:11 | -!- | masagin99 is "http://veqjecw2zipaqayw.onion/undercut-reassure" on #moocows #freedombox #debian |
| 00:12 | -!- | clawh [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has joined #debian |
| 00:12 | -!- | clawh is "realname" on #debian #tor |
| 00:19 | -!- | ax5623 [~NickServ@205.sub-174-194-145.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 00:21 | -!- | Liexei [Liexei@0002c00a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye...] |
| 00:24 | -!- | colo [~colo@0002b768.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:26 | -!- | Liexei [Liexei@is.here.for-some.fun] has joined #debian |
| 00:26 | -!- | Liexei is "Liexei" on #debian |
| 00:43 | -!- | nsuperbus_ [~nsuperbus@00019841.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 00:43 | -!- | nsuperbus_ is "nsuperbus" on #oftc #C #debian #haiku #llvm |
| 00:43 | -!- | bertbob [~bertbob@00012c9b.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:45 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:48 | -!- | nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@00019841.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:48 | -!- | nsuperbus_ is now known as nsuperbus |
| 00:50 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 00:52 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@2a01:e0a:d0:3c20:448c:4615:12a9:1b44] has joined #debian |
| 00:52 | -!- | Ericounet is "realname" on #freedombox #debian |
| 00:52 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 00:52 | -!- | quarkyalice_ is "realname" on #postmarketos #postmarketos-devel #postmarketos-mainline #postmarketos-porting #postmarketos-offtopic #postmarketos-lowlevel #asahi #asahi-dev #asahi-gpu #asahi-re #alpine-linux #alpine-devel #alpine-docs #alpine-offtopic #debian #kernelnewbies #debian-offtopic #moocows #oftc |
| 00:57 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has joined #debian |
| 00:57 | -!- | arnoldoree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #virt #debian-tech #debian |
| 01:00 | -!- | mendelmunkis [~mendelmun@ool-ae2cb218.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian |
| 01:00 | -!- | mendelmunkis is "realname" on #debian #i2p #debian-i18n #debian-gaming #Corsair #minidebconf-online |
| 01:03 | -!- | masagin99 [~MasaginXX@0BGAACOCX.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 01:06 | -!- | mendel_munkis [~mendelmun@ool-ae2cb218.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 01:10 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 01:16 | -!- | masagin99 [~MasaginXX@0BGAACOEG.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 01:16 | -!- | masagin99 is "http://veqjecw2zipaqayw.onion/undercut-reassure" on #debian |
| 01:18 | -!- | ashwinik [~ashwinika@78.40.148.171] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] |
| 01:18 | -!- | ashwinik [~ashwinika@78.40.148.171] has joined #debian |
| 01:18 | -!- | ashwinik is "Ashwini Kammar" on #debian |
| 01:19 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 01:21 | -!- | ibx2496 [~FE865@92.60.40.243] has joined #debian |
| 01:21 | -!- | ibx2496 is "realname" on #debian @#linuxmint |
| 01:25 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 01:25 | -!- | quarkyalice_ is "realname" on #postmarketos #postmarketos-devel #postmarketos-mainline #postmarketos-porting #postmarketos-offtopic #postmarketos-lowlevel #asahi #asahi-dev #asahi-gpu #asahi-re #alpine-linux #alpine-devel #alpine-docs #alpine-offtopic #debian #kernelnewbies #debian-offtopic #moocows #oftc |
| 01:37 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 01:37 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 01:38 | -!- | hlauer [~hlauer@ip5f596799.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 01:38 | -!- | hlauer is "realname" on #debian |
| 01:44 | <Ares> | hi! I am planning to make a web server and app server for multiple businesses but I don`t know exactly how should I do it... do you have any suggestions? |
| 01:45 | <Ares> | I am planing for e commerce |
| 01:49 | -!- | user_ [~user@187.21.138.54] has joined #debian |
| 01:49 | -!- | user_ is "realname" on #debian |
| 01:49 | <user_> | i love debian! |
| 01:49 | <user_> | long life to IRC!!! |
| 01:50 | <PiRATA> | hey Ares |
| 01:51 | <PiRATA> | what kind of app server? |
| 01:53 | <Ares> | for android? |
| 01:53 | <Ares> | hi! |
| 01:55 | <Ares> | I am trying to build a server with website and app functionality, just to be clear |
| 01:58 | <PiRATA> | it will take some work |
| 01:58 | <PiRATA> | why not just develop a web app? everyone could use it with a browser |
| 01:58 | <PiRATA> | not need to install some app |
| 01:59 | -!- | Xaldafax [~xaldafax@cpe-198-72-160-101.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Bye...] |
| 02:00 | <Ares> | I am trying to make websites for local businesses? |
| 02:00 | -!- | hbautista [~hbautista@187.171.203.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:01 | <PiRATA> | why would an app be needed? |
| 02:01 | <Ares> | I just want to make a server |
| 02:01 | <PiRATA> | what services you want to provide? |
| 02:01 | <Ares> | so how do I host an android app? |
| 02:02 | <Ares> | app + website |
| 02:02 | <PiRATA> | android apps are hosted on google's servers |
| 02:03 | <Ares> | I did not know :D |
| 02:03 | <PiRATA> | website -> just start developing it. You will need a webserver at min. |
| 02:04 | <Ares> | and how do I separate the websites ( bad neighbor issue ) |
| 02:05 | <PiRATA> | having several web apps in the same webserver? |
| 02:05 | <PiRATA> | *on |
| 02:06 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.81.57] has joined #debian |
| 02:06 | -!- | tizef is "realname" on #debianfr #debian-quebec #debian-qemu #debian-offtopic #debian-nantes #3hg #nakedeb #debian-next #debian |
| 02:06 | <Ares> | yes |
| 02:07 | <Ares> | how can I give them access to install their website on my pc? |
| 02:08 | -!- | dduck_ [~dduck@62.157.166.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:08 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, what do you have running on this pc already? |
| 02:09 | <PiRATA> | Ares, you just need a proxy |
| 02:09 | <PiRATA> | nginx is great for that |
| 02:09 | <PiRATA> | web server + proxy + load balancer |
| 02:10 | -!- | bertbob [~bertbob@67-2-50-232.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #debian |
| 02:10 | -!- | bertbob is "Bert" on #debian #debian-next |
| 02:10 | <Ares> | I don`t have anything, I am just making a list of software and skills that I need to have for this specific task |
| 02:10 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, what operating system do you have running on your pc? |
| 02:10 | <Ares> | I will test it today |
| 02:10 | -!- | zouchang [~zouchang@116.128.244.169] has joined #debian |
| 02:10 | -!- | zouchang is "zouchang" on #debian |
| 02:10 | <Ares> | debian testing |
| 02:11 | -!- | menace [~someone@00029bbc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: menace] |
| 02:11 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:11 | <PiRATA> | Ares, that can varry a lot depending of the app |
| 02:12 | <PiRATA> | *vary |
| 02:12 | <Ares> | so what should I start learning first? |
| 02:13 | -!- | zouchang [~zouchang@116.128.244.169] has quit [] |
| 02:13 | <PiRATA> | you can approach the problem from diff points |
| 02:14 | <PiRATA> | you can start learning web development (HTML, CSS, JS, PHP/Python/Go/NodeJS) |
| 02:15 | <PiRATA> | then move to sysadmin |
| 02:15 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:9066:444a:44d5:f25c] has joined #debian |
| 02:15 | -!- | newtons is "newtons" on #debian |
| 02:16 | -!- | seednode [~seednode@0002b892.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Nihil supernum.] |
| 02:17 | -!- | seednode [~seednode@0002b892.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 02:17 | -!- | seednode is "seednode" on #debian #alpine-linux |
| 02:17 | -!- | uos_eric2023_ [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has joined #debian |
| 02:17 | -!- | uos_eric2023_ is "Quassel IRC 用户" on #debian |
| 02:19 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, study about website security, hosting security, server security. It is dangerous to put a web server on the network if you don't know what you are doing. |
| 02:19 | <user_> | hey Ares, have u heard abt Docker? |
| 02:20 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:20 | <Ares> | https://debian-handbook.info/get/now/ |
| 02:20 | <Ares> | is this one the sysadmin book? |
| 02:21 | -!- | user_ [~user@187.21.138.54] has quit [Quit: bye!] |
| 02:21 | <Ares> | hi Sqrt |
| 02:21 | <Sqrt{not}> | yes, an excellent book |
| 02:21 | <PiRATA> | it's a good start |
| 02:22 | <Ares> | I heard about docker but it is acting like a virtual pc, so I port forward 80 to it and the 2nd website? |
| 02:24 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, I don't know why you would need Docker for what you describe |
| 02:24 | <Ares> | I saw tons of tutorials online but they just show about 1 website |
| 02:25 | <Ares> | user_ mentioned about Docker |
| 02:25 | <Sqrt{not}> | OK, what will you use Docker for? |
| 02:25 | <Ares> | I don`t know |
| 02:26 | <Ares> | @user_ |
| 02:26 | <Ares> | he said about it |
| 02:27 | <Sqrt{not}> | start with the handbook. Learn about nginx maybe for web server. maybe make one website for yourself. |
| 02:27 | <Ares> | I don`t understand that technologies... docker and kubernetis |
| 02:28 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, I think you can get started without docker and kubernetis, just start with a simple website |
| 02:29 | -!- | wwilliam [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:30 | -!- | tagomago [~tagomago@83.138.219.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian |
| 02:30 | -!- | tagomago is "Tagomago" on #debian |
| 02:30 | <Ares> | I have few websites, this is not an issue, the complicated things start when multiple people need to have remote access to modify their websites |
| 02:31 | <Ares> | or how should I manage the situation? |
| 02:34 | -!- | cmuellner [~cmuellner@62-178-148-172.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:34 | <Sqrt{not}> | that probably depends on what software you are using to host their sites. |
| 02:36 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, stay connected in this channel, and as other people come online, you will probably get more advice from web admins with more experience than me |
| 02:36 | -!- | wwilliam [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has joined #debian |
| 02:36 | -!- | wwilliam is "Wwilliam" on #debian |
| 02:36 | <PiRATA> | remote access to a server to modify a website? |
| 02:36 | -!- | JCWasmx86 [~JCWasmx86@p54b14615.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian |
| 02:36 | -!- | JCWasmx86 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 02:36 | <PiRATA> | do you mean content? |
| 02:37 | <Ares> | I don`t use any software for the moment, which one should I use? |
| 02:37 | <Ares> | yes, content |
| 02:38 | <Ares> | or if they need to install whatever software like WordPress .. |
| 02:39 | <PiRATA> | but do you want to provide or be a provider? |
| 02:39 | <Ares> | be a provider |
| 02:40 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACOG1.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 02:40 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #debian |
| 02:40 | <PiRATA> | content management can be done directly into most web apps |
| 02:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | PiRATA, what do you mean "web apps"? |
| 02:41 | <PiRATA> | CMS |
| 02:42 | -!- | Javi [~javier@212.14.114.204] has joined #debian |
| 02:42 | -!- | Javi is "Javier" on #debian |
| 02:45 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, you say you have few websites already. what is the form of these websites? aa |
| 02:45 | -!- | mezzo [~mezzo@176-141-171-88.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #debian |
| 02:45 | -!- | mezzo is "mezzo" on #debian @#lichess #yuming |
| 02:45 | <Ares> | usually php, javascript, html, css |
| 02:46 | <Ares> | python maybe |
| 02:46 | -!- | maryjane [981d4bef17@knopi.disroot.org] has joined #debian |
| 02:46 | -!- | maryjane is "maryjane" on #debian #postmarketos #freedombox |
| 02:46 | -!- | maryjane is now known as maryjane_ |
| 02:46 | <PiRATA> | http://highscalability.com can be a good resource to learn how design large but efficient websites |
| 02:46 | -!- | df [~adsfa@2600:1702:1b70:9750:b25a:daff:fec8:6793] has joined #debian |
| 02:46 | -!- | df is "dfasd fa" on #debian |
| 02:46 | <PiRATA> | *how to |
| 02:46 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian |
| 02:46 | -!- | mepy is "realname" on #debian |
| 02:46 | -!- | df [~adsfa@2600:1702:1b70:9750:b25a:daff:fec8:6793] has left #debian [] |
| 02:46 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACOG1.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 02:47 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB6VV.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 02:47 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #debian |
| 02:49 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:9066:444a:44d5:f25c] has quit [] |
| 02:50 | -!- | uos_eric2023_ [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] |
| 02:50 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.81.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:51 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has joined #debian |
| 02:51 | -!- | uos_eric2023 is "Quassel IRC 用户" on #debian |
| 02:52 | -!- | colo [~colo@0002b768.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 02:52 | -!- | colo is "colo" on #vienna #radeon #pulseaudio #debian |
| 02:54 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.81.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 02:57 | -!- | cmuellner [~cmuellner@62-178-148-172.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #debian |
| 02:57 | -!- | cmuellner is "realname" on #debian #virt |
| 02:58 | <Sqrt{not}> | Ares, I don't know where you are, but now is just starting to be morning in western Europe, and is late night in N. America. More knowledgeable people will be here as we get more into the normal workday. be patient, and ask again after a while if no one has answered |
| 03:01 | -!- | wytchmaster [~wytchmast@2003:a:a13:3002:161e:d791:2a2c:975d] has joined #debian |
| 03:01 | -!- | wytchmaster is "Andreas " on #debian |
| 03:01 | <Ares> | thank you! |
| 03:05 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #debian |
| 03:05 | -!- | Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian.or.at #security #debian-next #debian |
| 03:05 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has joined #debian |
| 03:05 | -!- | totonika is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 03:08 | -!- | giammi__ [~giammi@62-167-236-20.static.adslpremium.ch] has joined #debian |
| 03:08 | -!- | giammi__ is "giammi" on #debian #freedombox |
| 03:08 | -!- | ao2 [~ao2@host-95-233-165-32.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian |
| 03:08 | -!- | ao2 is "ao2" on #linux-media #gstreamer #vcs-home #debian #cell |
| 03:11 | <Ares> | http://highscalability.com is interesting |
| 03:11 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 03:12 | <azeem_> | Ares: are you spamming? |
| 03:12 | -!- | azeem_ is now known as azeem |
| 03:16 | <Ares> | no |
| 03:16 | <Ares> | I am trying to make a server at home |
| 03:16 | <Ares> | :) |
| 03:17 | -!- | chele [~chele@ip5b40237d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 03:17 | -!- | chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian |
| 03:17 | <Ares> | do you know how? |
| 03:18 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 978] by debhelper |
| 03:19 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian [Leaving] |
| 03:20 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 03:20 | -!- | texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #hyprateam #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-a11y |
| 03:20 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian |
| 03:20 | -!- | mepy is "realname" on #debian |
| 03:20 | -!- | Voeid [luke@0002a306.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] |
| 03:20 | -!- | Voeid [luke@0002a306.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 03:20 | -!- | Voeid is "Voeid" on #debian |
| 03:21 | -!- | Highty [~fleroux@i15-les01-ntr-62-34-240-178.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #debian |
| 03:21 | -!- | Highty is "fleroux" on #debian |
| 03:22 | -!- | Highty [~fleroux@i15-les01-ntr-62-34-240-178.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr] has left #debian [] |
| 03:24 | -!- | hbautista [~hbautista@187.171.203.0] has joined #debian |
| 03:24 | -!- | hbautista is "Héctor" on #archlinux #osm-es #debian #debian-mx |
| 03:24 | -!- | rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau |
| 03:24 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@2a02:587:dc04:e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374] has joined #debian |
| 03:24 | -!- | chomwitt is "realname" on #luakit #oolite-dev #oftc #freedesktop #debian-offtopic #debian-academy #C #s6 #radeon #oolite #openstreetmap #debian-xfce #debian-social #debian-kde #debian-games #debian |
| 03:28 | -!- | secntech [~secntech@0002a124.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 03:28 | -!- | secntech is "tp" on #tor-project #suckless #redditprivacy #Qubes_OS #privacytech #freedombox #debian #cryptoparty |
| 03:31 | -!- | secntech [~secntech@0002a124.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 03:40 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 03:40 | -!- | hbautista [~hbautista@187.171.203.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 03:46 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 03:46 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #debian #freedombox #ceph #llvmlinux #virt |
| 03:48 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@2a01:e0a:d0:3c20:448c:4615:12a9:1b44] has quit [] |
| 03:51 | -!- | TomyWork [~tomy@p200300e80f133c00c1f741f47462e969.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian |
| 03:51 | -!- | TomyWork is "realname" on #debian #vbox |
| 03:51 | -!- | FelixActually [~felix@82.112.137.11] has joined #debian |
| 03:51 | -!- | FelixActually is "Felix" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-kde #debian |
| 03:52 | <FelixActually> | When I run rkhunter --update it says this: Invalid WEB_CMD configuration option: Relative pathname: "/usr/bin/wget" |
| 03:52 | <FelixActually> | Does anyone know why? |
| 03:56 | -!- | JCWasmx86 [~JCWasmx86@p54b14615.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] |
| 03:56 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 03:56 | -!- | tyzef[m] is "tyzef[m]" on #debian-next #nakedeb #3hg #debian |
| 03:58 | <jm_> | does that file exist? |
| 04:04 | <FelixActually> | jm_: Yes |
| 04:04 | <FelixActually> | $ whereis wget |
| 04:04 | <FelixActually> | wget: /usr/bin/wget |
| 04:06 | -!- | Blendie [uid453465@id-453465.brockwell.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] |
| 04:06 | -!- | hendursa1 [~weechat@7YZAABIZY.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:06 | -!- | hendursa1 is "weechat" on #robigalia #debian #postmarketos #kernelnewbies |
| 04:10 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 04:10 | <jm_> | is it somehow set to «"/usr/bin/wget"»? |
| 04:10 | <FelixActually> | As in with quotation marks? |
| 04:10 | <jm_> | yes |
| 04:11 | <FelixActually> | Examples in /etc/rkhunter.conf have quotation marks in them |
| 04:11 | <FelixActually> | So I would presume it handles that correctly |
| 04:12 | <jm_> | maybe try it without |
| 04:12 | <FelixActually> | I removed everything but "wget" without quotation marks and now it works |
| 04:13 | -!- | hegstal [~hegstal@0002c365.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:13 | -!- | hegstal is "hegstal" on #debian |
| 04:13 | -!- | hendursaga [~weechat@8L3AADI0Y.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 04:15 | <FelixActually> | Hm... it says "skipped" for "checking file mirrors.dat", and "update failed" for "checking file programs_bad.dat" "backdoorports.dat", "suspscan.dat" and "i18n versions" |
| 04:16 | <FelixActually> | The log file says "Info: The mirrors file has no required mirrors in it: /var/lib/rkhunter/db/mirrors.dat" |
| 04:17 | <bentham> | This sounds like really fragile stuff. |
| 04:17 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB6VV.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 04:17 | <FelixActually> | ? |
| 04:17 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACB5L.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:17 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #debian |
| 04:18 | <bentham> | I mean, this rkhunter thing ought to work out of the box, like chkrootkit does, and it ought to be robust to obvious dependencies and obvious changes to configuration edits. If nothing else, it should be able to flag the user with instructions on what to do. |
| 04:19 | <bentham> | The fact that it does not, does not inspire confidence. |
| 04:19 | -!- | aloo_shu [~aloo_shu@79.116.73.242] has quit [Quit: I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world.] |
| 04:20 | <FelixActually> | It could be because it's a version from two years ago |
| 04:20 | <bentham> | ,v rkhunter |
| 04:20 | <judd> | Package: rkhunter on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.2-0.4+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.2-6+deb9u1; buster: 1.4.6-5; bullseye: 1.4.6-9; sid: 1.4.6-9 |
| 04:20 | <bentham> | you mean 1.4.6-5 rather than 1.4.6-9? |
| 04:21 | -!- | BenNZ [~Ben@203.96.218.156] has joined #debian |
| 04:21 | -!- | BenNZ is "Ben" on #vbox #debian #debian-next |
| 04:22 | -!- | colo [~colo@0002b768.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye.] |
| 04:23 | -!- | ao2 [~ao2@host-95-233-165-32.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 04:23 | <FelixActually> | Perhaps there have been a lot of improvements in those few versions |
| 04:23 | <FelixActually> | But I don't know |
| 04:24 | <ratrace> | at the end of the day, let's just keep in mind that rkhunter is basically a toy. should be in games section now :) |
| 04:24 | <FelixActually> | What do you mean? |
| 04:25 | <ratrace> | it's not really gonna find anything important |
| 04:26 | <bentham> | Is chkrootkit any better? |
| 04:26 | <ratrace> | doubtful |
| 04:26 | <ratrace> | signature based "rootkit" detection is least effective, if at all, for most of scenarios |
| 04:27 | -!- | voyager1 [~voyager1@0002a22b.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: -] |
| 04:28 | <ratrace> | (and will show a number of false positives) |
| 04:28 | <bentham> | Makes sense. Probably better to monitor your processes and network activity, have a shot of vodka and pray |
| 04:28 | <ratrace> | yes. the proper way to handle security is to define a set of policies and monitor for where such policies are (attempted to be) violated. |
| 04:29 | <FelixActually> | Well what should I do about this weird file in my home folder then? |
| 04:29 | <bentham> | What is it? |
| 04:29 | <FelixActually> | It has either one or two Unicode characters and a Japanese character or one Unicode character and two Japanese characters as its filename |
| 04:29 | <ratrace> | if you suspect malware, upload it to virustotal. chances are that will be more fruitful than rkhunter. r(oot)k(its) are rarely concerned with user home directories anyway. |
| 04:30 | <FelixActually> | And inside it there's a number, the name of one of my programs, another number, and what appears to be a UUID of one of my partitions all on separate lines |
| 04:31 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: even if you want to use rkhunter and/or chkrootkit, you should do it offline |
| 04:31 | <FelixActually> | Why? |
| 04:31 | <ratrace> | because if you ARE infected, no tool run on the infected system can be trusted |
| 04:32 | <FelixActually> | So by "offline" you don't mean "disconnected from my network"? |
| 04:32 | <ratrace> | you run debsums to check if a packaged binary is "off", can't trust it. debsums could be compromised. you do it manually, width md5. nope, same concern. you use `ls`... nah, same thing.... |
| 04:32 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: no, I mean booted into a known secure and uncompromised system, mounting your rootfs and "scanning" it like that |
| 04:33 | -!- | erle- [~stephan@2a04:ee41:3:3297:2edc:7d28:c1ef:b5b1] has joined #debian |
| 04:33 | -!- | erle- is "Stephan" on @#antitux #debian-rust #minidebconf-online #debian |
| 04:33 | <ratrace> | mounting your rootfs _somewhere_. the point is not a single bit off of the potentially compromised system must be executed. |
| 04:34 | <FelixActually> | How likely do you think it is that the file I found in my home folder is from something malicious? |
| 04:35 | <ratrace> | some years ago, Firefox and Chromium were vulnerable to "drive-by" downloads of files into ~/Downloads/. files would just appear there, by virtue of visiting a website. it was exploitable expecting the user to open the file, being curious wth is that now. it worked. |
| 04:36 | <ratrace> | I don't know if that problem is fixed now in browsers. but that's one way to have files misteriously appear in your ~/Downloads/ at least. |
| 04:36 | <FelixActually> | Well presumably using cat to view a file won't do any execution even if that were the case, right? |
| 04:36 | <FelixActually> | It's just in my home folder though |
| 04:37 | <FelixActually> | Not any subfolder |
| 04:37 | <ratrace> | in theory, probably unlikely for cat, but in theory, a file can be crafted to exploit bugs even in readonly...readers. |
| 04:37 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: what programs are you running? what program is mentioned in that file? |
| 04:37 | <FelixActually> | A jigsaw puzzle game called palapeli |
| 04:38 | <ratrace> | I've seen (steam) games pollute the eff out of the ~/ . I've seen nvidia drop funny files there. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire..... :)) |
| 04:38 | -!- | Tempesta [~Tempesta@0002028b.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: See ya!] |
| 04:38 | <FelixActually> | The game came from Debian's repositories |
| 04:38 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: is it possible the file belongs to the game? |
| 04:39 | <FelixActually> | I have no idea |
| 04:39 | <FelixActually> | I need to go AFK a bit, hold on |
| 04:39 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:39 | -!- | totonika is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | towo` [~towo@00012f0f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vbox #vboxger #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #siduction-admin #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | Blacker47 [~Blacker47@00014f22.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | Blacker47 is "Blacker47" on #debian-next #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | ben1 [~ben@dynamic-077-001-030-129.77.1.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 04:41 | -!- | ben1 is "ben" on #debian |
| 04:43 | -!- | Tempesta [~Tempesta@183.98.39.112] has joined #debian |
| 04:43 | -!- | Tempesta is "Tempesta" on #debian |
| 04:47 | * | enyc meows |
| 04:47 | -!- | ben1 [~ben@dynamic-077-001-030-129.77.1.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: schule] |
| 04:47 | * | enyc looks curiously at https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ rise in green line |
| 04:55 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:4f1:30b1:a5ed:4e98] has joined #debian |
| 04:55 | -!- | newtons is "newtons" on #debian |
| 04:55 | -!- | nevivurn [~nevivurn@00028645.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 04:55 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #debian |
| 04:55 | -!- | vincent- is "realname" on #debian #buildroot |
| 04:58 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] |
| 04:59 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has joined #debian |
| 04:59 | -!- | uos_eric2023 is "Quassel IRC 用户" on #debian |
| 05:01 | -!- | colo [~colo@0002b768.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 05:01 | -!- | colo is "colo" on #radeon #debian |
| 05:08 | -!- | chuangzhu [~chuangzhu@0002c2e8.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 05:08 | -!- | chuangzhu is "Chuang Zhu" on #ustclug #debian |
| 05:10 | -!- | chuangzh1 [~chuangzhu@27.39.221.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 05:10 | -!- | wwilliam [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 05:10 | -!- | BenNZ [~Ben@203.96.218.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 05:12 | -!- | abdulocracy1 [~meabduloc@83.24.146.44.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] |
| 05:12 | -!- | abdulocracy1 [~meabduloc@83.24.146.44.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #debian |
| 05:12 | -!- | abdulocracy1 is "@me:abdulocra.cy" on #debian |
| 05:14 | <FelixActually> | ratrace: So any idea? |
| 05:17 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: well, what I would do, and what I do do for steam games, is build an apparmor profile. even if you're not familiar with building AA profile, the mere act of using aa-genprof to build one in complain mode, could suffice to find if the game creates the file |
| 05:17 | <FelixActually> | The file has a creation date which I don't think is consistent with when I've opened the program though |
| 05:18 | <ratrace> | alternatively you could use auditctl or maybe inotifywait on the file to see which process will attempt to open it |
| 05:19 | <FelixActually> | What package is auditctl part of? |
| 05:21 | <ratrace> | `auditd` |
| 05:22 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@2a02:587:dc04:e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 05:22 | <FelixActually> | Okay |
| 05:23 | -!- | ee2455 [~ee2455@0001c7c0.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 05:23 | -!- | ee2455 is "ee2455" on #debian |
| 05:23 | <FelixActually> | What if no process tries to open it though? |
| 05:23 | <ratrace> | you could also chown 000 the file and chattr +i and see which program will fail :) |
| 05:23 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: then it's near impossible to tell post-hoc what created it |
| 05:24 | <FelixActually> | I was going to just try deleting it then opening Palapeli to see if it gets recreated |
| 05:24 | <FelixActually> | But is there a risk with deleting it? |
| 05:25 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 05:26 | <ratrace> | who knows. could be a trigger file. you dleete it, and a monster process perks up, starts rampaging through your system. only half-joking :) if you don't know what a file is or does, then you can't know what would happen if you removed it. |
| 05:27 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian |
| 05:27 | -!- | mepy is "realname" on #debian |
| 05:28 | <FelixActually> | So is there any way I can find out whether or not my system is infected? |
| 05:29 | -!- | lonewulf` [~lonewulf@00020897.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 05:31 | -!- | kthxg [~qw@0002aff4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 05:31 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: you can use that rkhunter thingy, definitely from another booted environment with your rootfs mounted, but it'll likely produce no results, which definitely does not mean you're not "infected" |
| 05:32 | <jm_> | ratrace: haven't really use apparmor yet, so trying to understand - you said you use aa-genprof; so is the idea that you have a restricted environment and you use this tool to find out which exceptions you need to add for games? |
| 05:33 | <ratrace> | jm_: aa-genprof is the convenience tool that creates an empty profile and starts your program and after you're doing using it in any way possible, it will inspect the denial logs (which was just being logged, in complain mode, no restrictions), and create rules interactively (it'll ask you for each, what to do about it) |
| 05:34 | <jm_> | ratrace: yeah I understood that part from the man page - I am wondering if this is a safe thing to do if there are no generic restrict rules in place? |
| 05:34 | -!- | lonewulf` [~lonewulf@00020897.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 05:34 | -!- | lonewulf` is "U-lonewulf-PC\lonewulf" on #linode #debian-offtopic #debian #oftc |
| 05:35 | <ratrace> | jm_: "safe" in what context? |
| 05:35 | <jm_> | ratrace: as an example, running an app as root and it would install a compromised file somewhere |
| 05:36 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: unfortunately it's very difficult to find out if a system is compromised _after_ it's been compromised. you need specialized tools with known exploit signatures, similar to rkhunter, but up to date and with actual experience based databases |
| 05:36 | <jm_> | i.e. wondering if using aa-genprof would help in such scenario |
| 05:36 | <FelixActually> | So what would you suggest I do ratrace? |
| 05:37 | <ratrace> | jm_: definitely. one important point of a MAC framework (Mandatory Access Control) that AA is, is to reduce "root" to mere unprivileged users, for filesystem and some other syscalls. |
| 05:37 | <jm_> | ratrace: ok thanks, need to look into it |
| 05:37 | -!- | giammi__ [~giammi@62-167-236-20.static.adslpremium.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 05:37 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: I'd start by trying to find what created it, what would create it if I deleted it and/or what would open it. |
| 05:38 | <FelixActually> | I don't know how I'd do the first thing |
| 05:38 | <FelixActually> | And like I said before, I'm kind of fearful |
| 05:38 | <FelixActually> | As you said, it's not impossible deleting it could trigger something if it is from a virus or whatever |
| 05:39 | <ratrace> | you said that a game is mentioned in it, right? it's highly likely you're not compromised, but the game is dumb and pollutes your ~/ . wouldn't be the first to do that. |
| 05:39 | -!- | jipege5 [~quassel@168.69.205.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 05:39 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: you can't dismantle a bomb without risking it going off :) so you can do nothing or try to dismantle the bomb. as always, in any scenario, you should have backups for data you can't re-create easily. |
| 05:39 | <FelixActually> | Maybe so, but I don't think I launched the game on the day it was created; and why is the filename so weird? |
| 05:40 | -!- | sandra [~snan@89-253-122-95.customers.ownit.se] has joined #debian |
| 05:40 | -!- | sandra is "Sandra Snan" on #debian #linode |
| 05:40 | -!- | Brigo [~Brigo@40.181.60.213.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com] has joined #debian |
| 05:40 | -!- | Brigo is "realname" on #debian #debian-next |
| 05:40 | <jm_> | try launching the game as another user, see what happens |
| 05:41 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: you probably mean "modified", not created timestamp which needs newer coreutils |
| 05:41 | <FelixActually> | I'll have to create another user for that but okay |
| 05:41 | <FelixActually> | Oh, yeah. It is the modified timestamp |
| 05:42 | <ratrace> | so the correlation is insignificant; could've been created who knows when and not necessarily modified last time you played it. |
| 05:42 | <ratrace> | as a simple test you could chown 000 it, and start the game, see what happens. |
| 05:42 | <ratrace> | eh... chmod 000 and chown to... root. make sure it's not setuid :) |
| 05:43 | <FelixActually> | What would that do? |
| 05:44 | <ratrace> | prevent the game started as your user, from opening, reading, modifying the file. |
| 05:44 | <FelixActually> | Could that trigger anything? |
| 05:45 | <ratrace> | no idea. probably not. like I said, I was only half-joking. yes, it's possible "trigger" files would exist. but what's the alternative? stop using that computer? |
| 05:45 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 05:47 | <FelixActually> | I could reinstall Debian |
| 05:48 | <ratrace> | and without understanding what created or used the file, end up in the same situation again. |
| 05:49 | <FelixActually> | I could try AppArmor |
| 05:51 | <ratrace> | FelixActually: jm_'s advice is also one of the quick ways to see if the game creates teh file. create user, give it access to xorg via xhost +SI:localuser:that_username_here ; su -l to that_username and start the game |
| 05:51 | <ratrace> | won't hve audio without massaging pulseaudio config, but that shouldn't matter |
| 05:51 | <FelixActually> | Wait... huh? |
| 05:52 | <FelixActually> | I'm not sure what you mean by everything after "create user" |
| 05:52 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has joined #debian |
| 05:52 | -!- | amacater is "realname" on #debian #debian-wsl |
| 05:52 | <FelixActually> | Would that be if I'm in a text-only tty? |
| 05:52 | <ratrace> | no... wait, the game is not using the gpu? |
| 05:52 | <ratrace> | gpu/xorg/... ? |
| 05:53 | <FelixActually> | I have no idea |
| 05:53 | <ratrace> | is the game text only in the console, or does it have shiny graphics and audio |
| 05:53 | <jm_> | it's a KDE game, so must be |
| 05:54 | -!- | stylesen [~stylesen@59.92.120.85] has joined #debian |
| 05:54 | -!- | stylesen is "stylesen" on #debian-india #debian |
| 05:54 | <FelixActually> | The instructions you've given me, would they mean that the game starts as a window in my DE, but it's being run under that other user? |
| 05:54 | <jm_> | yes |
| 05:54 | <ratrace> | right, so to run the game as _another_ user, with a fresh clean new $HOME, in which the game would create teh same file, if the theory holds ... you need to give that user permission to run .... ooor... just login as that user from the login manager... heh. running programs as other users is what I normally do so just logging in as tha tuser never occurred to me hah |
| 05:55 | <FelixActually> | I wasn't aware that it was possible to do it the way you say |
| 05:55 | <FelixActually> | Which is why I was confused |
| 05:55 | <FelixActually> | But I guess I should've figured it out since sudo works on the same principle |
| 05:55 | <ratrace> | yeah sorry about that. that was in context of running programs as another user while you're logged in as your user |
| 05:55 | <jm_> | I use pam_xauth module to make that simpler :) |
| 05:55 | <FelixActually> | Well I didn't know it worked outside of a console/terminal I guess |
| 05:55 | <ratrace> | you don't need that. you can just login as that new use from the DM |
| 05:56 | <FelixActually> | Doing it your way would be more convenient though |
| 05:56 | <FelixActually> | Because I have a bunch of windows open |
| 05:56 | <FelixActually> | And the version of Plasma on Debian 10 doesn't seem to handle switching users very well |
| 05:57 | <ratrace> | okay then. so to run a xorg program as a user that's not your currently logged in user, you need to permit it to use the xorg socket. xhost +SI:localuser:<that username here> is teh command that permits, for that xorg session (no temporary config with just this command) |
| 05:57 | <ratrace> | the xhost(1) manpage explains what stuff means here |
| 05:59 | -!- | nevivurn [~nevivurn@00028645.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 05:59 | -!- | nevivurn is "nevivurn" on #tor-relays #tor-project #moocows #debian-next #debian #C |
| 06:02 | -!- | mendelmunkis is now known as mendel_munkis |
| 06:02 | <FelixActually> | Also Libreboot has support for only a few motherboards, right? |
| 06:05 | -!- | gtristan [~tristan@110.11.238.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 06:07 | * | ratrace wouldn't know |
| 06:10 | -!- | dselect [~dselect@dselect.bot.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ouch... that hurt] |
| 06:11 | -!- | dselect [~dselect@dselect.bot.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 06:11 | -!- | dselect is "dpkg backup readonly db" on #debian |
| 06:11 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@2a01:e0a:d0:3c20:448c:4615:12a9:1b44] has joined #debian |
| 06:11 | -!- | Ericounet is "realname" on #freedombox #debian |
| 06:13 | -!- | Brigo [~Brigo@40.181.60.213.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 06:16 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has left #debian [Error from remote client] |
| 06:19 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACB5L.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 06:20 | -!- | alarith [~alarith@2a02:908:532:a940::7820] has joined #debian |
| 06:20 | -!- | alarith is "realname" on #tor #debian #tor-project |
| 06:27 | <alarith> | Hi! I have a problem with the stability of my debian 10 and I'm not sure how to investigate it. Sometimes the UI mostly freezes, but I can still move my mouse around. I just can't click any buttons anymore. Switching to a console still works (e.g., ctrl+alt+F2). It doesn't seem to be application specific, so I don't know where to find more info on the error. Any ideas? |
| 06:28 | <alarith> | the problem happened maybe once in three months before, but more recently it happens more often. I use MATE as a desktop environment |
| 06:30 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.121.253] has joined #debian |
| 06:30 | -!- | diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian |
| 06:32 | -!- | YuGiOhJCJ [~YuGiOhJCJ@00021b1f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 06:32 | -!- | YuGiOhJCJ is "YuGiOhJCJ" on #dri #dri-devel #oolite #tor #oftc @#yugiohjcj #llvm #debian |
| 06:38 | -!- | boistordu_ex [~boistordu@0002bdcc.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 06:38 | -!- | boistordu_ex is "realname" on #tor-project #tor-onions #redditprivacy #Qubes_OS #python #pulseaudio #postgresql #php #openjdk #OpenBSD #oftc #netdev #NetBSD #mitmproxy #llvm-build #kvm #java #ifupdown-ng #help #gstreamer #guardianproject #haiku #hackerspaces #haskell #gfortran #freenode #gentoo #dri-devel #debian-xfce #debian-ubuntu #debian-raspberrypi #debian-qemu #debian-offtopic #debian-nginx #debian-live #debian-haskell #debianfr #debian #c++ #C #bash #archlinux |
| 06:39 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has joined #debian |
| 06:39 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 06:42 | <ratrace> | alarith: I'd start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log for warnings or errors, also journalctl for errors and/or kernel messages |
| 06:44 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 06:53 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@2a01:e0a:d0:3c20:448c:4615:12a9:1b44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 06:53 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@00028cc7.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 06:53 | -!- | zleap is "realname" on #minidebconf-online #debian-academy #debian-next #debian |
| 06:53 | -!- | ftobich [~fabio@seven.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 06:53 | -!- | ftobich is "Fabio A. De Muzio Tobich" on #debian-cwb #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-br #debian-devel-changes #debian-br |
| 06:55 | -!- | FH_thecat [~FH_thecat@75.11.25.212.ftth.as8758.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 06:56 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@ppp-94-67-202-202.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian |
| 06:56 | -!- | chomwitt is "realname" on #debian #debian-games #debian-kde #debian-social #debian-xfce #openstreetmap #oolite #radeon #s6 #C #debian-academy #debian-offtopic #freedesktop #oftc #oolite-dev #luakit |
| 06:58 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 984] by debhelper |
| 07:02 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:4f1:30b1:a5ed:4e98] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] |
| 07:05 | -!- | dpkg [~dpkg@dpkg.bot.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: buh bye!] |
| 07:05 | -!- | dpkg [~dpkg@dpkg.bot.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:05 | -!- | dpkg is "apt backup" on #debian |
| 07:06 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@ppp-94-67-202-202.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:15 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest880 |
| 07:15 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.121.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 07:15 | -!- | Guest880 [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 07:16 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has joined #debian |
| 07:16 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 07:19 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:19 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest882 |
| 07:19 | <alarith> | Thanks ratrace! I found that my Xorg.0.log gets spammed with "Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front." error messages and fixed that as described here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645553 But I'm not sure that is related |
| 07:19 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has joined #debian |
| 07:19 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 07:19 | <alarith> | I'll try and check next time it freezes if it contains some useful error messages |
| 07:20 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:20 | -!- | TheCreeper is "realname" on #debian |
| 07:20 | <ratrace> | alarith: which GPU, which driver? |
| 07:22 | -!- | clawh [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 07:22 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has joined #debian |
| 07:22 | -!- | xylo is "xylo" on #debian |
| 07:22 | <alarith> | it's integrated in my laptop (Thinkpad 13). lspci tells me: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 07:23 | <alarith> | the driver is listed as i915 |
| 07:24 | -!- | clawh [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has joined #debian |
| 07:24 | -!- | clawh is "realname" on #debian |
| 07:25 | -!- | Guest882 [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:26 | -!- | pert [~pert@00029085.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:26 | -!- | pert is "John Scott" on #debian #debian-rant #debian-offtopic #debian-next |
| 07:27 | -!- | Brigo [~Brigo@40.181.60.213.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com] has joined #debian |
| 07:27 | -!- | Brigo is "realname" on #debian #debian-next |
| 07:29 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has joined #debian |
| 07:29 | -!- | amacater is "realname" on #debian-wsl #debian |
| 07:30 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:30 | -!- | wololoer is "user" on #pipewire #s6 #alpine-linux #kvm #virt #suckless #openjdk #debian-next #debian |
| 07:31 | -!- | ibx2496 [~FE865@92.60.40.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:32 | <ratrace> | alarith: and you have the necessary firmware installed (I forgot which package it is)? |
| 07:32 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has joined #debian |
| 07:32 | -!- | nahomy is "nahomy" on #debian #osm-diversity |
| 07:33 | -!- | ribe [~ribe@0001bc47.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] |
| 07:41 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACCAW.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:41 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #debian |
| 07:41 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest883 |
| 07:41 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.18.80] has joined #debian |
| 07:41 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 07:42 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.120.160] has joined #debian |
| 07:42 | -!- | diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian |
| 07:42 | <alarith> | yes, I have it installed. It is in firmware-misc-nonfree and listed in "modinfo i915" |
| 07:43 | -!- | erle- [~stephan@2a04:ee41:3:3297:2edc:7d28:c1ef:b5b1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 07:43 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.18.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 07:44 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.18.80] has joined #debian |
| 07:44 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 07:44 | <jm_> | maybe also check session log |
| 07:45 | -!- | gabuscus_ [~quassel@79.119.239.126] has joined #debian |
| 07:45 | -!- | gabuscus_ is "gabuscus" on #debian |
| 07:47 | -!- | Guest883 [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:48 | -!- | alarith [~alarith@2a02:908:532:a940::7820] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 07:48 | -!- | gabuscus [~quassel@0002aa59.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:49 | -!- | leonardorocha [~leonardo@2804:14d:882:a24c:a05:530e:9ce2:f09c] has joined #debian |
| 07:49 | -!- | leonardorocha is "realname" on #debian #debian-br |
| 07:50 | -!- | alarith [~alarith@2a02:908:532:a940::7820] has joined #debian |
| 07:50 | -!- | alarith is "realname" on #tor #debian #tor-project |
| 07:51 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest884 |
| 07:51 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has joined #debian |
| 07:51 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 07:53 | -!- | leonardorocha [~leonardo@2804:14d:882:a24c:a05:530e:9ce2:f09c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 07:54 | -!- | kurahaupo [~kurahaupo@pa49-195-72-43.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:56 | -!- | Javi [~javier@212.14.114.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:57 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #oftc #Corsair |
| 07:57 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 07:57 | -!- | Guest884 [~SamantazF@80.214.18.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 07:57 | -!- | lucidogen [076e846b9c@jabberfr.org] has left #debian [Disconnected: closed] |
| 07:57 | -!- | choozy [~quassel@75-63-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #debian |
| 07:57 | -!- | choozy is "Choozy VAHFG" on #nouveau #asahi #debian #asahi-gpu #lxde |
| 08:02 | -!- | ftobich [~fabio@seven.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 08:02 | -!- | FelixActually [~felix@82.112.137.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:04 | -!- | Jad [~Nashmi@0002ae6d.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:04 | -!- | Jad is "Jad " on #suckless #debian-social #debconf-fosdem #bash-completion #bash #debian-dpkg #debian-gnupg #debian-academy #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian |
| 08:06 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has joined #debian |
| 08:06 | -!- | thiras is "Ant Somers" on #tor #debian |
| 08:09 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:13 | -!- | cybiko123 [~cybiko123@00020220.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] |
| 08:14 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest885 |
| 08:14 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.215.45.185] has joined #debian |
| 08:14 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:14 | -!- | {4144}| [~{4144}@46.56.64.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:15 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@00028cc7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 08:17 | -!- | JCWasmx86 [~JCWasmx86@p54b14615.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian |
| 08:17 | -!- | JCWasmx86 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 08:17 | -!- | Guest885 [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 08:18 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest886 |
| 08:18 | -!- | {4144}| [~{4144}@46.56.64.31] has joined #debian |
| 08:18 | -!- | {4144}| is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #tmw-br #debian-next #debian |
| 08:18 | -!- | ftobich [~fabio@seven.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:18 | -!- | ftobich is "Fabio A. De Muzio Tobich" on #debian-cwb #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-br #debian-devel-changes #debian-br |
| 08:18 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has joined #debian |
| 08:18 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:19 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #oftc #linux-storage |
| 08:19 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:20 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest888 |
| 08:20 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has joined #debian |
| 08:20 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:21 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 08:23 | -!- | BrianG61UK [~BrianG61U@2a02:8010:66b7:dddd:8984:5b97:fb4e:318f] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 08:23 | -!- | Tj [~soggy@2a01:7e00:e001:ee01:ea6f:38ff:fed4:3289] has joined #debian |
| 08:23 | -!- | Tj is "soggy" on #debian |
| 08:23 | -!- | Guest886 [~SamantazF@80.215.45.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:25 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:25 | -!- | JCWasmx86 [~JCWasmx86@p54b14615.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] |
| 08:25 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has joined #debian |
| 08:25 | -!- | kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-ai #debian-next |
| 08:26 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 08:26 | -!- | Guest888 [~SamantazF@80.215.71.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:27 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has joined #debian |
| 08:27 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:27 | -!- | user__ [~user@8VQAACBF5.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 08:28 | -!- | user__ [~user@4G4AAB644.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:28 | -!- | user__ is "user" on #debian |
| 08:29 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:29 | -!- | SamantazFox is now known as Guest890 |
| 08:29 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.116.51] has joined #debian |
| 08:29 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:35 | -!- | Guest890 [~SamantazF@80.214.17.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:36 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.116.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 08:36 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 08:36 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.116.51] has joined #debian |
| 08:36 | -!- | SamantazFox is "realname" on #debian #fltk #fdroid #alpine-linux |
| 08:41 | -!- | haligh [~haligh@194.29.233.174] has joined #debian |
| 08:41 | -!- | haligh is "caravanlizzy" on #debian |
| 08:44 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has joined #debian |
| 08:44 | -!- | alice is "purple" on #debian |
| 08:46 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] |
| 08:46 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has quit [] |
| 08:46 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has joined #debian |
| 08:46 | -!- | alice is "purple" on #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | cybiko123 [~cybiko123@00020220.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | cybiko123 is "cybiko123" on #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | ribe [~ribe@0001bc47.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | ribe is "ribe" on #tor-project #tor-dev #tor #debian-next #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | ChmEarl [~prymar56@cpe-98-149-105-158.natmtn.res.rr.com] has joined #debian |
| 08:47 | -!- | ChmEarl is "Mark Pryor" on #virt #debian |
| 08:51 | -!- | valde [~valde@srv2.valde.fr] has joined #debian |
| 08:51 | -!- | valde is "Quentin" on #debian |
| 08:52 | -!- | ribe [~ribe@0001bc47.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 08:52 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has joined #debian |
| 08:52 | -!- | amacater is "realname" on #debian-wsl #debian |
| 08:53 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 08:54 | -!- | haligh [~haligh@194.29.233.174] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 08:55 | -!- | jm_ [flier@000125af.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting] |
| 08:56 | -!- | ddsys [~ddsys@0002a5a5.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:56 | -!- | ddsys is "ddsys" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian |
| 08:56 | -!- | ribe [~ribe@0001bc47.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:56 | -!- | ribe is "ribe" on #tor-project #tor-dev #tor #debian-next #debian |
| 08:56 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] |
| 08:59 | -!- | Javi [~javier@212.14.114.204] has joined #debian |
| 08:59 | -!- | Javi is "Javier" on #debian |
| 09:01 | -!- | mepy [~mepy@host-79-9-206-129.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian [Leaving] |
| 09:01 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has joined #debian |
| 09:01 | -!- | alice is "purple" on #debian |
| 09:02 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:02 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has joined #debian |
| 09:02 | -!- | alice is "purple" on #debian |
| 09:03 | -!- | omegatron [~some@0002b4d3.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:03 | -!- | omegatron is "8" on #debian #C #bash |
| 09:05 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:05 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #debian #LUGs #llvm #xfs #ovirt #linux #kvm #llvmlinux #linux-storage #alpine-linux |
| 09:05 | -!- | Roman3349 [~Thunderbi@host-89-203-169-159.ip.topnet.cz] has joined #debian |
| 09:05 | -!- | Roman3349 is "Roman3349" on #debian-sponsors #debian |
| 09:07 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:08 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:08 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:08 | -!- | vincent- is "realname" on #buildroot #debian |
| 09:09 | -!- | afong_ is now known as paw |
| 09:09 | -!- | SamantazFox [~SamantazF@80.214.116.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 09:09 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has joined #debian |
| 09:09 | -!- | alice is "purple" on #debian |
| 09:10 | -!- | yoslin_ [~moxie@185.65.135.237] has joined #debian |
| 09:10 | -!- | yoslin_ is "moxie" on #dri-devel #debian #wayland #alpine-linux |
| 09:10 | -!- | alice [~redarmy@host-95-152-62-146.dsl.sura.ru] has quit [] |
| 09:10 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 09:12 | -!- | yoslin [~moxie@0002b59c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 09:12 | -!- | yoslin_ [~moxie@185.65.135.237] has quit [] |
| 09:12 | -!- | yoslin [~moxie@0002b59c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:12 | -!- | yoslin is "moxie" on #dri-devel #debian #wayland #pipewire #suckless #alpine-linux |
| 09:17 | -!- | Strife89 [~quassel@adsl-74-250-151-138.ags.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:17 | -!- | Strife89 is "Joni Carr" on #debian |
| 09:19 | -!- | hendursa1 [~weechat@7YZAABIZY.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: hendursa1] |
| 09:19 | -!- | hendursaga [~weechat@7YZAABI8P.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:19 | -!- | hendursaga is "weechat" on #robigalia #debian #postmarketos #kernelnewbies |
| 09:21 | -!- | leonardorocha [~leonardo@2804:14d:882:a24c:a05:530e:9ce2:f09c] has joined #debian |
| 09:21 | -!- | leonardorocha is "realname" on #debian #debian-br |
| 09:23 | -!- | Mister00X [~quassel@2a02:2455:3a2:c400:ddbe:d25a:1e03:6aae] has joined #debian |
| 09:23 | -!- | Mister00X is "Mr. X" on #debian-next #debian #debian.de-offtopic |
| 09:24 | -!- | jipege4 [~quassel@183.52.205.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:24 | -!- | jipege4 is "jipege" on #debian |
| 09:28 | -!- | PaMeDa [~apauli@dynamic-077-008-002-017.77.8.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 09:28 | -!- | PaMeDa is "apauli" on #debian |
| 09:30 | -!- | endstille [~Miranda@2a00:6020:1dfe:7100:9ae:1adf:4fa6:2e21] has joined #debian |
| 09:30 | -!- | endstille is "marc.brinkmann@gmail.com" on #debian |
| 09:31 | -!- | apauli [~apauli@dynamic-077-000-119-086.77.0.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] |
| 09:34 | -!- | endstille [~Miranda@2a00:6020:1dfe:7100:9ae:1adf:4fa6:2e21] has quit [] |
| 09:34 | -!- | gelignite [~gelignite@55d493a6.access.ecotel.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:34 | -!- | gelignite is "gelignite" on #debian #llvm #openttd |
| 09:34 | -!- | apauli [~apauli@dynamic-077-000-126-185.77.0.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 09:34 | -!- | apauli is "apauli" on #debian |
| 09:35 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has joined #debian |
| 09:35 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next |
| 09:36 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@82-65-37-204.subs.proxad.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:36 | -!- | Ericounet is "realname" on #debian #freedombox |
| 09:36 | -!- | PaMeDa [~apauli@dynamic-077-008-002-017.77.8.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 09:38 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 992] by debhelper |
| 09:38 | -!- | }ls{ [~kalle@000199a5.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:38 | -!- | }ls{ is "nobody" on #kvm #debian-nginx #debian-lan #debian-kde #debian-django #debian |
| 09:42 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:42 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #llvm #debian #virt #linux-storage |
| 09:43 | -!- | haligh [~haligh@194.29.233.174] has joined #debian |
| 09:43 | -!- | haligh is "caravanlizzy" on #debian |
| 09:45 | -!- | pavlushka [~pavlushka@00021abb.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:45 | -!- | pavlushka is "Pavel Sayekat" on #debian #oftc |
| 09:46 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has joined #debian |
| 09:46 | -!- | arnoldoree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #virt #debian-tech #debian |
| 09:50 | -!- | jdmark [~jdmark@000274e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 09:50 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e005a0792a0dc47832e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 09:52 | <chele> | i am trying to check if about ~256 packages apt upgrade will cause problems to my machine. i use apt upgrade --dry-run but i don't really see what this upgrade would cause. am i asking too much from --dry-run? is there a way to simulate more accurately? |
| 09:53 | <ratrace> | not wihtout actually doing it. |
| 09:54 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:54 | -!- | TheCreeper is "realname" on #debian |
| 09:54 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has left #debian [Error from remote client] |
| 09:54 | -!- | valde [~valde@00028da0.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:54 | -!- | leonardorocha [~leonardo@2804:14d:882:a24c:a05:530e:9ce2:f09c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:54 | <imMute> | generally upgrading within a release is totally safe. have backups / a rollback plan if you're paranoid enough, but debian is pretty good about not breaking upgrades within a release (and even across releases for that matter) |
| 09:55 | <ratrace> | %s/totally/mostly/ |
| 09:55 | <chele> | great. haha. that'll do |
| 09:55 | -!- | grafik08 [~tommy@softbank060072062029.bbtec.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:55 | -!- | grafik08 is "realname" on #debian |
| 09:56 | -!- | Xaldafax [~xaldafax@cpe-198-72-160-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #debian |
| 09:56 | -!- | Xaldafax is "X" on #debian #debian-raspberrypi |
| 09:57 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@2a02:587:dc04:e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374] has joined #debian |
| 09:57 | -!- | chomwitt is "realname" on #luakit @#oolite-dev #oftc #freedesktop #debian-offtopic #debian-academy #C #s6 #radeon #oolite #openstreetmap #debian-xfce #debian-social #debian-kde #debian-games #debian |
| 09:58 | <bremner> | how do you get 256 packages upgrading stable -> stable? |
| 09:58 | <chele> | sure |
| 09:58 | <imMute> | bremner: wait a long time between updates? |
| 09:58 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 09:59 | * | bremner skeptical |
| 09:59 | <grafik08> | Does anybody know any good documentation on changing the Debian branding on the debian-installer I read this information: https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines but I m still not too sure how to change it... |
| 09:59 | <bremner> | unless that long time includes a new stable release |
| 09:59 | <bremner> | grafik08: maybe try #debian-derivatives |
| 09:59 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e00a61f0ec3ed615db0.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian |
| 09:59 | -!- | illwieckz is "Thomas Debesse" on #debian #debianfr #oolite #oolite-dev #haiku #radeon #dri-devel |
| 10:00 | <chele> | some workmates think that if a system is working it shouldn't be touched. |
| 10:01 | <bremner> | what is the contents of /etc/debian_version before and after the upgrade? |
| 10:02 | <amacater> | grafik08 - You might also want to try the debian-mentors mailing list for general advice or ask in debian-boot on IRC as to which is the most appropriate channel |
| 10:02 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has joined #debian |
| 10:02 | -!- | thiras is "Ant Somers" on #tor #debian |
| 10:02 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has joined #debian |
| 10:02 | -!- | arnoldoree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #virt #debian-tech #debian |
| 10:02 | <bremner> | I _think_ most people on debian-mentors are more interested in supporting debian |
| 10:02 | <bremner> | but it's been a while since I read the list |
| 10:02 | <bremner> | certainly that's the case in #debian-mentors |
| 10:03 | <grafik08> | Thanks @amacater and @bremner I will give them all a try.. |
| 10:03 | -!- | boson [~dr_bot@8VQAACBQ1.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 10:04 | <amacater> | bremner: Yes, but they will help novice packagers (and they will also have a good clue as to where to send stuff that's off-topic for them). |
| 10:05 | <bremner> | amacater: I speak with first hand knowledge of #debian-mentors. |
| 10:05 | -!- | valde [~valde@srv2.valde.fr] has joined #debian |
| 10:05 | -!- | valde is "Quentin" on #debian |
| 10:05 | <bremner> | that's why #packaging was created, to answer the "I want to do packaging, but not contribute to debian" questions |
| 10:06 | <bremner> | this isn't exactly one of those questions. |
| 10:07 | <amacater> | bremner: Agreed. Debian-mentors mailing list is a good first start for folks new to Debian packaging |
| 10:08 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 998] by debhelper |
| 10:08 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.120.160] has quit [Quit: vergissmeinnicht] |
| 10:09 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@91.114.49.10] has joined #debian |
| 10:09 | -!- | Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian.or.at #security #debian-next #debian |
| 10:11 | -!- | chrisgt_ [~rusty@70.109.152.178] has joined #debian |
| 10:11 | -!- | chrisgt_ is "rusty" on #debian |
| 10:11 | -!- | valde [~valde@srv2.valde.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 10:12 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 10:13 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 10:13 | -!- | alarith [~alarith@2a02:908:532:a940::7820] has quit [Quit: alarith] |
| 10:15 | -!- | kthxg [~qw@0002aff4.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:15 | -!- | kthxg is "realname" on #asahi #debian #oftc #llvm #pax |
| 10:16 | -!- | chrisgt is now known as Guest894 |
| 10:16 | -!- | chrisgt_ is now known as chrisgt |
| 10:17 | -!- | cef is now known as Guest895 |
| 10:17 | -!- | Guest895 [~cef@203.129.55.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:17 | -!- | cef [~cef@14-201-102-169.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian |
| 10:17 | -!- | cef is "Cefiar" on #debian-next #debian #dri-devel #intel-3d |
| 10:18 | -!- | Guest894 [~rusty@71.168.79.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:21 | -!- | liquidsnake [~liquidsna@00025245.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:21 | -!- | liquidsnake is "realname" on #debian-offtopic #MXLinux #linux #debian #retroshare |
| 10:22 | -!- | liquidsnake [~liquidsna@00025245.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 10:23 | -!- | ronald [~ronald@190.148.209.146] has joined #debian |
| 10:23 | -!- | ronald is "Ronald Marín" on #debian |
| 10:23 | -!- | allorder [~allorder@000197dc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: allorder] |
| 10:25 | -!- | czesmir_ [~stefan@aeif17.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian |
| 10:25 | -!- | czesmir_ is "Stefan" on #linux #debian-next #debian |
| 10:26 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 10:27 | -!- | Brainium [~brainium@00028330.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:27 | -!- | Brainium is "brainium" on #debian-social #linux #virt #C #tor-project #debian-br #debian-kde #debian |
| 10:28 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:28 | -!- | vincent- is "realname" on #buildroot #debian |
| 10:29 | <sychill> | i have policykit-1 installed, but when i try to run with root privs, it says i'm not authorized to run as another user |
| 10:29 | <sychill> | yet i'm in the sudo group |
| 10:29 | <sychill> | any other steps needed? |
| 10:30 | -!- | ahso [~Thunderbi@2601:404:c900:428:4441:659:b9:9218] has joined #debian |
| 10:30 | -!- | ahso is "ahso" on #debian-next #debian #debian-wsl |
| 10:30 | -!- | allorder [~allorder@000197dc.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:30 | -!- | allorder is "allorder" on #debian-quebec #debian |
| 10:32 | -!- | bigsahar69 [~sahar@103.105.27.100] has joined #debian |
| 10:32 | -!- | bigsahar69 is "realname" on #debian |
| 10:32 | -!- | czesmir [~stefan@aeao159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:37 | <Sqrt{not}> | sychill, what command are you trying? |
| 10:38 | -!- | YuGiOhJCJ [~YuGiOhJCJ@00021b1f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: YuGiOhJCJ] |
| 10:38 | <sychill> | pkexec --user root terminator |
| 10:38 | -!- | tagomago [~tagomago@83.138.219.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:42 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 10:43 | <sychill> | i'm trapped because gksudo was dropped |
| 10:43 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:43 | -!- | wololoer is "user" on #pipewire #s6 #alpine-linux #kvm #virt #suckless #openjdk #debian-next #debian |
| 10:43 | <sychill> | gksudo was something that "just worked" |
| 10:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | you may be getting the error from gnome and/or whatever X server equivalent you are running. usually those don't like to have root shared with regular user |
| 10:44 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 10:44 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 10:44 | -!- | wololoer is "user" on #pipewire #s6 #alpine-linux #kvm #virt #suckless #openjdk #debian-next #debian |
| 10:45 | <sychill> | well pkexec is actually prompting for password in the terminal instead of graphically, which is a separate problem that i'll have to deal with next |
| 10:45 | <sychill> | but since it's prompting for pw in the terminal and giving the error in the terminal, i don't think it's a wayland/xwayland issue |
| 10:46 | <Sqrt{not}> | sychill, pkexec usually wants you to be in group "adm" for most of its permission checks. |
| 10:46 | <sychill> | well, OTOH, it says "AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.policykit.exec", so maybe there is an xorg issue |
| 10:48 | <Sqrt{not}> | usually when you become root, it is for some specific task in a terminal, running graphical things as root is unusual |
| 10:48 | -!- | sahar_ [~sahar@103.105.35.98] has joined #debian |
| 10:48 | -!- | sahar_ is "realname" on #debian |
| 10:49 | <sychill> | in my case, that graphical thing i need to run as root is a terminal, with a color theme that makes it loud and clear that i'm root |
| 10:49 | -!- | sahar_ [~sahar@103.105.35.98] has quit [] |
| 10:49 | -!- | debalance [~quassel@2a02:908:1080:9040:201:2eff:fe70:36f] has joined #debian |
| 10:49 | -!- | debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian #debian-devel-changes |
| 10:49 | <sychill> | and inside that terminal, i have a separate screen session just for root |
| 10:49 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 10:50 | <Tj> | group depends on what the config has: use this to check: " sudo grep -rn unix-group /var/lib/polkit-1 /etc/polkit-1/ /usr/share/polkit-1/ " |
| 10:50 | <sychill> | I see that an "adm" group exists on my system and my user acct is not in it. But then neither is root, which seems off |
| 10:50 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has joined #debian |
| 10:50 | -!- | nahomy is "nahomy" on #debian #osm-diversity |
| 10:50 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@2a00:23c4:2e96:b00:400d:77d8:56d2:558d] has joined #debian |
| 10:50 | -!- | zleap is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 10:50 | <Tj> | but of course without sudo that command may fail :) |
| 10:51 | -!- | Blendie [uid453465@id-453465.brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #debian |
| 10:51 | -!- | Blendie is "wintersky" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian |
| 10:52 | <sychill> | /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/org.freedesktop.packagekit.pkla:2:Identity=unix-group:sudo |
| 10:52 | <sychill> | /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf:2:AdminIdentities=unix-group:sudo |
| 10:53 | <sychill> | does that mean users must be in the sudo group? If so, then there must be another problem because i'm already in the sudo group and sudo works |
| 10:54 | <Tj> | could be dbus related |
| 10:54 | -!- | cef is now known as Guest897 |
| 10:54 | -!- | cef [~cef@203.129.50.223] has joined #debian |
| 10:54 | -!- | cef is "Cefiar" on #debian-next #debian #dri-devel #intel-3d |
| 10:54 | -!- | bigsahar69 [~sahar@103.105.27.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:55 | <Tj> | check /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:56 | -!- | Guest897 [~cef@14-201-102-169.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 10:57 | <sychill> | auth.log simply mirrors the same error given in the terminal, and also says: "Unregistered Authentication Agent for unix-process:1431:15434 (system bus name :1.40, object path /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_US.UTF-8)" |
| 10:58 | <sychill> | another line says: "Registered Authentication Agent for unix-process:1431:15434 (system bus name :1.40 [pkexec --user root terminator], object path /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_US.UTF-8)" |
| 10:59 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has joined #debian |
| 10:59 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next |
| 11:00 | <sychill> | not sure what it means to be "registered" or not, but it's saying it's registered on some lines and unregistered on others |
| 11:00 | -!- | grafik08 [~tommy@softbank060072062029.bbtec.net] has left #debian [Leaving] |
| 11:02 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 11:02 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has joined #debian |
| 11:02 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 11:03 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@2a02:587:dc04:e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 11:05 | -!- | Gabx [~Gabx@4G4AAB68V.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:05 | -!- | Gabx is "Gabx" on #tor #kali-linux #tor-project #security #retroshare #Qubes_OS #i2p #debian |
| 11:05 | -!- | mbond [~mbond@99-35-18-230.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:05 | -!- | mbond is "mbond" on #debian |
| 11:08 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e00a61f0ec3ed615db0.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 11:15 | -!- | Gabx [~Gabx@4G4AAB68V.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 11:16 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 11:16 | -!- | tizef is "realname" on #debianfr #debian-quebec #debian-qemu #debian-offtopic #debian-nantes #3hg #nakedeb #debian-next #debian |
| 11:17 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e008ad7c065056e4725.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian |
| 11:17 | -!- | illwieckz is "Thomas Debesse" on #debian #debianfr #oolite @#oolite-dev #haiku #radeon #dri-devel |
| 11:18 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl [~andre.lan@177.194.0.205] has joined #debian |
| 11:18 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl is "realname" on #debian-br #debian |
| 11:19 | -!- | haligh [~haligh@194.29.233.174] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 11:25 | <sychill> | according to the man page for pkexec, it appears we must add a stanza to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions for every command that a user wants to run as another user |
| 11:26 | -!- | arnoldoree [~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 11:27 | -!- | tagomago [~tagomago@83.138.219.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian |
| 11:27 | -!- | tagomago is "Tagomago" on #debian |
| 11:28 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:28 | -!- | ax562 is "realname" on #linux #debian #debian-next |
| 11:28 | -!- | ArtGravity [~artgravit@0001abc9.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:28 | -!- | ArtGravity is "Grav" on #debian #wiztech-noc #sosdg |
| 11:31 | <Tj> | sychill: generally not when the user is a member of the AdminIdentities=unix-group . |
| 11:31 | <Tj> | sychill: one thought - has your $USER always been a member of 'sudo' group or have you recently added $USER to sudo group? |
| 11:42 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:42 | -!- | semeion is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 11:45 | -!- | kalos_ [~kalos@ponyo.loleggio.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:45 | -!- | kalos_ is "Calogero Lo Leggio" on #freebsd #debian-next #debian #C |
| 11:45 | -!- | kalos [~kalos@ponyo.loleggio.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 11:46 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 11:47 | -!- | romo [~romo@romo.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:47 | -!- | romo is "romo" on #debian |
| 11:49 | <sychill> | Tj: I had to manually make the user a member of the 'sudo' group, but i did that many reboot cycles ago, so i'm firmly in that group now |
| 11:51 | <sychill> | ,v polkit-explorer |
| 11:51 | <judd> | No package named 'polkit-explorer' was found in amd64. |
| 11:52 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 11:54 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.123.41] has joined #debian |
| 11:54 | -!- | diogenes_oftc is "Nicolas" on #debian |
| 11:54 | -!- | Mister00X [~quassel@0002a863.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be back! — Arnold Schwarzenegger] |
| 11:54 | -!- | mnemonic [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:54 | -!- | mnemonic is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 11:55 | -!- | skdfjsdkfsjf [~oftc-webi@2601:410:80:b080:c02a:d748:3e62:23df] has joined #debian |
| 11:55 | -!- | skdfjsdkfsjf is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 11:55 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl [~andre.lan@177.194.0.205] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 11:55 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 11:55 | -!- | texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #hyprateam #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-a11y |
| 11:58 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 1004] by debhelper |
| 11:59 | -!- | chele [~chele@00022067.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 11:59 | -!- | hlauer [~hlauer@ip5f596799.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:00 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:02 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl [~andre.lan@177.194.0.205] has joined #debian |
| 12:02 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl is "realname" on #debian-br #debian |
| 12:04 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:04 | -!- | RedSoxFan07 [~Thunderbi@d-159-250-218-50.ct.cpe.atlanticbb.net] has joined #debian |
| 12:04 | -!- | RedSoxFan07 is "RedSoxFan07" on #debian-next #debian |
| 12:06 | <sychill> | it pissed me off that gksudo was dumped and that polkit doesn't "just work" as a drop-in replacement, thus forcing me to do some research just to maintain my same workflow.. but the more i look at this, the more sensible the move seems to be. Polkit is more of a scalpel, which is a good thing. I've been ignoring it but i guess it's time to study it. |
| 12:08 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@ppp-94-67-202-202.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian |
| 12:08 | -!- | chomwitt is "realname" on #debian #debian-games #debian-kde #debian-social #debian-xfce #openstreetmap #oolite #radeon #s6 #C #debian-academy #debian-offtopic #freedesktop #oftc #oolite-dev #luakit |
| 12:12 | <sychill> | Tj: what is "unix-group"? it's not listed in /etc/group, yet there is "AdminIdentities=unix-group:sudo" in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf |
| 12:12 | -!- | sgn [~sgn@0002996f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 12:12 | <Tj> | sychill: it is the PK key |
| 12:12 | <sychill> | is that perhaps my problem? should there be a group named unix-group? |
| 12:12 | <Tj> | sychill: no |
| 12:13 | -!- | sgn [~sgn@171.239.160.230] has joined #debian |
| 12:13 | -!- | sgn is "sgn" on #musl-distros #s6 #alpine-linux #debian #oftc |
| 12:13 | <Tj> | sychill: see " man pklocalauthority " |
| 12:14 | <imMute> | sychill: I don't know polkit but it appears that AdminIdenties could refer to a number of things (like user names or group names), so in this case |
| 12:15 | <imMute> | sychill: I don't know polkit but it appears that AdminIdenties could refer to a number of things (like user names or group names), so in this case "<type>:<name>" so that it knows that "sudo" is referring to a UNIX group (and not something else like a username) |
| 12:17 | -!- | rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk |
| 12:17 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has joined #debian |
| 12:17 | -!- | kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-ai #debian-next |
| 12:19 | -!- | andibmu [~andi@94.134.93.58] has joined #debian |
| 12:19 | -!- | andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan |
| 12:21 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has joined #debian |
| 12:21 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 12:21 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@91.114.49.10] has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] |
| 12:22 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:23 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@ppp-94-67-202-202.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 12:23 | -!- | Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #debian |
| 12:23 | -!- | Talkless is "Talkless" on @#osm-lt #debian-next #debian |
| 12:23 | -!- | chomwitt [~Pitsikoko@2a02:587:dc04:e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374] has joined #debian |
| 12:23 | -!- | chomwitt is "realname" on #debian #debian-xfce #openstreetmap #oolite #radeon #s6 #C #freedesktop #oftc #oolite-dev |
| 12:24 | -!- | ach [~spo@ip-109-43-48-21.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:26 | -!- | troyt [troyt@2601:681:4100:d591:44dd:acff:fe85:9c8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 12:28 | -!- | troyt [troyt@2601:681:4100:d591:44dd:acff:fe85:9c8e] has joined #debian |
| 12:28 | -!- | troyt is "ZNC - https://znc.in" on #llvm #debian-raspberrypi #debian-next #debian-kde #debian-ipv6 #debian-dpkg #debian |
| 12:28 | -!- | Ericounet [~Eric@82-65-37-204.subs.proxad.net] has quit [] |
| 12:28 | -!- | zaemi [~oo@85.132.252.36] has joined #debian |
| 12:28 | -!- | zaemi is "realname" on #debian |
| 12:29 | <Ares> | hi! I want to make a web server for the local shops. I will need to authorize remote log in, what software can I use? |
| 12:29 | <zaemi> | I want to install virtualbox but I don't see it in apt |
| 12:29 | <sney> | !virtualbox |
| 12:29 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian |
| 12:29 | -!- | Kolusion is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 12:29 | <dpkg> | Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox to install; we recommend <virt-manager> instead. http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:29 | <zaemi> | thanks |
| 12:29 | <zaemi> | virt-manager? |
| 12:30 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] |
| 12:30 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian |
| 12:30 | -!- | Kolusion is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 12:30 | <sney> | it has basically the same functionality for running VMs from a gui, and it's actually free software with proper security support in stable versions |
| 12:31 | <zaemi> | hmmm |
| 12:31 | <sney> | virtualbox is not allowed in debian stable because Oracle refuses to backport security patches |
| 12:31 | <Kolusion> | You can download the latest VirtualBox package from it's website and not have to worry about Debian's repository. |
| 12:31 | <sney> | right, that option is in the wiki link in dpkg's message above |
| 12:31 | <zaemi> | is virt-manager more secure? |
| 12:31 | -!- | ddsys [~ddsys@0002a5a5.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 12:31 | <zaemi> | I am all about security. |
| 12:32 | <zaemi> | dammit! |
| 12:32 | -!- | zaemi [~oo@85.132.252.36] has quit [] |
| 12:32 | <sney> | virt-manager uses libvirt and qemu, which... |
| 12:32 | <sney> | welp |
| 12:34 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACCAW.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 12:34 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 12:34 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7BD.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 12:34 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #tor #debian |
| 12:35 | <Kolusion> | Debian should drop 'GNU' from it's name. GNU doesn't even classify it as a GNU OS. |
| 12:35 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has quit [] |
| 12:36 | -!- | skdfjsdkfsjf [~oftc-webi@2601:410:80:b080:c02a:d748:3e62:23df] has quit [] |
| 12:37 | -!- | BrianG61UK [~BrianG61U@2a02:8010:66b7:dddd:656c:bc30:37c8:e4fe] has joined #debian |
| 12:37 | -!- | BrianG61UK is "Brian G. (in England)" on #linux-media #debian-raspberrypi #debian |
| 12:38 | -!- | trebmuh [~Olivier@trebmuh.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 12:38 | -!- | trebmuh is "Olivier Humbert" on #elektroid #oftc #linux-rt #debian-next #debian-live #debian-edu #debian |
| 12:38 | <Ares> | hi! I want to make a web server for the local shops. I will need to authorize remote log in, what software can I use? |
| 12:39 | <Kolusion> | What will be logging into? |
| 12:39 | <sychill> | Kolusion: is FSF one of the Debian copyright holders? |
| 12:39 | <Kolusion> | Not sure |
| 12:39 | <Ares> | my server to install their software |
| 12:40 | <Kolusion> | Ares: You can use OpenSSH |
| 12:40 | -!- | eight [~eight@0002be8e.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 12:40 | -!- | eight is "eight" on #kernelnewbies #debian-next #debian |
| 12:40 | <sney> | Ares: there are a lot of extra steps and security considerations there. really, if you want to host websites for 3rd parties, you should have someone qualified set them up; giving retail managers etc. access to a public webserver is a great recipe for getting that webserver hacked |
| 12:41 | <Ares> | so what books should I read about? |
| 12:41 | <Kolusion> | Don't read books, find intuitive software. |
| 12:41 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has joined #debian |
| 12:41 | -!- | amacater is "realname" on #debian-wsl #debian |
| 12:42 | <Kolusion> | Well, I guess that was kind of a stupid thing for me to say for OpenSSH. |
| 12:42 | <sney> | and run your own webserver(s) in a test environment, or low traffic public sites, until you understand the steps and the components. set up wordpress and learn to secure it. |
| 12:43 | <sney> | there are lots of resources all over the internet, many of them are not totally authoritative, but you can put together a fairly complete understanding by looking at a few of them and experimenting with stuff |
| 12:43 | <Kolusion> | Check out OpenSSH documentation on Debian's website. It SHOULD be easy to learn. |
| 12:44 | <sney> | and yeah, ssh is the proper way to remotely administer a unix system, and *fairly* secure by default, but as soon as you have it listening on the public internet bots will be trying to break in |
| 12:45 | <Ares> | OpenSSH is easy, but the other stuff is what I don`t know |
| 12:46 | <Ares> | I would love to be able to read a book of how is done |
| 12:46 | <sney> | !handbook |
| 12:46 | <dpkg> | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 12:46 | <sney> | but still, the best teacher is experience |
| 12:46 | <zleap> | :) |
| 12:47 | <Ares> | thank you ! experience and back up |
| 12:47 | <Ares> | :D |
| 12:48 | <Ares> | If I want to learn to code for debian, to become a package maintainer one day what should I learn? |
| 12:49 | <zleap> | Ares, you could join the debian-academy channel, we are working on that |
| 12:49 | <zleap> | #debian-academy |
| 12:50 | -!- | choozy [~quassel@75-63-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] |
| 12:50 | <sney> | the administrator's handbook for that too, plus at least 1 programming language, and try to use debian often so that you are familiar with how it works and how the packages integrate with each other |
| 12:51 | <zleap> | i think will the administrators handbook be updated to Debian 11 |
| 12:52 | <zleap> | sorry I was asking if it will be updated for Debian 11 ? |
| 12:52 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@186.235.105.168] has joined #debian |
| 12:52 | -!- | Linux77 is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian-br #cap-cc #debian-next #debian |
| 12:52 | -!- | kromaz [~kromaz@2601:280:4500:a6b7:5e33:c0e5:243e:167e] has joined #debian |
| 12:52 | -!- | kromaz is "realname" on #debian |
| 12:52 | <sney> | I would imagine so |
| 12:52 | <Ares> | I tried to connect to #debian-academy but does not want to connect to that channel |
| 12:53 | <sney> | you should register your nickname with oftc, some channels are closed to unregistered users |
| 12:53 | <sney> | type '/msg nickserv help register' in your irc client for instructions |
| 12:54 | <zleap> | that could be it |
| 12:54 | <zleap> | sorry about that |
| 12:55 | -!- | lucasmsoares96 [~lucas@170.244.219.188] has quit [] |
| 12:55 | -!- | earthundead [~earthunde@188.170.85.32] has joined #debian |
| 12:55 | -!- | earthundead is "realname" on #debian |
| 12:56 | -!- | kromaz [~kromaz@2601:280:4500:a6b7:5e33:c0e5:243e:167e] has quit [] |
| 12:57 | <sney> | zleap: the handbook is indeed being updated for bullseye, you can see the progress on salsa: https://salsa.debian.org/hertzog/debian-handbook |
| 12:58 | <zleap> | cool |
| 12:58 | <sney> | the buster handbook came out a while after buster was released, so I think we can predict some delay here too, but hopefully only a short one |
| 12:58 | <zleap> | I should buy a copy (granted it costs quite a bit) hence it may be better to get the bullseye copy when out |
| 12:58 | <Ares> | https://services.oftc.net/login says login but I don`t have a username and pass |
| 12:59 | <sney> | I have a paper copy of the Jessie version somewhere |
| 12:59 | <sney> | Ares: that's because you need to query nickserv, asi I said. <sney> type '/msg nickserv help register' in your irc client for instructions |
| 13:00 | <Ares> | log in with your -NickServ- password |
| 13:00 | <Ares> | I don`t have one |
| 13:01 | <sney> | you create irc accounts from irc. |
| 13:01 | -!- | earthundead [~earthunde@188.170.85.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 13:04 | -!- | ach [~spo@ip-109-43-48-21.web.vodafone.de] has joined #debian |
| 13:04 | -!- | ach is "ZNC - https://znc.in" on @#spooky #debian |
| 13:06 | <sychill> | problem with the docs at https://wiki.debian.org/PolicyKit: the example says to create a pkla file, named as: /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/manage-units.pkla. But that file assumes there is an action defined for "org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units". There is not. |
| 13:07 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has quit [] |
| 13:07 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has joined #debian |
| 13:07 | -!- | Ares is "realname" on #debian |
| 13:07 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has quit [] |
| 13:08 | -!- | Ares is "realname" on #debian |
| 13:08 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has joined #debian |
| 13:08 | <sychill> | so is the example incomplete, or is "org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units" really supposed to be already defined? |
| 13:08 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:08 | <jhutchins> | sychill: What release are you using? |
| 13:08 | <sychill> | bullseye |
| 13:11 | <zleap> | i am on bullseye (11) now |
| 13:11 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has quit [] |
| 13:11 | <zleap> | fresh install yesterday :) |
| 13:11 | -!- | menace [~someone@2001:a61:35bf:bb01:15d6:7166:4c72:1758] has joined #debian |
| 13:11 | -!- | menace is "someone" on #linux #virt #freedombox #debian-ubuntu #debian |
| 13:11 | <jmcnaught> | sychill: org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units is defined in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.systemd1.policy |
| 13:12 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:13 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@00028cc7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 13:14 | <sychill> | ah, i didn't realize multiple actions shared a file like that. i was looking for a file with "manage-units" in the filename |
| 13:14 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has joined #debian |
| 13:14 | -!- | Ares is "realname" on #debian |
| 13:15 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has quit [] |
| 13:15 | -!- | Ares is "realname" on #debian |
| 13:15 | -!- | Ares [~Ares3@37.228.196.119] has joined #debian |
| 13:16 | <jmcnaught> | Why not just use su/sudo in a terminal? Why does the terminal emulator need to run as root? |
| 13:16 | <sychill> | the complexity of letting a user run "pkexec terminator" is crazy. IIUC, I have to create an XML stanza to define an action, then create a pkla file to reference that |
| 13:16 | -!- | A|an [~Alan@173.218.173.25] has joined #debian |
| 13:16 | -!- | A|an is "realname" on #debian |
| 13:17 | -!- | ckosloff [~ckosloff@2600:1700:ec10:3240:507d:d7ee:c3d4:de2d] has joined #debian |
| 13:17 | -!- | ckosloff is "Carlos Kosloff" on #debian |
| 13:17 | <sychill> | jmcnaught: i need to either launch from within a script or from a Sway commandline |
| 13:17 | <sychill> | (comparable to alt-f2 in gnome) |
| 13:19 | -!- | Ares is now known as q1 |
| 13:19 | -!- | q1 is now known as Ares000 |
| 13:19 | <sychill> | the gnome equivalent would be something roughly like "alt-f2 gksudo terminator -c 'screen -c /root/gnuscreen.conf'" |
| 13:20 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@000292fc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:21 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] |
| 13:21 | <sychill> | no that gksudo is gone, pkexec is the only way to do this it seems |
| 13:21 | <sychill> | s/no/now/ |
| 13:22 | <ckosloff> | I asked for help mwith thunderbird errors, I would like to mention that I found a workaround for the problem of folders not displaying content.Right click on folder, select properties, click on Repair Folder, that will display content but it is not permanent. |
| 13:23 | <jmcnaught> | sychill: did you read pkexec(1)? It has an example rule for running a specific command. |
| 13:23 | -!- | coffee_ [~oftc-webi@cpe-76-183-133-193.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #debian |
| 13:23 | -!- | coffee_ is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 13:23 | <jmcnaught> | sychill: when something is this difficult, sometimes you need to consider if it is the wrong way. |
| 13:23 | -!- | Javi [~javier@212.14.114.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:24 | <sychill> | i'll have to reread that.. it wasn't clear but i read it before reading man polkit and man pklocalauthority |
| 13:24 | -!- | TomyWork [~tomy@p200300e80f133c00c1f741f47462e969.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 13:25 | <sychill> | where something is launched from makes a difference |
| 13:25 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has joined #debian |
| 13:25 | -!- | totonika is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 13:25 | <sychill> | if I launch the root terminal from a user screen session, then the root terminal has the user's gnu screen session as the parent process |
| 13:25 | <jmcnaught> | sychill: the synaptic package has a polkit action policy for launching it as root. Note that in GNOME/Wayland at least synaptic and others cannot run as root. This could be the same in sway if the limitation is Wayland. |
| 13:26 | -!- | rejoicetreat [~glitzydel@host-82-54-32-140.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian |
| 13:26 | -!- | rejoicetreat is "rejoicetreat__" on #fdroid #debian #oftc |
| 13:28 | -!- | testi [~quassel@2a02:120b:2c3e:74c0:3ea8:2aff:fe9f:20b4] has quit [] |
| 13:28 | -!- | testi [~quassel@2a02:120b:2c3e:74c0:3ea8:2aff:fe9f:20b4] has joined #debian |
| 13:28 | -!- | testi is "Dietrich Helexien" on #debian @#roccat #hardware #docker #debian-next @#xrdp |
| 13:29 | -!- | coffee_ [~oftc-webi@cpe-76-183-133-193.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] |
| 13:29 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 13:30 | <sychill> | well, maybe i should install synaptic then |
| 13:31 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@66-183-233-186.raimax.com.br] has joined #debian |
| 13:31 | -!- | Linux77 is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian-br #cap-cc #debian-next #debian |
| 13:32 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #debian |
| 13:32 | -!- | Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian.or.at #debian-next #security #debian |
| 13:32 | -!- | A|an [~Alan@173.218.173.25] has quit [Quit: A|an] |
| 13:33 | -!- | RedSoxFan07 [~Thunderbi@d-159-250-218-50.ct.cpe.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 13:35 | <ckosloff> | I am trying to join debian-kde, but is asks for password, I did not need any password to join this channel |
| 13:35 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has joined #debian |
| 13:35 | -!- | thiras is "Ant Somers" on #debian #tor |
| 13:36 | <sychill> | or maybe i should install synaptic, copy the changes it makes to /*/polkit-1/*, then remove it |
| 13:36 | <jmcnaught> | Or see if synaptic will even run as root in your set up first. |
| 13:39 | -!- | xace [~noname@0002014a.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 13:39 | -!- | xace is "Unknown" on #debian #suckless |
| 13:39 | <xace> | was updating from stretch to buster, now sudo apt-get dist-upgrade yields: https://0x0.st/-Okl.txt |
| 13:40 | <sychill> | it's interesting that when i do "apt-file list synaptic" the list shows: "synaptic: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy" |
| 13:40 | <sychill> | that's a ubuntu thing in debian |
| 13:41 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 13:41 | -!- | bertbob [~bertbob@00012c9b.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:42 | <amacater> | xace - you could try dpkg -a / apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing |
| 13:43 | <amacater> | dpkg -C |
| 13:43 | <dpkg> | amacater: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:43 | <amacater> | the dpkg command that unpacks and installs packages that aren't fully configured yet ... |
| 13:45 | <xace> | amacater: thanks, it worked by a similiar command i found on google |
| 13:46 | <amacater> | xace: Great |
| 13:47 | -!- | gelignite [~gelignite@55d493a6.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: Stay safe!] |
| 13:48 | -!- | rejoicetreat [~glitzydel@host-82-54-32-140.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 13:48 | -!- | jnavila [~jnavila@2a01:e0a:d1:f360:db3a:c42:94ae:a447] has joined #debian |
| 13:48 | -!- | jnavila is "jnavila" on #debian #po4a #debian-next |
| 13:49 | <Ares000> | I verified my identity |
| 13:49 | -!- | aloo_shu [~aloo_shu@79.116.73.242] has joined #debian |
| 13:49 | -!- | aloo_shu is "fighting credulity since 1895" on #moocows #debian-offtopic #debian |
| 13:50 | <Ares000> | thank you! |
| 13:52 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #debian |
| 13:52 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel is "AP2,,," on #debian |
| 13:53 | <Ares000> | debian has millions of lines of code, where should I start learning? |
| 13:54 | <scorpion2185[m]> | was Ian Murdock killed by police? |
| 13:54 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has joined #debian |
| 13:54 | -!- | xylo is "xylo" on #debian |
| 13:54 | <amacater> | Ares000: ... the library has 10,000 books - where should I start reading - what interests you, what do you want to know? |
| 13:55 | <bremner> | scorpion2185[m]: that's not on topic here. #debian-offtopic welcomes your conspiracy questions |
| 13:55 | <bremner> | fsvo "welcomes" |
| 13:56 | -!- | kurahaupo [~kurahaupo@pa49-195-72-43.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian |
| 13:56 | -!- | kurahaupo is "kurahaupo" on #ubuntu @#nzlinux @#nzdr @#newzealand #linux @#kiwi #debian @#australia #moocows @#otfc |
| 13:57 | <scorpion2185[m]> | what is the best reader for .mobi or .epub? The pdf is nicer |
| 13:57 | -!- | is0ke3 [~is0ke3@0002bb50.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz..... ] |
| 13:57 | <Ares000> | where do I find the library? |
| 13:58 | -!- | zem_ [~krikkit@cpe-109-60-9-170.st3.cable.xnet.hr] has joined #debian |
| 13:58 | -!- | zem_ is "Marvin" on #debian #ceph #debian-next |
| 13:59 | -!- | ckosloff [~ckosloff@2600:1700:ec10:3240:507d:d7ee:c3d4:de2d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 13:59 | <bremner> | scorpion2185[m]: mupdf can read epub. |
| 14:00 | <Ares000> | I am really sorry but when I have such big projects I don`t know what to do |
| 14:00 | -!- | zem [~krikkit@00016a79.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 14:00 | <amacater> | What I meant was: What do you want to use Debian for? Where do you want to start? You don't have to learn to read code: I do suggest the debian-handbook Debian package (or you can read it online) |
| 14:00 | <Ares000> | do you thin having such a big library of code in an issue or not really? |
| 14:00 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I opened with fbreader (e-book reader) the epub and it doesn't have the better layout of the pdf version. is this normal? |
| 14:00 | <bremner> | Ares000: as opposed to what? a computer from the 1980s? |
| 14:01 | -!- | gildasio [~gildasio@gildasio.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:01 | -!- | gildasio is "gildasio" on #debian |
| 14:01 | <bremner> | scorpion2185[m]: sure. epub is basically html |
| 14:01 | <scorpion2185[m]> | same for .mobi? |
| 14:01 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@00028cc7.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:01 | -!- | zleap is "realname" on #minidebconf-online #debian-academy #debian-next #debian |
| 14:01 | <bremner> | mobi I don't know, I thought that was only for some specific devices |
| 14:02 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is there a pdf reader that can reverse color? dark mode to have black instead of white |
| 14:02 | <Ares000> | I would like to have proper documentation for all the packages available and to set up a web server and maybe a mobile app development environement |
| 14:02 | <Ares000> | and help you create something maybe |
| 14:03 | <Ares000> | what is the most used programming language here? |
| 14:04 | <sychill> | scorpion2185[m]: xpdf and okular can be configured with different colors. I find black on white harsh for night reading, so i've set the background to wheat |
| 14:04 | <amacater> | Ares000 - there's documentation in the form of man pages, for example. Setting up a webserver is a couple of commands away - but I'd recommend reading the Debian Handbook perhaps https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 14:05 | <amacater> | Ares000 - Depends on who you ask: C / Python3 / shell scripting ... |
| 14:05 | <sychill> | of course, it doesn't work on PDFs of scanned documents. but vector PDFs are no problem |
| 14:05 | <scorpion2185[m]> | but also my pdf has night mode I thought that it doesn't not sure what it is |
| 14:06 | <Ares000> | are there more handbooks or is just 1? |
| 14:06 | <scorpion2185[m]> | 500+ pages on that |
| 14:07 | -!- | bullgard4 [~bullgard4@dslb-094-223-124-089.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #debian |
| 14:07 | -!- | bullgard4 is "siducer47" on #debian |
| 14:07 | <bremner> | scorpion2185[m]: mupdf has inverted color rendering. It's not exactly night mode, but maybe it helps |
| 14:08 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:08 | -!- | wololoer is "user" on #pipewire #s6 #alpine-linux #kvm #virt #suckless #openjdk #debian-next #debian |
| 14:08 | <scorpion2185[m]> | thanks now I am using evince and night seems good (Debian handbook :)) |
| 14:08 | <Ares000> | how does it feel to maintain so many lines of code? |
| 14:08 | <aloo_shu> | updated now? |
| 14:08 | <sychill> | scorpion2185[m]: i'm surprised evince could accommodate. I was unable to set the colors of evince when I tried it a few years ago |
| 14:08 | <aloo_shu> | the handbook |
| 14:08 | <Ares000> | and what programming language should I learn> |
| 14:08 | <Ares000> | ? |
| 14:09 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Me too if I remember right on stretch you cannot |
| 14:10 | <scorpion2185[m]> | not sure really |
| 14:11 | <amacater> | Ares000: These are such general questions that this may not be the right place to ask: this list is for support of users running the stable version of Debian. You may want something more like #debian-offtopic |
| 14:11 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7BD.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 14:11 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACO3D.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:11 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 14:11 | -!- | silver [~hidden@00013ad2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: One for all, all for One (2 Corinthians 5)] |
| 14:12 | -!- | silver [~hidden@00013ad2.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:12 | -!- | silver is "Jesse Lee Morgan" on #mm #linux-msm #linux-rt #linux #wayland #C #buildroot #debian-support #debian-social #debian-netfilter #debian-nginx #debian-kde #debian-academy #debian-ai #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-changes #debconf-cambridge #minidebconf-online #debian-meeting |
| 14:12 | <Ares000> | thank you |
| 14:12 | <sney> | Ares000: at this point I would really recommend taking some notes when you ask questions, so that this time you remember: to learn debian administration, read the debian handbook and practice practice practice; and a good programming language to start with is python |
| 14:12 | <Ares000> | thank you sney |
| 14:12 | <sychill> | back in the day you could centralize the color configs of all your apps in your x11 settings, but that seems to have lost popularity so you have to look through the settings of each app individually |
| 14:13 | <scorpion2185[m]> | with mupdf there is the better layout of the PDF! |
| 14:13 | <scorpion2185[m]> | with the epub |
| 14:17 | -!- | f10_ [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 14:17 | -!- | f10_ is "f10" on #debian |
| 14:17 | -!- | CaCO3 [~CaCO3@pool-96-245-67-114.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:17 | -!- | CaCO3 is "realname" on #debian |
| 14:17 | -!- | CaCO3 [~CaCO3@pool-96-245-67-114.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 14:18 | <Ares000> | one last question today: the first time when I ask about a programming language to learn someone told me Lisp... Is that used or not really? am I losing my time with it or is ok to know it for Debian development? |
| 14:19 | <Ares000> | I am a new member so sorry, I need to start somewhere and to know what you like to use so I can help maybe |
| 14:20 | -!- | milkt_ [~debian@86MAABEEA.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:20 | -!- | milkt_ is "debian" on #fdroid #tor #debian-next #debian |
| 14:20 | -!- | GZJ0X_ [~GZJ0X@199.193.127.138.16clouds.com] has joined #debian |
| 14:20 | -!- | GZJ0X_ is "realname" on #virt #publiclab #debian #ceph |
| 14:21 | -!- | milkt [~debian@0002812a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 14:22 | -!- | texou [~jp@000178ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:22 | -!- | texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #hyprateam #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-a11y |
| 14:22 | <sney> | Ares000: lisp is taught in SICP, which is a famous computer science textbook, and some free courses on MIT's website. it can also be a good place to start. |
| 14:22 | <sychill> | synaptic does not have a polkit policy for running a terminal, only for running itself. I guess the terminals that run as root automatically inherit the privs from the parent synaptic process |
| 14:22 | <sney> | Ares000: however, I still recommend python, because it's actually used for a lot of modern applications. once you learn python, you can start making programs right away. once you learn lisp, you would have to apply your lisp knowledge to (quickly) learn other languages before you start making anything useful |
| 14:23 | <Ares000> | love you sney! thank you so much! |
| 14:23 | <sney> | Ares000: but either one works - the point is to learn programming fundamentals and concepts, and once you understand that, any language is in your grasp |
| 14:23 | <jmcnaught> | MIT OCW also has a Python intro to computer science free course |
| 14:23 | <alex11> | python is also known for code readability, which is an asset as a beginner |
| 14:25 | -!- | zebrag [~inkbottle@00027865.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:25 | -!- | zebrag is "inkbottle" on #wayland #debian-offtopic #oftc #debian-kde #debian-next #debian #kernelnewbies |
| 14:25 | -!- | Nex8192 [~Nex8192@00028978.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:25 | -!- | Nex8192 is "Nex Light" on #rust-gamedev #postmarketos #fdroid #debian #C #bash |
| 14:25 | <sychill> | Ares000: not usre why someone suggested Lisp as a learning language. It's quite obscure and different from other languages, and the excessive use of paranthesis is maddening and makes the code hard to read. |
| 14:25 | <sychill> | s/usre/sure/ |
| 14:26 | -!- | Qtronix [~qtronix@cm-84.213.108.169.getinternet.no] has joined #debian |
| 14:26 | -!- | Qtronix is "Marius" on #raspberrypi @#rivendell #debian #linux |
| 14:26 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I also intalled mupdf-tools but isn't it already a CLI? what is added? |
| 14:27 | <zleap> | hi |
| 14:27 | <zleap> | i managed to find a gui option the other day to get a 2nd hard disk to mount so I could write to it, using debian 11 and xfce4 |
| 14:27 | <jmcnaught> | scorpion2185[m]: "dpkg -L mupdf-tools" to see what files it installed |
| 14:27 | <zleap> | not sure what I used as i just 'happened' on the right thing that worked |
| 14:28 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 1012] by debhelper |
| 14:28 | <sychill> | Ares000: do you have a goal in mind? Pascal comes to mind because it's a quite readable compiled language and it was designed specifically for teaching programming. But it's not used in industry. Ada has similar readability characteristics to Pascal but has /some/ practical use industry. And Ada also teaches you discipline. |
| 14:28 | -!- | xace [~noname@0002014a.user.oftc.net] has left #debian [] |
| 14:29 | <scorpion2185[m]> | ah the command is mutool |
| 14:29 | <Ares000> | I did learn some ansi C in my high school but i did just math with it, no any low code as drivers, no any advanced code. I did learn Pascal and I made a Delphy project as well 15 years ago but I think those languages are not used anymore |
| 14:29 | <Ares000> | I don`t know exactly this is why I am asking |
| 14:30 | <scorpion2185[m]> | also man mutool and not man mupdf-tools |
| 14:30 | <amacater> | Ares000: If you've done _some_ programming, however long ago - maybe start with Python3 |
| 14:30 | -!- | Brainium [~brainium@00028330.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 14:31 | <Ares000> | I know some programming logic and electronics but I don`t know where to start with you, it was 15 years ago, I did radio transmissions in the army... |
| 14:31 | <Ares000> | thank you ¬ |
| 14:31 | <Ares000> | ! |
| 14:32 | <eight> | Ares000: If you are looking to learn computer science as a whole, then I would recommend SICP with Racket. If you are looking to something practical, then I would recommend playing around with MicroPython on ESP8266/ESP32 |
| 14:32 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] |
| 14:33 | -!- | Qtronix [~qtronix@cm-84.213.108.169.getinternet.no] has quit [] |
| 14:33 | <Ares000> | I will try! Thank you @eight |
| 14:33 | <eight> | I feel that they are better than the usual learn Python syntax then make stupid programs like hangman or the famous book that I forget the name |
| 14:33 | <eight> | Good luck |
| 14:35 | <sychill> | i've seen some pretty cryptic Python, so you might want to find a guide that avoids more bizarre constructs |
| 14:36 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACO3D.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 14:39 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACO36.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:39 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #tor #debian |
| 14:41 | -!- | pavlushka [~pavlushka@00021abb.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 14:43 | -!- | czesmir_ [~stefan@aeif17.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] |
| 14:44 | -!- | czesmir [~stefan@aeif17.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian |
| 14:44 | -!- | czesmir is "Stefan" on #debian |
| 14:47 | -!- | _234 [~oftc-webi@2601:410:80:b080:c02a:d748:3e62:23df] has joined #debian |
| 14:47 | -!- | _234 is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 14:48 | -!- | gelignite [~gelignite@55d493a6.access.ecotel.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:48 | -!- | gelignite is "gelignite" on #debian #llvm #openttd |
| 14:49 | -!- | choozy [~quassel@75-63-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #debian |
| 14:49 | -!- | choozy is "Choozy VAHFG" on #debian #nouveau #asahi-gpu #asahi #lxde |
| 14:52 | -!- | romo [~romo@romo.user.oftc.net] has left #debian [] |
| 14:53 | -!- | andibmu [~andi@94.134.93.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 14:58 | -!- | netvor [~amahdal@ip-94-112-143-195.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #debian |
| 14:58 | -!- | netvor is "amahdal" on #debian |
| 14:58 | <sychill> | fuck yeah! finally was able to run "pkexec terminator". Indeed i needed to construct an XML config file and a pkla file, and i had to run "xhost +si:localuser:root". I appreciate everyone's help. |
| 14:59 | <sychill> | nice thing is it doesn't even need me to enter a password |
| 15:00 | <sychill> | so the setup was far more complex than the old gksudo way, but it's more convenient in the long run to not have to enter a pw |
| 15:00 | <jhutchins> | Ares000: Whoever told you to learn lisp was pulling your leg. The original purpose of lisp was to use in computer since classess to show the common logic of programming. |
| 15:01 | <jhutchins> | Ares000: Great theory, but I know of few if any functional programs that use it. |
| 15:02 | <amacater> | Ares000: if you want to extend the internals of the Emacs editor, its programmed in elisp - which is a Lisp derivative - but is very old now and barely worth learning |
| 15:02 | <jhutchins> | sychill: I've seen cryptic, obfuscated bash scripts. Anybody can write bad code. Unfortunately, some do so on purpose. |
| 15:03 | <alex11> | yeah if someone actually *wants* to learn a bit of emacs then i'm sure elisp is worth investing time in |
| 15:03 | <alex11> | but i do probably recommend python before anything else |
| 15:03 | <jhutchins> | alex11: Yeah, but his goal isn't learning emacs. |
| 15:04 | <imMute> | sychill: couldn't you setup sudo access for your user and not require a password? why does the terminal emulator also have to run as root? |
| 15:04 | <sychill> | jhutchins: i didn't mean creative obfuscation by the user. I meant that the Python language includes constructs that are inherently cryptic (there is no non-cryptic way to use them) |
| 15:04 | -!- | netvor_ [~amahdal@ip-94-112-129-181.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 15:04 | <alex11> | my statement was a general one |
| 15:06 | <sychill> | imMute: when the terminal emulator runs as root it ensures that everything running in that terminal also run as root, such as new tabs. If the terminal emulator runs as a normal user, they must sudo in each tab for example |
| 15:07 | <imMute> | sychill: sounds like a feature. |
| 15:07 | <sychill> | imMute: I use colors to make sure my root and user environments are unmistakably different. |
| 15:07 | <sychill> | it's in part for safety as well as convenience. |
| 15:08 | <imMute> | to each their own. I prefer always using sudo so it's obvious what parts run as root and which parts don't (and I try to do as much as possible as non-root) |
| 15:08 | <jmcnaught> | Maybe you could have changed root's $PS1 prompt if you wanted a visual difference? |
| 15:08 | -!- | amacater [~amacater@77.97.174.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 15:08 | <sychill> | imMute: i have a user terminal running as well for all user commands |
| 15:09 | <imMute> | now you don't have a complete log of what commands you ran. some of it is in the user's history and the rest is in root's. |
| 15:10 | <sychill> | imMute: my histories don't get mixed up. My user history is only user commands, and root's history only shows root's commands |
| 15:11 | <sychill> | but gnu screen screws with the history and i've not tried to get a handle on that. It seems one screen window commands are kept across reboots while others are not |
| 15:12 | <jhutchins> | sychill: Make sure you close each window before you reboot. Bash history is only written on logout. |
| 15:12 | <sychill> | imMute: i would think you would have a problem with the commands in the wrong history. When you run "sudo foo" as a user, isn't that stored in the user's history not roots? |
| 15:13 | <sychill> | jhutchins: ah, thanks for the tip |
| 15:13 | <imMute> | sychill: it's not screen, it's that each bash process writes the history when it exits. so the last one to exit get's the history written (overwriting the changes from the other shells) |
| 15:13 | <jhutchins> | imMute: I dpm |
| 15:13 | <imMute> | sychill: yes, it's stored in the user history. so I can look at *one* history and see *all* the commands I ran, in the correct order. |
| 15:13 | <imMute> | jhutchins: dpm? |
| 15:14 | <jhutchins> | imMute: I don't believe that sessions running under screen are logged out when screen is killed, I think they're just killed. |
| 15:15 | <imMute> | jhutchins: that could be. I've not looked that closely at it. but if *one* of them gets saved, what I said would be most likely the reason why |
| 15:15 | <imMute> | jhutchins: I would guess that SIGTERM is passed to all the shell instances and they gracefully exit (dunno if that's different than "logout" or not) |
| 15:16 | <jhutchins> | imMute: Yes, it's different. |
| 15:17 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACO36.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 15:17 | <imMute> | shows how much I know about shells I guess. |
| 15:18 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 1006] by debhelper |
| 15:19 | -!- | ddsys [~ddsys@0002a5a5.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:19 | -!- | ddsys is "ddsys" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian |
| 15:22 | -!- | Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 15:22 | <sussudio> | the three shells? |
| 15:22 | <omegatron> | yes, THOSE shells |
| 15:23 | <jmcnaught> | Does bash get a different signal than SIGTERM if you close the terminal emulator window? Because in that case the history is written. |
| 15:23 | <sychill> | jmcnaught: i think i tried altering the $PS1 prompt. I don't recall the issue exactly but I think the background colors didn't work right |
| 15:23 | -!- | gusnan [~gusnan@85.226.217.108] has joined #debian |
| 15:23 | -!- | gusnan is "Andreas Rönnquist" on #debian |
| 15:24 | -!- | boldsuck [~marco@2001:4dd0:200:403:8080::4] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 15:25 | <Ares000> | amacater, jhutchins thank you! |
| 15:28 | <sychill> | jmcnaught: not sure, but it wouldn't help in the case of gnu screen because screen keeps the sessions alive. killing the terminal window just causes the screen sessions to become detached. |
| 15:28 | -!- | gnugr [~gnugr@gnugr.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 15:29 | <sychill> | ..and that's a great thing. If your machine crashes and the screen session is remote, you can re-attach when after you recover |
| 15:30 | <imMute> | sychill: I think jmcnaught was talking about if you just have a plain shell running in the terminal emulator tab and you close the tab - what does that bash instance get for a signal and what does it do as a response. |
| 15:31 | -!- | wvdakker [~wvdakker@0002ab65.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:31 | -!- | wvdakker is "wvdakker" on #debian |
| 15:33 | -!- | bertbob [~bertbob@67-2-50-232.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:33 | -!- | bertbob is "Bert" on #debian #debian-next |
| 15:33 | -!- | gdb [~cbell@136.32.21.117] has joined #debian |
| 15:33 | -!- | gdb is "Christofer C. Bell" on #debian |
| 15:38 | -!- | _234 [~oftc-webi@2601:410:80:b080:c02a:d748:3e62:23df] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 15:39 | -!- | GZJ0X_ [~GZJ0X@199.193.127.138.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 15:39 | <jmcnaught> | The answer to my question appears to be SIGHUP |
| 15:45 | -!- | srgrint_ [~srgrint@13.201.159.143.dyn.plus.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:45 | -!- | srgrint_ is "Simon Richard Grint" on #debian |
| 15:45 | -!- | WizardGed [~WizardGed@0001fb9e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] |
| 15:45 | -!- | WizardGed [~WizardGed@andrewdemarsh.ca] has joined #debian |
| 15:45 | -!- | WizardGed is "WizardGed" on #debian-next #debian |
| 15:49 | -!- | xgpt [~dietpi@pool-173-53-81-237.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:49 | -!- | xgpt is "dietpi" on #debian |
| 15:50 | <xgpt> | hello! I'm curious about noSQL options on debian considering mongodb and couchdb don't seem to be in official repos, any recommendations for NoSQL that are available within the official repos? |
| 15:52 | -!- | bullgard4 [~bullgard4@dslb-094-223-124-089.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [] |
| 15:52 | <xgpt> | :/ |
| 15:52 | -!- | xgpt [~dietpi@pool-173-53-81-237.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3] |
| 15:53 | <omegatron> | was this some ad-bot or what? |
| 15:53 | <alex11> | literally 2 minutes |
| 15:53 | <sney> | they were in libera #debian asking the same thing. no patience |
| 15:54 | <omegatron> | *sigh* |
| 15:54 | -!- | Blacker47 [~Blacker47@00014f22.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Life is short. Get a V.90 modem fast!] |
| 15:55 | <quadrat> | hm, are there nosql options in debian? |
| 15:55 | <sarnold> | that was two minutes longer than some.. heh |
| 15:55 | <imMute> | quadrat: I found redis. |
| 15:55 | -!- | trebmuh [~Olivier@trebmuh.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 15:55 | <sney> | whitedb is listed in apt search, no idea as to quality |
| 15:58 | -!- | wytchmaster [~wytchmast@2003:a:a13:3002:161e:d791:2a2c:975d] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] |
| 15:59 | <quadrat> | thanks, so seems like outside of redis none other |
| 16:01 | <sarnold> | lmdb |
| 16:01 | -!- | gelignite [~gelignite@55d493a6.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Quit: Stay safe!] |
| 16:03 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 16:05 | -!- | towo` [~towo@00012f0f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 16:05 | -!- | czesmir [~stefan@aeif17.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] |
| 16:06 | -!- | towo` [~towo@00012f0f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:06 | -!- | towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vbox #vboxger #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #siduction-admin #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian |
| 16:06 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e008ad7c065056e4725.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 16:06 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has joined #debian |
| 16:06 | -!- | kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-ai #debian-next |
| 16:08 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 1000] by debhelper |
| 16:12 | -!- | illwieckz [~illwieckz@2a01cb0088323e0094bba0f11575e6ce.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian |
| 16:12 | -!- | illwieckz is "Thomas Debesse" on #debian #debianfr #oolite #oolite-dev #haiku #radeon #dri-devel |
| 16:13 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:13 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #debian |
| 16:14 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 16:14 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian |
| 16:14 | -!- | Kolusion is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian |
| 16:14 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #debian |
| 16:14 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:15 | <Kolusion> | Was looking for amacater.. will come back another day |
| 16:16 | -!- | debalance [~quassel@00017b9a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 16:16 | -!- | Kolusion [~oftc-webi@14-201-55-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] |
| 16:21 | -!- | kwilczynski [sid379192@000109a9.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 16:26 | -!- | mezzo [~mezzo@176-141-171-88.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: leaving] |
| 16:27 | -!- | ahso [~Thunderbi@0002b3cf.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: bye] |
| 16:28 | -!- | gnugr [~gnugr@45.66.43.187] has joined #debian |
| 16:28 | -!- | gnugr is "Vangelis Mouhtsis" on #oftc #debian-xfce #debian-owncloud #debian-devel-changes #debian #debian-ayatana |
| 16:31 | -!- | ax562 [~ax562@0002ac27.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:31 | -!- | ax562 is "realname" on #linux #debian #debian-next |
| 16:33 | -!- | DusXMT [~dusxmt@62-152-238-151.rev.swan.sk] has joined #debian |
| 16:33 | -!- | DusXMT is "Thus, echs am tea." on #debian-offtopic #debian |
| 16:34 | -!- | jzz [~jzz@0002ba56.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:34 | -!- | jzz is "Johannes Zarl-Zierl" on #debian-kde #debian |
| 16:34 | -!- | GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 16:34 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:fceb:eecc:bb17:48cf] has joined #debian |
| 16:34 | -!- | newtons is "newtons" on #debian |
| 16:36 | -!- | odnes [~odnes@109-178-161-244.pat.ren.cosmote.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:36 | -!- | odnes is "realname" on #alpine-offtopic #linode #haiku #alpine-linux #debian |
| 16:36 | -!- | odnes [~odnes@109-178-161-244.pat.ren.cosmote.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 16:37 | -!- | GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined #debian |
| 16:37 | -!- | GenTooMan is "realname" on #debian #debian-games #debian-next #debian-rust |
| 16:40 | -!- | ElPresidente [~ElPreside@2600:1700:3d10:4870:19bc:45bb:c530:25ad] has joined #debian |
| 16:40 | -!- | ElPresidente is "realname" on #debian |
| 16:41 | -!- | live [~live@213.0.107.74] has joined #debian |
| 16:41 | -!- | live is "realname" on #debian |
| 16:42 | -!- | live [~live@213.0.107.74] has quit [] |
| 16:44 | -!- | bahamat [~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:6c92:d901:2547:ef16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 16:44 | -!- | wwilliam [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has joined #debian |
| 16:44 | -!- | wwilliam is "Wwilliam" on #debian |
| 16:46 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@000292fc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 16:47 | -!- | wvdakker [~wvdakker@0002ab65.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: wvdakker] |
| 16:48 | -!- | ax56234 [~NickServ@0002affd.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:48 | -!- | ax56234 is "truth" on #debian |
| 16:48 | -!- | diogenes_oftc [~diogenes_@188.208.123.41] has quit [Quit: vergissmeinnicht] |
| 16:50 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@66-183-233-186.raimax.com.br] has joined #debian |
| 16:50 | -!- | Linux77 is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian-br #cap-cc #debian-next #debian |
| 16:50 | -!- | shibboleth [~shibbolet@000288d9.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:50 | -!- | shibboleth is "/" on #debian-offtopic #virt #tor #samband #redditprivacy #Qubes_OS #privacytech @##privacy-news @##privacy #linux #debian-nordic #debian-next #debian #Corsair @##politics |
| 16:50 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@7YZAABJNP.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:50 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #fdroid #oftc #tor #debian |
| 16:52 | -!- | wwilliam [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 16:53 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@7YZAABJNP.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 16:54 | <Guest590> | What's a good firewall utility in debian nowadays? I used to use shorewall a long time ago and liked the way it's configured, but it seems to not have much of a future as it's iptables only |
| 16:54 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8L3AADKJE.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 16:54 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 16:54 | <ratrace> | I switched from shorewal to plain iptables, hand written files in /etc/iptables/ for iptables-persistent package |
| 16:55 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:fceb:eecc:bb17:48cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] |
| 16:56 | <Guest590> | What I liked from shorewall is sane defaults and the zone-based syntax with no configuration overhead |
| 16:56 | <sney> | if you're starting fresh, you may as well learn nftables syntax so you don't have to migrate when netfilter eventually deprecates iptables |
| 16:56 | -!- | f10_ [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 16:57 | <Guest590> | sney: yeah, I'm looking into that, just wondering if there's something like shorewall was to iptables |
| 16:57 | <Guest590> | I took a look into firewalld and didn't like it |
| 16:57 | <sney> | I think firewalld fills that niche currently |
| 16:57 | <sney> | yeah |
| 16:57 | -!- | f10_ [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 16:57 | -!- | f10_ is "f10" on #debian |
| 16:57 | <NthDegree> | ufw is a valid option too |
| 16:57 | <Guest590> | XML/command line configuration only irks me |
| 16:58 | <NthDegree> | ufw stores the rules as comments next to equivalent iptables rules, so when iptables goes EOL, ufw will seamlessly migrate |
| 16:58 | <Guest590> | I like being able to just cat a couple of files and understand the rules |
| 16:58 | <NthDegree> | ufw uses iptables-save/iptables-restore like syntax with comments above |
| 16:58 | <Guest590> | NthDegree: but does it support nftables? |
| 16:59 | <NthDegree> | Last I checked it just uses iptables but when nftables is the only option, your ufw rules will end up seamlessly migrated |
| 17:00 | -!- | hlauer [~hlauer@ip5f596799.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 17:00 | -!- | hlauer is "realname" on #debian |
| 17:00 | <NthDegree> | because they abstract away the layers for you provided you stick to using the basic functionality it offers |
| 17:02 | <imMute> | sney: fwiw, netfilter is the filering in the kernel, iptables and nftables are APIs for netfilter. |
| 17:03 | -!- | gabuscus_ [~quassel@79.119.239.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 17:03 | <sney> | imMute: netfilter.org is also the upstream for both toolsets, and the ones in charge of deprecating one in favor of the other. |
| 17:03 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:03 | -!- | dvs is "realname" on #debian |
| 17:03 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] |
| 17:04 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #debian |
| 17:04 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel is "AP2,,," on #debian |
| 17:06 | -!- | satanist is now known as hanna |
| 17:06 | -!- | gabuscus [~quassel@79.114.18.215] has joined #debian |
| 17:06 | -!- | gabuscus is "gabuscus" on #debian |
| 17:06 | -!- | f10_ [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 17:07 | -!- | hanna is now known as satanist |
| 17:07 | -!- | wwallace [~afernande@63.240.73.102] has joined #debian |
| 17:07 | -!- | wwallace is "Wwilliam" on #debian |
| 17:07 | -!- | wwallace is now known as wwilliam |
| 17:08 | <wwilliam> | Hello |
| 17:09 | -!- | andibmu [~andi@94.134.93.58] has joined #debian |
| 17:09 | -!- | andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan |
| 17:10 | -!- | Jad [~Nashmi@0002ae6d.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Benefits I derive from freedom are largely the result of the uses of freedom by others, and mostly of those uses of freedom that I could never avail mys] |
| 17:12 | -!- | andibmu [~andi@94.134.93.58] has quit [] |
| 17:12 | -!- | hele [~hele@88-115-23-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian |
| 17:12 | -!- | hele is "hele" on #debian-next #debian |
| 17:16 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:16 | -!- | TheCreeper [~TheCreepe@000209ab.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:16 | -!- | TheCreeper is "realname" on #debian |
| 17:20 | -!- | Gilou [~me@0002bc29.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:20 | -!- | Gilou [~me@0002bc29.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:20 | -!- | Gilou is "realname" on #debian |
| 17:25 | <quadrat> | Guest590 last time I looked, the guy behind ufw, didn't want to port it over to nftables _shrug_ that's why I transitioned to nftables directly |
| 17:26 | <cmm11> | firewalld is a nice alternative to ufw |
| 17:27 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 17:30 | -!- | kathenas [~kathenas@2a02:c7f:e512:a500:6520:a782:87e7:fcb0] has joined #debian |
| 17:30 | -!- | kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-ai #debian-next |
| 17:31 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8L3AADKJE.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:32 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7JB.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:32 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 17:32 | <echoSMILE> | After an upgrade is there the possibility to ipv6 been activated and firewall rules being altered? |
| 17:33 | <sney> | echoSMILE: unlikely, but depends on how those things were configured prior to the upgrade. |
| 17:33 | <sney> | what debian version is this, what upgrade are you referring to, and how is your firewall configured? |
| 17:36 | -!- | gabuscus_ [~quassel@79.113.84.255] has joined #debian |
| 17:36 | -!- | gabuscus_ is "gabuscus" on #debian |
| 17:37 | -!- | batdog [~batdog@lnsq.elkins.co] has quit [Quit: Bye] |
| 17:37 | <echoSMILE> | sney: from the previous version to the last one 10.10. The firewall is a script with the rules. |
| 17:38 | <sney> | from 10.9 to 10.10? |
| 17:38 | <echoSMILE> | yes |
| 17:38 | <sney> | there should definitely not be any networking changes from a point release, can you provide more details about what happened? |
| 17:39 | -!- | batdog [~batdog@lnsq.elkins.co] has joined #debian |
| 17:39 | -!- | batdog is "Bat.Dog" on #debian |
| 17:39 | <echoSMILE> | sney: basically one day to another, ipv6 was activated and iptables policies changed to ACCEPT |
| 17:39 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has left #debian [Machine going to sleep] |
| 17:39 | <echoSMILE> | weird, the script for fw the policies are drop |
| 17:40 | <echoSMILE> | and the ipv6 still is ignored at network manager (at xfce) |
| 17:42 | -!- | gabuscus [~quassel@0002aa59.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 17:42 | -!- | a_landim_xhkl [~andre.lan@177.194.0.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 17:44 | -!- | jnavila [~jnavila@2a01:e0a:d1:f360:db3a:c42:94ae:a447] has quit [] |
| 17:46 | <dvs> | ,info iptables-persistent |
| 17:46 | <judd> | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: boot-time loader for netfilter rules, iptables plugin. Version: 1.0.11+deb10u1; Size: 11.5k; Installed: 42k |
| 17:46 | -!- | dutch [~dutch@00028048.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 17:46 | -!- | alex11 [~alex11@bras-base-mtrlpq5302w-grc-36-76-71-165-24.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 17:48 | -!- | dutch [~dutch@00028048.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:48 | -!- | dutch is "dutch" on #debian-next #debian #oftc |
| 17:48 | <echoSMILE> | dvs: what about the policies ? |
| 17:48 | -!- | choozy [~quassel@75-63-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:49 | -!- | _0bitcount [~BigByte@90.162.105.206] has joined #debian |
| 17:49 | -!- | _0bitcount is "realname" on #debian #alpine-linux #suckless |
| 17:49 | <dvs> | echoSMILE: How did you save the policies? |
| 17:50 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7JB.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:50 | <echoSMILE> | I didn't save anything, I just execute the script manually |
| 17:50 | -!- | hele [~hele@88-115-23-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 17:50 | -!- | hlauer [~hlauer@ip5f596799.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 17:50 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@45.153.160.131] has joined #debian |
| 17:50 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 17:50 | -!- | _0bitcount [~BigByte@90.162.105.206] has quit [] |
| 17:50 | <echoSMILE> | dvs: not sure how the rules are there, but policies are accept. |
| 17:51 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has joined #debian |
| 17:51 | -!- | xylo is "xylo" on #debian |
| 17:51 | -!- | lad_ [~lad@23-121-67-46.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:51 | -!- | lad_ is "realname" on #debian |
| 17:52 | -!- | lad [~lad@2600:1700:8d40:1fd0::36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:54 | -!- | Tj [~soggy@2a01:7e00:e001:ee01:ea6f:38ff:fed4:3289] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] |
| 17:55 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:55 | -!- | srgrint_ [~srgrint@13.201.159.143.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: srgrint_] |
| 17:57 | -!- | ax56234 [~NickServ@0002affd.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 17:57 | -!- | PaMeDa [~apauli@dynamic-095-112-132-093.95.112.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 17:57 | -!- | PaMeDa is "apauli" on #debian |
| 17:58 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 17:58 | -!- | tyzef[m] is "tyzef[m]" on #debian-next #nakedeb #3hg #debian |
| 18:00 | -!- | misaelcc [~smuxi@189.174.220.53] has joined #debian |
| 18:00 | -!- | misaelcc is "Your Name" on #debian |
| 18:00 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 18:01 | -!- | gildasio [~gildasio@gildasio.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gildasio] |
| 18:01 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 18:01 | -!- | tyzef[m] is "tyzef[m]" on #debian-next #nakedeb #3hg #debian |
| 18:01 | -!- | misaelcc [~smuxi@189.174.220.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:02 | -!- | apauli [~apauli@dynamic-077-000-126-185.77.0.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:05 | -!- | zleap [~Paul@00028cc7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 18:08 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 994] by debhelper |
| 18:08 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:08 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@7YZAABJO8.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:08 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7JX.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:08 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 18:11 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 18:11 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 18:14 | -!- | pgimeno [~pgimeno@185.161.43.117] has joined #debian |
| 18:14 | -!- | pgimeno is "Pedro Gimeno" on #debian |
| 18:14 | -!- | _zxq9_ [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-161-76.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: バイバイ！ (^_^)/~] |
| 18:16 | <pgimeno> | is it possible to prevent the update system from replacing a single file in /usr/bin? |
| 18:16 | <pgimeno> | like holding a package, except that it's a single file of a package |
| 18:18 | -!- | tagomago [~tagomago@83.138.219.206.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 18:20 | -!- | alex11 [~alex11@bras-base-mtrlpq5302w-grc-36-76-71-165-24.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian |
| 18:20 | -!- | alex11 is "your worst nightmare" on #bitlbee #debian-next #debian |
| 18:20 | -!- | apauli [~apauli@dynamic-077-010-168-106.77.10.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 18:20 | -!- | apauli is "apauli" on #debian |
| 18:24 | <sney> | !divert |
| 18:24 | <dpkg> | Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html. Working with the package management system is much easier than trying to work against it. |
| 18:24 | <sney> | pgimeno: ^ |
| 18:24 | -!- | PaMeDa [~apauli@dynamic-095-112-132-093.95.112.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:26 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:26 | -!- | clawh [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:27 | -!- | AngryTurtle [~uwsAngryT@ppp-2-84-148-204.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian |
| 18:27 | -!- | AngryTurtle is "realname" on #debian |
| 18:27 | -!- | AngryTurtle [~uwsAngryT@ppp-2-84-148-204.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] |
| 18:28 | -!- | AngryTurtle [~uwsAngryT@ppp-2-84-148-204.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian |
| 18:28 | -!- | AngryTurtle is "realname" on #debian |
| 18:29 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 18:29 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 18:29 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 18:29 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@4G4AAB7JX.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:29 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACCR3.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:29 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 18:29 | -!- | AngryTurtle [~uwsAngryT@ppp-2-84-148-204.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] |
| 18:30 | -!- | eroux is "Eugéne Roux" on #ceph #oftc #linux #llvm #kvm #ovirt #llvmlinux #Corsair |
| 18:30 | -!- | eroux [~eroux@0002c23f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:30 | <pgimeno> | sney: thanks, trying to understand how that works. For example I have a "diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by firefox-esr", but I don't have any /usr/bin/firefox.real. When I next install a package with Firefox, will the main executable be named firefox.real? |
| 18:32 | <sney> | I think so, I haven't tried it in a while |
| 18:32 | <ratrace> | pgimeno: yes, I think that means what the package _would_ install as /usr/bin/firefox it _will_ (divert to and) install as /usr/bin/firefox.real |
| 18:32 | -!- | ee2455 [~ee2455@0001c7c0.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:33 | -!- | kwilczynski [sid379192@000109a9.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:33 | -!- | kwilczynski is "Krzysztof Wilczyński" on #debian #ck #C |
| 18:33 | <pgimeno> | here's the thing, the program clear_console that comes with bash is causing me big issues and I've replaced it with a symbolic link to /bin/true. If I add a diversion for it, will it never be replaced by the original again? |
| 18:35 | <ratrace> | that's how I understand diversions work |
| 18:36 | -!- | jstein [~jstein@xdsl-87-78-11-217.nc.de] has joined #debian |
| 18:36 | -!- | jstein is "Jonas Stein" on @#mint @#fsfe @#trolug #freedesktop #debian #kernelnewbies |
| 18:37 | <pgimeno> | ok, thank you very much, let's hope that's the case |
| 18:39 | <pgimeno> | thanks again to both |
| 18:39 | -!- | pgimeno [~pgimeno@185.161.43.117] has quit [Quit: This is the default quit message] |
| 18:40 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 18:40 | -!- | tizef is "realname" on #debianfr #debian-quebec #debian-qemu #debian-offtopic #debian-nantes #3hg #nakedeb #debian-next #debian |
| 18:41 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@8VQAACCR3.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 18:42 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACPAW.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:42 | -!- | sproutnikus is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 18:44 | -!- | kwilczynski [sid379192@000109a9.user.oftc.net] has left #debian [] |
| 18:44 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 18:44 | -!- | f10 is "f10" on #debian-kde #debian |
| 18:44 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@000292fc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:47 | -!- | Nex8192 [~Nex8192@00028978.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:49 | -!- | bahamat [~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:bdb3:9f71:8f79:6ec3] has joined #debian |
| 18:49 | -!- | bahamat is "Brian Bennett" on #debian |
| 18:54 | -!- | rudds [~rudds@157-131-79-55.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 18:56 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@186.235.105.168] has joined #debian |
| 18:56 | -!- | Linux77 is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian-br #cap-cc #debian-next #debian |
| 18:56 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:56 | -!- | semeion is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 18:56 | -!- | nyov is now known as Guest933 |
| 18:57 | -!- | nyov [~nyov@nyov.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:57 | -!- | nyov is "nyov" on #postmarketos #debian #oftc |
| 19:00 | -!- | ilmostro [~ilmostro@fedpad.nebulae.systems] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 19:00 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@000292fc.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 19:01 | -!- | semeion_ [~semeion@186.193.18.148] has joined #debian |
| 19:01 | -!- | semeion_ is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 19:03 | -!- | mnemonic [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:03 | -!- | futune_ [~futune@ti0578q160-2012.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:04 | -!- | Guest933 [~nyov@nyov.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:04 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:04 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 19:04 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 19:08 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:11 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:11 | -!- | semeion is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 19:11 | -!- | clawh [~clawh@185.244.214.60] has joined #debian |
| 19:11 | -!- | clawh is "realname" on #debian #tor |
| 19:13 | -!- | ftobich [~fabio@seven.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 19:14 | -!- | Stumpfenstiel [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:15 | -!- | mnemonic [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:15 | -!- | mnemonic is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 19:15 | -!- | abdulocracy1 [~meabduloc@83.24.146.44.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] |
| 19:16 | -!- | abdulocracy1 [~meabduloc@83.24.146.44.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #debian |
| 19:16 | -!- | abdulocracy1 is "@me:abdulocra.cy" on #debian |
| 19:17 | -!- | semeion_ [~semeion@186.193.18.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:18 | -!- | lucas__ [~lucascast@177-185-133-236.dynamic.isotelco.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:19 | -!- | lucas__ [~lucascast@177-185-133-236.dynamic.isotelco.net.br] has joined #debian |
| 19:19 | -!- | lucas__ is "Lucas Castro" on #debian-br #debian-devel-br #debian #kernelnewbies |
| 19:21 | -!- | jzz [~jzz@0002ba56.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 19:22 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:24 | -!- | Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:26 | -!- | Gombye [~Gombye@4G4AAB287.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:26 | -!- | Gombye is "Gombye" on #debian #tor #monero |
| 19:27 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:27 | -!- | dvs is "realname" on #debian |
| 19:27 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:28 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 988] by debhelper |
| 19:29 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 19:29 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 19:29 | -!- | ymusachio [~ymusachio@179.34.28.190] has joined #debian |
| 19:29 | -!- | ymusachio is "Yuri Musachio" on #debian |
| 19:32 | -!- | BenNZ [~Ben@203.96.218.156] has joined #debian |
| 19:32 | -!- | BenNZ is "Ben" on #vbox #debian #debian-next |
| 19:35 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:35 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 19:35 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 19:40 | -!- | vincent- [~vincent-@cpc87559-seve28-2-0-cust94.13-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:41 | -!- | gingerweng [~gingerwen@2001-b011-3815-5159-af5d-e8c7-6156-272c.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:41 | -!- | gingerweng is "realname" on #debian |
| 19:42 | -!- | gingerweng [~gingerwen@2001-b011-3815-5159-af5d-e8c7-6156-272c.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [] |
| 19:44 | -!- | marvil07 [~marvil07@00026aaf.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:44 | -!- | marvil07 is "Marco Villegas" on #debian #debian-php #debian-peru #debian-vim #tinker #testtest001 #debian-next |
| 19:44 | -!- | marvil07 [~marvil07@00026aaf.user.oftc.net] has left #debian [] |
| 19:46 | -!- | futune [~futune@ti0578q160-2012.bb.online.no] has joined #debian |
| 19:46 | -!- | futune is "realname" on #postmarketos #alpine-linux #debian |
| 19:47 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:52 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 19:52 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 19:52 | -!- | jstein [~jstein@xdsl-87-78-11-217.nc.de] has quit [] |
| 19:53 | -!- | dragestil [~quassel@180-150-39-25.b49627.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 19:54 | -!- | hendursaga [~weechat@7YZAABI8P.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: hendursaga] |
| 19:56 | -!- | hendursaga [~weechat@8VQAACCTW.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:56 | -!- | hendursaga is "weechat" on #robigalia #debian #postmarketos #kernelnewbies |
| 19:56 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:56 | -!- | semeion is "semeion" on #help #oftc #lxde #debian #bitlbee |
| 19:57 | -!- | kwilczynski [sid379192@000109a9.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:57 | -!- | kwilczynski is "Krzysztof Wilczyński" on #debian #ck #C #kernelnewbies |
| 19:59 | -!- | dragestil [~quassel@180-150-37-64.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:59 | -!- | dragestil is "dragestil" on #fdroid #slug #debian #tor #taslug |
| 20:00 | -!- | greenJim [~Jean-Marc@2001:913:1fff:ffff::3d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:01 | -!- | ilmostro [~ilmostro@fedpad.nebulae.systems] has joined #debian |
| 20:01 | -!- | ilmostro is "ilmostro" on #debian |
| 20:02 | -!- | PaMeDa [~apauli@dynamic-095-112-230-239.95.112.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #debian |
| 20:02 | -!- | PaMeDa is "apauli" on #debian |
| 20:03 | -!- | mnemonic [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:04 | -!- | filexx_ [~filexx_@host45-33-231-152.tigobusiness.com.ni] has joined #debian |
| 20:04 | -!- | filexx_ is "filexx_" on #debian |
| 20:06 | -!- | ax56234 [~NickServ@0002affd.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:06 | -!- | ax56234 is "truth" on #debian |
| 20:08 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 994] by debhelper |
| 20:09 | -!- | apauli [~apauli@dynamic-077-010-168-106.77.10.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:09 | -!- | BenNZ [~Ben@203.96.218.156] has quit [Quit: Everytime I think IQ's must have dropped recently, I remember that this is the internet] |
| 20:09 | -!- | greenJim [~Jean-Marc@217.137-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian |
| 20:09 | -!- | greenJim is "Jean-Marc" on #debian |
| 20:10 | -!- | dragestil_ [~quassel@180-150-39-0.b49627.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:10 | -!- | dragestil_ is "dragestil" on #slug #debian #tor #taslug |
| 20:11 | -!- | }ls{ [~kalle@000199a5.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:14 | -!- | dragestil [~quassel@180-150-37-64.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 20:19 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 20:21 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 20:22 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 20:22 | -!- | f10 is "f10" on #debian-kde #debian |
| 20:23 | -!- | jdmark [~jdmark@000274e6.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:23 | -!- | jdmark is "jdmark" on #postmarketos-porting #postmarketos #tor-project #tor-dev #debian #tor |
| 20:23 | -!- | Brigo [~Brigo@40.181.60.213.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:26 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 20:26 | -!- | tizef is "realname" on #debian-quebec #debian-qemu #debian-offtopic #debian-nantes #3hg #nakedeb #debian-next #debian |
| 20:28 | -!- | tyzef[m] [~tyzefm]@202.153.82.220] has quit [] |
| 20:28 | -!- | tizef[m] [~tizefm]@202.153.82.220] has joined #debian |
| 20:28 | -!- | tizef[m] is "tizef[m]" on #debian-next #nakedeb #3hg #debian |
| 20:31 | -!- | Roman3349 [~Thunderbi@host-89-203-169-159.ip.topnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:32 | -!- | is0ke3 [~is0ke3@0002bb50.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:32 | -!- | is0ke3 is "is0ke3" on #tor #debian |
| 20:34 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:34 | -!- | quarkyalice_ is "realname" on #postmarketos #postmarketos-devel #postmarketos-mainline #postmarketos-porting #postmarketos-offtopic #postmarketos-lowlevel #asahi #asahi-dev #asahi-gpu #asahi-re #alpine-linux #alpine-devel #alpine-docs #alpine-offtopic #debian #kernelnewbies #debian-offtopic #moocows #oftc |
| 20:34 | -!- | tizef [~tyzef@202.153.82.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 20:37 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 20:38 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 20:38 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 20:40 | -!- | ssantos [~ssantos@2601:184:4080:dfa0:9a9:dc2e:e7f8:6038] has joined #debian |
| 20:40 | -!- | ssantos is "ssantos" on #debian |
| 20:40 | -!- | uos_eric2023 [~quassel@119.4.240.125] has joined #debian |
| 20:40 | -!- | uos_eric2023 is "Quassel IRC 用户" on #debian |
| 20:40 | -!- | ssantos [~ssantos@2601:184:4080:dfa0:9a9:dc2e:e7f8:6038] has quit [] |
| 20:45 | -!- | quarkyalice_ [~quarkyali@0002c721.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:45 | -!- | daniel-molina [~daniel-mo@65.pool85-57-237.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian |
| 20:45 | -!- | daniel-molina is "Daniel" on #debian #debian-next |
| 20:46 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 20:49 | -!- | TheCoffeMaker [~TheCoffeM@0002bafc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 20:50 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 20:50 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 20:52 | -!- | TheCoffeMaker [~TheCoffeM@125-121-245-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #debian |
| 20:52 | -!- | TheCoffeMaker is "TheCoffeMaker" on #xorg #virt #kvm #emdebian #debian-xfce #debian-vim #debian-next #debian-embedded #debian #armdev |
| 20:55 | -!- | daniel-molina [~daniel-mo@65.pool85-57-237.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [] |
| 20:58 | -!- | ddsys [~ddsys@0002a5a5.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 20:58 | -!- | awal1 [~awal1@bras-base-mtrlpq0315w-grc-18-70-55-155-194.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian |
| 20:58 | -!- | awal1 is "realname" on #debian-devel-changes #debian-next #debian |
| 20:58 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 21:02 | -!- | gnugr [~gnugr@gnugr.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:03 | -!- | ArtGravity [~artgravit@0001abc9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ArtGravity] |
| 21:04 | -!- | mbond [~mbond@99-35-18-230.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: mbond] |
| 21:08 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 988] by debhelper |
| 21:12 | -!- | craigevil [~craig@00012e49.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:12 | -!- | craigevil is "craig" on #debian-next #debian |
| 21:14 | -!- | sevu is now known as Guest943 |
| 21:15 | -!- | j_f-f [~quassel@mail2.snct-dialer.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 21:15 | -!- | sevu [~sevu@000261e5.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:15 | -!- | sevu is "realname" on #moocows #debian |
| 21:18 | -!- | j_f-f [~quassel@mail2.snct-dialer.de] has joined #debian |
| 21:18 | -!- | j_f-f is "J\xF6rg Frings-F\xFCrst" on #debconf-miniauditorio #debian-ubuntu #debian #debian-xfce #debconf18-taiwan |
| 21:19 | -!- | Guest943 [~sevu@000261e5.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] |
| 21:20 | -!- | semeion [~semeion@0001996c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] |
| 21:24 | -!- | hegstal [~hegstal@0002c365.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:25 | -!- | Kuririnmagic [~Kuririnma@ec2-34-228-69-5.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #debian |
| 21:25 | -!- | Kuririnmagic is "Kuririnmagic" on #infosec #debian-devel-changes @##brazil #tor-south #redditprivacy #ck #oftc #debian |
| 21:27 | -!- | awal1 [~awal1@bras-base-mtrlpq0315w-grc-18-70-55-155-194.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:27 | -!- | gnugr [~gnugr@45.66.43.187] has joined #debian |
| 21:27 | -!- | gnugr is "Vangelis Mouhtsis" on #oftc #debian-xfce #debian-owncloud #debian-devel-changes #debian #debian-ayatana |
| 21:29 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:29 | -!- | dvs is "realname" on #debian |
| 21:30 | -!- | silver [~hidden@00013ad2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: One for all, all for One (2 Corinthians 5)] |
| 21:35 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] |
| 21:35 | -!- | gabuscus_ [~quassel@79.113.84.255] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 21:35 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian |
| 21:35 | -!- | f10 is "f10" on #debian-kde #debian |
| 21:36 | -!- | awal1 [~awal1@bras-base-mtrlpq0315w-grc-18-70-55-155-194.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian |
| 21:36 | -!- | awal1 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes |
| 21:38 | -!- | shibboleth [~shibbolet@000288d9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: shibboleth] |
| 21:38 | -!- | _Matth_ [~Matth@s203.ALPHA-e18.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #debian |
| 21:38 | -!- | _Matth_ is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 21:41 | -!- | sidmo_ [~sidmo@00026de1.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:41 | -!- | sidmo_ is "sidmo" on #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde #debian |
| 21:42 | -!- | __Matth__ [~Matth@s203.ALPHA-e18.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #debian |
| 21:42 | -!- | __Matth__ is "realname" on #debian-next #debian |
| 21:43 | -!- | omegatron [~some@0002b4d3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: What happened? You quit!] |
| 21:43 | -!- | totonika [~toto@aftr-37-201-214-52.unity-media.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:43 | -!- | filexx_ [~filexx_@host45-33-231-152.tigobusiness.com.ni] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:43 | -!- | ymusachio [~ymusachio@179.34.28.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 21:43 | -!- | filexx_ [~filexx_@host159-36-231-152.tigobusiness.com.ni] has joined #debian |
| 21:43 | -!- | filexx_ is "filexx_" on #debian |
| 21:45 | -!- | sidmo__ [~sidmo@00026de1.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:47 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 21:48 | -!- | Hackerpcs [~user@hackerpcs.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Hackerpcs] |
| 21:48 | -!- | _Matth_ [~Matth@s203.ALPHA-e18.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 21:49 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has quit [Quit: nahomy] |
| 21:49 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has joined #debian |
| 21:49 | -!- | nahomy is "nahomy" on #debian #osm-diversity |
| 21:49 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 21:49 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 21:51 | -!- | Hackerpcs [~user@hackerpcs.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:51 | -!- | Hackerpcs is "user" on #kali-linux #debian-xfce #debian-ubuntu #debian-nginx #debian-live #debian-desktop #debian #redditprivacy #tor-project #tor |
| 21:55 | -!- | SleePy [~SleePy@00018c73.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by beer] |
| 21:58 | -!- | SleePy [~SleePy@00018c73.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 21:58 | -!- | SleePy is "SleePy" on #linode #debian |
| 21:59 | -!- | thiras [~thiras@24.133.81.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:01 | <quadrat> | is there a way to include more repos when debootstrapping? (i would like to add the security, update and backports repo) |
| 22:03 | <sussudio> | !debootstrap |
| 22:03 | <dpkg> | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap - https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 22:04 | <sarnold> | quadrat: I've heard good things about https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/mmdebstrap/ |
| 22:05 | -!- | banc [~banc@217.151.98.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:07 | -!- | b1ackandwh1te [~b1ackandw@2804:18:5804:527e:e96f:9752:3187:9817] has joined #debian |
| 22:07 | -!- | b1ackandwh1te is "b1ackandwh1te" on #debian |
| 22:07 | <quadrat> | sarnold thanks :) but why not in repos :/ |
| 22:10 | -!- | boistordu is "realname" on #debian-live #debian-nginx #debian-offtopic #debian-qemu #debian-raspberrypi #debian-ubuntu #debian-xfce #dri-devel #gentoo #freenode #gfortran #haskell #hackerspaces #haiku #guardianproject #gstreamer #help #ifupdown-ng #java #kvm #llvm-build #mitmproxy #NetBSD #netdev #oftc #OpenBSD #openjdk #php #postgresql #pulseaudio #python #Qubes_OS #redditprivacy #tor-onions #tor-project #ubuntu #virt #virtualization #voidlinux #wayland #xfs |
| 22:10 | -!- | boistordu [~boistordu@0002bdcc.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 22:11 | -!- | pert [~pert@00029085.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: pert] |
| 22:13 | <b1ackandwh1te> | iv been away for a long time. good to see irc is still up, despite is old tech (with all respect) |
| 22:13 | -!- | krzych [krzych@nroot.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:13 | <dvs> | but the other one has changed drastically |
| 22:16 | -!- | box [~box@162-212-199-97.cpe.safelink.net] has joined #debian |
| 22:16 | -!- | box is "box" on #debian |
| 22:16 | -!- | box is now known as MrBox |
| 22:17 | -!- | boistordu_ex [~boistordu@0002bdcc.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:19 | -!- | MrBox [~box@162-212-199-97.cpe.safelink.net] has quit [] |
| 22:22 | <themill> | quadrat: mmdebstrap is in Debian |
| 22:23 | -!- | banc [~banc@217.151.98.168] has joined #debian |
| 22:23 | -!- | banc is "banc" on #debian |
| 22:23 | <quadrat> | themill oops, thanks, was searching for mmdebootstrap :( |
| 22:23 | <sarnold> | oh! I was only looking for mmdebootstrap, no wonder I couldn't spot it :) heh |
| 22:27 | <mason> | quadrat: If you wanted to stick to core debootstrap, easy enough to do that, and then chroot in for the additions. |
| 22:28 | <mason> | That said, mmdebstrap seems kind of nice, reading about it. |
| 22:29 | <b1ackandwh1te> | you gentleman correct me if necessary. although freenode is a useful cool irc network, ...it is here in OFTC that exists channels where development is taken serious.... i saw it somewhere |
| 22:29 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: s/freenode/libera/ |
| 22:29 | <sney> | b1ackandwh1te: oftc is mostly specific to debian development |
| 22:29 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: There's Debian support on both, but more development on OFTC |
| 22:30 | <sney> | plenty of real projects do serious development on libera, and formerly freenode |
| 22:30 | -!- | __Matth__ [~Matth@s203.ALPHA-e18.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:31 | -!- | secntech [~secntech@0002a124.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 22:31 | -!- | secntech is "tp" on #tor-project #suckless #redditprivacy #Qubes_OS #privacytech #freedombox #debian #cryptoparty |
| 22:35 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I plan for near future do LPIC1 and 2 |
| 22:36 | <b1ackandwh1te> | even that I can do the basics in debian there is always more in front |
| 22:36 | -!- | f10 [~flo@ip5b40863a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:37 | -!- | dr_bot [~dr_bot@000294a2.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 22:37 | -!- | dr_bot is "realname" on #debian |
| 22:37 | -!- | demo [~demo@186.72.248.175] has joined #debian |
| 22:37 | -!- | demo is "realname" on #debian |
| 22:37 | -!- | demo [~demo@186.72.248.175] has quit [] |
| 22:38 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I was other time picking up what to install using synaptic package manager... the list of options is monstruous |
| 22:38 | <sney> | something in between being a newbie, and getting a professional certification: |
| 22:38 | <sney> | !handbook |
| 22:38 | <dpkg> | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 22:40 | <b1ackandwh1te> | there is a long road to I consider myself professional. |
| 22:41 | <sney> | ask yourself what the P in LPIC stands for |
| 22:41 | -!- | nuc_ [~nuc@2001:16b8:a594:8500:330c:9a9e:b0:32a0] has joined #debian |
| 22:41 | -!- | nuc_ is "realname" on #debian |
| 22:43 | <b1ackandwh1te> | might I turn me professional in Debian but not RedHAt, Suse etc? |
| 22:43 | -!- | CeBe [~cebe@2a02:560:4a8d:b200:9125:1408:74a1:a773] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:44 | <sney> | once you understand linux/unix fundamentals, it's easy to apply that to any OS in the family |
| 22:44 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I already know the package managers are different LOL |
| 22:44 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: You're best off learning about all of them. It's a rare environment that doesn't have some of each. |
| 22:44 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:45 | -!- | liquidsnake [~liquidsna@47-219-244-87.jkvlcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined #debian |
| 22:45 | -!- | liquidsnake is "liquidsnake" on #linux #MXLinux #debian #retroshare |
| 22:45 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: My favourite advice used to be getting a copy of the Unix Systems Administration Handbook https://admin.com/ but it's maybe a little long in the tooth. Still well worthwhile to learn quite a bit. |
| 22:45 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 22:45 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 22:45 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has left #debian [Error from remote client] |
| 22:45 | <mason> | One nice thing it'll do is give you the right mode of thinking about systems administration, which is important. |
| 22:47 | -!- | xylo [c55663548b@125.236.225.172] has joined #debian |
| 22:47 | -!- | xylo is "xylo" on #debian |
| 22:48 | -!- | liquidsnake [~liquidsna@00025245.user.oftc.net] has quit [] |
| 22:48 | -!- | nuc [~nuc@2001:16b8:a5c4:7f00:394a:7b52:1bdd:704b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 22:49 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 22:50 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 22:50 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 22:50 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I am very enthusiastic in learn more Linux and be also system administrator (because I am already a programmer). |
| 22:51 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: Maybe find a used copy of that book. You can probably get one for a song on eBay or similar. |
| 22:52 | -!- | CeBe [~cebe@2a02:560:4a93:5200:c9a:3a79:c03:58af] has joined #debian |
| 22:52 | -!- | CeBe is "Carsten Brandt" on #debian |
| 22:53 | <b1ackandwh1te> | mason, if you find the 'pearl' in pdf for www download let me know friend. :) |
| 22:53 | -!- | syli [~syli@113.57.152.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 22:53 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: Dunno, I've only ever looked for it in dead tree form. There are good references online. The Debian Handbook sney linked is good. |
| 22:55 | <b1ackandwh1te> | well. let me enter now in a more 'dark' theme, shall I? |
| 22:56 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I am very moved to secure centric technologies.... |
| 22:57 | <b1ackandwh1te> | people I beg your sincerity to my following question... |
| 22:58 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 982] by debhelper |
| 22:58 | <b1ackandwh1te> | Is there a even smallest possibility of backdoor code in debian? |
| 22:59 | -!- | madez [~madez@ip-176-198-251-181.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: .] |
| 22:59 | <mason> | b1ackandwh1te: Here, read this: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf |
| 23:00 | <sarnold> | b1ackandwh1te: absolutely, there's tens of thousands of packages |
| 23:01 | <sarnold> | b1ackandwh1te: some are huge and under constant churn; some are tiny and haven't changed in decades (okay I'm guessing, here) |
| 23:01 | -!- | krzych [krzych@nroot.pl] has joined #debian |
| 23:01 | -!- | krzych is "krzych" on @#gt @#code @#bsd #debian #devuan #NetBSD #archlinux.org.pl @#gloriosatrinita @#nroot @#nazaret @#bog @#medugorje @#monki #OpenBSD |
| 23:02 | -!- | syli [~syli@113.57.152.160] has joined #debian |
| 23:02 | -!- | syli is "realname" on #debian #security |
| 23:02 | -!- | krzych is now known as Guest962 |
| 23:04 | -!- | madez [~madez@ip-176-198-251-181.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #debian |
| 23:04 | -!- | madez is "madez" on #debian |
| 23:07 | -!- | chuangzh1 [~chuangzhu@27.39.221.241] has joined #debian |
| 23:07 | -!- | chuangzh1 is "Chuang Zhu" on #ustclug #debian |
| 23:07 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I see grate danger nowadays of brillinat kids and young smart asses. because I believe in the spirit of little crimes in the young minds.... |
| 23:08 | <sarnold> | sure, kids will be kids; there's always someone who'll find it more fun to cause havoc than build cool things |
| 23:08 | <b1ackandwh1te> | you know: to break the security for fun.... |
| 23:08 | <sarnold> | but most people are good most of the time, otherwise we'd be living vastly different lives |
| 23:09 | -!- | chuangzhu [~chuangzhu@0002c2e8.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 23:09 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I agree sarnold |
| 23:09 | <sarnold> | but most troublemakers grow up and grow out of it |
| 23:09 | -!- | z2cat [~z2cat@106.80.206.143] has joined #debian |
| 23:09 | -!- | z2cat is "z2cat" on #debian |
| 23:09 | <sarnold> | and quite often, they'll use the experience they gained in their misbegotten youth to inform how they can make the world a better place |
| 23:10 | <sarnold> | not always, of course |
| 23:13 | -!- | Alex1109 [~Alex@119.118.222.118] has joined #debian |
| 23:13 | -!- | Alex1109 is "Alex" on #debian |
| 23:13 | -!- | Alex1109 [~Alex@119.118.222.118] has quit [] |
| 23:14 | -!- | sproutnikus_ [~sproutnik@0BGAACPGG.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian |
| 23:14 | -!- | sproutnikus_ is "realname" on #debian #tor #oftc #fdroid |
| 23:17 | -!- | stylesen_ [~stylesen@59.92.121.216] has joined #debian |
| 23:17 | -!- | stylesen_ is "stylesen" on #debian #debian-india |
| 23:19 | -!- | Linux77 [~kvirc@66-183-233-186.raimax.com.br] has joined #debian |
| 23:19 | -!- | Linux77 is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian-br #cap-cc #debian-next #debian |
| 23:20 | -!- | sproutnikus [~sproutnik@0BGAACPAW.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 23:22 | -!- | dvs [~hibbard@00012127.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 23:23 | -!- | stylesen [~stylesen@59.92.120.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 23:23 | -!- | ilmostro [~ilmostro@fedpad.nebulae.systems] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 23:24 | -!- | ilmostro [~ilmostro@fedpad.nebulae.systems] has joined #debian |
| 23:24 | -!- | ilmostro is "ilmostro" on #debian |
| 23:24 | -!- | zebrag [~inkbottle@00027865.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] |
| 23:25 | <b1ackandwh1te> | to be deeply sincere, I turn myself unconfortable with all security issue. Mainly because the reality of US surveilance agencies invading ANYTHING in name of national security... |
| 23:27 | <sarnold> | meh, I think your larger problems are going to be (a) if you leave ssh password authentication enabled (b) run of the mill coding mistakes |
| 23:29 | <b1ackandwh1te> | do remmina needs ssh server? |
| 23:29 | <sarnold> | what's that? |
| 23:30 | <sarnold> | oh, RDP thing, probably not |
| 23:30 | <sarnold> | same question goes there :) don't use password authentication with that, either |
| 23:30 | <sarnold> | use keys |
| 23:30 | <b1ackandwh1te> | https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remmina |
| 23:32 | <b1ackandwh1te> | sarnold, do you say keys that are stored in usb stick sortof that? |
| 23:34 | <sarnold> | b1ackandwh1te: or in you ~/.ssh/ directory |
| 23:34 | <sarnold> | as youi wish |
| 23:35 | -!- | z2cat [~z2cat@106.80.206.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 23:36 | <b1ackandwh1te> | I apologize to mention windows, but recently I used a software fantastic called USB Raptor, I create with it a usb device to login windows easy as a car key. |
| 23:38 | <sussudio> | would the raptor eat your mouse driver |
| 23:38 | <sarnold> | poor little mouse :( |
| 23:38 | <alex11> | mentioning windows? that's a paddlin'. |
| 23:38 | <sarnold> | hehe |
| 23:39 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 23:39 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has joined #debian |
| 23:39 | -!- | wayne2 is "..." on #debian |
| 23:40 | -!- | A|an [~Alan@173.218.173.25] has joined #debian |
| 23:40 | -!- | A|an is "realname" on #debian |
| 23:42 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:137d:764f:37a8:79bf] has joined #debian |
| 23:42 | -!- | newtons is "newtons" on #debian |
| 23:44 | <b1ackandwh1te> | what I like in the Linux community is the frindship spirit all around. |
| 23:46 | <alex11> | you can say that about any community before discovering the ugliness :P |
| 23:49 | -!- | nahomy [~nahomy@177.222.114.53] has quit [Quit: nahomy] |
| 23:50 | <b1ackandwh1te> | because we are gettng close to the quantum limitation of making smaller and faster cpus, the massification of cores is the present and the future. massive core count. |
| 23:57 | -!- | newtons [~newtons@2a02:120b:2c42:7650:137d:764f:37a8:79bf] has quit [] |
| 23:57 | -!- | wololoer [~user@00022ff6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1] |
| 23:59 | -!- | wayne2 [~wayne@178.162.194.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| --- | Log | closed Fri Jul 16 00:00:04 2021 |